| Woolwich (non QPR) 17:48 - May 22 with 21166 views | simmo |
Readng the reports coming through, shocking stuff. It was a soldier apparently. I know 3 or 4 guys based at the Woolwich barracks but thankfully most went to Kenya last week.
Cut off a man's head next to primary school allegedly. In the middle of a weekday afternoon...
'One witness, identified as James, said he and his partner saw two black men attack a young man aged around 20 in a Help for Heroes T-shirt with kitchen knives like he was "a piece of meat".
He told LBC Radio: "They were hacking at this poor guy, literally.
"They were hacking at him, chopping him, cutting him.
"These two guys were crazed. They were just animals. They dragged him from the pavement and dumped his body in the middle of the road and left his body there."
He said that after the "horrendous" attack, the two men, in their 20s, just stood around, waving knives and a gun, even asking people nearby to take pictures of them "as if they wanted to be on TV or something".
He continued: "They were oblivious to anything, they were more worried about having their photo taken, running up and down the road.
"They had no intention of running off or leaving or anything. In my opinion, they were waiting for the police to arrive to be shot by the police. That's the only thing I can think. It's horrendous what they were doing to that guy."
Some "brave" women tried to shield the man on the ground from them, he added.
He also said that it was 20 minutes before armed police arrived at the scene.
"When the armed police came flying around the corner, the man with the beanie hat, the tall guy, he charged at the police vehicle.
"A shot was fired by the other guy with the gun. Six shots were fired, both men went down and we now know they are dead as well."'
http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/10436107.Police_called_to_Woolwich__shooting__
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:06 - May 23 with 1267 views | Gloucs_R |
Here we go, the left wing response.....wait for it, no blame on muslims....just blame the EDL!
Unite Against Fascism statement on Woolwich murder
Unite Against Fascism sends its condolences to the family and friends of the soldier murdered yesterday in Woolwich. There can be no justification for such a terrible attack on an individual.
But we must recognise that fascist organisations such as the English Defence League and British National Party are trying to use the murder to whip up racism and direct hatred against all Muslims.
EDL thugs attempted to start a race riot in Woolwich last night. Mosques have been attacked by racist thugs. These fascists and racists should be condemned and opposed. We must not give a quarter to those who would judge an entire religion, race or nationality by the actions of a few.
We do not hold Norwegian Christians responsible for the actions of the fascist Anders Breivik, whose 2011 rampage left 77 dead. We do not hold white people collectively responsible for Timothy McVeigh, the US neo-Nazi whose 1995 Oklahoma City bomb killed 168 people, or for David Copeland, the former BNP member who planted bombs across London in 1999. Nor should anyone suggest that Britain’s Muslims are collectively responsible for yesterday’s attack.
The fascist organisations that are trying to stir up trouble and racist violence in the wake of the Woolwich killing do not care about the dead soldier, his family or the interests of any community. They want only to see Muslims attacked and a race war on our streets. UAF condemns them and opposes their attempts to call “demonstrations” to exploit these issues.
UAF also calls on the media and politicians to stop using inflammatory language that feeds the fascists and racists. We must challenge Islamophobia wherever it raises its head. We must reject those who want to divide our communities and set them against each other, and stand fast to the ideals of anti-racism, multiculturalism and respect for all. |  |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:10 - May 23 with 1259 views | MkPaul |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:06 - May 23 by Gloucs_R |
Here we go, the left wing response.....wait for it, no blame on muslims....just blame the EDL!
Unite Against Fascism statement on Woolwich murder
Unite Against Fascism sends its condolences to the family and friends of the soldier murdered yesterday in Woolwich. There can be no justification for such a terrible attack on an individual.
But we must recognise that fascist organisations such as the English Defence League and British National Party are trying to use the murder to whip up racism and direct hatred against all Muslims.
EDL thugs attempted to start a race riot in Woolwich last night. Mosques have been attacked by racist thugs. These fascists and racists should be condemned and opposed. We must not give a quarter to those who would judge an entire religion, race or nationality by the actions of a few.
We do not hold Norwegian Christians responsible for the actions of the fascist Anders Breivik, whose 2011 rampage left 77 dead. We do not hold white people collectively responsible for Timothy McVeigh, the US neo-Nazi whose 1995 Oklahoma City bomb killed 168 people, or for David Copeland, the former BNP member who planted bombs across London in 1999. Nor should anyone suggest that Britain’s Muslims are collectively responsible for yesterday’s attack.
The fascist organisations that are trying to stir up trouble and racist violence in the wake of the Woolwich killing do not care about the dead soldier, his family or the interests of any community. They want only to see Muslims attacked and a race war on our streets. UAF condemns them and opposes their attempts to call “demonstrations” to exploit these issues.
