| When will the penny drop? 00:44 - Aug 18 with 17513 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Everything that was warned about with regards to switching to a style that the players aren’t suited to is now visible to most. There is a very good reason we didn’t start trying to be Brazil of the 1970’s over the last 2 seasons… and as a result saw the side be one of the best in the league… it’s because the manager realised the limitations of the squad and played to their strengths. That’s management.
I am wondering at what point the collective penny will drop that we cannot continue to play this way UNTIL we have the squad capable to do it. The Championship is too strong a league to be doing that, last time we got to this level we were a slick, well oiled machine with players capable of playing Premier League football in Dyer, Williams, Rangel and Britton. That spine would go on to win the League Cup, finish top half in the Premier League and perform well in Europe…. A championship spine it was not.
We had the players with ability leagues above the level they were playing at meaning we could afford to take some risks with regards to playing style. A nearing prime Leon Britton in league 1 seems a bit laughable now doesn’t it? That’s because it was.
The situation sadly is not the same today. We need to play to our strengths, get some points on the board, get the players in that we need and slowly incorporate the system you want. People talk of long term plans… and then change a system overnight?! We will get slaughtered at this level.
How about that actually becomes the longer term plan touted about and we slowly implement it while protecting our Championship status? Too mad an idea?
We do not want to lose our league position and drop down to league 1 as I see some people now happily stating they wouldn’t mind. I find that sad to read and extremely naive.
Relegation won’t mean us having an easy season to test this style against, we will lose even more players, have less income to replace them and the spiral continues. It’s an arrogant point of view to think relegation can be handled easily by the club.
Relegation is not a positive option and the fact we have gone from play offs to the Premier League to accepting the realities and the weighing up of pros and cons of League 1 football in such a short space of time should tell you something ain’t right.
I like Russell Martin, I think he has a good future in the game, my issue is not with him and I hope he stays for a long time to build something. My issue is with the attitude surrounding everything at the moment that we must play a certain way immediately, regardless of the damage it will cause.
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| When will the penny drop? on 14:24 - Aug 18 with 1142 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| When will the penny drop? on 14:02 - Aug 18 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I do not buy that professional footballers (under direction ) cannot pass the ball accurately under pressure. All teams do the drills. It takes fitness and practice.
Monk, Tate, Williams Taylor were not world class passing players but applied themselves and were not caught out too often. The MK Dons squad could do it although under less pressure seen in the championship.
I think the likes of Bennett, Fulton, Bidwell possible Lowe days could be numbered unless they can become more careful in possession. Having gone down this route there is no turning back. It will prevail eventually. its just a matter on how long it will take. |
There is nothing to buy, it’s just simply a fact.
Again, it’s not just about passing 5 yards. It’s about passing accurately under pressure, having the vision and intelligence to do it to an area that isn’t going to put the receiver under pressure whilst also being aware of the opposition positioning up field so the passes then have purpose.
It’s not something you work on in training and good to go in a couple of months. This is something you can either do or you can’t by this age. Training will enhance it and perfect it, but if you can’t play this way then you are not likely to be able to any time soon. Tate is a fine example of having a player in the side who others can cover for if you have those specialists in your side.
The likes of Britton were a god send to them. Any trouble give it to Leon and he would steer the ball into the correct channel and away from the press. We don’t have a Leon, we don’t have an Ashley Williams to look up and spray a 40 yard pass to the wingers feet, we don’t have a striker to pass to who can hold the ball up allowing the play to be shifted from the defensive 2 thirds to the attacking 2 thirds, we don’t have wingers who act as outballs which stop the opposition from wanting to commit too much to the press etc etc etc etc etc
There is an awful lot that goes into this style of play. Far more than “any pro can pass 5 yards” as seems to be the buzz sentence recently. There are many facets we need specialists at which allows that style to work, we have almost none of those components. [Post edited 18 Aug 2021 14:33]
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| When will the penny drop? on 16:46 - Aug 18 with 1084 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
That the thing about "strong philosophies" there can be no compromise. Its "all in" or nothing. At Swansea, in theory, Martin has the club management, old players, most fans and most of his players "on side".
Swansea cannot get back to the Premier league with
Cooperball Championship Budget + £30m or
Cooperball Chamionship budget +£15m
Cooper was ideal far Crystal Palace and taking over from Roy Hodgson. A pragmatist.
Martin also has a dozen good 19-22 years old's that need schooling in a particular way of playing. This seems like a good way. A requirement for control and passing accuracy. Liam Walsh is this sort of player. The philosophy should be a constant just like Ajax or Villareal.
