| Evans 10:47 - Jan 4 with 33422 views | batfink |
Just heard on 5 live Ched Evans is signing for a league 1 club |  | | |  |
| Evans on 16:29 - Jan 4 with 2586 views | D_Alien |
| Evans on 16:01 - Jan 4 by SuddenLad |
At the moment, Evans is only part way through his sentence. He served half in prison, the remainder is on licence.
Once his sentence is fully served, it's a dead issue, but untll that day comes, it will be a quagmire of moral and ethical opinions, choices and decisions. There are no winners - only losers, because the publicity will all be hugely negative towards all parties. Family club image - gone in a flash. |
Thanks for the correction about where Evans stands in serving his sentence. He hasn't expressed remorse or a wish to get his career back so he can start paying taxes by way of further reparation, and may never do even if his appeal fails.
I feel that he should be required to pay something back to society; not just Evans but that our criminal justice system should be more geared towards reparation to society including financial reparation through unpaid work and/or taxation, rather than the taxpayer having to continually fork out to keep criminals in prison. God knows, we've got better things to pay for!
From that point of view, the sooner he starts paying tax the better as far as I'm concerned, and as much as his talents will allow. It also wouldn't go amiss if some reparation was automatically siphoned towards victims, whose lives might still be overshadowed by events but who at least might then feel that justice was more personal and less arbitrary.
tbh I fully understand there will be many people who couldn't care less about any of the above points, and simply don't want to see Evans anywhere near a football ground again. I'm simply explaining why I do. |  |
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| Evans on 16:39 - Jan 4 with 2512 views | nordenblue |
| Evans on 16:29 - Jan 4 by D_Alien |
Thanks for the correction about where Evans stands in serving his sentence. He hasn't expressed remorse or a wish to get his career back so he can start paying taxes by way of further reparation, and may never do even if his appeal fails.
I feel that he should be required to pay something back to society; not just Evans but that our criminal justice system should be more geared towards reparation to society including financial reparation through unpaid work and/or taxation, rather than the taxpayer having to continually fork out to keep criminals in prison. God knows, we've got better things to pay for!
From that point of view, the sooner he starts paying tax the better as far as I'm concerned, and as much as his talents will allow. It also wouldn't go amiss if some reparation was automatically siphoned towards victims, whose lives might still be overshadowed by events but who at least might then feel that justice was more personal and less arbitrary.
tbh I fully understand there will be many people who couldn't care less about any of the above points, and simply don't want to see Evans anywhere near a football ground again. I'm simply explaining why I do. |
Theres a petition already doing the rounds with apparently thousands of names against Oldham signing Evans so the circus rolls on it seems |  | | |
| Evans on 16:40 - Jan 4 with 2510 views | MoonyDale |
| Evans on 16:14 - Jan 4 by 1907 |
No I understand the point entirely. However over the course of a season, 20/30 Rochdale fans boycotting one game isn't going to change a right lot, apart from having a negative impact on supporting our players at a time they need it most. Again, that is idiotic! |
It is about as idiotic as me saying you by attending the game are financially supporting a rapist, it is a personal choice by some Daleys not to attend and looking at their forum the choice of many who will not be attending. That will indeed have some financial impact on Oldham, you see it differently fair enough but to label those with a differing view as idiotic is a tad out of order. |  |
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| Evans on 16:46 - Jan 4 with 2482 views | Daley_Lama |
I just did a one minute timing on the petition against this.
272 signatures in 1 minute. |  |
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| Evans on 17:13 - Jan 4 with 2426 views | SuddenLad |
| Evans on 16:46 - Jan 4 by Daley_Lama |
I just did a one minute timing on the petition against this.
272 signatures in 1 minute. |
The fact that the Oldham Board of Directors have (allegedly) said that the opinions of their supporters is not a consideration when deciding whether to sign Evans, renders the petition futile.
That said, it will at least let the Board know the feelings of those who stump up their money week-in week-out.
