| David Davis + Boris on 20:28 - Jul 26 with 3050 views | jonno |
| David Davis + Boris on 17:38 - Jul 26 by Antti_Heinola |
what is your point? That Lineker is supporting remain because he gets paid a lot of money by the BBC and if we left the EU, he might lose his job or be paid less? Or that the BBC are forcing him to tweet his opposition? Either way, it's quite a weird point to make. and as I said, loads of people in this country rely on EU subsidies and the benefits of the EU for their work, yet plenty of them voted to leave.
Thanks for the link you put up full that was, at best, vague, with zero corroboration or explanation, and supported by a whopping 11 people. Having done a search myself, even the Mail and the Express haven't made claims as obviously exaggerated and obfuscating as that one.
Here's a better one: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36149789 |
Don't you think it's just possible that Lineker has taken that position exactly for those reasons? I'm saying it is a possibility. The link you provide is from the BBC so is hardly likely to be objective. The link I provided is figures provided in Parliament - albeit in 2008 - so would be correct at that time. |  | |  |
| David Davis + Boris on 20:35 - Jul 26 with 3041 views | Sharpy36 |
| David Davis + Boris on 19:12 - Jul 26 by derbyhoop |
It doesn't really matter. When somebody (Sharpy) claims he knew exactly what he was voting for, i don't see why I shouldn't challenge such a ludicrous claim. Christ, 2 years post-referendum you'd struggle to find a cabinet minister who understands a fraction of the challenges ahead. |
A "ludicrous claim", i voted for and still stand by the reasons then as now for us leaving the EU. I wasn`t that naive enough to not understand there would be large hurdles to navigate, but the trust to carry out that task was entrusted to the government albeit they`ve managed to fudge it up. As for your list, maybe you should have been shouting from the rooftops back in 2016 how not being in certain agencies and governing bodies which looking at the most important ones have countries from around the globe involved, instead of championing your stance of how you poor folk who live on the continent would be worse off. |  |
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| David Davis + Boris on 23:34 - Jul 26 with 2900 views | LythamR |
| David Davis + Boris on 20:26 - Jul 26 by QPR_John |
In your words:
“Surely the blessed EU would not stand by and see this country starve and it's sick die through lack of drugs”
Sure sounds like aid to me, but anyway if that’s not what you meant fair enough.
Sorry should have finished by adding "by holding up trade or applying arbitrary tariffs" but did not think it necessary
"We’ll no longer be part of the EU open skies agreement meaning there is no agreement for British planes to fly without new agreements"
Will there also be no agreement for EU planes to fly over our airspace. I assume you mean no agreement for British planes to fly over EU airspace. |
its a lot easier to fly around (avoid) UK airspace that it is to fly around Europe |  | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 23:44 - Jul 26 with 2886 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| David Davis + Boris on 09:51 - Jul 26 by stevec |
I'm curious what you define as anti fascist.
Are you going to go after Corbyn and Momentum for their views on the Jews? |
I know you are on a wind up, but the founder and leader of Momentum is Jewish. |  | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 23:51 - Jul 26 with 2878 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| David Davis + Boris on 23:44 - Jul 26 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I know you are on a wind up, but the founder and leader of Momentum is Jewish. |
Hang on! So you're saying that all Jewish people don't think the same way?  |  |
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| David Davis + Borisi on 00:08 - Jul 27 with 2853 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| David Davis + Borisi on 23:57 - Jul 26 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Nope.
I can’t see Karl Marx and Phillip Green getting on very well. [Post edited 27 Jul 2018 0:02]
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Celebrity Deathmatch - The Jews.
