| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 01:18 - Sep 29 with 224252 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.
The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.
Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.
It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.
People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.
It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.
But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.
Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot. 
I will be watching with great interest anyway.
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:30 - Nov 4 with 1293 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:17 - Nov 4 by Kerouac |
I can't quite believe what I'm seeing, but it appears that the Democrats are openly attempting to commit election fraud....mysteriously hundreds of thousands of votes get added to the remaining total to count at the 11th hour and these ballots contain an insanely high percentage of Democrat votes?
To quote 'sleepy'; "C'mon man!"
After this election the system needs cleaning up once and for good, votes should be in person and ID should be mandatory. If somebody is to ill to go vote themselves they should have to name somebody who will bring their ballot on the day and have this person ratified as legitimate in good time.
No votes submitted after the cut off point on polling day should be counted.
I genuinely think the result would already be a landslide Trump victory if it wasn't for all the cheating that went on already (harvesting votes).
It appears they planned to see how many extra votes they would need to come up with near the end of the count and then magically pull hundreds of thousands of ballots out of their arse. |
Trump 2024 it is then
Never seen anything like this. Regardless of result (which now looks to be Bidens if you ask me) this Universal mail in ballot process needs to be done away with and shouldn’t have been allowed this year as I said many times on this thread. There is a reason it has never been the way... it raises too many questions.
The thoughts are if the Democrats do get into power, they are so radical they will try and stay there forever. Packing the court, lowering the age of voting and increasing the number of States. They are desperate to get in for this reason.
Sits very uneasy with me. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:37 - Nov 4 with 1280 views | Highjack |
It is bizarre that Pennsylvania vote counters packed up and went to bed at 1:30 am. You’d think they’d have teams around the clock to get it all counted ASAP. As for vote rigging, if it were that easy I imagine the republicans would be doing it too. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:59 - Nov 4 with 1262 views | DJack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:17 - Nov 4 by Kerouac |
I can't quite believe what I'm seeing, but it appears that the Democrats are openly attempting to commit election fraud....mysteriously hundreds of thousands of votes get added to the remaining total to count at the 11th hour and these ballots contain an insanely high percentage of Democrat votes?
To quote 'sleepy'; "C'mon man!"
After this election the system needs cleaning up once and for good, votes should be in person and ID should be mandatory. If somebody is to ill to go vote themselves they should have to name somebody who will bring their ballot on the day and have this person ratified as legitimate in good time.
No votes submitted after the cut off point on polling day should be counted.
I genuinely think the result would already be a landslide Trump victory if it wasn't for all the cheating that went on already (harvesting votes).
It appears they planned to see how many extra votes they would need to come up with near the end of the count and then magically pull hundreds of thousands of ballots out of their arse. |
You don't know your arse from your elbow.
All the way through States have mentioned how many mail ballots they have. Some States DO NOT attempt to start counting them until election day. Ballots received after polling day but within the allotted time are separated in case there is legal action. Usually Democrats are a high percentage of the mail ballots. No sane person predicted a Trump landslide...except you apparently. Even funnier you think this landslide has been stolen by harvesting votes...the numbers required would be huge and any harvesting campaign of that size would be noticed. Stay off the crack. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 12:29 - Nov 4 with 1238 views | Kerouac |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:59 - Nov 4 by DJack |
You don't know your arse from your elbow.
All the way through States have mentioned how many mail ballots they have. Some States DO NOT attempt to start counting them until election day. Ballots received after polling day but within the allotted time are separated in case there is legal action. Usually Democrats are a high percentage of the mail ballots. No sane person predicted a Trump landslide...except you apparently. Even funnier you think this landslide has been stolen by harvesting votes...the numbers required would be huge and any harvesting campaign of that size would be noticed. Stay off the crack. |
Talking of people who don't know their arse from their elbow...
People like you, the mass media, and the polls were predicting a Biden landslide though weren't you.
We have had announcements that X amount of votes remained to be counted, followed by another announcement a couple of hours later that X amount of votes + 400,000 extra remained to be counted.
This is fraud.
There is nothing they won't stoop to. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 12:43 - Nov 4 with 1221 views | Dr_Parnassus |
I think there is an amount of fraud, we have seen that with the vote hoarding on behalf of Ilhan Omar, so we know it goes on - and of course it favours the Democrat party because it’s largely them that mail in ballot. But I don’t think it would be able to be done on this scale so I’m not crying foul.
