| Woolwich (non QPR) 17:48 - May 22 with 21138 views | simmo |
Readng the reports coming through, shocking stuff. It was a soldier apparently. I know 3 or 4 guys based at the Woolwich barracks but thankfully most went to Kenya last week.
Cut off a man's head next to primary school allegedly. In the middle of a weekday afternoon...
'One witness, identified as James, said he and his partner saw two black men attack a young man aged around 20 in a Help for Heroes T-shirt with kitchen knives like he was "a piece of meat".
He told LBC Radio: "They were hacking at this poor guy, literally.
"They were hacking at him, chopping him, cutting him.
"These two guys were crazed. They were just animals. They dragged him from the pavement and dumped his body in the middle of the road and left his body there."
He said that after the "horrendous" attack, the two men, in their 20s, just stood around, waving knives and a gun, even asking people nearby to take pictures of them "as if they wanted to be on TV or something".
He continued: "They were oblivious to anything, they were more worried about having their photo taken, running up and down the road.
"They had no intention of running off or leaving or anything. In my opinion, they were waiting for the police to arrive to be shot by the police. That's the only thing I can think. It's horrendous what they were doing to that guy."
Some "brave" women tried to shield the man on the ground from them, he added.
He also said that it was 20 minutes before armed police arrived at the scene.
"When the armed police came flying around the corner, the man with the beanie hat, the tall guy, he charged at the police vehicle.
"A shot was fired by the other guy with the gun. Six shots were fired, both men went down and we now know they are dead as well."'
http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/10436107.Police_called_to_Woolwich__shooting__
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:45 - May 22 with 1379 views | ketteringrs |
Religions. ?
Don't get em !
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:46 - May 22 with 1371 views | SpiritofGregory |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 18:04 - May 22 by simmo |
Lets not turn this into a bullshit fckin race or religion slagging thread. I didnt post it for that. The only concern should be the guy this happened to, his family and friends it affects and the people that had to see it.
The motives at this point are 1) speculation and 2) mostly irrelevant
The people that did it were oviously unstable. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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BULL$HIT!!!
You know what most would think, don't act the innocent one with us. If people from abroad don't like this country then they can fu*k off back to where they come from!! If people who are born here but have foreign parents don't like this country then they too can fuc* off to where their parents come from.
I am sick to death of these people taking the pis$ out of this country, something needs to happen, if the government don't act we will find ourselves in a civil war within the next 15 years. Do you think that other countries would put up with this - like heck they would! I'm also fed up of useless lefties who defend these people, treat them like victims and act like the KGB when someone has the guts to express their frustration.
And before you start calling me a BNP/EDL supporter, both my parents are from abroad and they are of the same opinion as me.
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:51 - May 22 with 1353 views | essextaxiboy |
In footage that has emerged, one of the attackers wields a bloodied meat cleaver and says: "We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you."
The black man, dressed in a grey hooded jacket and black woolly hat, apologises to members of the public who witnessed the horrific scenes before making a number of political statements.
In the footage, he is heard to say: "We must fight them as they fight us. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.
"I apologise that women have had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe.
"Remove your government, they don't care about you."
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:53 - May 22 with 1333 views | WanderR |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:43 - May 22 by MkPaul |
Maybe you should watch the clip above where one of the attackers speaks, you like many others will know the facts then
I also wonder how this thread would look had the attack been the other way round and a white soldier had hacked a Muslim to death? [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Thankfully what this thread would look would be irrelevant in either case.
The suspects in both scenarios would be arrested, given a fair and open trial, judged by a jury of their peers and duly sentenced.
This is because we live in a country governed by the rule of law, not diatribe. |  |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:54 - May 22 with 1332 views | AgedR |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:43 - May 22 by MkPaul |
Maybe you should watch the clip above where one of the attackers speaks, you like many others will know the facts then
I also wonder how this thread would look had the attack been the other way round and a white soldier had hacked a Muslim to death? [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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It's very comforting to see things in black and white. To look for answers in some unknown and never existed 'morality' or 'good' versus 'evil' argument.
