| David Davis + Boris on 12:27 - Jul 23 with 2753 views | hopphoops |
| David Davis + Boris on 08:39 - Jul 23 by hubble |
And none of us have any idea of that. However, with now over a quarter of a million votes, from a poll that has been shared widely on Facebook - i.e. many remainers are likely to have been exposed to it, we cannot say it has no significance whatsoever. 250,000 legitimate votes (i.e. not bots or dupes) is a lot, by any stretch.
I suspect that perhaps some people don't like what it shows? |
You get information from Facebook
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| David Davis + Boris on 12:33 - Jul 23 with 2742 views | Cammington |
| David Davis + Boris on 08:39 - Jul 23 by hubble |
And none of us have any idea of that. However, with now over a quarter of a million votes, from a poll that has been shared widely on Facebook - i.e. many remainers are likely to have been exposed to it, we cannot say it has no significance whatsoever. 250,000 legitimate votes (i.e. not bots or dupes) is a lot, by any stretch.
I suspect that perhaps some people don't like what it shows? |
I think you're being terribly naive. |  | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 13:16 - Jul 23 with 2676 views | R_from_afar |
| David Davis + Boris on 23:37 - Jul 21 by GloryHunter |
David Davies saying "Brexit - time to start again" in the Express. Not online yet. |
Perhaps he thinks we should use one of those many different plans he lied about...
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| David Davis + Boris on 13:19 - Jul 23 with 2670 views | R_from_afar |
| David Davis + Boris on 10:16 - Jul 23 by stevec |
You missed out the final sentence...
'..And by the end of a Labour government we will have sent the entire country skint again' |
Come on, you know very well why the financial crisis occurred: The government had to step in when it turned out that those darlings of British business, our big banks, weren't very good at sums.
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| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| David Davis + Boris on 14:34 - Jul 23 with 2603 views | CiderwithRsie |
| David Davis + Boris on 10:03 - Jul 23 by QPR_John |
But it would have been if it had come out in favour of remaining. That's how it works is it not. |
No.It doesn't.
If you want to know what a proper opinion poll looks like check out http://ukpollingreport.co.uk on a regular basis. |  | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 15:51 - Jul 23 with 2552 views | Antti_Heinola |
yes, if there's one thing we've learned over the last few years, it's how reliable opinion polls are. |  |
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| David Davis + Boris on 20:06 - Jul 23 with 2434 views | CiderwithRsie |
| David Davis + Boris on 15:51 - Jul 23 by Antti_Heinola |
yes, if there's one thing we've learned over the last few years, it's how reliable opinion polls are. |
Much more than you might think, if you understand them and note
- margin of error
- the weighting decisions taken by individual pollsters
- the possibility of any one poll being a rogue
- that any poll is a snap-shot of a particular date and may not hold true even a few days later.
- some polling companies are crap, especially most of the ones in the USA
It also helps if you put more weight on trends than on absolute figures. All the polls in the run-up to the last GE showed strong swings to Labour compared to the start of the campaign, the question was "how strong?"
UKPR does for understanding opinion polls what Clive's match reports do for understanding our team. | | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 22:31 - Jul 23 with 2360 views | londonscottish |
| David Davis + Boris on 13:16 - Jul 23 by R_from_afar |
Perhaps he thinks we should use one of those many different plans he lied about...
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Davis was a right knobber.
But having said that this new Raab fellah has struck a chord with me by telling the EU to go hang for their £39bn if they don't actually make an effort to strike a deal.
Quite like that. |  |
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| David Davis + Boris on 01:51 - Jul 24 with 2307 views | bob566 |
Brexit is fascinating. Nobody can say what will happen until it does. What intrigues me is scotlands stance. Will they vote independece again post brexit and take whats left of the oil and gas and reenter eu. England with wales and NI is half the beast without the scots | | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 08:56 - Jul 24 with 2232 views | R_from_afar |
| David Davis + Boris on 01:51 - Jul 24 by bob566 |
Brexit is fascinating. Nobody can say what will happen until it does. What intrigues me is scotlands stance. Will they vote independece again post brexit and take whats left of the oil and gas and reenter eu. England with wales and NI is half the beast without the scots |
A very good point and one which I would find fascinating even if my wife were not Scottish.
The thing is, there is surely no way Scotland, or any other country for that matter, can be fast-tracked into the EU. There is a process, a thorough and pretty laborious one. Just ask countries like Montenegro; they have spent years waiting to be admitted.
