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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 01:18 - Sep 29 with 218246 viewsDr_Parnassus



Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.

The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.

Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.

It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.

People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.

It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.

But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.

Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot.

I will be watching with great interest anyway.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:56 - Nov 4 with 1166 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 17:36 - Nov 4 by Lohengrin

Bad news for Britain if it is.


Bad news for a lot of countries. Especially America.

There is a reason latinos voted in their droves against socialist power. Many have experienced it before and know what a disaster it is.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:58 - Nov 4 with 1165 viewsBoundy

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:51 - Nov 4 by Dr_Parnassus

Well that’s the opposite of democracy if they fundamentally change the system to ensure they stay in power.


Don't you mean either to stay in or to obtain power ?

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:00 - Nov 4 with 1156 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:58 - Nov 4 by Boundy

Don't you mean either to stay in or to obtain power ?


Stay in power.

If the Democrats get in, it is thought they will be packing the court, increasing the number of States (adding Democratic based ones) and lowering the age of voting (favourable demographic for them). In order to remain in power for decades.

That’s not democracy.

Put it this way. If Trump did it, he would be called the biggest fascist in the West and they would burn America to the ground.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:09 - Nov 4 with 1126 viewsGwyn737

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:00 - Nov 4 by Dr_Parnassus

Stay in power.

If the Democrats get in, it is thought they will be packing the court, increasing the number of States (adding Democratic based ones) and lowering the age of voting (favourable demographic for them). In order to remain in power for decades.

That’s not democracy.

Put it this way. If Trump did it, he would be called the biggest fascist in the West and they would burn America to the ground.
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There are some checks and balances for those changes though, aren’t there.

It’s not like declaring winning a state before legally submitted votes are counted, is it?

That leads to the real opposite of democracy...

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:23 - Nov 4 with 1105 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:09 - Nov 4 by Gwyn737

There are some checks and balances for those changes though, aren’t there.

It’s not like declaring winning a state before legally submitted votes are counted, is it?

That leads to the real opposite of democracy...



What checks and balances?

If they have the White House they can add Justices to the Supreme Court (packing the court) increasing the number of justices where 9 have sat for over 100 years to get a Democratic shift in power. Then filtering all changes through that court.

It’s going to be incredibly ironic that democracy has been called fascism for so long, just wait until the actual fascist show up. We may not have long to wait on that front.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:31 - Nov 4 with 1083 viewsGwyn737

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:23 - Nov 4 by Dr_Parnassus

What checks and balances?

If they have the White House they can add Justices to the Supreme Court (packing the court) increasing the number of justices where 9 have sat for over 100 years to get a Democratic shift in power. Then filtering all changes through that court.

It’s going to be incredibly ironic that democracy has been called fascism for so long, just wait until the actual fascist show up. We may not have long to wait on that front.


Democrat power for some of the changes you’ve mentioned is going to be limited by control of the house. Can you really see them forcing through new States in the next 4 years, for example?

You’re also guessing what will happen, there’s nothing to say it will. What we can say is that Trump’s current behaviour is nefarious and as usual, incendiary. Literally it’s led to people trying to stop the count.

I reckon the real winners here could be the Republican Party politicians who don’t really believe in trump. They’re rid of him and can block the democrats from changing much.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:00 - Nov 4 by Dr_Parnassus

Stay in power.

If the Democrats get in, it is thought they will be packing the court, increasing the number of States (adding Democratic based ones) and lowering the age of voting (favourable demographic for them). In order to remain in power for decades.

That’s not democracy.

Put it this way. If Trump did it, he would be called the biggest fascist in the West and they would burn America to the ground.
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I agree with you about changing the goal posts, there should be a set of rules and that is it. The various states should pull together to have a common set of rules, but there’s too many conflicting interests.

I can see why the Democrats would want to pack the Court, their probably still annoyed the Republicans blocked their nomination in February 2016 on the basis there was an election coming, 4 years later with an election less than 2 weeks away they swear in a new Republican judge. To my mind the judiciary should always be independently appointed by their peers.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:34 - Nov 4 with 1080 viewsCatullus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:21 - Nov 4 by Kerouac

Wisconsin has 160,000 more votes than registered voters.