The US owners and club thinkers all want this and expect some difficult moments. |  |
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| When will the penny drop? on 16:54 - Aug 18 with 1081 views | magicdaps10 |
Penny drop... For what?
How can this season be compared to the previous 2 or even 3 seasons in the Championship.
How can Martin be compared to Potter or Cooper after 3 games in charge.
What would Potter or Cooper do this season with the squad at hand and with parachute payments now gone?
This season like our first back in this league is with a finger pushed on the reset button.
Cooper wanted certain things and now Cooper has gone, Martin will not be having anymore than what Cooper would have got if he remained.... Cooper went for his own reasons but Martin decided to come in under exactly the same circumstances to what Cooper would have had at hand.
I Wil support the guy who backed himself and like any individual with half a brain, Martin will realise it likely won't fall into place overnight and the hard work is starting.
You can't compare Martin and Cooper but one thing is for certain.... Martin has the balls to take on the challenge and get out of dodge at the first sign just to save his rep. |  |
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| When will the penny drop? on 17:01 - Aug 18 with 1078 views | magicdaps10 |
| When will the penny drop? on 16:46 - Aug 18 by ReslovenSwan1 |
That the thing about "strong philosophies" there can be no compromise. Its "all in" or nothing. At Swansea, in theory, Martin has the club management, old players, most fans and most of his players "on side".
Swansea cannot get back to the Premier league with
Cooperball Championship Budget + £30m or
Cooperball Chamionship budget +£15m
Cooper was ideal far Crystal Palace and taking over from Roy Hodgson. A pragmatist.
Martin also has a dozen good 19-22 years old's that need schooling in a particular way of playing. This seems like a good way. A requirement for control and passing accuracy. Liam Walsh is this sort of player. The philosophy should be a constant just like Ajax or Villareal.
The US owners and club thinkers all want this and expect some difficult moments. |
And it certainly won't be easy.... Trouble is aside from a relegation season, fans have had it good for far too long at Swansea City.
Its good to see that some fans are happy and prepared to take a hit this season to lay the foundations to try and be a "different" team like we once were early on in this adventure we have seen come and go in recent years.
We want our team to play football, we want our team to be different....all well and good sitting behind a screen basing our success on where we finish in the league!!
Martin is here now and he holds the future as it stands, it's going to be difficult and some fans want wins every game but that's not going to happen in the situation we find ourselves in this season.
Cooper had 1yr left of his contract but he chose not to honour it, people need to ask why instead of comparing Martin to him! Cooper didn't fancy it this season and its clear why he didn't. | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 21:36 - Aug 18 with 1015 views | jackrabbit |
| When will the penny drop? on 17:01 - Aug 18 by magicdaps10 |
And it certainly won't be easy.... Trouble is aside from a relegation season, fans have had it good for far too long at Swansea City.
Its good to see that some fans are happy and prepared to take a hit this season to lay the foundations to try and be a "different" team like we once were early on in this adventure we have seen come and go in recent years.
We want our team to play football, we want our team to be different....all well and good sitting behind a screen basing our success on where we finish in the league!!
Martin is here now and he holds the future as it stands, it's going to be difficult and some fans want wins every game but that's not going to happen in the situation we find ourselves in this season.
Cooper had 1yr left of his contract but he chose not to honour it, people need to ask why instead of comparing Martin to him! Cooper didn't fancy it this season and its clear why he didn't. |
Of course he didn’t fancy another season at a club where he was openly despised by the fans. He only had to spend 5 minutes on any of these message boards to realise he was about as popular as a fart in a space suit. It’s hardly a mystery as to why he decided to move on. |  | | |
| When will the penny drop? on 21:44 - Aug 18 with 1010 views | magicdaps10 |
| When will the penny drop? on 21:36 - Aug 18 by jackrabbit |
Of course he didn’t fancy another season at a club where he was openly despised by the fans. He only had to spend 5 minutes on any of these message boards to realise he was about as popular as a fart in a space suit. It’s hardly a mystery as to why he decided to move on. |
And his leaving had nothing to do with the fans and their views on him.... Let's get something right there.
He left to save his own face and his reputation, nothing wrong in that but at the same time he was not willing to back himself, was prepared to walk away from a group of players he had guided in the previous 2 years. Also I will remind you that all that plus he still had 12 monthhs left on his contract!