My point is that this form of voting raises the question and it was always going to unless it was a landslide. Especially in this manner. So this cannot happen any longer, as I said, there is a reason this is not the normal way.
Got to take it on the chin. Kamala wins by a whisker.
Hope Kamala isn’t as radical as I suspect she is and destroys democracy in the States by packing the court etc. let the people have their fair say in 4 more years instead of stealing re-election by changing the process to suit again.
On to 2024. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 12:46 - Nov 4 with 1220 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:37 - Nov 4 by Highjack |
It is bizarre that Pennsylvania vote counters packed up and went to bed at 1:30 am. You’d think they’d have teams around the clock to get it all counted ASAP. As for vote rigging, if it were that easy I imagine the republicans would be doing it too. |
Surely you can work it out.
The polling ballots and polling booths and poll counting is controlled by the Democrats in Democrat held states.
The Republicans already have won the Republican controlled states.
For the Republicans to win the Democrat controlled states they have to overcome any fraud that the Democrats perpetrate.
The Democrat states also own the courts that allowed the change in rules to not have to match signatures or use time stamps, so mail in ballots can come from anybody, anywhere at any time up to 9 days after the polls have closed.
It allows for multiple voting, false voting and even the dead to apparently vote.
But by waiting until after the main count it can be tailored to harvest the required amount of votes to win.
Why do you think the Democrats have been saying all along for Biden to wait until "every single vote has been counted".
Which Pelosi started saying about a month ago. [Post edited 4 Nov 2020 13:18]
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:10 - Nov 4 with 1192 views | Dr_Parnassus |
As a last gasp clutch at a straw before I hit the hay.
The only path I see now, and it’s an outside bet as Michigan and Wisconsin are as good as gone...
Trump holds on to Georgia and North Carolina (fairly likely)
Wins Pennsylvania (a fair chance)
Flips Nevada (unlikely but currently close)
Good luck orange fella.
Over and out. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:14 - Nov 4 with 1186 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 12:43 - Nov 4 by Dr_Parnassus |
I think there is an amount of fraud, we have seen that with the vote hoarding on behalf of Ilhan Omar, so we know it goes on - and of course it favours the Democrat party because it’s largely them that mail in ballot. But I don’t think it would be able to be done on this scale so I’m not crying foul.
My point is that this form of voting raises the question and it was always going to unless it was a landslide. Especially in this manner. So this cannot happen any longer, as I said, there is a reason this is not the normal way.
Got to take it on the chin. Kamala wins by a whisker.
Hope Kamala isn’t as radical as I suspect she is and destroys democracy in the States by packing the court etc. let the people have their fair say in 4 more years instead of stealing re-election by changing the process to suit again.
On to 2024. |
It's an absolute omnishamables on so many fronts. Whoever wins out (and I'm still not sure who it'll be), there's no healing of current wounds.
It's the first time I've really followed the U.S. election and there are some things I'm stunned by. The EC where systems are state party controlled are ripe for bias at best and abuse at worst.
My hunch is there's mischief afoot on both sides, but not enough to impact hugely on the result either way. There's got no be some 'netting off' from either side.
Surely there has to be a better way than this. Certainly next time I walk into a church hall with no queue, knowing I just put an X in a boxto register my vote, I'll remind myself how much simpler it is. | | | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:34 - Nov 4 with 1159 views | chad |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:59 - Nov 4 by DJack |
You don't know your arse from your elbow.
All the way through States have mentioned how many mail ballots they have. Some States DO NOT attempt to start counting them until election day. Ballots received after polling day but within the allotted time are separated in case there is legal action. Usually Democrats are a high percentage of the mail ballots. No sane person predicted a Trump landslide...except you apparently. Even funnier you think this landslide has been stolen by harvesting votes...the numbers required would be huge and any harvesting campaign of that size would be noticed. Stay off the crack. |
Now now DJ no need to be abusive, have the confidence to let your reasoning do the talking if you are able.
As for no sane person predicted, I think K has pointed out the massive irony of taking that position. |  | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:41 - Nov 4 with 1153 views | Highjack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 12:46 - Nov 4 by A_Fans_Dad |
Surely you can work it out.
