| Woolwich (non QPR) 17:48 - May 22 with 21214 views | simmo |
Readng the reports coming through, shocking stuff. It was a soldier apparently. I know 3 or 4 guys based at the Woolwich barracks but thankfully most went to Kenya last week.
Cut off a man's head next to primary school allegedly. In the middle of a weekday afternoon...
'One witness, identified as James, said he and his partner saw two black men attack a young man aged around 20 in a Help for Heroes T-shirt with kitchen knives like he was "a piece of meat".
He told LBC Radio: "They were hacking at this poor guy, literally.
"They were hacking at him, chopping him, cutting him.
"These two guys were crazed. They were just animals. They dragged him from the pavement and dumped his body in the middle of the road and left his body there."
He said that after the "horrendous" attack, the two men, in their 20s, just stood around, waving knives and a gun, even asking people nearby to take pictures of them "as if they wanted to be on TV or something".
He continued: "They were oblivious to anything, they were more worried about having their photo taken, running up and down the road.
"They had no intention of running off or leaving or anything. In my opinion, they were waiting for the police to arrive to be shot by the police. That's the only thing I can think. It's horrendous what they were doing to that guy."
Some "brave" women tried to shield the man on the ground from them, he added.
He also said that it was 20 minutes before armed police arrived at the scene.
"When the armed police came flying around the corner, the man with the beanie hat, the tall guy, he charged at the police vehicle.
"A shot was fired by the other guy with the gun. Six shots were fired, both men went down and we now know they are dead as well."'
http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/10436107.Police_called_to_Woolwich__shooting__
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 11:31 - May 23 with 1394 views | hoopstilidie |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 11:17 - May 23 by Juzzie |
oh dear....
Having waited until I got home and watched the news, the guy with the bobble hat seemed remarkably calm to me, didn't look like somone on drugs. Don't know if that makes it better or worse what he did, probably worse.
His accent seemed more London than African.
Lots of people saying why didn't the Police kill them. Well, corpses can't talk so I suspect the shooting was deliberate to inacpacitate them rather than kill them.
RIP to the victim. Poor bloke. |
Not killing them was dumb really.
They had no idea that these guys weren't bomb-vest wearing bait.
The fact they waited for the authorities to arrive should have made the decision to terminate a foregone conclusion.
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 11:36 - May 23 with 1380 views | Aunt_Nelly |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 11:17 - May 23 by Juzzie |
oh dear....
Having waited until I got home and watched the news, the guy with the bobble hat seemed remarkably calm to me, didn't look like somone on drugs. Don't know if that makes it better or worse what he did, probably worse.
His accent seemed more London than African.
Lots of people saying why didn't the Police kill them. Well, corpses can't talk so I suspect the shooting was deliberate to inacpacitate them rather than kill them.
RIP to the victim. Poor bloke. |
"Lots of people saying why didn't the Police kill them. Well, corpses can't talk so I suspect the shooting was deliberate to inacpacitate them rather than kill them."
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Or just dodgy marksmen.
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 11:40 - May 23 with 1350 views | hoopstilidie |
It's all very sad and the words from these 2 hideous vermin will do nothing but inflame more hate and more hurt, they don't represent the massive majority of Islam any more than the KKK represent the massive majority of Christianity.
It's not a religious issue, nor a political one to be fair, it's a desperately vile act perpetrated by individuals hijacking a religious ideal to excuse their actions. Label them for what they are, murderers, nothing more nor less. RIP. | |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 11:45 - May 23 with 1324 views | Snipper |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 07:38 - May 23 by Hayesender |
No mush, why don't you get your head out of your arse and Fck off.
Every fcking day all I see and hear is Muslims.
Muslim child grooming gangs, Muslim terrorists, Muslims up in arms over non halal food found in school dinners.
Why the Fck is halal food being served to our children anyway? Fcking barbaric.
I am sick and tired of hearing about fcking Muslims.
I never hear a peep from Hindus, from Sikhs, from Buddhists etc.
Why is it always Muslims? |
Well said mate. Spot on.
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| Woolwich (non QPR) (n/t) on 11:51 - May 23 with 1304 views | simmo |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 11:40 - May 23 by hoopstilidie |
It's all very sad and the words from these 2 hideous vermin will do nothing but inflame more hate and more hurt, they don't represent the massive majority of Islam any more than the KKK represent the massive majority of Christianity.
It's not a religious issue, nor a political one to be fair, it's a desperately vile act perpetrated by individuals hijacking a religious ideal to excuse their actions. Label them for what they are, murderers, nothing more nor less. RIP. |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 11:55 - May 23 with 1287 views | QPR1882 |
I found this worrying
A new report issued by a leading UK university estimates that there are 863,000 people living illegally in the UK out of which 604,000 (70%) live in London.
The report, Practical Measures for Reducing Irregular Migration was written by researchers at the London School of Economics. Its findings are accepted by the UK government. The report says that it believes that the main countries from which illegal residents have come are India, Nigeria, Pakistan, China and Bangladesh.
