| Russell Martin... Take a bow. 21:50 - Oct 20 with 10913 views | magicdaps10 |
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 11:41 - Oct 21 with 962 views | vetchonian |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 11:26 - Oct 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Its not an issue, it may for you as you clearly don't understand.
Fitness has nothing to do with playing a mixed style, it takes more mental and physical conditioning to play 800 short passes per game.
He has deviated from the initial plan and that's clear to even the blind.
Patience with a system that is working is fine. Patience with a system that never will is madness... as it transpired. |
YOu are wasting your time and breath Doc
It doesnt matter how many times you demonstrate things with facts those on here with the rose tinted blinkers on will never see things as they are.
Or first win of teh season came from a tactical change brought about by the players...
I never get this transition the side Martin started with was not that which finished last season
All footballers should be capable of short passing....in our first game we managed 72% possesion so Martin had obviously instilled a change in such a short time.Our focus up untill the last two games has been to keep the ball....even on Sunday when 3 nil up we passed the ball back to HAmer from inside the Cardiff half rather than "risk" a forward move.
Lets celebrate the performances and the results we are seeing....there has been a change to a mix of pragmatism and possesion ....No one will ever win these arguements as we all have opinions which are often formed with differing levels of intellect understanding of what we see in front of us and preconceived perception.
Lets hope the magic formula has been found, we can get some cover for Piroe in case of injury and also Patterson...
It seems for many they need to proven right wheter that is about Cooper being a "fraud" or Martin being the messiah...
The only thing thats count is the club and a winning suceesful team.... |  |
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 11:43 - Oct 21 with 942 views | onehunglow |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 11:41 - Oct 21 by vetchonian |
YOu are wasting your time and breath Doc
It doesnt matter how many times you demonstrate things with facts those on here with the rose tinted blinkers on will never see things as they are.
Or first win of teh season came from a tactical change brought about by the players...
I never get this transition the side Martin started with was not that which finished last season
All footballers should be capable of short passing....in our first game we managed 72% possesion so Martin had obviously instilled a change in such a short time.Our focus up untill the last two games has been to keep the ball....even on Sunday when 3 nil up we passed the ball back to HAmer from inside the Cardiff half rather than "risk" a forward move.
Lets celebrate the performances and the results we are seeing....there has been a change to a mix of pragmatism and possesion ....No one will ever win these arguements as we all have opinions which are often formed with differing levels of intellect understanding of what we see in front of us and preconceived perception.
Lets hope the magic formula has been found, we can get some cover for Piroe in case of injury and also Patterson...
It seems for many they need to proven right wheter that is about Cooper being a "fraud" or Martin being the messiah...
The only thing thats count is the club and a winning suceesful team.... |
stop reading my mind Vetch.
It's getting scary now.
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I thought I was the only clueless utter moron around.
Seems there's loads of us negative buggers around | |
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 11:44 - Oct 21 with 944 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 11:41 - Oct 21 by vetchonian |
YOu are wasting your time and breath Doc
It doesnt matter how many times you demonstrate things with facts those on here with the rose tinted blinkers on will never see things as they are.
Or first win of teh season came from a tactical change brought about by the players...
I never get this transition the side Martin started with was not that which finished last season
All footballers should be capable of short passing....in our first game we managed 72% possesion so Martin had obviously instilled a change in such a short time.Our focus up untill the last two games has been to keep the ball....even on Sunday when 3 nil up we passed the ball back to HAmer from inside the Cardiff half rather than "risk" a forward move.
Lets celebrate the performances and the results we are seeing....there has been a change to a mix of pragmatism and possesion ....No one will ever win these arguements as we all have opinions which are often formed with differing levels of intellect understanding of what we see in front of us and preconceived perception.
Lets hope the magic formula has been found, we can get some cover for Piroe in case of injury and also Patterson...
It seems for many they need to proven right wheter that is about Cooper being a "fraud" or Martin being the messiah...
The only thing thats count is the club and a winning suceesful team.... |
I know he's trolling, he ignored sense and goes to the ludicrous.