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| David Davis + Boris on 10:28 - Jul 24 with 2178 views | isawqpratwcity |
| David Davis + Boris on 08:56 - Jul 24 by R_from_afar |
A very good point and one which I would find fascinating even if my wife were not Scottish.
The thing is, there is surely no way Scotland, or any other country for that matter, can be fast-tracked into the EU. There is a process, a thorough and pretty laborious one. Just ask countries like Montenegro; they have spent years waiting to be admitted.
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Scotland could easily be a special case: good infrastructure, potentially profitable economy, effectively already a compliant member state. It might be just what's needed after Brexit. |  |
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| David Davis + Boris on 10:34 - Jul 24 with 2183 views | Sharpy36 |
I bet there wouldn`t be much talk of the current red herring, a hard border. |  |
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| David Davis + Boris on 17:21 - Jul 24 with 2047 views | robith |
| David Davis + Boris on 10:28 - Jul 24 by isawqpratwcity |
Scotland could easily be a special case: good infrastructure, potentially profitable economy, effectively already a compliant member state. It might be just what's needed after Brexit. |
There is no way Spain will allow a regional national separatist movement to be fast tracked into the EU! |  | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 18:14 - Jul 24 with 2009 views | WestbourneR |
| David Davis + Boris on 10:03 - Jul 23 by QPR_John |
But it would have been if it had come out in favour of remaining. That's how it works is it not. |
Not very clever are you John?
Querying the reliability of a poll on FACEBOOK doesn’t feed into your imagined ‘remoaner’ conspiracy it’s just a well reasonsed legitmate point.
The fact your spit your dummy out every time you encountered reasoned argument probably explains why you think Brexit is a good idea.
I presume the no deal WTO plan is all good news as well? |  |
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| David Davis + Boris on 20:06 - Jul 24 with 1960 views | QPR_John |
| David Davis + Boris on 18:14 - Jul 24 by WestbourneR |
Not very clever are you John?
Querying the reliability of a poll on FACEBOOK doesn’t feed into your imagined ‘remoaner’ conspiracy it’s just a well reasonsed legitmate point.
The fact your spit your dummy out every time you encountered reasoned argument probably explains why you think Brexit is a good idea.
I presume the no deal WTO plan is all good news as well? |
Oh dear there you go again | | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 20:51 - Jul 24 with 1929 views | jonno |
| David Davis + Boris on 22:31 - Jul 23 by londonscottish |
Davis was a right knobber.
But having said that this new Raab fellah has struck a chord with me by telling the EU to go hang for their £39bn if they don't actually make an effort to strike a deal.
Quite like that. |
Which is probably why May has now pulled rank on him and taken over the negotiations! |  | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 20:57 - Jul 24 with 1923 views | Watford_Ranger |
| David Davis + Boris on 20:51 - Jul 24 by jonno |
Which is probably why May has now pulled rank on him and taken over the negotiations! |
It’s ambitious. The hard Brexiteers don’t really give a sht about their fellow Brexiteers or the other half of the population. It’s their suicide mission or else. | | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 21:35 - Jul 24 with 1882 views | Sharpy36 |
| David Davis + Boris on 20:57 - Jul 24 by Watford_Ranger |
It’s ambitious. The hard Brexiteers don’t really give a sht about their fellow Brexiteers or the other half of the population. It’s their suicide mission or else. |
What`s a "Hard Brexiteer" and a "Brexiteer" ?
We had one vote of which the question posed to the nation was quite clear and straight forward. Leave or stay, nothing to the right, nothing to the left. Soft and hard brexit are terms born from the media and those on the losing side who can`t accept democracy. Suicide mission, for Gods sake man get a grip. | |
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| David Davis + Boris on 21:51 - Jul 24 with 1861 views | kropotkin41 |
| David Davis + Boris on 21:35 - Jul 24 by Sharpy36 |
What`s a "Hard Brexiteer" and a "Brexiteer" ?
We had one vote of which the question posed to the nation was quite clear and straight forward. Leave or stay, nothing to the right, nothing to the left. Soft and hard brexit are terms born from the media and those on the losing side who can`t accept democracy. Suicide mission, for Gods sake man get a grip. |
Now we could examine this notion of "can't accept democracy" if you'd like:
1. We had a referendum and on the basis of the result we joined the EEC.
2. The 2016 referendum was a consultative referendum which in no way bound Parliament or the Government to Brexit.
3. No even half decently run representative democracy conducts crucial constitutional referendums on the basis of a simple majority. Such a change would normally, sensibly require a two thirds majority.