Could be onto a winner here ... | |
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| David Davis + Boris on 10:07 - Jul 27 with 2743 views | robith |
I'm not really one for the "Vote Leave cheated!" mob, and I don't think it made a material difference *but* the data today showing they ran dark ads on facebook during the period campaigning was suspended post Jo Cox's murder, some of which were styled "breaking news", is absolutely despicable
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| David Davis + Boris on 10:37 - Jul 27 with 2713 views | FDC |
| David Davis + Boris on 10:07 - Jul 27 by robith |
I'm not really one for the "Vote Leave cheated!" mob, and I don't think it made a material difference *but* the data today showing they ran dark ads on facebook during the period campaigning was suspended post Jo Cox's murder, some of which were styled "breaking news", is absolutely despicable
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Yeah i agree, I find Carole Cadwalladr's reporting on this stuff a bit sensationalist and ultimately unhelpful (see also the liberal response to absolutely everything that's happened in the past three years tbh), but some of the ads she was posting last night are fairly extraordinary.
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| David Davis + Boris on 10:59 - Jul 27 with 2688 views | robith |
| David Davis + Boris on 10:37 - Jul 27 by FDC |
Yeah i agree, I find Carole Cadwalladr's reporting on this stuff a bit sensationalist and ultimately unhelpful (see also the liberal response to absolutely everything that's happened in the past three years tbh), but some of the ads she was posting last night are fairly extraordinary.
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I concur on both fronts, she seems very mad her story wasn't a bigger deal, and also the liberal centre still refuse to do any self criticism of why they lost (everyone else is thick, and the other side cheated seem to be the only reasons they can muster).
But this stuff is proper beyond the pale | | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 11:03 - Jul 27 with 2675 views | BasingstokeR |
"Sensationalist" |  | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 11:59 - Jul 27 with 2629 views | Watford_Ranger |
| David Davis + Boris on 10:59 - Jul 27 by robith |
I concur on both fronts, she seems very mad her story wasn't a bigger deal, and also the liberal centre still refuse to do any self criticism of why they lost (everyone else is thick, and the other side cheated seem to be the only reasons they can muster).
But this stuff is proper beyond the pale |
The Remain campaign was atrocious bordering on arrogant. Leave played a blinder, dumbing down Brexit to make enough people believe ‘their’ Brexit was the one we’d go for ranging from a Norway model to the thickest of thick “immigrants what are takin ur jobs” brigade.
However, if Remain had predicted the last two years perfectly it would have just been written off as Project Fear. We’ll get trade deals done over a coffee. Nothing could be simpler, we were told. |  | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 12:05 - Jul 27 with 2621 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| David Davis + Boris on 11:59 - Jul 27 by Watford_Ranger |
The Remain campaign was atrocious bordering on arrogant. Leave played a blinder, dumbing down Brexit to make enough people believe ‘their’ Brexit was the one we’d go for ranging from a Norway model to the thickest of thick “immigrants what are takin ur jobs” brigade.
However, if Remain had predicted the last two years perfectly it would have just been written off as Project Fear. We’ll get trade deals done over a coffee. Nothing could be simpler, we were told. |
Do you mean played a blinder or paid a blinder? | | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 12:26 - Jul 27 with 2592 views | Watford_Ranger |
| David Davis + Boris on 12:05 - Jul 27 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Do you mean played a blinder or paid a blinder? |
I’d say touché but that might be considered unpatriotic in the new world unless we do a deal with France. | | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 13:57 - Jul 27 with 2536 views | Antti_Heinola |
| David Davis + Boris on 20:28 - Jul 26 by jonno |
Don't you think it's just possible that Lineker has taken that position exactly for those reasons? I'm saying it is a possibility. The link you provide is from the BBC so is hardly likely to be objective. The link I provided is figures provided in Parliament - albeit in 2008 - so would be correct at that time. |
Yes, it's possible. Just as it's *possible* I'm a chelsea fan, and I've been on here subtly winding up QPR fans for years, and been going to games for decades just to do a real proper job of being an undercover agent. It's possible. But it's highly, highly unlikely, isn't it?
