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Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.
The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.
Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.
It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.
People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.
It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.
But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.
Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot.
I will be watching with great interest anyway.
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Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Some good news as we near the end of the Trump Presidency...He proved HL Mencken correct
“As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and a complete narcissistic moron.”
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:25 - Nov 5 with 1108 views
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:26 - Nov 6 by Groo
he said, she said, someone saw, votes appear from thin air.
Sad he can't take defeat with honour.
You don't think some of these things are odd? Or are you just saying that because you don't like Trump?
I am going to go out on a limb here, if this was the other way around... I don't think there would be a car not on fire in America today.
Regardless of who wins and who loses, this mail in ballot nonsense is not democracy. I said that long before any vote. There is no trust in it, no faith in it.. and for valid reasons.
[Post edited 6 Nov 2020 0:32]
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They knew that the majority of those who requested postal votes were by registered Democrats.
They knew that the the majority of the republican votes was going to be registered on the day as walk in voters.
The States all have thier own rules, some States allow the postal votes received to be counted before the day of the vote, some States have a rule that no vote can be counted until the day.
Those States that don't allow prioritise the walk in votes on the day, therefore again the Republicans votes would be higher first.
The States remaining are those that don't allow counting prior to the day and being as the majority of postal vote requests were from registered Democrats the Democrat vote is rising.
Some of the States allow postal votes that have a post mark from the day of the election, so some are still coming in.
All his claims have been unsubstantiated, hearsay. The legal claims he have made have been all thrown out, except one where the observers can stand closer to the counters.
Why can't he gracefully accept he's losing the election.
Groo does what Groo does best
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:37 - Nov 6 with 1042 views
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:29 - Nov 6 by Dr_Parnassus
You don't think some of these things are odd? Or are you just saying that because you don't like Trump?
I am going to go out on a limb here, if this was the other way around... I don't think there would be a car not on fire in America today.
Regardless of who wins and who loses, this mail in ballot nonsense is not democracy. I said that long before any vote. There is no trust in it, no faith in it.. and for valid reasons.
[Post edited 6 Nov 2020 0:32]
and yet historically mail in voting has never been seen as being the source of major fraud.
The only reason there is more this year is the fact that there is a Pandemic.
edit: Oh and there are no votes appearing from thin air.
[Post edited 6 Nov 2020 0:39]
Groo does what Groo does best
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:57 - Nov 6 with 1022 views
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:37 - Nov 6 by Groo
and yet historically mail in voting has never been seen as being the source of major fraud.
The only reason there is more this year is the fact that there is a Pandemic.
edit: Oh and there are no votes appearing from thin air.
[Post edited 6 Nov 2020 0:39]
Absentee voting and universal mail in voting isn’t the same thing.
Absentee voting is what we previously had where a person requests a ballot with valid ID and sends it off after being received.
This isn’t that. Universal mail in ballots are ballots being sent out to everyone, even those that haven’t requested one. Dead people have been sent ballots (and sent their votes off from the after life it seems) as well as heaps of ballots to people that no longer live at the address.
You didn’t answer my question. Do you honestly not see anything odd here? Be honest.
[Post edited 6 Nov 2020 1:12]
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:59 - Nov 6 by Dr_Parnassus
Absentee voting and universal mail in voting isn’t the same thing.
Absentee voting is what we previously had where a person requests a ballot with valid ID and sends it off after being received.
This isn’t that. Universal mail in ballots are ballots being sent out to everyone, even those that haven’t requested one. Dead people have been sent ballots (and sent their votes off from the after life it seems) as well as heaps of ballots to people that no longer live at the address.
You didn’t answer my question. Do you honestly not see anything odd here? Be honest.
[Post edited 6 Nov 2020 1:12]
So they only sent to dead democrats?
No, I don't see anything odd. The different States have different rules and they are following them.
The funny thing is PA tried to change their rule to count the postal votes early, it the local republicans that stopped them.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:18 - Nov 6 with 997 views
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:13 - Nov 6 by Groo
So they only sent to dead democrats?