UAF also calls on the media and politicians to stop using inflammatory language that feeds the fascists and racists. We must challenge Islamophobia wherever it raises its head. We must reject those who want to divide our communities and set them against each other, and stand fast to the ideals of anti-racism, multiculturalism and respect for all. |
Was always gonna happen the mad left spouting their nonsense, a 21 line statement and only 2 lines about the soldier and the rest just nonsense.
Probably the same nutters who wanted to dance on MT's grave |  | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:18 - May 23 with 1247 views | Westy75 |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:06 - May 23 by Gloucs_R |
Here we go, the left wing response.....wait for it, no blame on muslims....just blame the EDL!
Unite Against Fascism statement on Woolwich murder
Unite Against Fascism sends its condolences to the family and friends of the soldier murdered yesterday in Woolwich. There can be no justification for such a terrible attack on an individual.
But we must recognise that fascist organisations such as the English Defence League and British National Party are trying to use the murder to whip up racism and direct hatred against all Muslims.
EDL thugs attempted to start a race riot in Woolwich last night. Mosques have been attacked by racist thugs. These fascists and racists should be condemned and opposed. We must not give a quarter to those who would judge an entire religion, race or nationality by the actions of a few.
We do not hold Norwegian Christians responsible for the actions of the fascist Anders Breivik, whose 2011 rampage left 77 dead. We do not hold white people collectively responsible for Timothy McVeigh, the US neo-Nazi whose 1995 Oklahoma City bomb killed 168 people, or for David Copeland, the former BNP member who planted bombs across London in 1999. Nor should anyone suggest that Britain’s Muslims are collectively responsible for yesterday’s attack.
The fascist organisations that are trying to stir up trouble and racist violence in the wake of the Woolwich killing do not care about the dead soldier, his family or the interests of any community. They want only to see Muslims attacked and a race war on our streets. UAF condemns them and opposes their attempts to call “demonstrations” to exploit these issues.
UAF also calls on the media and politicians to stop using inflammatory language that feeds the fascists and racists. We must challenge Islamophobia wherever it raises its head. We must reject those who want to divide our communities and set them against each other, and stand fast to the ideals of anti-racism, multiculturalism and respect for all. |
Fair point about Breivik though, isn't it.
To be fair to them, that is what they're there for: standing up against fascists, and the EDL are indeed fascists (who disgracefully and predictably used the horrific death of a soldier to further their own sh*tty agenda) so i don't think you can blame them for putting this out.
I thought the Stop the War Coalition's statement wasn't the best though. You do get the feeling a bit with them that they almost welcome terrorist events, however random, as it offers a stick to beat the government with over Iraq. They may be right in many cases but they just seem a bit too eager to link the two.
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:25 - May 23 with 1231 views | Gloucs_R |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:18 - May 23 by Westy75 |
Fair point about Breivik though, isn't it.
To be fair to them, that is what they're there for: standing up against fascists, and the EDL are indeed fascists (who disgracefully and predictably used the horrific death of a soldier to further their own sh*tty agenda) so i don't think you can blame them for putting this out.
I thought the Stop the War Coalition's statement wasn't the best though. You do get the feeling a bit with them that they almost welcome terrorist events, however random, as it offers a stick to beat the government with over Iraq. They may be right in many cases but they just seem a bit too eager to link the two.
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:40 - May 23 with 1202 views | Westy75 |
Not really mate, I just don't see the sense in reacting in precisely the way that the extremists want you to react. You're being played by them. They want a showdown, a violent reaction. To me it serves absolutely no purpose at all. Let the security services do their job.
What you would do to address the problem?
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:41 - May 23 with 1198 views | QPR_John |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:06 - May 23 by Gloucs_R |
Here we go, the left wing response.....wait for it, no blame on muslims....just blame the EDL!
Unite Against Fascism statement on Woolwich murder
Unite Against Fascism sends its condolences to the family and friends of the soldier murdered yesterday in Woolwich. There can be no justification for such a terrible attack on an individual.
But we must recognise that fascist organisations such as the English Defence League and British National Party are trying to use the murder to whip up racism and direct hatred against all Muslims.
EDL thugs attempted to start a race riot in Woolwich last night. Mosques have been attacked by racist thugs. These fascists and racists should be condemned and opposed. We must not give a quarter to those who would judge an entire religion, race or nationality by the actions of a few.
We do not hold Norwegian Christians responsible for the actions of the fascist Anders Breivik, whose 2011 rampage left 77 dead. We do not hold white people collectively responsible for Timothy McVeigh, the US neo-Nazi whose 1995 Oklahoma City bomb killed 168 people, or for David Copeland, the former BNP member who planted bombs across London in 1999. Nor should anyone suggest that Britain’s Muslims are collectively responsible for yesterday’s attack.