I enjoy the back and forth, its his own time he's wasting. I will always be able to articulate the truth and the facts of the matter, so his deflection has no effect.
He is like a lovable younger brother. Very silly, always after your attention, but harmless. |  |
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 11:44 - Oct 21 with 952 views | magicdaps10 |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 11:26 - Oct 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Its not an issue, it may for you as you clearly don't understand.
Fitness has nothing to do with playing a mixed style, it takes more mental and physical conditioning to play 800 short passes per game.
He has deviated from the initial plan and that's clear to even the blind.
Patience with a system that is working is fine. Patience with a system that never will is madness... as it transpired. |
Initial plan! Don't think that plan ever had ruling out long balls from Martin himself.
Other posters don't pick the style, don't manage the team so until you have something with Martin stating he wouldn't play long balls then you have to give him the benefit of the style the team are playing today....not you or other posters but Martin.
Martin's style was going to come eventually and it was pointless screaming for it a few weeks in when he had just walked through the door with an unfit group of players being prepared for this style change..... Patience was needed and patience was put to you back in those early weeks, now things are up to speed and being taken on board NOW we are seeing it come to fruition.
Its not about you being correct but about you being impatient and not understanding the long game back at the start of the first few weeks of Martin's regime at the club.
Make no bones about it mind, still a few bumpy roads coming. | |
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 11:47 - Oct 21 with 936 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 11:44 - Oct 21 by magicdaps10 |
Initial plan! Don't think that plan ever had ruling out long balls from Martin himself.
Other posters don't pick the style, don't manage the team so until you have something with Martin stating he wouldn't play long balls then you have to give him the benefit of the style the team are playing today....not you or other posters but Martin.
Martin's style was going to come eventually and it was pointless screaming for it a few weeks in when he had just walked through the door with an unfit group of players being prepared for this style change..... Patience was needed and patience was put to you back in those early weeks, now things are up to speed and being taken on board NOW we are seeing it come to fruition.
Its not about you being correct but about you being impatient and not understanding the long game back at the start of the first few weeks of Martin's regime at the club.
Make no bones about it mind, still a few bumpy roads coming. |
Yes the initial plan, the one that saw 4% long passes per game. Just ridiculous tactics.
Martins style is whatever he wishes to change it to. He can start lumping it to a CB he has decided to play up front if he wants, and that will be ''Martin's style''.
''Martins style'' does not exist. only the style he is choosing to play at that moment.
Plan A was his initial style, we were told he couldn't deviate from that. We said he could and needs to take a more mixed passing and direct approach. We were told he couldn't and that plan A was the only one we had to work with.
He changed it, its worked as we said it would. Well done all - except those that said he could only play one way and we were wrong to question it. They may need to take a lesson from this. [Post edited 21 Oct 2021 11:58]
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 12:01 - Oct 21 with 933 views | jackrabbit |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 21:52 - Oct 20 by KeithHaynes |
And anyone on here who has battered this young man from day one should agree. |
As I said in a previous post I was very happy for the players and certainly for the manager last night. He deserved the good feelings he would have had from that superb win, after all the contentious cr@p he’s had written about him in his short time as Swansea manager. Time will tell but I would not be surprised if in time he reaches the same heights in the game as our distinguished former managers, Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez. Early days, but for the time being, he has work to be done here, which is coming along nicely and he is starting to enjoy himself I think. He certainly looks like he’s having a good time. Exciting times to be a Swans fan. |  | | |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 12:07 - Oct 21 with 917 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 12:01 - Oct 21 by jackrabbit |
As I said in a previous post I was very happy for the players and certainly for the manager last night. He deserved the good feelings he would have had from that superb win, after all the contentious cr@p he’s had written about him in his short time as Swansea manager. Time will tell but I would not be surprised if in time he reaches the same heights in the game as our distinguished former managers, Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez. Early days, but for the time being, he has work to be done here, which is coming along nicely and he is starting to enjoy himself I think. He certainly looks like he’s having a good time. Exciting times to be a Swans fan. |
If he keeps learning and keeps dropping what makes no sense at all then the sky is the limit.
