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I suppose things will come out over time. But I can't look at that and see it as anything but despicable. On or off a football pitch, it's just cowardly.
Not nice granted but if Calvin wanted to do serious damage I'm sure he would have. Clarke played on in his usual robust manner and played yesterday. A wet sponge seemed to solve any damage.
I suppose things will come out over time. But I can't look at that and see it as anything but despicable. On or off a football pitch, it's just cowardly.
I don't think anybody on here would disagree with any of those comments but what has really shocked and stunned everyone is the fact that it is Calvin Andrew who has committed the offence. The guy has always come across as an honest and fair player and many people have referenced the fact that he has played over 300 (I think) games up front and been constantly engaged in physical battles yet this side of his character has never once manifested itself!!!
If you were to ask any Dale fan (who hadn't been aware of the events of the last few days) to name any Dale player of the current era (i.e. present and last 5 years or so) who could have committed such a vicious attack and I am sure most would probably get through about a hundred names before arriving at the name of Calvin Andrew.
Not attempting for one minute to excuse or justify the offence, because it looks worse every time I watch it, but merely trying to put into context the sheer amazement and numbness that we are feeling right now!!!
I don't think anybody on here would disagree with any of those comments but what has really shocked and stunned everyone is the fact that it is Calvin Andrew who has committed the offence. The guy has always come across as an honest and fair player and many people have referenced the fact that he has played over 300 (I think) games up front and been constantly engaged in physical battles yet this side of his character has never once manifested itself!!!
If you were to ask any Dale fan (who hadn't been aware of the events of the last few days) to name any Dale player of the current era (i.e. present and last 5 years or so) who could have committed such a vicious attack and I am sure most would probably get through about a hundred names before arriving at the name of Calvin Andrew.
Not attempting for one minute to excuse or justify the offence, because it looks worse every time I watch it, but merely trying to put into context the sheer amazement and numbness that we are feeling right now!!!
I've met Calvin. He came across as a real gent. I also rate him as a footballer and feel it took Dale fans a while to 'get him'. But again, I look at that and see it as a despicable attack. Things will come out in the wash, definitely. I'm sure he was provoked. He'd have to have serious issues to do that unprovoked. But aye, it's a shameful incident no matter how it's dressed up.
I think if I had to pick out a Barnsley player who I'd never imagine doing that, it'd be Tom Bradshaw. A real gent. Lovely lad. Barely gets a kick for us but comes into work every day, polite, smiling, and on the field he seems so fair. I'd be stunned if he dived, never mind attacked someone. But... if he did what Calvin did, I'd be ashamed and wouldn't even try and defend him.
I'd support him moving forward, after his ban, but only after an apology.
I would like to think most of you will feel similarly about Calvin.
Those saying "sack him" are just as bad as those trying to find reasons to defend him.
I've met Calvin. He came across as a real gent. I also rate him as a footballer and feel it took Dale fans a while to 'get him'. But again, I look at that and see it as a despicable attack. Things will come out in the wash, definitely. I'm sure he was provoked. He'd have to have serious issues to do that unprovoked. But aye, it's a shameful incident no matter how it's dressed up.
I think if I had to pick out a Barnsley player who I'd never imagine doing that, it'd be Tom Bradshaw. A real gent. Lovely lad. Barely gets a kick for us but comes into work every day, polite, smiling, and on the field he seems so fair. I'd be stunned if he dived, never mind attacked someone. But... if he did what Calvin did, I'd be ashamed and wouldn't even try and defend him.
I'd support him moving forward, after his ban, but only after an apology.
I would like to think most of you will feel similarly about Calvin.
Those saying "sack him" are just as bad as those trying to find reasons to defend him.
You wont find many on here trying to argue what Calvin did was in any way right,he's been crucified on here plenty of times for what's happened,I'd be fairly sure he's mortified himself now when looking back too.
Whilst what Calvins done is there for all to see,moving forwards there's plenty of other things in the sport that need changing too and wiping out of the game,the sly underhand "hidden" things like taking money and back handers,that's pretty despicable Whitey....for these types I'd throw the book at too...
I've met Calvin. He came across as a real gent. I also rate him as a footballer and feel it took Dale fans a while to 'get him'. But again, I look at that and see it as a despicable attack. Things will come out in the wash, definitely. I'm sure he was provoked. He'd have to have serious issues to do that unprovoked. But aye, it's a shameful incident no matter how it's dressed up.
I think if I had to pick out a Barnsley player who I'd never imagine doing that, it'd be Tom Bradshaw. A real gent. Lovely lad. Barely gets a kick for us but comes into work every day, polite, smiling, and on the field he seems so fair. I'd be stunned if he dived, never mind attacked someone. But... if he did what Calvin did, I'd be ashamed and wouldn't even try and defend him.
I'd support him moving forward, after his ban, but only after an apology.
I would like to think most of you will feel similarly about Calvin.
Those saying "sack him" are just as bad as those trying to find reasons to defend him.