Once the parachute payments stopped and a few of our better players lefts... He was gone. | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 21:48 - Aug 18 with 992 views | onehunglow |
Rus is asking young players to play to a system alien to them.It is seeing us lose.Losing games will destroy any confidence so that eventually the players will be shot to pieces and mentally unable to play Russystyle. |  |
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| When will the penny drop? on 22:10 - Aug 18 with 993 views | Catullus |
| When will the penny drop? on 13:22 - Aug 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
Well Cooper took a limited squad from 10th when he took over, changed the style to one more suited to them and got us to 6th, then got us to 4th. We had a joint record points tally and one of the best defensive records in the league (if not, the best). That requires extreme tactical nouse.
Martin has come in and taken the same group of players that Cooper recognised had their strength in defence rather than possession and creation and decided that they play that way despite not being known for that ability throughout many of their careers.
What Martins tactical nouse is like we are yet to see. I would like to think it’s fairly extensive considering we have employed him to be our manager, but maybe you are right and I am giving him too much credit. Who knows. |
It's not the same group of players, there are new players here and some have left. We couldn't play Cooperball with these players either because the new guys would need to be coached that way. Isn't that common sense?
The analogy is silly because in football terms the 45 stone couch potato would be an amateur footballer, the Premier league player would be just below an Olympian, Championship players would be talented club runners. In car terms, EPL would be formula one, Champiosnship F2.
I'm not saying you are entirely wrong just that you could be and we will see. Once martin has fully assessed the squad, once he has brought in all he allowed too and had the chance to coach them, then we will see.
That will still take several weeks, 2/3 months. Martin could quite possibly be more pragamatic about it and adjust our style, we saw a bit of it Tuesday when a few long balls were tried to Piroe.
Tiki Taka now, even Messi sends a pass astray now and then and Lowe is nowhere near Messi, not that many EPL players are either. We don't know what these players are capable of until they try.
It's repeating the points but there's been no pre season to speak of, no chance to use practice matches to get things going, to make sure of fitness levels, to build spirit and confidence.
Martin needs and deserves some time and patience. Hopefully he'll add to his squad. Lets not forget this is the same style he put in at MK Dons and the fans there loved him. When he took over they were in the relegation zone but finished 13th.
He succesfully changed the style at MK Dons so why can't he do it here? Are you suggesting they had better players, more capable or talented players? | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 22:16 - Aug 18 with 992 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| When will the penny drop? on 01:54 - Aug 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
Perfectly calm Jasper.
These points aren’t time specific, they are process specific. The points that we should have the players that can implement a style before actually implementing it is a point that can be made after 2 days or 2 years, that notion doesn’t change with time.
In fact I was saying this last year as a reason why we don’t play that way. This isn’t an opinion I have developed after 2 weeks, it’s an opinion that has always been true and will continue to be so.
But I’m sure you are well aware of that. |
😂😂 I’m shocked you brought this up again
I love reading how your opinions are purely facts because you know them to be and obviously the rest of us have no clue
Just remember Tony Adams was an old fashioned centre half who was incapable of 10 yard passes before wenger got hold of him [Post edited 18 Aug 2021 22:46]
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| When will the penny drop? on 22:20 - Aug 18 with 987 views | vetchonian |
| When will the penny drop? on 22:10 - Aug 18 by Catullus |
It's not the same group of players, there are new players here and some have left. We couldn't play Cooperball with these players either because the new guys would need to be coached that way. Isn't that common sense?
The analogy is silly because in football terms the 45 stone couch potato would be an amateur footballer, the Premier league player would be just below an Olympian, Championship players would be talented club runners. In car terms, EPL would be formula one, Champiosnship F2.
I'm not saying you are entirely wrong just that you could be and we will see. Once martin has fully assessed the squad, once he has brought in all he allowed too and had the chance to coach them, then we will see.
That will still take several weeks, 2/3 months. Martin could quite possibly be more pragamatic about it and adjust our style, we saw a bit of it Tuesday when a few long balls were tried to Piroe.
Tiki Taka now, even Messi sends a pass astray now and then and Lowe is nowhere near Messi, not that many EPL players are either. We don't know what these players are capable of until they try.
It's repeating the points but there's been no pre season to speak of, no chance to use practice matches to get things going, to make sure of fitness levels, to build spirit and confidence.
Martin needs and deserves some time and patience. Hopefully he'll add to his squad. Lets not forget this is the same style he put in at MK Dons and the fans there loved him. When he took over they were in the relegation zone but finished 13th.
