| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? 10:08 - Feb 13 with 39350 views | Parlay |
For me, we have simply been dining out on our first 3 games all season, which tricked a lot of people into thinking we are actually playing well.
Some startling facts....
We got MORE than 25% of our season points in those first 3 games alone.
In the rest of them we have barely been getting over a point a game - and that was with Bony in the side for the majority of the time.
We will be heavy underdogs in the next 3 of 4 games and I dont see a win coming in any of them.
If this slide isnt addressed soon, we may not have the luxury of hitting the ground running next term and then we are in a whole world of trouble if the performances remain at this level. We will barely hit 38 points.
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:03 - Feb 13 with 1007 views | NeathJack |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 18:56 - Feb 13 by Parlay |
Nobody has suggested taking them out.
But the points tally we have is quite significantly weighted towards a period of time that doesn't really suit us anymore. We play differently and have different personnel in key positions. So my question was, are people looking at the table and seeing a points tally rather than performances on the pitch.
But thanks for a reply that is on topic. One of a handful in nearly 10 pages. [Post edited 13 Feb 2015 18:57]
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Have the performances of late been good? No, not particularly. But it is always going to be a case of ups and downs during a season, especially for a club of our size and stature in this league.
We started very well and at a rate and with performance levels that, over a season for Swansea City, are not realistically sustainable. However, as I said, if decisions had been made correctly by referee's there is little denying that the points total would likely be enhanced by the amount I stated.
If that had been the case then this discussion would probably not be taking place.
I believe the reaction to the recent poor run of form has been way over the top as these runs are inevitable. |  | | |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:03 - Feb 13 with 1007 views | Parlay |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:01 - Feb 13 by skippyjack |
In order to get into certain realms.. you've got to be on the same level.. so I'm not on your 'level'. |
So you cant explain any of the things you accused me of being then?
Thats all you had to say and we could have all filed your post under "unsubstantiated waffle" without having to go through this charade. | |
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:06 - Feb 13 with 994 views | sixpenses |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 18:53 - Feb 13 by NeathJack |
In answer to the OP, of course if you take out 3 wins in a row then for any club in mid table it is going to make the rest of the points tally look ordinary.
The season has to be judged as a whole, not with sections missing.
As to the points tally, if we had been on the end of correct refereeing decisions throughout the season rather than the run of appalling ones we encountered then we would quite conceivably be sitting with 6-10 points more than we have now. |
As we would have finished 8th in our 2nd season if the good goal that was actually in the back of the net at brom had not been disallowed.
This is not sections missing though is it it is performance over the last 5 1/2 months
Strange you never raised this point when people were analysing the last few months of Laudrup's first season and even concatenating it with the start of the unrelated season that followed |  | | |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:07 - Feb 13 with 989 views | Parlay |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:03 - Feb 13 by NeathJack |
Have the performances of late been good? No, not particularly. But it is always going to be a case of ups and downs during a season, especially for a club of our size and stature in this league.
We started very well and at a rate and with performance levels that, over a season for Swansea City, are not realistically sustainable. However, as I said, if decisions had been made correctly by referee's there is little denying that the points total would likely be enhanced by the amount I stated.
If that had been the case then this discussion would probably not be taking place.
I believe the reaction to the recent poor run of form has been way over the top as these runs are inevitable. |
Do you think this is just a normal down, in an up and down sequence then?
This seems to be our worst period in terms of performances, chances created, goals scored than I can remember since we got here. It doesn't seem to be performance related in terms of form, it seems like its philosophy and tactically related. We aren't playing to our strengths.
Usually when you are in a trough you sort of say "well keep doing what we are doing and we will start to win soon" but it doesnt feel that way. For me of we keep doing what we are doing then we are only ever going to get negative overall results.
I take your point about ref decisions, but that still doesnt excuse poor performances and a disassociation of what seemed to be our fundamentals for over a decade. | |
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:13 - Feb 13 with 978 views | NeathJack |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:07 - Feb 13 by Parlay |
Do you think this is just a normal down, in an up and down sequence then?
This seems to be our worst period in terms of performances, chances created, goals scored than I can remember since we got here. It doesn't seem to be performance related in terms of form, it seems like its philosophy and tactically related. We aren't playing to our strengths.
Usually when you are in a trough you sort of say "well keep doing what we are doing and we will start to win soon" but it doesnt feel that way. For me of we keep doing what we are doing then we are only ever going to get negative overall results.
I take your point about ref decisions, but that still doesnt excuse poor performances and a disassociation of what seemed to be our fundamentals for over a decade. |
Yes I do think it's just a normal down in an up and down sequence. One that has been influenced hugely by the loss of Bony, Ki, Montero, Routledge and Gylfi for extended (and Bony now permanently) over the period in question.
A team of our standing cannot expect to lose 4-5 key players such as those for extended periods, pretty much all at the same time, and continue to pick up points and perform as they did previously.
But that's just my opinion based on what I see as the reality of the situation. | | | |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:13 - Feb 13 with 975 views | dgt73 |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 15:08 - Feb 13 by ScoobyWho |
Surely DGT should reply to this allegation ? |
Allegations by parlay....PMSL. The guy is a charlatan. |  |
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:16 - Feb 13 with 970 views | skippyjack |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:03 - Feb 13 by Parlay |
So you cant explain any of the things you accused me of being then?