I don't have instant recall and haven't got time to read 14 pages of this thread, but I don't remember anyone on here "trying to find reasons to defend him". I cannot believe he wasn't provoked, but that isn't a defence of his actions. I think every Dale fan is in shock right now. We were flying prior to this incident and this feels like we've lost someone close to us. Not quite sure where you are coming from with this comment unless you are trying to stir the pot?
The Exeter player looks to elbow the Luton player in a similar way to Andrew's attack on Clarke. The ref shows him a yellow card - and sends off the Luton player (who is either a very good actor or genuinely amazed at getting a red card).
The Exeter player looks to elbow the Luton player in a similar way to Andrew's attack on Clarke. The ref shows him a yellow card - and sends off the Luton player (who is either a very good actor or genuinely amazed at getting a red card).
They were both shown yellow cards, but the Luton player's was his second, hence the red.
We need to be concerned with our own players, rather than those from other clubs.
When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?
They were both shown yellow cards, but the Luton player's was his second, hence the red.
We need to be concerned with our own players, rather than those from other clubs.
You're right, but of course Dale fans will now be looking for consistency from match officials and the FA when subsequent punishments are meted out.
I would say that was violent conduct, deserving of a red card, striking an opponent with a forearm across the back of the head. That said, not comparable with Calvins' premeditated wallop.
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You're right, but of course Dale fans will now be looking for consistency from match officials and the FA when subsequent punishments are meted out.
I would say that was violent conduct, deserving of a red card, striking an opponent with a forearm across the back of the head. That said, not comparable with Calvins' premeditated wallop.
Red card all day long, not sure why the ref hasn't issued one. Nothing like Calvin's however.
Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
They were both shown yellow cards, but the Luton player's was his second, hence the red.
We need to be concerned with our own players, rather than those from other clubs.
I'd say we need to be primarily concerned with our own players, but inevitably comparisons are drawn with other cases. Regarding the Exeter player, he deliberately ran after and struck an opponent, not all that dissimilar to Andrew's actions. Yet a yellow card for him and a 12 match ban in the case of the Dale player.
Will the FA step in and take action in the case, mentioned earlier in this thread, of the Burton player who stamped on Winnall? When the incident was shown on Channel 5's The Championship programme the commentator said the Burton player had been 'naughty' but had got away with the ref not seeing it. Rather different from the torrent of media indignation directed at Andrew.
Red card all day long, not sure why the ref hasn't issued one. Nothing like Calvin's however.
Oh yes, I agree 100% about it being a red card. One can only assume the officials didn't get a decent view of the incident, in the same way as for Joe Bunney's red card at Swindon.
When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?
I'd say we need to be primarily concerned with our own players, but inevitably comparisons are drawn with other cases. Regarding the Exeter player, he deliberately ran after and struck an opponent, not all that dissimilar to Andrew's actions. Yet a yellow card for him and a 12 match ban in the case of the Dale player.
Will the FA step in and take action in the case, mentioned earlier in this thread, of the Burton player who stamped on Winnall? When the incident was shown on Channel 5's The Championship programme the commentator said the Burton player had been 'naughty' but had got away with the ref not seeing it. Rather different from the torrent of media indignation directed at Andrew.
But to continue finding other incidents smacks of paranoia.
Calvin has been punished, hopefully he will learn from it and then he and the club can move on.
The Exeter incident is nothing like what Calvin did.
When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?
Yes, I hope we're not going to be treated to a cornucopia of incidents being posted on here for comparative purposes
It does make you wonder though - if the ref had seen the incident and red-carded Calvin, would he have just got the standard ban?
I think it would have been taken further even if Calvin had got a red at the time. The media would have been all over it Saturday night and Sunday as it would have been shown straight away.
Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
You wont find many on here trying to argue what Calvin did was in any way right,he's been crucified on here plenty of times for what's happened,I'd be fairly sure he's mortified himself now when looking back too.
Whilst what Calvins done is there for all to see,moving forwards there's plenty of other things in the sport that need changing too and wiping out of the game,the sly underhand "hidden" things like taking money and back handers,that's pretty despicable Whitey....for these types I'd throw the book at too...
If you're trying to dig my club out for Tommy Wright's behaviour I can only point you to the fact he was sacked on the spot. That kind of thing does indeed need removing from the game though, as does deliberately assaulting an opponent off the ball. But it's down to the FA I presume?
As I've just found out that our owner has cancer, I will just wish everyone the best and refuse to get into silly arguments. Life's too short.
If you're trying to dig my club out for Tommy Wright's behaviour I can only point you to the fact he was sacked on the spot. That kind of thing does indeed need removing from the game though, as does deliberately assaulting an opponent off the ball. But it's down to the FA I presume?
As I've just found out that our owner has cancer, I will just wish everyone the best and refuse to get into silly arguments. Life's too short.
Thats shit news Whitey, get well soon Patrick Cryne. In keeping with this thread - hope he gives cancer the elbow.
Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
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