What you can never know, is how many signatories are actually Oldham supporters and how many are simply jumping on a bandwagon. |  |
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| Evans on 17:29 - Jan 4 with 2348 views | JimmyRustler |
Did any of you ever think about boycotting Notts County away when Hughes was playing? Would you boycott the game if we drew Plymouth because McCormick is playing for them?
Inb4 'rape is worse than what the above two players did' comments.
The amount of media coverage that Evans potential route back into football is generating is a joke and is bandwagoners galore. I couldn't give a shit who signs him as long as it isn't my club and if they did then I'd have to grin and bear it wouldn't i? |  | | |
| Evans on 17:33 - Jan 4 with 2326 views | DomDale |
There are some strange reactions in the footballing world to Evans vs their lack of reaction to other players with criminal records.
At risk of sounding like I am trying to play convictions Top Trumps, there are players out there who have killed and seriously assaulted others (sometimes numerous serious assault charges) who are still playing and haven't had the backlash this player had had. Is killing someone worse than rape? Does one crime warrant a second chance and the other not?
Look at Joey Barton ffs he assaulted quite a few of his team mates at city including placing a lit cigar into a lads eye. Guy's a thug, another career and he would have thrown it all away but he's still raking it in. No petitions for him to stop playing.
Personally, I do believe in criminal rehabilitation whatever the offenders walk of life. Ched Evans will obviously work again, he's a talented person & he isn't going to end up on the dole it was just so obvious he'd end up at Oldham. |  |
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| Evans on 17:34 - Jan 4 with 2317 views | MoonyDale |
| Evans on 17:29 - Jan 4 by JimmyRustler |
Did any of you ever think about boycotting Notts County away when Hughes was playing? Would you boycott the game if we drew Plymouth because McCormick is playing for them?
Inb4 'rape is worse than what the above two players did' comments.
The amount of media coverage that Evans potential route back into football is generating is a joke and is bandwagoners galore. I couldn't give a shit who signs him as long as it isn't my club and if they did then I'd have to grin and bear it wouldn't i? |
Yep never went to Notts Cheaty and wouldn't go anywhere Evans went to play. Personal choice and one I don't have to justify to anyone. The point about him coming here is moot, wouldn't happen with those we have at the helm.....Thank god. | |
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| Evans on 17:39 - Jan 4 with 2283 views | ChaffRAFC |
The I love Royton Facebook page is making interesting reading with a staggering amount of people being quite happy for him to sign for them. It's really quite bemusing. I'd want him nowhere near our club and the post that 442Dale quoted further up the page is absolutely spot on! |  |
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| Evans on 17:42 - Jan 4 with 2261 views | macro |
Hughes had the murderer chant thrown at him at every away game even years later. Evans is going to have a very thick skin for a significant period if time |  | | |
| Evans on 17:43 - Jan 4 with 2259 views | D_Alien |
| Evans on 17:34 - Jan 4 by MoonyDale |
Yep never went to Notts Cheaty and wouldn't go anywhere Evans went to play. Personal choice and one I don't have to justify to anyone. The point about him coming here is moot, wouldn't happen with those we have at the helm.....Thank god. |
Would that still apply if his appeal was successful and the "guilty of rape" verdict overturned?
That'd leave Evans in the same category as (for instance) most of the Man U squad who were alleged to have spent a night "roasting" in a hotel a few years back. And possibly in the same category as a player from every squad in the football pyramid - we all know what young men get up to on night's out, as do plenty of young women.
As I said in an earlier thread, that'd leave every football ground in the country empty.
As things stand, he's guilty with sufficient doubt for there to be an appeal.
So would people change their minds if found not guilty, or not? | |
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| Evans on 17:51 - Jan 4 with 2213 views | ColDale |
Evans has got every right to continue with his football career. But football fans have equally got the right to stand up and make clear to their club's owners that it should not be at their club. |  | | |
| Evans on 17:53 - Jan 4 with 2205 views | MoonyDale |
| Evans on 17:43 - Jan 4 by D_Alien |
Would that still apply if his appeal was successful and the "guilty of rape" verdict overturned?