The polling ballots and polling booths and poll counting is controlled by the Democrats in Democrat held states.
The Republicans already have won the Republican controlled states.
For the Republicans to win the Democrat controlled states they have to overcome any fraud that the Democrats perpetrate.
The Democrat states also own the courts that allowed the change in rules to not have to match signatures or use time stamps, so mail in ballots can come from anybody, anywhere at any time up to 9 days after the polls have closed.
It allows for multiple voting, false voting and even the dead to apparently vote.
But by waiting until after the main count it can be tailored to harvest the required amount of votes to win.
Why do you think the Democrats have been saying all along for Biden to wait until "every single vote has been counted".
Which Pelosi started saying about a month ago. [Post edited 4 Nov 2020 13:18]
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Well logically the question follows that if the Democrats are all doing this in democratic controlled areas how do we know the republicans aren’t also doing it in republican controlled areas? This sort of thing would take collusion on a massive scale, potentially thousands of people who would go to prison if caught. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:49 - Nov 4 with 1142 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:41 - Nov 4 by Highjack |
Well logically the question follows that if the Democrats are all doing this in democratic controlled areas how do we know the republicans aren’t also doing it in republican controlled areas? This sort of thing would take collusion on a massive scale, potentially thousands of people who would go to prison if caught. |
Because the Republicans did NOT call for their supporters to mail in their votes or mail them in early. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:52 - Nov 4 with 1137 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:41 - Nov 4 by Highjack |
Well logically the question follows that if the Democrats are all doing this in democratic controlled areas how do we know the republicans aren’t also doing it in republican controlled areas? This sort of thing would take collusion on a massive scale, potentially thousands of people who would go to prison if caught. |
Because instead of engaging in postal voting they choose to try and stop the system at source, through messing about with delivery capacity and ballot post boxes.
Fault on both sides I reckon. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:54 - Nov 4 with 1137 views | Highjack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:49 - Nov 4 by A_Fans_Dad |
Because the Republicans did NOT call for their supporters to mail in their votes or mail them in early. |
But that doesn’t matter if they have a big pile of fake ballots to whip out as and when they need them. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:01 - Nov 4 with 1126 views | Groo |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:41 - Nov 4 by Highjack |
Well logically the question follows that if the Democrats are all doing this in democratic controlled areas how do we know the republicans aren’t also doing it in republican controlled areas? This sort of thing would take collusion on a massive scale, potentially thousands of people who would go to prison if caught. |
Exactly what I thought and have thought for weeks.
Ballot fraud is about and overall in a very small scale.
If someone has voted and voted in time, using the valid formats available, then their vote should count, no matter if its for or against someone else's preference. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:04 - Nov 4 with 1119 views | Highjack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 13:52 - Nov 4 by Gwyn737 |
Because instead of engaging in postal voting they choose to try and stop the system at source, through messing about with delivery capacity and ballot post boxes.
Fault on both sides I reckon. |
I’m not convinced. In every counting station you have officials from all sides, legal people, independent observers. To pull something like that off you need a very efficient operation and a lot of people need to stay quiet. I’ve no doubt that a few fake votes would slip through the net but we’re talking hundreds of thousands here.
I’m afraid if Biden wins it’s the people have spoken, suck it up snowflake. AFLI etc. Everyone’s just acting like the worst sort of remoaner otherwise. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:09 - Nov 4 with 1103 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:04 - Nov 4 by Highjack |
I’m not convinced. In every counting station you have officials from all sides, legal people, independent observers. To pull something like that off you need a very efficient operation and a lot of people need to stay quiet. I’ve no doubt that a few fake votes would slip through the net but we’re talking hundreds of thousands here.
I’m afraid if Biden wins it’s the people have spoken, suck it up snowflake. AFLI etc. Everyone’s just acting like the worst sort of remoaner otherwise. |
As I said before, I don't think there's a massive impact on either side and certainly no advantage that would impact the result.
I see Michigan has tipped to Biden so we may not have to wait weeks. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:14 - Nov 4 with 1098 views | Kerouac |
This is what we know.
The polls were a pile of shite and grossly overestimated Biden's vote share.
In many swing states, take Florida for example, Trump's vote is larger as a share of the vote than the last election. Massively up in some places.