Ego is what hold a lot of managers back and their refusal to drop what isn't working or listen to others.
I read a story about Mick McCarthy where the fans wanted him to play a certain player. He replied that he is stubborn and there is less chance of him playing that player if they tell him to.
I think it may have been our very own Bersant Celina actually. | |
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 12:26 - Oct 21 with 913 views | Badlands |
I like the style he has developed and is developing and he deserves praise for sticking to his principles, but there are two manager things, apart from the obvious positive ones, from last night that stood out …
He needs to keep a settled back line with Cabango who doesn't give away the free kicks in dangerous positions that we see from Manning and Latibeaudiere. But the fluidity in defence and with some midfielders interchanging with the last line was excellent.
Secondly, he needs to get Ncham fit for 90 minutes. It was an injury to Downes that forced the half time change so Martin got a little luck. Downes is good and shows huge promise as a defensive midfielder but Ncham really is a class or three above the youngster. Ideally for me our midfield would pair them with Smith.
Last was , for many, an indication of where we are in comparison to top 6 sides … they answered those questions handsomely and now it is all about staying fit and consistent.
Top half expected … top 6 not a surprise. |  |
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 12:32 - Oct 21 with 897 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 12:26 - Oct 21 by Badlands |
I like the style he has developed and is developing and he deserves praise for sticking to his principles, but there are two manager things, apart from the obvious positive ones, from last night that stood out …
He needs to keep a settled back line with Cabango who doesn't give away the free kicks in dangerous positions that we see from Manning and Latibeaudiere. But the fluidity in defence and with some midfielders interchanging with the last line was excellent.
Secondly, he needs to get Ncham fit for 90 minutes. It was an injury to Downes that forced the half time change so Martin got a little luck. Downes is good and shows huge promise as a defensive midfielder but Ncham really is a class or three above the youngster. Ideally for me our midfield would pair them with Smith.
Last was , for many, an indication of where we are in comparison to top 6 sides … they answered those questions handsomely and now it is all about staying fit and consistent.
Top half expected … top 6 not a surprise. |
Not sure what principles he has stuck to exactly, but he deserved praise for changing what clearly want working and releasing the long ball shackles.
Piroe and Pato look far happier, both benefitting from it. | |
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 13:40 - Oct 21 with 886 views | jackrabbit |
Not the easiest name to spell (or pronounce!) - I’ve seen Ncham and Ntham (which looks like it’s short for Northampton!). Combine the 2 and you get NTCHAM. Easy Peasy.
It may sound trivial but as somebody who himself has a surname that is easily misspelled (no it’s not Rabbit!), I can tell you it is a much appreciated courtesy to spell somebody’s name correctly. The worst offenders with me are the HMRC and utility companies. | | | |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 13:58 - Oct 21 with 866 views | Catullus |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 10:40 - Oct 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
A fool of myself? Don't be so silly.
We were told (you may even have been part of the gang) that this is plan A, there is no deviation, we cannot play more pragmatically and we just had to accept it.
THIS way of playing is the way we were calling for that you guys said was impossible for him.
Martin is now seeing what we were seeing long ago, credit to him for that, it is a huge relief. Plan A was completely unworkable. However I bet you still have no idea what has changed....
If you don't want the ''I told you so'' comments then you should relax on your myth building and trying to point the finger at those who correctly called it early.
Silly. [Post edited 21 Oct 2021 10:41]
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Come on Dr P, plan A wasn't completely unworkable, it was what gave us the basis for pulling Albions sting, it made them chase shadows wearing them down.
Plan A means a lot of possession and on Sunday we had 74%, last night 68%, that is plan A, to have possession, to control the ball. Just look at the stats, they back up plan A, we lead the division in possession and passes and our shooting stats are improving. Yes he's adjusted the plan but it is still mostly plan A.
Unworkable no, it just needed a bit of tinkering. | |
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 14:08 - Oct 21 with 852 views | Dr_Winston |
Seems fairly obvious that the style hasn't really changed, but the players comfort with it has improved markedly. We're averaging broadly the same possession rates now as we did at the start of the season. Still broadly the same pass completion rates. We're still comfortable passing it around the back line as we did at the start of the season.