Thats all you had to say and we could have all filed your post under "unsubstantiated waffle" without having to go through this charade. |
Yes I can.. is the effort and actual time worth it.. what do I gain?.. I know where it will go.. just like the Jonjo Shelvey thread.. it'll go into stupid debate.. |  |
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:16 - Feb 13 with 969 views | Parlay |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:13 - Feb 13 by dgt73 |
Allegations by parlay....PMSL. The guy is a charlatan. |
So you didnt agree giving to£200 (as it turned out in the end) to charity, if i proved you lying then?
Can you confirm that for everybody please nice and clearly? [Post edited 13 Feb 2015 19:18]
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:18 - Feb 13 with 959 views | Parlay |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:16 - Feb 13 by skippyjack |
Yes I can.. is the effort and actual time worth it.. what do I gain?.. I know where it will go.. just like the Jonjo Shelvey thread.. it'll go into stupid debate.. |
So you cant then. | |
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:19 - Feb 13 with 957 views | skippyjack |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:18 - Feb 13 by Parlay |
So you cant then. |
Won't.. not can't. | |
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:20 - Feb 13 with 945 views | Parlay |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:19 - Feb 13 by skippyjack |
Won't.. not can't. |
But that is can't in reality.
If you cant back up your claims then they are meaningless. | |
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:21 - Feb 13 with 943 views | Darran |
Fair play Skippys running rings around Parlay here. |  |
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:23 - Feb 13 with 930 views | dgt73 |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:21 - Feb 13 by Darran |
Fair play Skippys running rings around Parlay here. |
That's not hard, let's be honest. | |
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:23 - Feb 13 with 928 views | perchrockjack |
Skip ,though as mad as me, seems ok and in no way slow
Bruce | |
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:23 - Feb 13 with 908 views | jacksfullaces |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 18:53 - Feb 13 by NeathJack |
In answer to the OP, of course if you take out 3 wins in a row then for any club in mid table it is going to make the rest of the points tally look ordinary.
The season has to be judged as a whole, not with sections missing.
As to the points tally, if we had been on the end of correct refereeing decisions throughout the season rather than the run of appalling ones we encountered then we would quite conceivably be sitting with 6-10 points more than we have now. |
which was the popular theme before xmas - that in fact we were deprived of being in the top 4 by dodgy refereeing
and now the popular theme is we are lucky to be where we are (and if we take the first 3 games out of the equation should be lower mid table)
what will be the next knee jerk agenda I wonder? | | | |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:23 - Feb 13 with 905 views | Parlay |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:21 - Feb 13 by Darran |
Fair play Skippys running rings around Parlay here. |
Oh that one again. So soon?  | |
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:25 - Feb 13 with 897 views | Parlay |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:23 - Feb 13 by dgt73 |
That's not hard, let's be honest. |
So did you deny promising to pay the charity when i caught you lying?
We all missed that | |
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:25 - Feb 13 with 896 views | Darran |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:23 - Feb 13 by dgt73 |
That's not hard, let's be honest. |
SkewenJack probably disagrees. | |
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:26 - Feb 13 with 886 views | skippyjack |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:20 - Feb 13 by Parlay |
But that is can't in reality.
If you cant back up your claims then they are meaningless. |
Is this a form of peer pressure?
Parlay reality doesn't come across your mind.. you're an obsessive in satisfaction of need.. you need to satisfy yourself.. I don't.. I can jump from level to level without the need to be satisfied with myself.. you'll get it one day Parlay. | |
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:26 - Feb 13 with 885 views | Parlay |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:25 - Feb 13 by Darran |
SkewenJack probably disagrees. |
And jackfath. | |
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:27 - Feb 13 with 882 views | dgt73 |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:25 - Feb 13 by Parlay |
So did you deny promising to pay the charity when i caught you lying?
We all missed that |
But you didn't catch me lying did you........why are you talking to yourself on here.? | |
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:27 - Feb 13 with 876 views | sixpenses |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:13 - Feb 13 by NeathJack |
Yes I do think it's just a normal down in an up and down sequence. One that has been influenced hugely by the loss of Bony, Ki, Montero, Routledge and Gylfi for extended (and Bony now permanently) over the period in question.
A team of our standing cannot expect to lose 4-5 key players such as those for extended periods, pretty much all at the same time, and continue to pick up points and perform as they did previously.
But that's just my opinion based on what I see as the reality of the situation. |
Was that your opinion with the far greater injuries over a more protracted period under Laudrup because the detractors seem to think that should have made no difference at all.
Apparently he was just losing interest when he had so many games so close together that he had no time to lose interest and I imagine he would have appreciated a bit of support from the senior players that were happy to revel in the cup glory he brought to us yet could not wait to stab him in the back. | | | |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:28 - Feb 13 with 872 views | Parlay |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:26 - Feb 13 by skippyjack |
Is this a form of peer pressure?
Parlay reality doesn't come across your mind.. you're an obsessive in satisfaction of need.. you need to satisfy yourself.. I don't.. I can jump from level to level without the need to be satisfied with myself.. you'll get it one day Parlay. |
Yes you keep putting all these things to me Skip, a different thing in every passing post.
Can can call me Osama Bin laden too - but unless you can back it up then it is unsubstantiated rubbish. | |
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| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:28 - Feb 13 with 871 views | Darran |
| Has our start hoodwinked a lot of people? on 19:27 - Feb 13 by sixpenses |
Was that your opinion with the far greater injuries over a more protracted period under Laudrup because the detractors seem to think that should have made no difference at all.
Apparently he was just losing interest when he had so many games so close together that he had no time to lose interest and I imagine he would have appreciated a bit of support from the senior players that were happy to revel in the cup glory he brought to us yet could not wait to stab him in the back. |
What senior players? | |
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