In December 2012, the UK's Office for National Statistics (ONS) released figures which showed that 13% of the UK's population was born outside the UK. |  | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 12:17 - May 23 with 1249 views | Juzzie |
In one sentance, the guy with the hat says;
"In our lands our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your governments, they don't care about you."
In another he then says "So get rid of them. Tell them to bring our troops back so you can all live in peace".
Note use of the word 'our'. So, which is he, African or English?
The developments will be interesting.
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 12:17 - May 23 with 1248 views | QPR_John |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 11:40 - May 23 by hoopstilidie |
It's all very sad and the words from these 2 hideous vermin will do nothing but inflame more hate and more hurt, they don't represent the massive majority of Islam any more than the KKK represent the massive majority of Christianity.
It's not a religious issue, nor a political one to be fair, it's a desperately vile act perpetrated by individuals hijacking a religious ideal to excuse their actions. Label them for what they are, murderers, nothing more nor less. RIP. |
Simple to do and maybe the right reaction, the problem is had it been reversed simply calling it a murder would be the last thing on many peoples minds. Until this imbalanced has been addressed nothing will be solved. |  | | |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 12:21 - May 23 with 1229 views | stevec |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 11:40 - May 23 by hoopstilidie |
It's all very sad and the words from these 2 hideous vermin will do nothing but inflame more hate and more hurt, they don't represent the massive majority of Islam any more than the KKK represent the massive majority of Christianity.
It's not a religious issue, nor a political one to be fair, it's a desperately vile act perpetrated by individuals hijacking a religious ideal to excuse their actions. Label them for what they are, murderers, nothing more nor less. RIP. |
Most Germans weren't Nazis, but look what happened.
Dismissing an ideology, be it political or religious, is a dangerous game. |  | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 12:31 - May 23 with 1196 views | TheBlob |
Since Islam is severely fragmented there is always the possibility of a Sunni - Shia dispute.No such thing as "The Muslims" much like "The Arabs". |  |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 12:39 - May 23 with 1164 views | WatfordR |
Surprised that there has been so little comment on the screening of video footage all over the news programmes last night. It seemed to me that the various channels could hardly rattle through their news headlines quickly enough to show the footage.
Think it's an appalling lack of judgment and decency on behalf of the broadcasting agencies tbh, showing no thought or respect for the murdered man's family and friends. I also think that the perpetrators should in any case have been starved of any of the publicity that they fairly clearly craved.
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 12:43 - May 23 with 1146 views | simmo |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 23:42 - May 22 by calders |
And now the edl have taken to the streets, about 150 of them threw a few bottles around, jumped up and down in front of the police and are now going home, what a fukcing bunch of retards. just embarrassing. |
Made me laugh that the murderers (one of which has been named btw) were quoted as stating 'we want to start a riot in London tonight' and along come the EDL to oblige them.
They probably think irony is what your t-shirt looks like with no creases in it. | |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 12:46 - May 23 with 1133 views | MkPaul |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 12:43 - May 23 by simmo |
Made me laugh that the murderers (one of which has been named btw) were quoted as stating 'we want to start a riot in London tonight' and along come the EDL to oblige them.
They probably think irony is what your t-shirt looks like with no creases in it. |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 12:47 - May 23 with 1129 views | WatfordR |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 12:17 - May 23 by Juzzie |
In one sentance, the guy with the hat says;
"In our lands our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your governments, they don't care about you."
In another he then says "So get rid of them. Tell them to bring our troops back so you can all live in peace".
Note use of the word 'our'. So, which is he, African or English?
The developments will be interesting.
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A few people touched on this in posts on this thread, but there is the possibility that these guys may just have been drug addled nutters. Someone has already mentioned that they are apparently well known in the area as drug dealers.
To me, there appeared to be something not quite "sane" about their behaviour, whether they are British born, African born, Muslim, Christian or whatever. Let's just wait and see what transpires. | | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 12:53 - May 23 with 1111 views | ingeminate |
The horrific actions of two men do not reflect Islam as a whole.
What needs to happen to curb extremist behaviour is for money/resources to be ploughed in to understanding what the most effective ways are of stopping grooming by far right Muslim groups and then action be taken to make sure we make every effort to stop tragedies like yesterday from happening.
There is no point trying to fight back or intimidate would be terrorists in to not committing further atrocities through taking over streets/areas and chanting EDL etc, it will only create more. The ones yesterday waited to be arrested, others have blown themselves up. They have a cause they believe it is worth dying for, you don’t defeat that with protests, balaclavas, stronger immigration policies or angry on-line rants on a football forum.
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 13:03 - May 23 with 1082 views | simmo |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 12:46 - May 23 by MkPaul |
It's was one hell of a riot geeez |
Well luckily it wasnt, although I am hearng that they are reorganising a much bigger return this Sunday. | |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 13:05 - May 23 with 1071 views | Juzzie |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 12:39 - May 23 by WatfordR |
Surprised that there has been so little comment on the screening of video footage all over the news programmes last night. It seemed to me that the various channels could hardly rattle through their news headlines quickly enough to show the footage.