Only real difference is that the defenders have become more acclimatised to expectations, are happier bringing the ball forward themselves now and maybe playing that little chipped pass, or spreading it wide, which was previously a big no-no. The midfield is confident knowing what the defence will do so they can open up a bit, likewise Piroe and Paterson.
Basically we go back to what was said at the start of the season. Systems take time to bed in, especially given the lack of a pre season to work on it. Players take time to get the hang of them. Sensible people understood and accepted this. Others did not. [Post edited 21 Oct 2021 14:09]
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 14:14 - Oct 21 with 846 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 14:08 - Oct 21 by Dr_Winston |
Seems fairly obvious that the style hasn't really changed, but the players comfort with it has improved markedly. We're averaging broadly the same possession rates now as we did at the start of the season. Still broadly the same pass completion rates. We're still comfortable passing it around the back line as we did at the start of the season.
Only real difference is that the defenders have become more acclimatised to expectations, are happier bringing the ball forward themselves now and maybe playing that little chipped pass, or spreading it wide, which was previously a big no-no. The midfield is confident knowing what the defence will do so they can open up a bit, likewise Piroe and Paterson.
Basically we go back to what was said at the start of the season. Systems take time to bed in, especially given the lack of a pre season to work on it. Players take time to get the hang of them. Sensible people understood and accepted this. Others did not. [Post edited 21 Oct 2021 14:09]
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Agreed. Nothing has changed, we've just got better through good coaching and players buying into the managers ideas, as demonstrated by Pato and Piroe.
Yesterday we played the ball over the top to Piroe regular, but when a team wants to play a suicidal high line like that, then we would have been dull not to. It was a game plan that worked perfectly. |  | | |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 14:16 - Oct 21 with 841 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
I do not buy the concept that Swansea are succeeding after Martin was forced by results to compromise his principles. Martin has clearly laid out his methods and stated the players were not used to his style and did not have the necessary fitness to execute his style successfully. He stated that the methods would work once practised with players achieving greater fitness. This appears to be the case after the international break where he pretty much had a full roster.
Some posters have linked Swansea game where the Martin game was not executed well as "Plan A". This plan A is self defined by the poster not Martin. Why would Martin bring in Flynn Downes and fight to keep Grimes if long balls were off the agenda?. Not complaints from Martin over tactics in the last two games. Quite the reverse in fact. Long balls and possession control.
he also stated that possession control would leave the opposing team tiring not his. This had also transpired.
Patterson along with other players is playing differently as highlighted by Martin and and the pundit on Quest. He is not being asked to track back. Both Patterson and Piroe are scoring in the second half.
For me Martin is delivering what he promised, not learning by his mistakes although he is doing that as well. His star players are the newcomers Piroe, Patterson, Downdes Laird not the Cooperball favourites. Walsh, Obafemi, Williams and Ntcham are yet to fully show their quality. I expect them to deliver in the coming months.
When the recruitment is right and transfer cash reinvested why worry about player sales? Roberts, Rodon, McBurnie who needs them? |  |
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 14:19 - Oct 21 with 837 views | Dr_Winston |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 14:14 - Oct 21 by 34dfgdf54 |
Agreed. Nothing has changed, we've just got better through good coaching and players buying into the managers ideas, as demonstrated by Pato and Piroe.
Yesterday we played the ball over the top to Piroe regular, but when a team wants to play a suicidal high line like that, then we would have been dull not to. It was a game plan that worked perfectly. |
Yep. That's not something we've done a lot of this season, but it's clearly a weakness in the way WBA set up that we identified and looked to exploit.
Whether it's something we spotted beforehand (possible given how much Ismael teams like to press) or worked out as the game progressed, it's still good tactics and good game management. | |
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 14:22 - Oct 21 with 827 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 13:58 - Oct 21 by Catullus |
Come on Dr P, plan A wasn't completely unworkable, it was what gave us the basis for pulling Albions sting, it made them chase shadows wearing them down.