The fascist organisations that are trying to stir up trouble and racist violence in the wake of the Woolwich killing do not care about the dead soldier, his family or the interests of any community. They want only to see Muslims attacked and a race war on our streets. UAF condemns them and opposes their attempts to call “demonstrations” to exploit these issues.
UAF also calls on the media and politicians to stop using inflammatory language that feeds the fascists and racists. We must challenge Islamophobia wherever it raises its head. We must reject those who want to divide our communities and set them against each other, and stand fast to the ideals of anti-racism, multiculturalism and respect for all. |
You wonder from that statement if they are a little sorry that there was not a full blown riot after the attack. | | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:14 - May 23 with 1155 views | Aunt_Nelly |
Not only the left. Cameron and Boris' messages were along the same lines.
Also you can be damn sure the security services and Old Bill are all over the EDL phones/web as well as the islamist watch list.
Nobody can afford another summer of riots.
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:35 - May 23 with 1122 views | Bedford_R |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:10 - May 23 by MkPaul |
Was always gonna happen the mad left spouting their nonsense, a 21 line statement and only 2 lines about the soldier and the rest just nonsense.
Probably the same nutters who wanted to dance on MT's grave |
There is nothing wrong with that statement. Where is the nonsense or do you believe that all white people are to blame for the actions of Timothy McVeigh? |  |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:49 - May 23 with 1096 views | Gloucs_R |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:35 - May 23 by Bedford_R |
There is nothing wrong with that statement. Where is the nonsense or do you believe that all white people are to blame for the actions of Timothy McVeigh? |
This isnt about race, its about religion. Islam is not a very nice religion and if muslims had their way, we'd all be muslim. There would be no room for gay people, women would be 2nd class citizens and there would still be infighting between different sects.
Even Buddhist monks have started to fight muslims recently. Why is it that EVERY major religion seems to fight with Islam but not one another? I dont see Hindus or sikhs out on the streets slagging off the way we live our life...its ALWAYS muslims. | |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:58 - May 23 with 1086 views | Bedford_R |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:49 - May 23 by Gloucs_R |
This isnt about race, its about religion. Islam is not a very nice religion and if muslims had their way, we'd all be muslim. There would be no room for gay people, women would be 2nd class citizens and there would still be infighting between different sects.
Even Buddhist monks have started to fight muslims recently. Why is it that EVERY major religion seems to fight with Islam but not one another? I dont see Hindus or sikhs out on the streets slagging off the way we live our life...its ALWAYS muslims. |
Well, that is your point of view and you are entitled to it.
What I would say to that is that most Muslims do not think like how you state. The fanatics - yes but they are in the minority. A vocal minority. And a sometimes powerful minority.
Don't tar them all with the same brush...
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:05 - May 23 with 1067 views | Bedford_R |
RIP drummer Lee Rigby.. | |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:09 - May 23 with 1057 views | Juzzie |
If the genuine, peaceful Muslims who just go about their normal working family day like the rest of are concerned about recriminations then they seriously need to get together en masse and take issue with the radicals that are preaching hatred and violence in their name.
As others have said, we don't hear about Sikh or Hindu fundamentalists. Muslim's themselves have got to get their own house in order and if it turns out most of them do want what the extremists preach, then they know where the airports are. Bye.
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:10 - May 23 with 1053 views | Bedford_R |
Muslims abroad. And the majority of Muslims in a lot of those countries don't want Sharia law.
Do the majority of Muslims in this country want Sharia law here? - Google that for me.
If a Muslim state wants to enshrine Sharia law in that country then that is their sovereign right to do so. Then all the Muslims here who want to live under such a regime can fark off there... [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:18 - May 23 with 1038 views | CiderwithRsie |
Or you could try meeting a few muslims and talking to them in which case you might realise that is balls, at least respecting muslims in the UK. | | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:19 - May 23 with 1031 views | CiderwithRsie |
Wish I hadn't posted that actually. I've no time for either the EDL or any sort of jihadist, any more than the decent muslims I know have. Now is the time for decent British people of all sorts to stand together. | | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:29 - May 23 with 1009 views | Gloucs_R |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:19 - May 23 by CiderwithRsie |
Wish I hadn't posted that actually. I've no time for either the EDL or any sort of jihadist, any more than the decent muslims I know have. Now is the time for decent British people of all sorts to stand together. |
and I have got no issues with genuine people who want to live in peace. But when you follow a path that teaches what Islam does then you are in trouble.
Five Yemenis were executed and their crucified bodies put on public display in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday May 21, 2013. The Yemeni nationals were found guilty of forming a criminal gang, robbing shops in different parts of the country and killing a Saudi national.