Similar situation in Michigan.


No it has not,

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/04/tweets/no-wisconsin-doesnt-hav

That was fake news on Facebook and Twitter.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:41 - Nov 4 with 1070 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:31 - Nov 4 by Gwyn737

Democrat power for some of the changes you’ve mentioned is going to be limited by control of the house. Can you really see them forcing through new States in the next 4 years, for example?

You’re also guessing what will happen, there’s nothing to say it will. What we can say is that Trump’s current behaviour is nefarious and as usual, incendiary. Literally it’s led to people trying to stop the count.

I reckon the real winners here could be the Republican Party politicians who don’t really believe in trump. They’re rid of him and can block the democrats from changing much.


I absolutely can. Democrats have the house too, that’s the point.

It’s not a guess they have been asked a direct question on this many times and they will not answer. Not answering a question such as that is all the answer you need. Democrats have been open in their wishes to lower the age of voting to 16. As for adding States, I would be willing to bet a vast sum of money that within the next 4-8 years we will get at least one Democrat stronghold state added with its own electoral college number.

Trump for all his personal flaws was/is one of the most successful presidents in modern history. There just is no getting away from that. Look how close this race is, and that is with the MSM, Social Media spending billions on false narratives and bullying people by calling them racist and bigots. They only way they were able to stop him getting a second term was to change the rules to Universal mail in voting.

The people really have spoken and rejected all those nonsense claims. It’s clear it has had an effect though, Trumps numbers are up in almost every racial demographic and gender.... apart from white males. Those that are constantly called racists for supporting him, based on nothing.



America’s celebrity class, ruling class and the nation as a whole needs to take a step back and realise they are not at all in tune with the people.... at all.

As for Trump, I absolutely see where he is coming from and you should too. He was cruising the election, they decide to stop. They find huge batches of Biden only ballots. The rules were changed in these Democrat states that this could happen (no signature required and no time stamp).

I always said this mail in ballot was a horrific idea and it’s proving so, as there is little trust in it. Especially when batches are found in the dead of night that are 100% for one candidate. It may be legitimate but it sounds horrific doesn’t it.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:48 - Nov 4 with 1054 viewsGwyn737

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:41 - Nov 4 by Dr_Parnassus

I absolutely can. Democrats have the house too, that’s the point.

It’s not a guess they have been asked a direct question on this many times and they will not answer. Not answering a question such as that is all the answer you need. Democrats have been open in their wishes to lower the age of voting to 16. As for adding States, I would be willing to bet a vast sum of money that within the next 4-8 years we will get at least one Democrat stronghold state added with its own electoral college number.

Trump for all his personal flaws was/is one of the most successful presidents in modern history. There just is no getting away from that. Look how close this race is, and that is with the MSM, Social Media spending billions on false narratives and bullying people by calling them racist and bigots. They only way they were able to stop him getting a second term was to change the rules to Universal mail in voting.

The people really have spoken and rejected all those nonsense claims. It’s clear it has had an effect though, Trumps numbers are up in almost every racial demographic and gender.... apart from white males. Those that are constantly called racists for supporting him, based on nothing.



America’s celebrity class, ruling class and the nation as a whole needs to take a step back and realise they are not at all in tune with the people.... at all.

As for Trump, I absolutely see where he is coming from and you should too. He was cruising the election, they decide to stop. They find huge batches of Biden only ballots. The rules were changed in these Democrat states that this could happen (no signature required and no time stamp).

I always said this mail in ballot was a horrific idea and it’s proving so, as there is little trust in it. Especially when batches are found in the dead of night that are 100% for one candidate. It may be legitimate but it sounds horrific doesn’t it.
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Ironically, it has been a successful election for him (apart from probably losing, but you know what I mean).

He can’t get away from his personality, and that what’s done for him. I hope things will be a lot calmer with him back on the golf course.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:56 - Nov 4 with 1038 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:48 - Nov 4 by Gwyn737

Ironically, it has been a successful election for him (apart from probably losing, but you know what I mean).

He can’t get away from his personality, and that what’s done for him. I hope things will be a lot calmer with him back on the golf course.