Plan A means a lot of possession and on Sunday we had 74%, last night 68%, that is plan A, to have possession, to control the ball. Just look at the stats, they back up plan A, we lead the division in possession and passes and our shooting stats are improving. Yes he's adjusted the plan but it is still mostly plan A.
Unworkable no, it just needed a bit of tinkering. |
Plan A was ludicrous, it’s been a distinct change of tactics, that’s clear to anyone who knows football and even the blindest of fans will be able to see it unless they are pushing an agenda.
We wouldn’t entertain a long ball before and they largely came from the keeper. Now we are having 3 times the amount of long balls, our possession has dropped off, our pass count has dropped considerably and we are far more direct.
There is a clear correlation with positive results vs less possession, passes and short pass % than what we were seeing in the early incarnation of the tactics.
4% long balls to 12.5% average is a complete about turn. To put that into perspective, under Cooper our average long ball % was somewhere between 12% and 14%.
Plan A isn’t just about possession, it’s about possession for possession sake, playing the ball in non threatening areas and sacrificing attacking intent to satisfy it with a refusal to play long. Keeping a good chunk of possession doesn’t mean this is plan A.
This is as far away from plan A as you can get while still playing a possession game. It’s not even comparable. | |
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 14:25 - Oct 21 with 825 views | magicdaps10 |
The plan on day 1 with Martin was to get the team playing as it is today, was never going to happen overnight nor was the style going to happen straight away.
Its bordering on morale high ground that they were correct to call him out at the start when he hadn't even had the time to implement the style he was aiming... Fast forward now and it's been spun that Martin has now adapted his style rather than those posters admit that they were wrong to be impatient at such an early stage.
I congratulate the one or two have said that they were wrong and have since been Suprised. I can't stress how often myself and others said that they have to give him time and be patient and it's clear that we are seeing the work come to fruition and those who argued are now clearly twisting it as they now see the plan coming together.
You need to walk before you can run so the passing had to be implemented first and then the other aspects added from there. The plan is to dominate possession and pass the ball around the opposition with our fitness being as best it can be to clearly take advantage as the game goes on.... Be that final pass short or even long, was all part of the plan that Martin had the first day he set foot in the club... Its a shame that many were not open minded enough or even patient enough to realise this early on.
Give him time and be patient were the words.... Seems the ones who were told this now realise without wanting to be honest with themselves can now see the work coming together.
Keep it going Russell Martin as even these posters are coming on side even if they admit it or not.
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 14:32 - Oct 21 with 805 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 14:25 - Oct 21 by magicdaps10 |
The plan on day 1 with Martin was to get the team playing as it is today, was never going to happen overnight nor was the style going to happen straight away.
Its bordering on morale high ground that they were correct to call him out at the start when he hadn't even had the time to implement the style he was aiming... Fast forward now and it's been spun that Martin has now adapted his style rather than those posters admit that they were wrong to be impatient at such an early stage.
I congratulate the one or two have said that they were wrong and have since been Suprised. I can't stress how often myself and others said that they have to give him time and be patient and it's clear that we are seeing the work come to fruition and those who argued are now clearly twisting it as they now see the plan coming together.
You need to walk before you can run so the passing had to be implemented first and then the other aspects added from there. The plan is to dominate possession and pass the ball around the opposition with our fitness being as best it can be to clearly take advantage as the game goes on.... Be that final pass short or even long, was all part of the plan that Martin had the first day he set foot in the club... Its a shame that many were not open minded enough or even patient enough to realise this early on.
Give him time and be patient were the words.... Seems the ones who were told this now realise without wanting to be honest with themselves can now see the work coming together.
Keep it going Russell Martin as even these posters are coming on side even if they admit it or not.
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If that was the case then we wouldn’t have seen 800 passes and 4% long balls. The plan was clearly to pad the stats sheet like he did at MK Dons and get the team noticed.
At League 1 level you can get away with it, relatively. He still only managed 13th so he was clearly getting caught out with it then too. But at Championship level that sort of game plan will get eaten, chewed and spat out in an instant - and it was.