No, I don't see anything odd. The different States have different rules and they are following them.
The funny thing is PA tried to change their rule to count the postal votes early, it the local republicans that stopped them.
You don’t see dead people who died decades ago being able to vote as odd?
Voter fraud is something to be done via mail in balloting. Mail in balloting is done largely in democratic states by democrats.
This is a bloke with 300 empty ballots in his car on behalf of Ilhan Omar, the Democrat Minneapolis leader.
If you don’t see anything off with Universal mail in voting I can only assume that’s your bias talking. Couldn’t be more clear if it jumped out of the screen and slapped your face with a Biden hat.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:21 - Nov 6 by Dr_Parnassus
Show up in person with the ability to prove that you are entitled to vote. Cast your vote. Count the votes watched by representatives of both parties.
Those that need special dispensation (Armed forces, disabled) can apply for an absentee ballot with correct identification.
Easy hey?
Yet the democrats have fought many (all) of these processes, and still are fighting them. Ask yourself why.
Judge denies Trump campaign bid to stop count in Philadelphia By Jon Swaine
A federal judge denied a request by President Trump’s campaign to stop the vote count in Philadelphia on Thursday evening, instead brokering a deal for dozens of observers from each party to watch the process.
Judge Paul S. Diamond said that the Republican and Democratic parties should each be allowed 60 representatives to observe ballots being counted by election workers.
“I don’t understand entirely why this couldn’t have been agreed to absent judicial intervention,” Diamond said, after sharply criticizing the president’s legal team throughout the hearing.
The Trump campaign had asked Diamond to issue an emergency injunction to bar officials “from continuing to count any ballots,” alleging that all Republican observers were being illegally blocked from watching the count.
But an attorney for Trump’s campaign conceded during the hearing that they in fact had “a nonzero number of people in the room,” leaving Diamond audibly exasperated.
Diamond remarked at one point that “the whole thing is going to be moot” because counting in the state would likely soon be complete.
Lawyers for Philadelphia denied that Republicans were being barred from the count, but said that one GOP representative was removed after refusing to abide by social distancing rules aimed at preventing the spread of the coronavirus.
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:23 - Nov 6 by DJack
Judge denies Trump campaign bid to stop count in Philadelphia By Jon Swaine
A federal judge denied a request by President Trump’s campaign to stop the vote count in Philadelphia on Thursday evening, instead brokering a deal for dozens of observers from each party to watch the process.
Judge Paul S. Diamond said that the Republican and Democratic parties should each be allowed 60 representatives to observe ballots being counted by election workers.
“I don’t understand entirely why this couldn’t have been agreed to absent judicial intervention,” Diamond said, after sharply criticizing the president’s legal team throughout the hearing.
The Trump campaign had asked Diamond to issue an emergency injunction to bar officials “from continuing to count any ballots,” alleging that all Republican observers were being illegally blocked from watching the count.
But an attorney for Trump’s campaign conceded during the hearing that they in fact had “a nonzero number of people in the room,” leaving Diamond audibly exasperated.
Diamond remarked at one point that “the whole thing is going to be moot” because counting in the state would likely soon be complete.
Lawyers for Philadelphia denied that Republicans were being barred from the count, but said that one GOP representative was removed after refusing to abide by social distancing rules aimed at preventing the spread of the coronavirus.
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:56 - Nov 6 by Groo
There is a P A N D E M I C.
Democratic Advice: Don't put yourself at risk, post your vote.
Republican (Trump) advive: Its a hoax, don't worry, go and vote, you don't need a mask.
One side looks to protect people, one side don't give a fig.
Guess what, more democrats posted their vote.
In case you didn't get that, there is a P A N D E M I C.
We are well aware of that, which is why masks and social distancing is in place.
You sound irrational as opposed to looking at this objectively. I have made that point several times now that those that sympathise with the Democrats tend to be emotional rather than logical.