Yet we are asked to believe that in swing states controlled by Democrats, where Trump is ahead, there are many people who wished to vote Democrat who left it to polling day to post their vote.
Somebody in charge of vote counting in Pennsylvania was just on CNN, he admitted Trump was in front by a distance...he then said that they would be counting votes for days yet as they "can't count what we don't have" (so votes that were apparently posted yesterday)....if that state ends up going for the Democrats we are talking about hundreds of thousands of people who voted Democrat, by post, on election day...
"C'mon man!"
This is going to go on for months. There is no way the Republicans should accept a Biden victory without all of those late postal votes checked thoroughly. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:27 - Nov 4 with 1083 views | Groo |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:14 - Nov 4 by Kerouac |
This is what we know.
The polls were a pile of shite and grossly overestimated Biden's vote share.
In many swing states, take Florida for example, Trump's vote is larger as a share of the vote than the last election. Massively up in some places.
Yet we are asked to believe that in swing states controlled by Democrats, where Trump is ahead, there are many people who wished to vote Democrat who left it to polling day to post their vote.
Somebody in charge of vote counting in Pennsylvania was just on CNN, he admitted Trump was in front by a distance...he then said that they would be counting votes for days yet as they "can't count what we don't have" (so votes that were apparently posted yesterday)....if that state ends up going for the Democrats we are talking about hundreds of thousands of people who voted Democrat, by post, on election day...
"C'mon man!"
This is going to go on for months. There is no way the Republicans should accept a Biden victory without all of those late postal votes checked thoroughly. |
Current Pennsylvania
CANDIDATE VOTES PCT.
Donald Trump*(R) 3,016,119 54.75%
Joe Biden(D) 2,427,686 44.07%
Jo Jorgensen(LIB) 64,724 1.17%
* Incumbent
64% of votes counted, so 36% left to count, thats just over 3 million votes. So yes it could swing democrat if the postal votes are 2 to 1 in favour of democrats. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:33 - Nov 4 with 1078 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:27 - Nov 4 by Groo |
Current Pennsylvania
CANDIDATE VOTES PCT.
Donald Trump*(R) 3,016,119 54.75%
Joe Biden(D) 2,427,686 44.07%
Jo Jorgensen(LIB) 64,724 1.17%
* Incumbent
64% of votes counted, so 36% left to count, thats just over 3 million votes. So yes it could swing democrat if the postal votes are 2 to 1 in favour of democrats. |
...and if my maths is right, Biden could win NV, WI and MI to hit 270 and PA wouldn't matter. | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:54 - Nov 4 with 1057 views | ItchySphincter |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:30 - Nov 4 by Dr_Parnassus |
Trump 2024 it is then
Never seen anything like this. Regardless of result (which now looks to be Bidens if you ask me) this Universal mail in ballot process needs to be done away with and shouldn’t have been allowed this year as I said many times on this thread. There is a reason it has never been the way... it raises too many questions.
The thoughts are if the Democrats do get into power, they are so radical they will try and stay there forever. Packing the court, lowering the age of voting and increasing the number of States. They are desperate to get in for this reason.
Sits very uneasy with me. |
That’s democracy for you. |  |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:58 - Nov 4 with 1051 views | onehunglow |
We are seeing the precursor of massive civil insurrection.
Just as well their borders are closed.
This will get very ugly.
Time to pray all you southern men in white coats | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:07 - Nov 4 with 1040 views | Kerouac |
WISCONSIN
136,000 votes came in for Biden at 5am.
0 for Trump in the same batch.
This is fraud. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:10 - Nov 4 with 1034 views | Gwyn737 |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:07 - Nov 4 by Kerouac |
WISCONSIN
136,000 votes came in for Biden at 5am.
0 for Trump in the same batch.
This is fraud. |
How'd they manage that? | | | |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:21 - Nov 4 with 1019 views | Kerouac |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:10 - Nov 4 by Gwyn737 |
How'd they manage that? |
Wisconsin has 160,000 more votes than registered voters.
Similar situation in Michigan. | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:32 - Nov 4 with 1006 views | Highjack |
| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 15:21 - Nov 4 by Kerouac |
Wisconsin has 160,000 more votes than registered voters.
Similar situation in Michigan. |
If that’s true then I could get on board with this fraud stuff. | |
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