According to Sharia Law although not in line with traditional crucifixion, Saudi henchmen hanged the bodies from a bar suspended between two cranes, their severed heads wrapped in sacks suspended next to the bodies. | |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:29 - May 23 with 1006 views | Rangersw12 |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:19 - May 23 by CiderwithRsie |
Wish I hadn't posted that actually. I've no time for either the EDL or any sort of jihadist, any more than the decent muslims I know have. Now is the time for decent British people of all sorts to stand together. |
End of he day these "decent" muslims you speak off harbor these extremists in their communities they know which mosques are preaching hatred yet they do nothing about it
If it ever came to a choice we all know what side these people would be on
God knows what this country will be like when my kids are my age
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:36 - May 23 with 991 views | MkPaul |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:35 - May 23 by Bedford_R |
There is nothing wrong with that statement. Where is the nonsense or do you believe that all white people are to blame for the actions of Timothy McVeigh? |
And there we are again, playing the race card!!!
Just to inform you there are Muslims of all races and all colours just like there are Christians of all races and colours so please don't be so narrow minded | | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:39 - May 23 with 981 views | Bedford_R |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:36 - May 23 by MkPaul |
And there we are again, playing the race card!!!
Just to inform you there are Muslims of all races and all colours just like there are Christians of all races and colours so please don't be so narrow minded |
You said that the rest of the UAF statement was nonsense. I am asking you where is the nonsense. I am not playing the race card (and neither is the UAF) I am asking you what you find nonsense about the UAF statement. Clearly you don't understand their statement and the context of my question. | |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:46 - May 23 with 961 views | AgedR |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:49 - May 23 by Gloucs_R |
This isnt about race, its about religion. Islam is not a very nice religion and if muslims had their way, we'd all be muslim. There would be no room for gay people, women would be 2nd class citizens and there would still be infighting between different sects.
Even Buddhist monks have started to fight muslims recently. Why is it that EVERY major religion seems to fight with Islam but not one another? I dont see Hindus or sikhs out on the streets slagging off the way we live our life...its ALWAYS muslims. |
Is that fundamentalist muslimism or fundamentalist christianity you are talking about?
Funny, I really can't tell the difference. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:49 - May 23 with 952 views | MkPaul |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:39 - May 23 by Bedford_R |
You said that the rest of the UAF statement was nonsense. I am asking you where is the nonsense. I am not playing the race card (and neither is the UAF) I am asking you what you find nonsense about the UAF statement. Clearly you don't understand their statement and the context of my question. |
What is nonsense about their statement is they brush over what happened the other day and focus on a couple of groups that aren't actually renowned for killing innocent people.
Also they are insulting the majority of us by suggesting that we can not become outraged by one group of fanatics without joining another group of fanatics although there really is no comparison between the groups.
Also there were people of all colours in the EDL group that turned up in woolwich the other night so Surely they are not all extremists, yes I am sure they have some (just like the Muslims) but the difference is I am yet to hear of the EDL or the BNP etc flying planes into buildings or blowing up trains and buses or trying to decapitate a man in the street.
So maybe they should focus their anti fascist movement where it is needed.
And yes they are playing the race card as are you but as usual in an underhand way by trying to make out that people that have had enough of the Muslim extremists are racist, and trying to install fear in these people to prevent them speaking out for fear of being labeled | | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:52 - May 23 with 1464 views | MkPaul |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:46 - May 23 by AgedR |
Is that fundamentalist muslimism or fundamentalist christianity you are talking about?
Funny, I really can't tell the difference. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:53 - May 23 with 1464 views | AgedR |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:49 - May 23 by MkPaul |
What is nonsense about their statement is they brush over what happened the other day and focus on a couple of groups that aren't actually renowned for killing innocent people.
Also they are insulting the majority of us by suggesting that we can not become outraged by one group of fanatics without joining another group of fanatics although there really is no comparison between the groups.
Also there were people of all colours in the EDL group that turned up in woolwich the other night so Surely they are not all extremists, yes I am sure they have some (just like the Muslims) but the difference is I am yet to hear of the EDL or the BNP etc flying planes into buildings or blowing up trains and buses or trying to decapitate a man in the street.
So maybe they should focus their anti fascist movement where it is needed.
And yes they are playing the race card as are you but as usual in an underhand way by trying to make out that people that have had enough of the Muslim extremists are racist, and trying to install fear in these people to prevent them speaking out for fear of being labeled |
Who are you including in your etc of fascist groups that don't kill innocent people out of curiosity? | |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:53 - May 23 with 1460 views | MkPaul |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 21:53 - May 23 by AgedR |
Who are you including in your etc of fascist groups that don't kill innocent people out of curiosity? |
The ones that are listed in the statement ie the groups like.... [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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