| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport 07:56 - Mar 22 with 26880 views | bosh67 |
Numbers injured, just up on the news. |  |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 23:06 - Mar 23 with 1697 views | loftboy |
One sure thing, this post has now reached 9 pages and I will bet anything you ask that before the end of the summer there will be numerous more threads along the Same lines :( |  |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 23:07 - Mar 23 with 1697 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 22:45 - Mar 23 by derbyhoop |
I don't think the Belgian Intelligence Services or police come out of this very well. They've known that there is a problem on their doorstep (Moelenbeek, in particular) and don't appear to have much of an insight into potential terrorist threats.
Cross border collaboration between the security services is a must when faced with such a threat but I feel a good deal safer in the UK than I would in Belgium. And, I was seriously looking at working in Belgium last year. Today, I'm grateful that I didn't. |
The odds of you being killed by terrorism, in Belgium or otherwise are minute.
Take these incidents with a pinch of salt, and live your life.
Otherwise you might as well be scared of tea cosies, which are deadlier than terrorists.
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 23:29 - Mar 23 with 1665 views | HollowayRanger |
Went to brussles in 2006 could not believe have many muslims lived there felt as if the city population was 50/50 and that was 10 years ago
there was no trouble then but somethings changed
just back today from my trip to naples one flight cancelled on departure board.....brussles oh so sad, my last trip was to rome in November again saw the paris attacks on news while there
it will be our turn again soon and there will be no end to it as they just don't care about life all they want to do is destroy us and our way of life
we aint got a hope of stopping them but it would help if we stop letting hide behind human rights and deported anyone supporting in any form Islamic state
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35884915 [Post edited 23 Mar 2016 23:30]
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 23:35 - Mar 23 with 1652 views | HollowayRanger |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 23:07 - Mar 23 by BazzaInTheLoft |
The odds of you being killed by terrorism, in Belgium or otherwise are minute.
Take these incidents with a pinch of salt, and live your life.
Otherwise you might as well be scared of tea cosies, which are deadlier than terrorists.
Just my advice anyway. |
that's why they call it TERRORrism
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 01:33 - Mar 24 with 1602 views | timcocking |
What I don't like, we know beforehand exactly who all these people are, but we don't do anything about them. I'd like to see the SAS go in at night and execute the motherfcukers in their beds without trial. And then I'd like to see them execute that fcuking lawyer who's defending him.
Nothing against nice muslims whatsoever, I live in a muslim area, they are nothing to do with these scumbags. I think everybody realizes that, whatever the rhetoric. But anybody who ends up on our lists as suspected terrorists, wipe them straight out. And while they're at it, wipe out all the known repeat sex offenders. And then go for John Terry. |  | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 01:57 - Mar 24 with 1596 views | Aitch |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 22:45 - Mar 23 by derbyhoop |
I don't think the Belgian Intelligence Services or police come out of this very well. They've known that there is a problem on their doorstep (Moelenbeek, in particular) and don't appear to have much of an insight into potential terrorist threats.
Cross border collaboration between the security services is a must when faced with such a threat but I feel a good deal safer in the UK than I would in Belgium. And, I was seriously looking at working in Belgium last year. Today, I'm grateful that I didn't. |
Saw an interview with one of the top Belgium cops last week and they said they just didn't have the resources to watch everyone on their suspect list.
When you watch the news and see the endless streams of fighting age, unaccompanied men streaming across Europe's borders each day you can't help but wonder how any security force is supposed to keep tabs on all the potential terrorists. Thank fck we're an island and not quite as vulnerable as mainland Europe. |  |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 02:45 - Mar 24 with 1587 views | Pommyhoop |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 01:57 - Mar 24 by Aitch |
Saw an interview with one of the top Belgium cops last week and they said they just didn't have the resources to watch everyone on their suspect list.
When you watch the news and see the endless streams of fighting age, unaccompanied men streaming across Europe's borders each day you can't help but wonder how any security force is supposed to keep tabs on all the potential terrorists. Thank fck we're an island and not quite as vulnerable as mainland Europe. |
<<<<<'When you watch the news and see the endless streams of fighting age, unaccompanied men streaming across Europe's borders each day you can't help but wonder how any security force is supposed to keep tabs on all the potential terrorists. Thank fck we're an island and not quite as vulnerable as mainland Europe.''>>>>>
Yep. This vid show's how easy it is.Like you say fighting age unaccompanied men just breezing through.
http://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/424815/one-syrian-refugees-journey-to-a-n |  |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 07:11 - Mar 24 with 1510 views | loftboy |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 23:29 - Mar 23 by HollowayRanger |
Went to brussles in 2006 could not believe have many muslims lived there felt as if the city population was 50/50 and that was 10 years ago
there was no trouble then but somethings changed
just back today from my trip to naples one flight cancelled on departure board.....brussles oh so sad, my last trip was to rome in November again saw the paris attacks on news while there
it will be our turn again soon and there will be no end to it as they just don't care about life all they want to do is destroy us and our way of life
we aint got a hope of stopping them but it would help if we stop letting hide behind human rights and deported anyone supporting in any form Islamic state
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35884915 [Post edited 23 Mar 2016 23:30]
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Many Isis supporters in this country are home grown so how can you.deport them (legally) [Post edited 24 Mar 2016 7:47]
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 07:44 - Mar 24 with 1477 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 07:50 - Mar 24 with 1461 views | CHUBBS |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 07:44 - Mar 24 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
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But we all know who controls the media,the same scum that run Hollywood and have systematically brain washed a whole nation.