4. In case you haven't noticed or they didn't mention it in whichever newspaper you look at, the Leave campaign f*cking cheated. They overspent and that's the very least of it. Who is it that doesn't respect democracy?
5. Also, if the Leave side are so sure of their case then let's have a referendum on the "final deal" and see if we want it.......... because I tell you what you'll be struggling to find anything that was said by the Leave side in the referendum campaign that was actually true, so what did all the poor deluded f*ckers who voted Leave actually vote for? Other than, that is, to make c nuts like Rees-Mogg rich?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/24/no-deal-brexit-poorer-jaco [Post edited 24 Jul 2018 21:54]
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| David Davis + Boris on 22:10 - Jul 24 with 1831 views | Sharpy36 |
| David Davis + Boris on 21:51 - Jul 24 by kropotkin41 |
Now we could examine this notion of "can't accept democracy" if you'd like:
1. We had a referendum and on the basis of the result we joined the EEC.
2. The 2016 referendum was a consultative referendum which in no way bound Parliament or the Government to Brexit.
3. No even half decently run representative democracy conducts crucial constitutional referendums on the basis of a simple majority. Such a change would normally, sensibly require a two thirds majority.
4. In case you haven't noticed or they didn't mention it in whichever newspaper you look at, the Leave campaign f*cking cheated. They overspent and that's the very least of it. Who is it that doesn't respect democracy?
5. Also, if the Leave side are so sure of their case then let's have a referendum on the "final deal" and see if we want it.......... because I tell you what you'll be struggling to find anything that was said by the Leave side in the referendum campaign that was actually true, so what did all the poor deluded f*ckers who voted Leave actually vote for? Other than, that is, to make c nuts like Rees-Mogg rich?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/24/no-deal-brexit-poorer-jaco [Post edited 24 Jul 2018 21:54]
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"poor deluded f*ckers who voted Leave"
Oh bless
1) We never had a second vote then, or any vote on the way it all evolved over the previous 40 years. So why all of a sudden should we now reverse an old age trend ?
2) David cameron said at the time that the referendum result would be respected even repeating it in the door stop document.
3) Yeah ok
4) 625k as opposed to the Governments 9 mill
5) JRM next PM | |
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| David Davis + Boris on 22:11 - Jul 24 with 1827 views | QPR_Jim |
| David Davis + Boris on 21:35 - Jul 24 by Sharpy36 |
What`s a "Hard Brexiteer" and a "Brexiteer" ?
We had one vote of which the question posed to the nation was quite clear and straight forward. Leave or stay, nothing to the right, nothing to the left. Soft and hard brexit are terms born from the media and those on the losing side who can`t accept democracy. Suicide mission, for Gods sake man get a grip. |
No, hard and soft Brexit are terms used to describe various ways of leaving the EU which the referendum didn't consider. They didn't really want to delve into specifics as they'd rather Brexit was everything to everyone, a cure for all that ails you. Making that a reality is obviously impossible, but thankfully all those that were making promises are either not in power and skillfully avoided becoming leader of the Tories, so it's up to everyone else to sort it out. |  | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 22:21 - Jul 24 with 1817 views | Sharpy36 |
| David Davis + Boris on 22:11 - Jul 24 by QPR_Jim |
No, hard and soft Brexit are terms used to describe various ways of leaving the EU which the referendum didn't consider. They didn't really want to delve into specifics as they'd rather Brexit was everything to everyone, a cure for all that ails you. Making that a reality is obviously impossible, but thankfully all those that were making promises are either not in power and skillfully avoided becoming leader of the Tories, so it's up to everyone else to sort it out. |
care to explain the main definition of soft and hard then, so i`m clear. | |
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| David Davis + Boris on 22:25 - Jul 24 with 1813 views | BucksRanger |
| David Davis + Boris on 22:21 - Jul 24 by Sharpy36 |
care to explain the main definition of soft and hard then, so i`m clear. |
Soft - not really leaving.
Hard - leaving. |  | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 22:45 - Jul 24 with 1793 views | Sharpy36 |
| David Davis + Boris on 22:25 - Jul 24 by BucksRanger |
Soft - not really leaving.
Hard - leaving. |
Exactly | |
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