That'd leave Evans in the same category as (for instance) most of the Man U squad who were alleged to have spent a night "roasting" in a hotel a few years back. And possibly in the same category as a player from every squad in the football pyramid - we all know what young men get up to on night's out, as do plenty of young women.
As I said in an earlier thread, that'd leave every football ground in the country empty.
As things stand, he's guilty with sufficient doubt for there to be an appeal.
So would people change their minds if found not guilty, or not? |
If and when an appeal is heard and if the verdict was overturned then my position would change. He has at present been found guilty and served a term in prison for a vile crime, he should be allowed to resume any career he chooses but that doesn't mean I have to hand over money to his club and in turn to him. I wouldn't berate anyone else for doing so as it's their choice. | |
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| Evans on 17:58 - Jan 4 with 2184 views | BrighouseDale |
| Evans on 17:43 - Jan 4 by D_Alien |
Would that still apply if his appeal was successful and the "guilty of rape" verdict overturned?
That'd leave Evans in the same category as (for instance) most of the Man U squad who were alleged to have spent a night "roasting" in a hotel a few years back. And possibly in the same category as a player from every squad in the football pyramid - we all know what young men get up to on night's out, as do plenty of young women.
As I said in an earlier thread, that'd leave every football ground in the country empty.
As things stand, he's guilty with sufficient doubt for there to be an appeal.
So would people change their minds if found not guilty, or not? |
Regardless of whether he's guilty of rape, he still took a drunk young woman to a hotel room and shagged her, while he was in a relationship with another girl. "Boys will be boys" is not an excuse here. Me and my mates love to go out on the pi$$, but we've never put ourselves in a situation where we could be accused of rape. We all have our own moral compass but in my eyes Ched Evans is a seedy character who is now extremely hard to like. Rochdale AFC is well known as a family club, and if we signed a player with a reputation like his I would not be happy in the slightest.
I think we're all old enough to know that not all footballers are angels. They're young men earning a lot of money, and they're bound to attract female attention on nights out. However, if it came to light that Matty Done or Jamie Allen had been as stupid / wicked as Ched Evans, I'd seriously have to consider paying to see a game while they were in the squad. |  |
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| Evans on 18:00 - Jan 4 with 2083 views | JimmyRustler |
I can only assume that much more is being made of the Evans situation than any other similar previous scenario because of the fact that rape is seen throughout society as a more emotional, direct and evocative crime as opposed to the driving offences that McCormick and Hughes were done for (not meaning to trivialise what they did by that choice of words btw).
Is there any other reason as to why this is the case cause I can't quite get my head around it? | | | |
| Evans on 18:01 - Jan 4 with 2073 views | Bobbyjoe |
| Evans on 17:43 - Jan 4 by D_Alien |
Would that still apply if his appeal was successful and the "guilty of rape" verdict overturned?
That'd leave Evans in the same category as (for instance) most of the Man U squad who were alleged to have spent a night "roasting" in a hotel a few years back. And possibly in the same category as a player from every squad in the football pyramid - we all know what young men get up to on night's out, as do plenty of young women.
As I said in an earlier thread, that'd leave every football ground in the country empty.
As things stand, he's guilty with sufficient doubt for there to be an appeal.
So would people change their minds if found not guilty, or not? |
Yes. And even if his appeal fails, he can retake his place in society, having paid his debt, but only if he acknowledges his wrongdoing, otherwise he remains a threat to all women. As things stand he should not even be at large in society except under constant supervision. | | | |
| Evans on 18:04 - Jan 4 with 2051 views | BrighouseDale |
And anyone arguing that "once you've served your sentence you should be able to go back to your chosen career". I don't think it's as black and white as that; teachers, doctors, social workers, childminders, dentists, etc etc. Who in those professions would really employ a convicted rapist? | |
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| Evans on 18:06 - Jan 4 with 2040 views | ColDale |
| Evans on 18:00 - Jan 4 by JimmyRustler |
I can only assume that much more is being made of the Evans situation than any other similar previous scenario because of the fact that rape is seen throughout society as a more emotional, direct and evocative crime as opposed to the driving offences that McCormick and Hughes were done for (not meaning to trivialise what they did by that choice of words btw).
