| Thatcher dead 12:56 - Apr 8 with 94843 views | six_foot_two |
Skynews are are saying Magaret Thatcher has died of a stroke |  | | |  |
| Thatcher dead on 21:55 - Apr 10 with 1886 views | WatfordR |
Judy Garland's 'Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead' is heading for a top 10 entry in this week's Official Singles Chart following a Facebook campaign to get the song to Number One on the same week Margaret Thatcher died.
Tut tut.
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| Thatcher dead on 22:00 - Apr 10 with 1880 views | TacticalR |
| Thatcher dead on 21:49 - Apr 10 by highlandbill |
Ah! Paddy Pantsdown ! Just the person to make a statement no sensible person would give credibility to. |
A fellow militarist, it's not surprising he would admire Thatcher.
A failure in British politics, he was made King of Bosnia by the UN. |  |
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| Thatcher dead on 22:05 - Apr 10 with 1867 views | QPR1882 |
| Thatcher dead on 21:34 - Apr 10 by Sudbury_Hill_R |
You only got the opportunity to own your own house if you were already living in a council house. Huge discounts given. Anyone else had to struggle for a mortgage with high interest rates, much the same as now. Although rates lower, prices hugely inflated since then. Big struggle for first time buyers now. |
Intrest rates were at an all time high before Thatcher, so home owners ( me included at that time ) were struggling already.
As i said she gave the poor a chance to own their own house. |  | | |
| Thatcher dead on 22:09 - Apr 10 with 1855 views | daveB |
i find it all a but sad that so many are celebrating her death, like most PM's she did some very good and some pretty bad things in her time but she deserves respect which is sadly something lacking in this country these days.
I'm not sure why everything in the 80's is her fault though as if she had no advisers, no cabinet ministers working with her who were just as much to blame for many of the decsions made. |  | | |
| Thatcher dead on 22:11 - Apr 10 with 1847 views | Sudbury_Hill_R |
| Thatcher dead on 22:05 - Apr 10 by QPR1882 |
Intrest rates were at an all time high before Thatcher, so home owners ( me included at that time ) were struggling already.
As i said she gave the poor a chance to own their own house. |
Interest rates are not my real point. The fact was if you didn't live in a council house you got no discount of tens of thousands of pounds to buy a house. Everyone else struggled especially after house prices boomed as a consequence.
I'm not knocking it, merely stating fact. |  | | |
| Thatcher dead on 22:13 - Apr 10 with 1843 views | derbyhoop |
Whatever your politics there is little doubt that she was divisive. Hence the anti thatcher demonstrations. If she hadn't been out of the public eye for years, it would have been worse. But as our first, and so far only, female PM, who held the position for 11 years, she demands respect. Even Ed Milliband struck the right tone in the parliamentary debate. |  |
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| Thatcher dead on 22:14 - Apr 10 with 1841 views | easthertsr |
Yes the poor DID get poorer under Thatcher, check the figures the first time that had happened in modern times. An absolute disgrace. |  | | |
| Thatcher dead on 22:18 - Apr 10 with 1831 views | qprmick |
Being asset rich with your council house, doesn't buy the groceries or pay the bills. You could sell it if you lose your job, and pay exorbitant rent from your windfall. There goes the kid's inheritance. | |
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| Thatcher dead on 22:19 - Apr 10 with 1826 views | QPR1882 |
| Thatcher dead on 22:11 - Apr 10 by Sudbury_Hill_R |
Interest rates are not my real point. The fact was if you didn't live in a council house you got no discount of tens of thousands of pounds to buy a house. Everyone else struggled especially after house prices boomed as a consequence.
I'm not knocking it, merely stating fact. |
Fact is everyone of us do the lottery because we want to get to a level higher then we are now. MT allowed council tenants the chance to do that.
I was only answering an original post accusing MT of making the rich richer and the poor poorer, which is absolute bollox.
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| Thatcher dead on 22:22 - Apr 10 with 1817 views | kensalriser |
| Thatcher dead on 22:11 - Apr 10 by Sudbury_Hill_R |
Interest rates are not my real point. The fact was if you didn't live in a council house you got no discount of tens of thousands of pounds to buy a house. Everyone else struggled especially after house prices boomed as a consequence.
I'm not knocking it, merely stating fact. |
Well, in a way you did, through MIRAS (mortgage interest relief at source). This was effectively a tax break given to people who took out a mortgage paid for by people who didn't. Introduced by a Labour Government, by the way. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Thatcher dead on 22:23 - Apr 10 with 1811 views | QPR1882 |
| Thatcher dead on 22:18 - Apr 10 by qprmick |
Being asset rich with your council house, doesn't buy the groceries or pay the bills. You could sell it if you lose your job, and pay exorbitant rent from your windfall. There goes the kid's inheritance. |
Making someone who could never afford their own home a home owner made you feel important,gave you a bit of pride.
By the way you could not sell your property for a profit for 5 years after you had brought it.
So getting the tin tack and selling up and banking the profit was never an option. | | | |
| Thatcher dead on 22:29 - Apr 10 with 1802 views | kensalriser |
| Thatcher dead on 22:23 - Apr 10 by QPR1882 |
Making someone who could never afford their own home a home owner made you feel important,gave you a bit of pride.
By the way you could not sell your property for a profit for 5 years after you had brought it.
So getting the tin tack and selling up and banking the profit was never an option. |
The right to buy was originally a Liberal policy that involved using the proceeds to build new social housing. The tories took the policy and perverted it by removing the back end and effectively using it as a gerrymandering policy. There's no doubt that it was one the factors that fuelled the subsequent property boom. I don't really blame anyone for taking advantage of it, but that doesn't change the fact that it was free money for some paid for by others. | |
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| Thatcher dead on 22:30 - Apr 10 with 1774 views | michael67 |
| Thatcher dead on 22:23 - Apr 10 by QPR1882 |
Making someone who could never afford their own home a home owner made you feel important,gave you a bit of pride.