As I said, we aren't talking about genuine absentee mail in ballots - we are talking about Universal mail in ballots where dead people are voting. I just showed you a video of one person having 300+ votes in his car. If you can't see the difference here then I am not entirely sure what to say, I can't help you further.
[Post edited 6 Nov 2020 2:14]
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:03 - Nov 6 by Dr_Parnassus
We are well aware of that, which is why masks and social distancing is in place.
You sound irrational as opposed to looking at this objectively. I have made that point several times now that those that sympathise with the Democrats tend to be emotional rather than logical.
As I said, we aren't talking about genuine absentee mail in ballots - we are talking about Universal mail in ballots where dead people are voting. I just showed you a video of one person having 300+ votes in his car. If you can't see the difference here then I am not entirely sure what to say, I can't help you further.
[Post edited 6 Nov 2020 2:14]
So you are saying:
1. Only dead democrats received universal mail in votes. 2. Only democrat relatives of dead democrats abused the system 3. Enough dead democrats voted to make Biden the winner
To defraud the system on such a level would mean that millions of dead democrats voted.
I'm sorry your desperately clutching at straws.
A bit like Trump.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:22 - Nov 6 with 955 views
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:17 - Nov 6 by Groo
So you are saying:
1. Only dead democrats received universal mail in votes. 2. Only democrat relatives of dead democrats abused the system 3. Enough dead democrats voted to make Biden the winner
To defraud the system on such a level would mean that millions of dead democrats voted.
I'm sorry your desperately clutching at straws.
A bit like Trump.
This has been explained to you already, you are either not reading or intentionally not wanting to understand.
1. Universal main in voting is in Democrat states, any dead people sent votes will in all likelihood will fall in democrat hands. If I dropped a fiver in Swansea, whats the chances that a Swansea fan would pick it up over a Cardiff one? Cardiff fans can pick things up too right?
2. see above
3. It isn't just dead Democrats. Its democrat vote harvesters working on behalf of democratic run states people, such as Ilhan Omar. There is also people that have received votes (and voted) that no longer live in the state. 10,000 is the latest figure bandied about in Nevada alone and they are nowhere near finished checking.
I am not just talking about dead people, I am talking about Universal mail in voting. I cant keep repeating this for you. I have just shown you dead people voting, the post man giving someone ballots that aren't theirs just because they asked for them and vote hoarding where immigrants and the elderly are having votes taken from them or bought off them.
If you think that represents a solid and reliable democratic process then you crack on. But you sound irrational. The proof is above if you ever get round to taking a look as I can only imagine you haven't.
It isn't Republicans trying to stop people observing the process (as legally required), or removing the need for time and date stamps or signature matching (when it isn't even their place to make those decisions)... ask yourself why.
Even if you somehow make the case that voter fraud is being done by both equally (even though that's extremely unlikely its anywhere close to equal)... all the more reason to agree that this Universal mail in process is not a democratic one. Which is my point and has been for months.. right?
Let me know what you come up with.
[Post edited 6 Nov 2020 2:45]
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Again it looks like you are posting things you don't understand.
1) The Brennan Center 2) It's 3 years old and not based on Universal mail in voting, which is the point 3) Voter fraud count is based on votes they have FOUND to be fraudulent, not actual fraudulent votes.
Happy to help.
[Post edited 6 Nov 2020 3:02]
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It's all in plain sight.. stats are irrelevant now.
But IMO, there has been big time fraud here..even if the dems weren't cheating, by their suspicious actions they made most people think hold on!! That's a bit suspect..
Edit: Just to add, anyone the media dislike, I like.. :)
[Post edited 6 Nov 2020 3:13]
libera nos a malo
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:08 - Nov 6 with 922 views
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:06 - Nov 6 by Jack123
It's all in plain sight.. stats are irrelevant now.
But IMO, there has been big time fraud here..even if the dems weren't cheating, by their suspicious actions they made most people think hold on!! That's a bit suspect..
Edit: Just to add, anyone the media dislike, I like.. :)
[Post edited 6 Nov 2020 3:13]
DJacks Google search function has been battered this month, I can see it smoking from here
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