He succesfully changed the style at MK Dons so why can't he do it here? Are you suggesting they had better players, more capable or talented players? |
Dont forget we finsihed 4th last season and lost a play off final to the losoing finalists fro/m the season before and you would be happy to just avoid relegation or setlle for mid table | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 22:28 - Aug 18 with 981 views | Fireboy2 |
Bloody hell, you are like a broken record, finishing 4th and losing the final great, we may as well have finished 1 place above the relegation. |  | | |
| When will the penny drop? on 03:33 - Aug 19 with 929 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| When will the penny drop? on 16:54 - Aug 18 by magicdaps10 |
Penny drop... For what?
How can this season be compared to the previous 2 or even 3 seasons in the Championship.
How can Martin be compared to Potter or Cooper after 3 games in charge.
What would Potter or Cooper do this season with the squad at hand and with parachute payments now gone?
This season like our first back in this league is with a finger pushed on the reset button.
Cooper wanted certain things and now Cooper has gone, Martin will not be having anymore than what Cooper would have got if he remained.... Cooper went for his own reasons but Martin decided to come in under exactly the same circumstances to what Cooper would have had at hand.
I Wil support the guy who backed himself and like any individual with half a brain, Martin will realise it likely won't fall into place overnight and the hard work is starting.
You can't compare Martin and Cooper but one thing is for certain.... Martin has the balls to take on the challenge and get out of dodge at the first sign just to save his rep. |
I thought that was obvious, penny drop before the club realises that we don’t have the players to play this system yet and play to win points until that time.
Not sure what you mean by how can things be compared? The players here now are largely the ones that were here last year, we picked up points regularly without Guehi and Ayew, I don’t think it’s too much to ask to get some points on the board this season is it?
Having balls to the detriment of having sense isn’t really something that fills me with confidence. It’s football not braveheart. | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 03:41 - Aug 19 with 928 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| When will the penny drop? on 22:28 - Aug 18 by Fireboy2 |
Bloody hell, you are like a broken record, finishing 4th and losing the final great, we may as well have finished 1 place above the relegation. |
Don’t be silly.
If you lose the play off final you get around £20m. £13.5m of PL solidarity money over the next 3 seasons (£4.5 a year) on top of football league central distribution which is £2.3m a year.
Not to mention the gate receipts, the merchandise, the TV rights and the ability to attract players who have an ambition to play in the Premier League.
Losing in the playoffs is infinitely better than finishing 21st. | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 03:44 - Aug 19 with 927 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| When will the penny drop? on 22:10 - Aug 18 by Catullus |
It's not the same group of players, there are new players here and some have left. We couldn't play Cooperball with these players either because the new guys would need to be coached that way. Isn't that common sense?
The analogy is silly because in football terms the 45 stone couch potato would be an amateur footballer, the Premier league player would be just below an Olympian, Championship players would be talented club runners. In car terms, EPL would be formula one, Champiosnship F2.
I'm not saying you are entirely wrong just that you could be and we will see. Once martin has fully assessed the squad, once he has brought in all he allowed too and had the chance to coach them, then we will see.
That will still take several weeks, 2/3 months. Martin could quite possibly be more pragamatic about it and adjust our style, we saw a bit of it Tuesday when a few long balls were tried to Piroe.
Tiki Taka now, even Messi sends a pass astray now and then and Lowe is nowhere near Messi, not that many EPL players are either. We don't know what these players are capable of until they try.
It's repeating the points but there's been no pre season to speak of, no chance to use practice matches to get things going, to make sure of fitness levels, to build spirit and confidence.
Martin needs and deserves some time and patience. Hopefully he'll add to his squad. Lets not forget this is the same style he put in at MK Dons and the fans there loved him. When he took over they were in the relegation zone but finished 13th.
He succesfully changed the style at MK Dons so why can't he do it here? Are you suggesting they had better players, more capable or talented players? |
No, I’m struggling to see that. These players played the last system successfully with and without the players that left.
This isn’t a system issue it’s a technical ability issue.
As I have said, I have faith in Martin that he is talented enough to be able to adapt to what he sees. Maybe I have too much faith in him.
But taking a group of players out to slaughter every week is doing absolutely zero for confidence and absolutely zero for our league prospects. | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 03:48 - Aug 19 with 925 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| When will the penny drop? on 22:16 - Aug 18 by PatchesOHoulihan |
😂😂 I’m shocked you brought this up again
I love reading how your opinions are purely facts because you know them to be and obviously the rest of us have no clue
Just remember Tony Adams was an old fashioned centre half who was incapable of 10 yard passes before wenger got hold of him [Post edited 18 Aug 2021 22:46]
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I will continue to bring it up, because it’s true, don’t be shocked.