It helps.
Execute them, clamp down, make freedom conditional.
The perpetrators should be dealt with through the laws that we have laid down in this country.
But, if we don't ask why so many young, radicalised individuals in the world feel disaffected to the extent that they are prepared to murder, it will just go on and on.
The answer isn't straight forward, irrespective of the atrocity that is self evident. |  |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:01 - May 22 with 1294 views | MkPaul |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:54 - May 22 by AgedR |
It's very comforting to see things in black and white. To look for answers in some unknown and never existed 'morality' or 'good' versus 'evil' argument.
It helps.
Execute them, clamp down, make freedom conditional.
The perpetrators should be dealt with through the laws that we have laid down in this country.
But, if we don't ask why so many young, radicalised individuals in the world feel disaffected to the extent that they are prepared to murder, it will just go on and on.
The answer isn't straight forward, irrespective of the atrocity that is self evident. |
The issue is religion, it's not about feeling disaffected to any extend its about religion and believing through religion that committing these acts will take you to a better place when you die. What kind of religion supports that? And should it be outlawed in this country? | | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:04 - May 22 with 1281 views | Marc |
Lefties??? Righties??? Centies???
There is no denying the cultural melting pot that we live in is facing massive problems on all levels. |  | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:04 - May 22 with 1279 views | MkPaul |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:53 - May 22 by WanderR |
Thankfully what this thread would look would be irrelevant in either case.
The suspects in both scenarios would be arrested, given a fair and open trial, judged by a jury of their peers and duly sentenced.
This is because we live in a country governed by the rule of law, not diatribe. |
And why do they deserve a fair and open trial? Did their victim get a fair and open anything? | | | |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:05 - May 22 with 1272 views | essextaxiboy |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:04 - May 22 by MkPaul |
And why do they deserve a fair and open trial? Did their victim get a fair and open anything? |
Because we are better than that [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:06 - May 22 with 1261 views | HollowayRanger |
i don think or i are worried about what will happen to those involved ie at the trial
what im thinking is how will the community react to this poor lad being butched
protests riots ? nope nothing will happen tonight
HOWEVER if it were a soldier or just two whites grabbing a muslim or black person and doing this
what would happen tonight? nothing? yea right london would be burning
and thats the difference we just keep taking it
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:06 - May 22 with 1261 views | MkPaul |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:05 - May 22 by essextaxiboy |
Because we are better than that [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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And that always seems to work out so well for us | | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:07 - May 22 with 1258 views | Marc |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:05 - May 22 by essextaxiboy |
Because we are better than that [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Correct.
But isnt it worrying that we now have thousands of people living amongst us that are not better than what we have seen today? | | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:10 - May 22 with 1241 views | SpiritofGregory |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:54 - May 22 by AgedR |
It's very comforting to see things in black and white. To look for answers in some unknown and never existed 'morality' or 'good' versus 'evil' argument.
It helps.
Execute them, clamp down, make freedom conditional.
The perpetrators should be dealt with through the laws that we have laid down in this country.
But, if we don't ask why so many young, radicalised individuals in the world feel disaffected to the extent that they are prepared to murder, it will just go on and on.
The answer isn't straight forward, irrespective of the atrocity that is self evident. |
"But, if we don't ask why so many young, radicalised individuals in the world feel disaffected to the extent that they are prepared to murder, it will just go on and on."
Why is it that society always wants to understand why young Muslim men feel disaffected after carrying out such attacks, yet if a young white English man practiced such prejudice, he'd just be labelled a racist?