Think it's an appalling lack of judgment and decency on behalf of the broadcasting agencies tbh, showing no thought or respect for the murdered man's family and friends. I also think that the perpetrators should in any case have been starved of any of the publicity that they fairly clearly craved.
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Absolutely. Though these people (whatever 'cause' they represent) know we live in a media obsessed world and they can play right into the medias hands.
When Richard Reid (the shoe bomber) was being sentanced, the Judge said;
"In a very real sense Trooper Santigo had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and where the TV crews were and he said you're no big deal. You're no big deal."
We need to stop giving these people the attention they crave. It's like people who wum/troll on the internet. Ignore them and they'll go away.
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 13:09 - May 23 with 1054 views | Snipper |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 12:47 - May 23 by WatfordR |
A few people touched on this in posts on this thread, but there is the possibility that these guys may just have been drug addled nutters. Someone has already mentioned that they are apparently well known in the area as drug dealers.
To me, there appeared to be something not quite "sane" about their behaviour, whether they are British born, African born, Muslim, Christian or whatever. Let's just wait and see what transpires. |
Well it's been confirmed that they were known to the security services.
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 13:13 - May 23 with 1037 views | TheBlob |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 13:05 - May 23 by Juzzie |
Absolutely. Though these people (whatever 'cause' they represent) know we live in a media obsessed world and they can play right into the medias hands.
When Richard Reid (the shoe bomber) was being sentanced, the Judge said;
"In a very real sense Trooper Santigo had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and where the TV crews were and he said you're no big deal. You're no big deal."
We need to stop giving these people the attention they crave. It's like people who wum/troll on the internet. Ignore them and they'll go away.
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Bit difficult to ignore this one Juzzie.Blood running down the roads of London as opposed some loon with a dodgy shoe
But if you put it into perspective,how we've forgotten that poor woman who was decapitated on holiday in Spain recently....would it all have died down so quickly had the murderer shouted something about Allah?
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 13:15 - May 23 with 1030 views | QPR_John |
"Also tarring all Muslims with the same brush is like equating all Christians to the Westboro Baptist Church "
Say it long and loud enough and it becomes the perceived reality that is what many want. There has been very few posts tarring all Muslims with the same brush but if that is what you want to believe then go ahead it helps nobody
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 13:15 - May 23 with 1027 views | HollowayRanger |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 11:17 - May 23 by Juzzie |
oh dear....
Having waited until I got home and watched the news, the guy with the bobble hat seemed remarkably calm to me, didn't look like somone on drugs. Don't know if that makes it better or worse what he did, probably worse.
His accent seemed more London than African.
Lots of people saying why didn't the Police kill them. Well, corpses can't talk so I suspect the shooting was deliberate to inacpacitate them rather than kill them.
RIP to the victim. Poor bloke. |
Lots of people saying why didn't the Police kill them. Well, corpses can't talk so I suspect the shooting was deliberate to inacpacitate them rather than kill them.
and corpses dont get their day in court to spread their vile message of hate it will cost us tax payers untold millions in hospital treatment lawyers appeals prison and god knows what else
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 13:17 - May 23 with 1018 views | kensalriser |
Yes, Holloway, I definitely agree with the death penalty for suicide bombers. |  |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 13:20 - May 23 with 1000 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 13:13 - May 23 by TheBlob |
Bit difficult to ignore this one Juzzie.Blood running down the roads of London as opposed some loon with a dodgy shoe
But if you put it into perspective,how we've forgotten that poor woman who was decapitated on holiday in Spain recently....would it all have died down so quickly had the murderer shouted something about Allah?
Or that nutter in Bexleyheath? |
Interesting point.
It would be a lot less high-profile if the poor victim hadn't been a member of the armed forces. Which is why, to make a presumption, they didn't kill a quantity surveyor such as me. To date, they've got the reaction they wanted - anger, fear and hatred have ratcheted up quite a few notches. It's hard for it not to, human nature being what it is, even if British citizens know that that is exactly what they wanted, and even if the citizens know that this is counter-productive. A spiral of hatred is as desired by them as it is useless and dangerous to the rest of us.
But I have faith in humanity and I am sure that calm and steely resolve will come next. It usually does.
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 13:23 - May 23 with 989 views | Juzzie |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 13:13 - May 23 by TheBlob |
Bit difficult to ignore this one Juzzie.Blood running down the roads of London as opposed some loon with a dodgy shoe
But if you put it into perspective,how we've forgotten that poor woman who was decapitated on holiday in Spain recently....would it all have died down so quickly had the murderer shouted something about Allah?
Or that nutter in Bexleyheath? |
Todays news is tomorrows fish & chip wrapping.
Of course it's difficult with this one being so close to home but the two guys clearly wanted as much exposure as possible and they're getting it. This will lead to more people doing the same to publicise their 'cause'.
Maybe we need to take a stance, however difficult, and ignore these. Don't give them any publicity or exposure and they won't go around doing this atrocities. Hopefully.
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