Expect to hear this point frequently over the next few months… or indeed until the penny drops. | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 06:54 - Aug 19 with 887 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| When will the penny drop? on 03:48 - Aug 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
I will continue to bring it up, because it’s true, don’t be shocked.
Expect to hear this point frequently over the next few months… or indeed until the penny drops. |
Whether it’s right or not it looks like we have gone all in with Martin already. We’re spending money, we are fully committing to him trying to change the way we play to suit him.
Perhaps the club, now that they have made this decision are happy to ride it out in the belief that we will get there instead of the short termism of what has happened in the last 3 games. Maybe they don’t want us to compromise because they have belief in their convictions in who they chose and belief that he will get it right.
And maybe despite what has been said in here that now the parachute payments have finished and we are cutting out cloth accordingly (or trying to) that there is a new plan for getting back up a different way which they have allowed for which may take 2 or 3 years
I don’t know any of the above to be fact, it just may be plausible. Whatever happens I can’t see us becoming more pragmatic rightly or wrongly and we all need to get used to it instead of banging the drum that it won’t happen and going back to last season | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 07:39 - Aug 19 with 870 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| When will the penny drop? on 06:54 - Aug 19 by PatchesOHoulihan |
Whether it’s right or not it looks like we have gone all in with Martin already. We’re spending money, we are fully committing to him trying to change the way we play to suit him.
Perhaps the club, now that they have made this decision are happy to ride it out in the belief that we will get there instead of the short termism of what has happened in the last 3 games. Maybe they don’t want us to compromise because they have belief in their convictions in who they chose and belief that he will get it right.
And maybe despite what has been said in here that now the parachute payments have finished and we are cutting out cloth accordingly (or trying to) that there is a new plan for getting back up a different way which they have allowed for which may take 2 or 3 years
I don’t know any of the above to be fact, it just may be plausible. Whatever happens I can’t see us becoming more pragmatic rightly or wrongly and we all need to get used to it instead of banging the drum that it won’t happen and going back to last season |
That’s great if we are committing to the project, but that doesn’t mean we have to implement it from day 1 before all the pieces are in place.
It needs to be more intelligent and measured than that.
I would say implementing a playing style before the club is ready is the epitome of short termism. How are we going to get the players needed when we are on a downward spiral? If we get relegated not only does our scope of players go down drastically, so do the pool of players we have already amassed.
Flynn Downes for example was brought in for the project yet I’m sure he left Ipswich because they were in league 1 and wanted to play at a higher level.
There is no way people should “get used to it” when it comes to needless and brainless mediocrity. If it has a future we will do it, but not at the detriment of the club, and anyone who expects people to condone that need their heads examined. | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 08:09 - Aug 19 with 855 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| When will the penny drop? on 07:39 - Aug 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
That’s great if we are committing to the project, but that doesn’t mean we have to implement it from day 1 before all the pieces are in place.
It needs to be more intelligent and measured than that.
I would say implementing a playing style before the club is ready is the epitome of short termism. How are we going to get the players needed when we are on a downward spiral? If we get relegated not only does our scope of players go down drastically, so do the pool of players we have already amassed.
Flynn Downes for example was brought in for the project yet I’m sure he left Ipswich because they were in league 1 and wanted to play at a higher level.
There is no way people should “get used to it” when it comes to needless and brainless mediocrity. If it has a future we will do it, but not at the detriment of the club, and anyone who expects people to condone that need their heads examined. |
We’re 3 games in - we are a long way from being relegated and struggling to bring in players. You could argue that the way we are trying to play would attract more players who want to play in that style who may not be interested if we were more pragmatic. We’ve got a manager in who clearly believes in his own style and philosophy (I hate that word in football) and we’ve entrusted him to run the team. He said at the start there would be bumps in the road. | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 08:48 - Aug 19 with 834 views | Fireboy2 |
| When will the penny drop? on 03:41 - Aug 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
Don’t be silly.
If you lose the play off final you get around £20m. £13.5m of PL solidarity money over the next 3 seasons (£4.5 a year) on top of football league central distribution which is £2.3m a year.
Not to mention the gate receipts, the merchandise, the TV rights and the ability to attract players who have an ambition to play in the Premier League.