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:10 - May 22 with 1244 views | THEBUSH |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:04 - May 22 by MkPaul |
And why do they deserve a fair and open trial? Did their victim get a fair and open anything? |
Would you prefer a lynch mob mentality in our country, because without 'a fair and open trial' that's what we'd have !! |  | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:10 - May 22 with 1241 views | loftboy |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:05 - May 22 by essextaxiboy |
Because we are better than that [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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In a situation like this when the murderer suspects are still at the scene and still threatening to kill people like these two then a bullet through the head is the best thing all round, imagine the carnage and publicity they would get around the courts whilst a trial went on. |  |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:11 - May 22 with 1233 views | essextaxiboy |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:07 - May 22 by Marc |
Correct.
But isnt it worrying that we now have thousands of people living amongst us that are not better than what we have seen today? |
What is worrying is that millions of people who could democratically and peacefully put pressure on for it to be tackled are afraid to do so for fear of being labelled rascist . | | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:13 - May 22 with 1217 views | AgedR |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:01 - May 22 by MkPaul |
The issue is religion, it's not about feeling disaffected to any extend its about religion and believing through religion that committing these acts will take you to a better place when you die. What kind of religion supports that? And should it be outlawed in this country? |
And what makes young men like that turn to such a fanatical and particular version of religion?
Ah, there's the rub | |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:14 - May 22 with 1213 views | MkPaul |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:10 - May 22 by THEBUSH |
Would you prefer a lynch mob mentality in our country, because without 'a fair and open trial' that's what we'd have !! |
Maybe if we did have that other extremists like these two would think twice, still at least they will be nicely looked after now and probably for the next 10 years until they are released back into our society, I hope it's not next door to me or my family.. Although it appears some on here wouldn't mind that.. Might even help them to understand them better | | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:16 - May 22 with 1199 views | loftboy |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:14 - May 22 by MkPaul |
Maybe if we did have that other extremists like these two would think twice, still at least they will be nicely looked after now and probably for the next 10 years until they are released back into our society, I hope it's not next door to me or my family.. Although it appears some on here wouldn't mind that.. Might even help them to understand them better |
They're brown bread aren't they? | |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:17 - May 22 with 1190 views | AgedR |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:14 - May 22 by MkPaul |
Maybe if we did have that other extremists like these two would think twice, still at least they will be nicely looked after now and probably for the next 10 years until they are released back into our society, I hope it's not next door to me or my family.. Although it appears some on here wouldn't mind that.. Might even help them to understand them better |
"We should condemn more and understand less"
(No Aged, you promised yourself you wouldn't go there) | |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:17 - May 22 with 1190 views | MkPaul |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:16 - May 22 by loftboy |
They're brown bread aren't they? |
Last report I saw they were in hospital being treated for their injuries | | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:18 - May 22 with 1180 views | BrianMcCarthy |
A few people on here appear to be using death to settle old political scores and arguments. That's the same game we all detest our politicians for playing, I thought.
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:20 - May 22 with 1166 views | loftboy |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:17 - May 22 by MkPaul |
Last report I saw they were in hospital being treated for their injuries |
Yep my apologies, saw they had been shot and just assumed the best! | |
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| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:20 - May 22 with 1166 views | MkPaul |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:17 - May 22 by AgedR |
"We should condemn more and understand less"
(No Aged, you promised yourself you wouldn't go there) |
Why would I want to understand them? So I can say oh that's ok then when they take these actions?
Would just rather we did not make our country so welcoming to this form of extremism, | | | |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 20:21 - May 22 with 1161 views | BromleyHoop |
| Woolwich (non QPR) on 19:39 - May 22 by TheBlob |
I know that area like the back of me hand.Shooter's Hill Old Bill station is a few hundred yards away and it took them 20 minutes ffs?Recognised the scene,last set of lights you hit before the Ferry roundabout.Always was a f*cking dump that area,pleased to get out even when the sun was shining. |
I'm afraid your local knowledge is rather out of date. Shooters Hill nick is long closed down and, as far as I'm aware, armed police were never based there anyway. I think there are more important issues here than Police response times ffs. |  |
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