Is there any other reason as to why this is the case cause I can't quite get my head around it? |
I'd say that in the case of McCormick and Hughes, it was less of a premeditated act. Neither set out to do what they did. | | | |
| Evans on 18:07 - Jan 4 with 2024 views | MoonyDale |
| Evans on 18:00 - Jan 4 by JimmyRustler |
I can only assume that much more is being made of the Evans situation than any other similar previous scenario because of the fact that rape is seen throughout society as a more emotional, direct and evocative crime as opposed to the driving offences that McCormick and Hughes were done for (not meaning to trivialise what they did by that choice of words btw).
Is there any other reason as to why this is the case cause I can't quite get my head around it? |
Think you've pretty much got that spot on, it is seen as a more emotional crime for sure. Like I said I don't ever seeing us contemplating signing someone with that hanging over his head. I have 2 daughters the youngest of which works up at the Dale, if we were to sign him then I would not go through the turnstiles again and my youngest would be quitting..... | |
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| Evans on 18:09 - Jan 4 with 2006 views | BrighouseDale |
| Evans on 18:00 - Jan 4 by JimmyRustler |
I can only assume that much more is being made of the Evans situation than any other similar previous scenario because of the fact that rape is seen throughout society as a more emotional, direct and evocative crime as opposed to the driving offences that McCormick and Hughes were done for (not meaning to trivialise what they did by that choice of words btw).
Is there any other reason as to why this is the case cause I can't quite get my head around it? |
Drink driving vs rape. Both offences ruin / endanger lives. But if you had a choice out of two interview candidates, both with the exact same qualifications, would you sooner employ the rapist or the drink driver? | |
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| Evans on 18:11 - Jan 4 with 1993 views | JimmyRustler |
| Evans on 18:06 - Jan 4 by ColDale |
I'd say that in the case of McCormick and Hughes, it was less of a premeditated act. Neither set out to do what they did. |
Rape can be opportunistic though. I know the issue of intent may be a factor but irregardless of that, people lost their lives in those cases. I know this young woman's life may well have been ruined but at least she has a chance to recover. There may also be the issue of McCormick and Hughes' crimes being more easily relatable (as horrible as that sounds). That really shouldn't matter though. | | | |
| Evans on 18:15 - Jan 4 with 1971 views | bennersdale |
If the Biffos do sign him then im afraid I wont be spending £22 to pay towards his wages in the rearranged fixture at theirs later this month. |  |
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| Evans on 18:15 - Jan 4 with 1971 views | JimmyRustler |
| Evans on 18:09 - Jan 4 by BrighouseDale |
Drink driving vs rape. Both offences ruin / endanger lives. But if you had a choice out of two interview candidates, both with the exact same qualifications, would you sooner employ the rapist or the drink driver? |
It isn't as cut and dry as that though in this case because it resulted in loss of life. I suppose you could argue the only difference between drink driving and what happened is the eventuality but even so, that's almost saying that you're unlucky if you kill someone whilst intoxicated behind the wheel and that's of course a ridiculous sentiment | | | |
| Evans on 18:15 - Jan 4 with 1971 views | scooby |
| Evans on 18:11 - Jan 4 by JimmyRustler |
Rape can be opportunistic though. I know the issue of intent may be a factor but irregardless of that, people lost their lives in those cases. I know this young woman's life may well have been ruined but at least she has a chance to recover. There may also be the issue of McCormick and Hughes' crimes being more easily relatable (as horrible as that sounds). That really shouldn't matter though. |
a chance to recover her life while Evans is being well paid and denying any wrong doing? How when its being rubbed in her face can she recover? (assuming its all as simple as you suggest)
Have you got a daughter? How would you feel if a boy being a boy did this to your daughter? | | | |
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