Losing in the playoffs is infinitely better than finishing 21st. |
Tbh doc i wasn't away if the prize money for getting to the final but in all honesty there wasn't many there to watch us meekly crumble and how many ambitious players did your man cooper attract before he did one? | | | |
| When will the penny drop? on 08:50 - Aug 19 with 834 views | magicdaps10 |
| When will the penny drop? on 03:33 - Aug 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
I thought that was obvious, penny drop before the club realises that we don’t have the players to play this system yet and play to win points until that time.
Not sure what you mean by how can things be compared? The players here now are largely the ones that were here last year, we picked up points regularly without Guehi and Ayew, I don’t think it’s too much to ask to get some points on the board this season is it?
Having balls to the detriment of having sense isn’t really something that fills me with confidence. It’s football not braveheart. |
It's a silly question to ask, most know it Wil take time to change style after a style totally foreign to playing football has been implemented for the last 2 years... Passing has been eradicated badly from all players and Martin has to get those simple procedures aswell as being more adventurous into the players again.
Cooper fooled the board with a portfolio of entertaining football with passing highly in that.... 2 years later and that was not the case but he was good at grinding out results and his ego wouldn't even entertain nonouring his last year of his contract because he thought he deserved more backing than the board would give him.... He wanted it to save face as he knew that he would get near his previous 2 season finishes in the league.
That as they say is the fact of the situation. | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 09:18 - Aug 19 with 819 views | jackrmee |
| When will the penny drop? on 14:02 - Aug 18 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I do not buy that professional footballers (under direction ) cannot pass the ball accurately under pressure. All teams do the drills. It takes fitness and practice.
Monk, Tate, Williams Taylor were not world class passing players but applied themselves and were not caught out too often. The MK Dons squad could do it although under less pressure seen in the championship.
I think the likes of Bennett, Fulton, Bidwell possible Lowe days could be numbered unless they can become more careful in possession. Having gone down this route there is no turning back. It will prevail eventually. its just a matter on how long it will take. |
Exactly.
These are top professionals. Even Welsh league players can learn how to play a certain way. As a pro footballer, if you are unable to pass, after practicing and being taught by professional coaches, you should quit. In fact, if that were the case, surely you wouldn't have made it to the Championship, as a player anyway? |  |
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| When will the penny drop? on 09:22 - Aug 19 with 816 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| When will the penny drop? on 09:18 - Aug 19 by jackrmee |
Exactly.
These are top professionals. Even Welsh league players can learn how to play a certain way. As a pro footballer, if you are unable to pass, after practicing and being taught by professional coaches, you should quit. In fact, if that were the case, surely you wouldn't have made it to the Championship, as a player anyway? |
Exactly this - we have to give people a bit of time to get confidence playing this way but to write them off before then is absurd | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 09:27 - Aug 19 with 806 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| When will the penny drop? on 08:48 - Aug 19 by Fireboy2 |
Tbh doc i wasn't away if the prize money for getting to the final but in all honesty there wasn't many there to watch us meekly crumble and how many ambitious players did your man cooper attract before he did one? |
More people around the globe watched us meekly crumble in the final than they have seen us meekly crumble this season in our 3 games combined that’s for sure.
As for who he attracted, I think that’s half the issue why he left. He wasn’t getting what he was clearly stating we needed.
They signed Piroe, would have have come here if we had just finished 21st? | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 09:28 - Aug 19 with 805 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| When will the penny drop? on 08:50 - Aug 19 by magicdaps10 |
It's a silly question to ask, most know it Wil take time to change style after a style totally foreign to playing football has been implemented for the last 2 years... Passing has been eradicated badly from all players and Martin has to get those simple procedures aswell as being more adventurous into the players again.
Cooper fooled the board with a portfolio of entertaining football with passing highly in that.... 2 years later and that was not the case but he was good at grinding out results and his ego wouldn't even entertain nonouring his last year of his contract because he thought he deserved more backing than the board would give him.... He wanted it to save face as he knew that he would get near his previous 2 season finishes in the league.
That as they say is the fact of the situation. |
It’s a perfectly reasonable question to ask.
Changing the style is one thing, changing players skill sets is quite another.
That’s a fact. | |
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| When will the penny drop? on 09:29 - Aug 19 with 804 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| When will the penny drop? on 09:22 - Aug 19 by PatchesOHoulihan |
Exactly this - we have to give people a bit of time to get confidence playing this way but to write them off before then is absurd |
Not exactly at all. Anyone who thinks this style of play simply involves the need to pass 5 yards really hasn’t been paying attention. | |
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