I can only hope he runs in 2024. I don’t think another candidate would have a chance at beating a sitting Democrat with all that they do to ensure power.

I don’t think any President, certainly in modern history, has had such incredible and passionate support. He is the embodiment of the fight against what a lot of people hate about modern society, the suppression of ideas, the cancel culture, the fake media, the woke disease sweeping the West, the hating of your country, identify politics, social bullying and suppression of thought - he embodies the opposite of all of that and people absolutely resonate with it.

I don’t think another political candidate will get such support.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:59 - Nov 4 with 1031 viewsDJack

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 07:42 - Nov 4 by Dr_Parnassus

No he doesn’t. This is a prime example of this fake nonsense that is spread.

Firstly Biden is not winning, he’s a fair way behind.

Trump wants to stop voting not stop counting. The voting deadline has passed. But people can still send off their votes even now and get them counted, which is something that obviously can’t happen.

What Trump is legitimately worried about is that no “extra” votes turn up from here on in that have been cast after the deadline as he is so far ahead there is clearly a motive there to “add” votes that previously weren’t there.


Nope!

Hhe is trying to stop counting so that the votes not yet delivered by the hamstrung postal service (his appointee and donor) don't get counted and is using a false narrative to achieve it.

There is at least one state that allows ballots, postmarked on election day, to be received up to and including the 10th of this month. other states have 3 and five days to receive the ballot stamped on election day.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:06 - Nov 4 with 1019 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:59 - Nov 4 by DJack

Nope!

Hhe is trying to stop counting so that the votes not yet delivered by the hamstrung postal service (his appointee and donor) don't get counted and is using a false narrative to achieve it.

There is at least one state that allows ballots, postmarked on election day, to be received up to and including the 10th of this month. other states have 3 and five days to receive the ballot stamped on election day.


So yes then. Thanks for agreeing.

I do enjoy the left that claim to disagree and then... agree.

No postal service has been hamstrung, that’s a lie. They weren’t given extra funding to partake in what is a needless and untrustworthy process.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:11 - Nov 4 with 1010 viewsDJack

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 12:29 - Nov 4 by Kerouac

Talking of people who don't know their arse from their elbow...
People like you, the mass media, and the polls were predicting a Biden landslide though weren't you.


We have had announcements that X amount of votes remained to be counted, followed by another announcement a couple of hours later that X amount of votes + 400,000 extra remained to be counted.
This is fraud.
There is nothing they won't stoop to.


Nope!

I didn't predict anything.

What some others postulated was a "Blue Wave", not a landslide. In our next GE labour could have a "Red wave" they still wont overturn an 80 seat majority.

Your claim of fraud is rubbish as legitimate votes come in for a few days after the election (7 days for one state I read this week)

Could you explain how it would be possible to steal a landslide victory(for Trump) by harvesting votes without it attracting the attention of the press and the authorities? In one of the highest ever turnouts in history from a landslide to neck and neck is a couple of millions votes "harvested" - I genuinely would like to know how that is possible.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:11 - Nov 4 with 1010 viewsDr_Parnassus

The media narrative is underway.

People burn down a city - “peaceful protesters”

People stand calmly and quietly while observing the counting - “an increasing mob-like scene”



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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:18 - Nov 4 with 997 viewsDJack

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:34 - Nov 4 by chad

Now now DJ no need to be abusive, have the confidence to let your reasoning do the talking if you are able.

As for no sane person predicted, I think K has pointed out the massive irony of taking that position.


Nope. There was no landslide predicted for either side.

I also pointed out:
Some States DO NOT attempt to start counting them until election day.

Ballots received after polling day but within the allotted time are separated in case there is legal action.

Usually Democrats are a high percentage of the mail ballots.

And as you are here with your cheer leader pom-poms ,would you like to suggest how a few million votes were harvested without being noticed to take away a Trump landslide victory. As I told K I'm genuinely interested as to how you might think it possible.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:20 - Nov 4 with 988 viewsDJack

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 17:36 - Nov 4 by Lohengrin

Bad news for Britain if it is.