Those figures, as i said, are extraordinarily vague, confusing and without any sort of explanation to clarify them. I don't think the fact someone provided it in parliament somehow makes it all real or any easier to decipher (all the stuff about loans and interest, for example). |  |
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| David Davis + Boris on 14:01 - Jul 27 with 2526 views | Antti_Heinola |
| David Davis + Boris on 11:59 - Jul 27 by Watford_Ranger |
The Remain campaign was atrocious bordering on arrogant. Leave played a blinder, dumbing down Brexit to make enough people believe ‘their’ Brexit was the one we’d go for ranging from a Norway model to the thickest of thick “immigrants what are takin ur jobs” brigade.
However, if Remain had predicted the last two years perfectly it would have just been written off as Project Fear. We’ll get trade deals done over a coffee. Nothing could be simpler, we were told. |
Remain had it tough. Cameron, a leader who couldn't win outright when he should've walked it (first time around), then did win outright when he thought he couldn't so made the stupid referendum pledge in the first place thinking the Lib Dems would block it because it would be another coalition, was the figurehead. A loser, basically, and the worst PM in living memory, which is incredible when you're following Gordon Brown (making it even more amazing that May has managed to be even worse). And all they can say is: 'this is better than the alternative, and we'll try to make it better', because any warning they gave was shouted down by, as you say, people yelling Project Fear. turns out, they didn't project enough fear, because this whole thing is a fkn catastrophe. | |
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| David Davis + Boris on 15:15 - Jul 27 with 2467 views | WestbourneR |
| David Davis + Boris on 13:57 - Jul 27 by Antti_Heinola |
Yes, it's possible. Just as it's *possible* I'm a chelsea fan, and I've been on here subtly winding up QPR fans for years, and been going to games for decades just to do a real proper job of being an undercover agent. It's possible. But it's highly, highly unlikely, isn't it?
Those figures, as i said, are extraordinarily vague, confusing and without any sort of explanation to clarify them. I don't think the fact someone provided it in parliament somehow makes it all real or any easier to decipher (all the stuff about loans and interest, for example). |
Antti mate you're being dangerously eloquent logical and reasonable.
This is Brexit. We're not interested in experts or basic economics.
All the signs that Brexit is a horrible disaster is actually a conspiracy by the likes of Gary Lineker to protect their pay packets. Don't you see? It's all so obvious! |  |
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| David Davis + Boris on 15:27 - Jul 27 with 2456 views | hopphoops |
| David Davis + Boris on 15:15 - Jul 27 by WestbourneR |
Antti mate you're being dangerously eloquent logical and reasonable.
This is Brexit. We're not interested in experts or basic economics.
All the signs that Brexit is a horrible disaster is actually a conspiracy by the likes of Gary Lineker to protect their pay packets. Don't you see? It's all so obvious! |
You're so naive, Gary's just a pawn, the EU has a programme to get ex-footballers into positions of influence to fight secessionist movements.
I hate to think what Gary Penrice gets up to on his furrin "scouting" missions. |  |
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| David Davis + Boris on 15:56 - Jul 27 with 2418 views | Mytch_QPR |
| David Davis + Boris on 15:27 - Jul 27 by hopphoops |
You're so naive, Gary's just a pawn, the EU has a programme to get ex-footballers into positions of influence to fight secessionist movements.
I hate to think what Gary Penrice gets up to on his furrin "scouting" missions. |
Do you mean to say that all of that time we though that Robbie Savage was just spouting absolute sh*te he was really putting out subtle and subliminal messages relating to a socialist agenda and warning against Brexit?
Now we know why he's still on the payroll of the EU puppets otherwise known as the BBC. |  |
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| David Davis + Boris on 15:59 - Jul 27 with 2409 views | WestbourneR |
Penrice, Savage and Lineker - in league with the EU - at last, it all falls into place. | |
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| David Davis + Boris on 16:00 - Jul 27 with 2409 views | TacticalR |
| David Davis + Boris on 15:27 - Jul 27 by hopphoops |
You're so naive, Gary's just a pawn, the EU has a programme to get ex-footballers into positions of influence to fight secessionist movements.
I hate to think what Gary Penrice gets up to on his furrin "scouting" missions. |
I don't know how many remember the 1970s referendum, but sportsmen (organised in David Coleman's 'Sportsmen for Europe') were a significant factor back then.