Judging from the comments that have transpired recently, plus some of the things that certain posters who know some players said previously - there does appear that there was a bit of a player revolt due to this unreasonable and unworkable way of playing. It may explain the Whittaker omission? But that’s just a guess.
After the Bristol game it seems like things came to a head after the players took it on themselves to get our first result and show Martin that his way wasn’t working. Since then we have seen a fair change of style, long ball become more prevalent, we were more direct and we heavily reduced our pass count which was largely just to keep possession in unthreatening areas.
All that has now gone. This certainly would not have been the way Martin was intending to play when he first arrived, I can assure of that.
What has impressed me is his willingness to learn on the job, listen and adapt.
Everyone knows this deep down, they just don’t want to cede ground to those who called it early on. Not that it was particularly difficult to see.
*** We have seen 4% long balls multiple times this season. Anyone want a gentleman’s pride bet that we never see it ever again under Martin? ***
I will even give you another % to add on and go 5% or less. I assure you it won’t happen, that plan is dead and buried.
Open to all… not that anyone ever has the courage to go against me and back their claims of course. I live in hope. [Post edited 21 Oct 2021 14:52]
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 15:14 - Oct 21 with 773 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 14:16 - Oct 21 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I do not buy the concept that Swansea are succeeding after Martin was forced by results to compromise his principles. Martin has clearly laid out his methods and stated the players were not used to his style and did not have the necessary fitness to execute his style successfully. He stated that the methods would work once practised with players achieving greater fitness. This appears to be the case after the international break where he pretty much had a full roster.
Some posters have linked Swansea game where the Martin game was not executed well as "Plan A". This plan A is self defined by the poster not Martin. Why would Martin bring in Flynn Downes and fight to keep Grimes if long balls were off the agenda?. Not complaints from Martin over tactics in the last two games. Quite the reverse in fact. Long balls and possession control.
he also stated that possession control would leave the opposing team tiring not his. This had also transpired.
Patterson along with other players is playing differently as highlighted by Martin and and the pundit on Quest. He is not being asked to track back. Both Patterson and Piroe are scoring in the second half.
For me Martin is delivering what he promised, not learning by his mistakes although he is doing that as well. His star players are the newcomers Piroe, Patterson, Downdes Laird not the Cooperball favourites. Walsh, Obafemi, Williams and Ntcham are yet to fully show their quality. I expect them to deliver in the coming months.
When the recruitment is right and transfer cash reinvested why worry about player sales? Roberts, Rodon, McBurnie who needs them? |
If memory serves Martin's complaints against Bristol City were due to how we defended the lead, we went into kick and rush mode, clearing lines without looking for a pass. He said he understood it as we needed the monkey off our back to get first win.
Yesterday we didn't do that, we kept control of the ball until the last whistle as we worked it up right flank. That's how to see games out. The difference in us now from then is clear for anyone to see. Managed properly. [Post edited 21 Oct 2021 15:14]
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 15:20 - Oct 21 with 762 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 15:14 - Oct 21 by 34dfgdf54 |
If memory serves Martin's complaints against Bristol City were due to how we defended the lead, we went into kick and rush mode, clearing lines without looking for a pass. He said he understood it as we needed the monkey off our back to get first win.
Yesterday we didn't do that, we kept control of the ball until the last whistle as we worked it up right flank. That's how to see games out. The difference in us now from then is clear for anyone to see. Managed properly. [Post edited 21 Oct 2021 15:14]
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We led early, within 20 mins - the complaints from Martin would have been in relation to essentially the entirety of the match then as we defended it for 70+ mins.
It was this lack of clearing the lines that got us into so much trouble prior to that game, and of course the refusal to go long and yet the ball being in the defensive third so often meant that Piroe was often starved of the ball and when he eventually got it the defence was already set.
He is a player that likes the ball through and over the top, they will largely come from longer balls. He was clearly frustrated at that way of playing and of course our attacking threat notably suffered, doesn’t take a genus to work out why.