Sad news for the WORLD if it's Trump. Rules based order is the best and Trump ignores rules and negotiated treaties if it suits him.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:23 - Nov 4 with 982 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:18 - Nov 4 by DJack

Nope. There was no landslide predicted for either side.

I also pointed out:
Some States DO NOT attempt to start counting them until election day.

Ballots received after polling day but within the allotted time are separated in case there is legal action.

Usually Democrats are a high percentage of the mail ballots.

And as you are here with your cheer leader pom-poms ,would you like to suggest how a few million votes were harvested without being noticed to take away a Trump landslide victory. As I told K I'm genuinely interested as to how you might think it possible.


What do you mean there was no predicted landslide?

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:24 - Nov 4 with 976 viewsDJack

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 17:54 - Nov 4 by Boundy



Good spot Boundy, I had seen that but forgot about it.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:30 - Nov 4 with 963 viewsDJack

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:51 - Nov 4 by Dr_Parnassus

Well that’s the opposite of democracy if they fundamentally change the system to ensure they stay in power.


Or if you set up illegal ballot boxes... or if you shop around judges to get your previously rejected case (to reject a mass of votes) heard by a sympathetic judge etc... which sides pulls stunts like that I wonder?

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:33 - Nov 4 with 957 viewsFireboy2

No matter who wins I think everyone who has posted links to suit their narrative need to watch sacha baron cohens speech on social medias 6 giants

He is spot on and the sooner they are scaled back the better for everyone.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:35 - Nov 4 with 954 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:30 - Nov 4 by DJack

Or if you set up illegal ballot boxes... or if you shop around judges to get your previously rejected case (to reject a mass of votes) heard by a sympathetic judge etc... which sides pulls stunts like that I wonder?


Side? Do you have any proof of who has set up any illegal ballot boxes? Wouldn’t mind seeing those culprits.

But I’m glad you agree packing the courts, changing the number of states and lowering the age in an attempt to remain in power is not Democracy.

See, we can get along.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:36 - Nov 4 with 952 viewsDJack

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:09 - Nov 4 by Gwyn737

There are some checks and balances for those changes though, aren’t there.

It’s not like declaring winning a state before legally submitted votes are counted, is it?

That leads to the real opposite of democracy...



Trump and his appointees have undermined the checks and balences. A few of his other appointees are not legal but have avoided scrutiny as they were called "temporary" and the Republicans had no spine.

Barr is supposed to be apolitical but he carries out Trumps demands - that in itself is an impeachable offence and as this election was likely to go either way possibly why Barr did not haul in the Bidens as he knew that he would be up to his 'Arris in FBI and Justice Department for breaking the rules (if Biden is elected).

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:36 - Nov 4 with 952 viewsDJack

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 18:47 - Nov 4 by majorraglan

There’s a post on the other site about a judge in Texas issuing an order for a sweep of a USPS depot in Houston, from the brief look I had it seems that mail bags containing several hundred thousand votes weren’t delivered to accounting station.

Edit- rumours of unspent ballots in North Carolina as well. I don’t think 300,000 thousand would make a difference in Texas, but it may be different in NC.

It’s an absolute shambles.
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"In a stunning Election Day action, the U.S. Postal Service rejected a federal judge’s order to carry out a special sweep of mail facilities to hunt for more than 300,000 ballots that somehow went missing.

“U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan … had given the mail agency until 3:30 p.m. [ET, Tuesday] to conduct the ‘all clear’ checks to ensure that any found ballots could be delivered before polls closed,” reported the Washington Post."

https://www.newsandguts.com/wapo-postal-service-says-no-to-judge-who-ordered-hun

As i've remarked beforeThe US postal service is run by a Trump donor and is the first Postmaster General to come from without the service.

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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:37 - Nov 4 with 952 viewsDr_Parnassus

🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:33 - Nov 4 by Fireboy2

No matter who wins I think everyone who has posted links to suit their narrative need to watch sacha baron cohens speech on social medias 6 giants

He is spot on and the sooner they are scaled back the better for everyone.


Sascha is a moron and one of the worst culprits of using social media to suit his political agenda. Even pushing doctored clips he created.

But yes, social media is a disease. Been saying it for a decade. I do not have any social media apart from Twitter as it amuses me.
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