Winning in Europe: How Celebrities Won the 1975 Referendum
http://francobritishchamber.com/winning-in-europe-how-celebrities-won-the-1975-r
(nice picture of Thatch in her European jumper at the end) |  |
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| David Davis + Boris on 19:51 - Jul 27 with 2327 views | QPR_John |
| David Davis + Boris on 23:34 - Jul 26 by LythamR |
its a lot easier to fly around (avoid) UK airspace that it is to fly around Europe |
Not if you want to land | | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 21:32 - Jul 27 with 2293 views | GloryHunter |
I'm currently staying with in-laws in southern Germany, right on the Swiss border. The "Swiss model" has been suggested as a possibility for the UK after Brexit, so here are a few things I've observed over the past few days:
1. Food seems to be much more expensive in Switzerland - especially meat, which some people say is 4x dearer. The German supermarket car parks have lots of of Swiss-registered cars in them.
2. You can only take 1 kg of meat from Germany to Switzerland - if you get caught with more, it gets confiscated and you get fined.
3. We saw cars being stopped and searched on the Swiss side of the border.
4. Petrol and diesel are more expensive in Switzerland than Germany.
5. Went clothes shopping today - big hold up at the tills with Swiss people buying lots of clothes and filling in forms so that they can re-claim the VAT when they cross the customs. German friends have said this can create hold-ups at the customs border too, but I haven't noticed this.
6. Maternity leave in Switzerland is apparently only 6 weeks; then the mother has to go back to work, or give up her job.
7. Sick pay in Switzerland is apparently very limited - heard about a woman who broke her leg and lost her job.
I know there's a Swiss R's poster on here, so I'm happy to be corrected if I've got any of this wrong. But I must say a lot of this has surprised me - especially the maternity and sick pay stuff. And of course if the UK followed the Swiss model it doesn't mean they would follow suit. |  | | |
| David Davis + Boris on 21:50 - Jul 27 with 2283 views | Sharpy36 |
| David Davis + Boris on 21:32 - Jul 27 by GloryHunter |
I'm currently staying with in-laws in southern Germany, right on the Swiss border. The "Swiss model" has been suggested as a possibility for the UK after Brexit, so here are a few things I've observed over the past few days:
1. Food seems to be much more expensive in Switzerland - especially meat, which some people say is 4x dearer. The German supermarket car parks have lots of of Swiss-registered cars in them.
2. You can only take 1 kg of meat from Germany to Switzerland - if you get caught with more, it gets confiscated and you get fined.
3. We saw cars being stopped and searched on the Swiss side of the border.
4. Petrol and diesel are more expensive in Switzerland than Germany.
5. Went clothes shopping today - big hold up at the tills with Swiss people buying lots of clothes and filling in forms so that they can re-claim the VAT when they cross the customs. German friends have said this can create hold-ups at the customs border too, but I haven't noticed this.
6. Maternity leave in Switzerland is apparently only 6 weeks; then the mother has to go back to work, or give up her job.
7. Sick pay in Switzerland is apparently very limited - heard about a woman who broke her leg and lost her job.
I know there's a Swiss R's poster on here, so I'm happy to be corrected if I've got any of this wrong. But I must say a lot of this has surprised me - especially the maternity and sick pay stuff. And of course if the UK followed the Swiss model it doesn't mean they would follow suit. |
Maternity leave in Switzerland is 14 weeks, just did a quick Google
Sick and Holiday pay
http://www.expatfocus.com/expatriate-switzerland-employment
Minimum wage
https://www.expatica.com/ch/employment/minimum-wage-switzerland-average-salary-i
Voted against a minimum wage of chf 22, which is £16.88. That`s why prices are high i would presume.
Plus add into the fact they are neutral in all things war, that they get to keep their 2% GDP which others(sort of) have to pay into Nato, they are doing pretty well. [Post edited 27 Jul 2018 22:04]
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