I’m convinced that since the players made it clear in no uncertain terms, there has been a pretty sensible compromise. The game plans have become far more sensible and the players seem happier, it couldn’t go on the way it was. | |
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 15:28 - Oct 21 with 762 views | magicdaps10 |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 15:20 - Oct 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
We led early, within 20 mins - the complaints from Martin would have been in relation to essentially the entirety of the match then as we defended it for 70+ mins.
It was this lack of clearing the lines that got us into so much trouble prior to that game, and of course the refusal to go long and yet the ball being in the defensive third so often meant that Piroe was often starved of the ball and when he eventually got it the defence was already set.
He is a player that likes the ball through and over the top, they will largely come from longer balls. He was clearly frustrated at that way of playing and of course our attacking threat notably suffered, doesn’t take a genus to work out why.
I’m convinced that since the players made it clear in no uncertain terms, there has been a pretty sensible compromise. The game plans have become far more sensible and the players seem happier, it couldn’t go on the way it was. |
Show me a link where the players made a stance in as you say no uncertain terms?
Without that proof then you need to stop the stirring and I don't want you quoting AC as we all know he has the knives out for Martin. | |
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 15:29 - Oct 21 with 762 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 15:20 - Oct 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
We led early, within 20 mins - the complaints from Martin would have been in relation to essentially the entirety of the match then as we defended it for 70+ mins.
It was this lack of clearing the lines that got us into so much trouble prior to that game, and of course the refusal to go long and yet the ball being in the defensive third so often meant that Piroe was often starved of the ball and when he eventually got it the defence was already set.
He is a player that likes the ball through and over the top, they will largely come from longer balls. He was clearly frustrated at that way of playing and of course our attacking threat notably suffered, doesn’t take a genus to work out why.
I’m convinced that since the players made it clear in no uncertain terms, there has been a pretty sensible compromise. The game plans have become far more sensible and the players seem happier, it couldn’t go on the way it was. |
Other way round, Piroe was told in no uncertain terms his workrate had to improve hence him not featuring at the start of Martin's reign.
<< “He’s a really honest person so it’s really nice. You know what you have with him and he will say what he thinks about you, what he thinks is best for the team.
“I have a feeling that he really gives the team confidence, so that’s why I think we can play the way we play.” >>
This is headed up by Martin and his coaching staff, Kory Smith said in his pre game media duties, Piroe is saying it, and Martin is saying it. The players are buying into it, big time. You carry on telling yourself that the players are running the show here though. | | | |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 15:41 - Oct 21 with 741 views | magicdaps10 |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 15:29 - Oct 21 by 34dfgdf54 |
Other way round, Piroe was told in no uncertain terms his workrate had to improve hence him not featuring at the start of Martin's reign.
<< “He’s a really honest person so it’s really nice. You know what you have with him and he will say what he thinks about you, what he thinks is best for the team.
“I have a feeling that he really gives the team confidence, so that’s why I think we can play the way we play.” >>
This is headed up by Martin and his coaching staff, Kory Smith said in his pre game media duties, Piroe is saying it, and Martin is saying it. The players are buying into it, big time. You carry on telling yourself that the players are running the show here though. |
It's total lies, he has just jumped on the lies from AC to use it as a tool to justify something he has said.
Its disgusting that this is being filtered in by him after 2 good results and the feel good factor coming back... Its wrong and goes below the belt for me.
Without any proof then he needs to shut up, there will be no proof as it's total lies. | |
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| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 16:04 - Oct 21 with 722 views | swan_si |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 15:41 - Oct 21 by magicdaps10 |
It's total lies, he has just jumped on the lies from AC to use it as a tool to justify something he has said.
Its disgusting that this is being filtered in by him after 2 good results and the feel good factor coming back... Its wrong and goes below the belt for me.
Without any proof then he needs to shut up, there will be no proof as it's total lies. |
He's a student of the game don't you know.  |  | | |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 16:27 - Oct 21 with 697 views | magicdaps10 |
| Russell Martin... Take a bow. on 16:04 - Oct 21 by swan_si |
He's a student of the game don't you know. |
Until he shows some proof on such a damning allegation then he needs to shut up.
If he is going to play games like this then he needs to back them up otherwise the finger is pointed at this site for spreading rumours. | |
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