It's all part of the problem reaction solution agenda they've been using for centuries,the world is fcucked and it has very little to do with Islam. |  | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 08:04 - Mar 24 with 1449 views | Pommyhoop |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 09:01 - Mar 24 with 1401 views | Brightonhoop |
Whilst we argue, dozens today still fight for their lives in critical condition. If they survive, life will never will never be the same for them again. Their crime? Going out to work on Tuesday.....
Unbelievably, one of them was deported from Turkey suspected of returning from Syria as a fighter. Turkey, for all its faults, shipped him out straight away. hy have the EU and UK not got systems in place to either do the same or isolate them, without trial if necessary. Whilst we dont, they will murder and maim with impunity.
It's a good thread, let's try not to see it get deleted. |  | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 09:15 - Mar 24 with 1384 views | Rangers67 |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 19:23 - Mar 23 by QPRDave |
I think belief that Islam will get "watered" down or less barbaric as time goes on is beyond wishful thinking. The extreme version that I S follow apparently is Wahabi .
Anyone see the documentary on ITV (tuesday night I think it was) using hidden cameras inside Saudi Arabia?
It's being churned out over there in schools, mosques and everyday life with a sort of religious police enforcing the population don't stray |
Yes I watched that Dave, frightening ! This is such a big problem that there is no easy answer to it I,m afraid and for a lot of people and their relatives its too late ( Paris, Brussels, London ). I like to think I take a fairly balanced view of the world and one thing that really gets me is this and previous governments failure to control who is coming into and out of this country. One of the most important things any government should do is protect its citizens, something our governments have all failed to do recently.
Take the situation of people going out to Syria or wherever to fight for ISIS and then being allowed back into this or other countries, absolute madness. Not only are we allowing citizens of this country to go abroad and potentially murder innocent people from another country, we then let them back into this country with all sorts of lunatic ideas in there head and who knows what skills they may have picked up.
The solutions to these problems are multi faceted but all religions are responsible over the course of history for being the root cause of conflict. I would start with education and ban ALL faith schools pronto. We also need some politicians who have some balls and implement policies that protect people in this country first and put the so called human rights of these lunatics second ( dream on ). Now I don,t want to come across as some sort of right wing nutter because my politics aren,t of that persuasion but there was a politician in the sixties who predicted all this and he was ridiculed.....but he was right ! |  | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 09:45 - Mar 24 with 1325 views | HollowayRanger |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 07:11 - Mar 24 by loftboy |
Many Isis supporters in this country are home grown so how can you.deport them (legally) [Post edited 24 Mar 2016 7:47]
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sadly very true
but id revoke their right to be british born here or not
if you are a supporter of those scum bags you are just one or two steps from joining them in a attack. i wouldn't wait for that to happen
id send them to south Georgia or the like if they wish to stay under our flag or middle east if they are such fans or pISs | |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 09:58 - Mar 24 with 1308 views | paulparker |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 09:45 - Mar 24 by HollowayRanger |
sadly very true
but id revoke their right to be british born here or not
if you are a supporter of those scum bags you are just one or two steps from joining them in a attack. i wouldn't wait for that to happen
id send them to south Georgia or the like if they wish to stay under our flag or middle east if they are such fans or pISs |
they should be nicked , if you have images of kids on your computer then you quite rightly get arrested, what's the difference if you have beheadings and the like on your lap top , why are these mosques allowed to preach there hate against the west , stop pussy footing around with these cnts , no doubt its against there human rights but I would round all these fcukers up and send them to Afghanistan then they can live like the stone age neanderthals that they crave to be , maybe then the rest of us can live a normal life and worry about only paying the bills and scrapping a few beer tokens together for a Saturday |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 10:23 - Mar 24 with 1815 views | Brightonhoop |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 09:58 - Mar 24 by paulparker |
they should be nicked , if you have images of kids on your computer then you quite rightly get arrested, what's the difference if you have beheadings and the like on your lap top , why are these mosques allowed to preach there hate against the west , stop pussy footing around with these cnts , no doubt its against there human rights but I would round all these fcukers up and send them to Afghanistan then they can live like the stone age neanderthals that they crave to be , maybe then the rest of us can live a normal life and worry about only paying the bills and scrapping a few beer tokens together for a Saturday |
One of the problems is that the ECHR isn't evolving to deal with current and future threats and leaves us all exposed to these knuts who just play the system.
Real danger is we throw the ECHR out, like the baby with the bath water, and we are then exposed to tyranical governments as a pox on the population. Numbers out a few days ago show thousands of disabled people have died within two weeks of benefits freezes so Cameron and Co have been referred to ECHR and rightly so, they've meanwhile bottled it and ditched further punitive measures against vulnerable people. So I'm not for ditching ECHR, but it has to evolve so that we can protect ourselves.
One of the easiest ways around the problem of terrorists coming in, is insisting Refugees have dual nationality, keeping there passports of country of origin whilst also giving genuine cases British Passports, so they can be deported if they turn out to be criminals, terrorists etc in the future. ECHR wont allow a person to become stateless so it is impossible almost to deport someone who is a proven threat, convicted etc as it stands many cannot ever be deported despite that being the law of the land.
There's several high risk people banged up in Belmarsh and have been for years, with no trial, no conviction, etc so I dont know why we dont isolate those who pose a clear risk anyway.
Ultimately ECHR and EU need to evolve and adapt to very different times to which the constitutions were written because they are so outdated they now risk being diteched altogether, and they only have influence because a) we are in the EU and b) if we come out of the EU UK will likely then ditech adherence to ECHR altogether so it risks no influence in the UK at all. IMHO it's a great piece of law making but because it hasn't adapted, allowing likes of Hamza to remain, it is now at risk of having no influence at all. | | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 10:43 - Mar 24 with 1771 views | Juzzie |
Absolutely, ECHR needs to evolve, and very quickly. Not next year or the year after but now.
Rules of any kind will also be circumnavigated and it's their responsibility to close these loopholes.
As I've said many times before, I'm all for controlled immigration, just like in Australia, Canada etc. People who can be a benefit to this country whilst themselves improving their own life are more than welcome.
However, upon coming here (same with asylum seekers) you sign a piece of paper that says you will abide by the laws of the land, just like everyone else who lives here has to. It's made absolutely clear that if you are convicted of a serious crime, you're out & sent back to your place of origin.
I couldn't give a fk if it's in the middle of a war zone, if you peddle drugs, are involved in organised crime, rape, burgalry, GBH, fraud, theft, hit & run etc etc then you simply cannot hide behind Human Rights. What about the rights of the victim whose life you've probably now made a misery? |  | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 11:00 - Mar 24 with 1741 views | kensalriser |
Very measured and an excellent piece of commentary.
I said earlier in this thread I find the reaction to the attacks as depressing as the attacks - this piece says the same, though more expansively. |  |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 11:26 - Mar 24 with 1696 views | paulparker |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 11:00 - Mar 24 by kensalriser |
Very measured and an excellent piece of commentary.
I said earlier in this thread I find the reaction to the attacks as depressing as the attacks - this piece says the same, though more expansively. |
We can respond to events in Brussels with a quiet and dignified sympathy, with candles and silences.
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| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 11:27 - Mar 24 with 1692 views | doogi55 |
let bring democracy to the middle east light blue touch paper and it blow up in your face.
the west never learns Iraq.libya Syria eygpy lets support the arab spring .ridculas policy | | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 11:28 - Mar 24 with 1692 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 11:00 - Mar 24 by kensalriser |
Very measured and an excellent piece of commentary.
I said earlier in this thread I find the reaction to the attacks as depressing as the attacks - this piece says the same, though more expansively. |
In Oz, our terrorist threat alert level was raised to 'probable' after the Paris attacks. I wonder how long we have to go without a terrorist incident here before someone concedes that maybe the threat wasn't a better than even chance.
And in case you think the government might be keeping quiet about a terrorist incident that they've prevented, think again. We have just started an election campaign and the right-wing government goes to bed every night praying for a terrorist incident that they can get tough on. |  |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 11:49 - Mar 24 with 1661 views | paulparker |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 11:28 - Mar 24 by isawqpratwcity |
In Oz, our terrorist threat alert level was raised to 'probable' after the Paris attacks. I wonder how long we have to go without a terrorist incident here before someone concedes that maybe the threat wasn't a better than even chance.
And in case you think the government might be keeping quiet about a terrorist incident that they've prevented, think again. We have just started an election campaign and the right-wing government goes to bed every night praying for a terrorist incident that they can get tough on. |
We have just started an election campaign and the right-wing government goes to bed every night praying for a terrorist incident that they can get tough on.
You maybe right , but this isn't all exclusive to the horrible "right wing " governments you know
I seemed to a remember a left wing prime minister from this country , oh blair that was his name , he got us into a war on the back of a terrorist attack in America and saying he was a 100% sure there were WMD , he even got a certain dr Kelly to kill himself | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 12:06 - Mar 24 with 1633 views | Pommyhoop |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 11:00 - Mar 24 by kensalriser |
Very measured and an excellent piece of commentary.
I said earlier in this thread I find the reaction to the attacks as depressing as the attacks - this piece says the same, though more expansively. |
''Very measured and an excellent piece of commentary.''
Seriously? I'd call that a classic piece of Guardianista.
I feel like I've been told to stand on the naughty step
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