By the way you could not sell your property for a profit for 5 years after you had brought it.
So getting the tin tack and selling up and banking the profit was never an option. |
And this was a problem for those in the north who did buy their home. Many did lose their jobs and eventually their homes. Making them worse off than when they first started. |  |
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| Thatcher dead on 22:34 - Apr 10 with 1769 views | QPR1882 |
| Thatcher dead on 22:29 - Apr 10 by kensalriser |
The right to buy was originally a Liberal policy that involved using the proceeds to build new social housing. The tories took the policy and perverted it by removing the back end and effectively using it as a gerrymandering policy. There's no doubt that it was one the factors that fuelled the subsequent property boom. I don't really blame anyone for taking advantage of it, but that doesn't change the fact that it was free money for some paid for by others. |
free money for some paid for by others
hows that ?
The people who got the right to buy a house had been living in the same property for years and had been paying rent to do so.
So yes they got a result, buy how did others have to pay ? | | | |
| Thatcher dead on 22:36 - Apr 10 with 1766 views | QPR1882 |
| Thatcher dead on 22:30 - Apr 10 by michael67 |
And this was a problem for those in the north who did buy their home. Many did lose their jobs and eventually their homes. Making them worse off than when they first started. |
Same happened to folk North and South who were in full time employment. | | | |
| Thatcher dead on 22:46 - Apr 10 with 1758 views | kensalriser |
| Thatcher dead on 22:34 - Apr 10 by QPR1882 |
free money for some paid for by others
hows that ?
The people who got the right to buy a house had been living in the same property for years and had been paying rent to do so.
So yes they got a result, buy how did others have to pay ? |
When the State (or in this case a local authority) sells something for below its true market value, the difference between the sale value and the market value is effectively paid for by everyone else. In much the same way that we all paid for the banks to get bailed out.
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| Thatcher dead on 23:03 - Apr 10 with 1739 views | QPR1882 |
| Thatcher dead on 22:46 - Apr 10 by kensalriser |
When the State (or in this case a local authority) sells something for below its true market value, the difference between the sale value and the market value is effectively paid for by everyone else. In much the same way that we all paid for the banks to get bailed out.
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| Thatcher dead on 23:12 - Apr 10 with 1729 views | loftboy |
| Thatcher dead on 22:30 - Apr 10 by michael67 |
And this was a problem for those in the north who did buy their home. Many did lose their jobs and eventually their homes. Making them worse off than when they first started. |
But when these houses were built they were probably worth only 3-4000, my uncle bought his house brand new in Woking in the 60's for 4500, which is the decade that a lot of the houses sold in the 80's were built, so for instance my dad bought his council house valued at £48000 for £16000 it was still more than what it was worth when it was first built, the fact that in the 90's he sold it for considerably more is neither here or there, the council still made a profit themself. |  |
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| Thatcher dead on 23:23 - Apr 10 with 1720 views | kensalriser |
Loftboy and QPR1882, the original cost is irrelevant, current value is all important. These properties were sold in most cases far below their true market value, in effect being subsidised by taxpayers. Fair enough, if you agree with the policy then make the argument for it and give your reasons, but it still remains that if one group of people are given a subsidy/benefit/incentive, call it what you like, it is paid for collectively by the rest of society. | |
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| Thatcher dead on 23:28 - Apr 10 with 1718 views | QPR1882 |
| Thatcher dead on 23:23 - Apr 10 by kensalriser |
Loftboy and QPR1882, the original cost is irrelevant, current value is all important. These properties were sold in most cases far below their true market value, in effect being subsidised by taxpayers. Fair enough, if you agree with the policy then make the argument for it and give your reasons, but it still remains that if one group of people are given a subsidy/benefit/incentive, call it what you like, it is paid for collectively by the rest of society. |
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| Thatcher dead on 23:52 - Apr 10 with 1694 views | MkPaul |
My god there are some drama queens on here, if she was the devil then she wouldn't have been voted in 3 times some people need to get a grip on reality because the strange world they live in doesn't seem the kind of place I would want to live in
Please please get a grip | | | |
| Thatcher dead on 23:57 - Apr 10 with 1690 views | kensalriser |
| Thatcher dead on 23:28 - Apr 10 by QPR1882 |
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I don't really see how that's relevant. Vehicles decrease in value as they're used. The council has the use of the vehicle in the meantime and then sells it for what the market will pay. And yes, of course tax payers pay for that, who else does?
Make an argument for the policy, at the moment you're just denying economic facts. | |
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| Thatcher dead on 00:02 - Apr 11 with 1682 views | Red_Ranger |
| Thatcher dead on 23:52 - Apr 10 by MkPaul |
My god there are some drama queens on here, if she was the devil then she wouldn't have been voted in 3 times some people need to get a grip on reality because the strange world they live in doesn't seem the kind of place I would want to live in
Please please get a grip |
A devil I tell you - smell the sulphur, look at her horns. 'Nelson Mandela is a terrorist' | | | |
| Thatcher dead on 00:09 - Apr 11 with 1676 views | QPR1882 |
| Thatcher dead on 23:57 - Apr 10 by kensalriser |
I don't really see how that's relevant. Vehicles decrease in value as they're used. The council has the use of the vehicle in the meantime and then sells it for what the market will pay. And yes, of course tax payers pay for that, who else does?
Make an argument for the policy, at the moment you're just denying economic facts. |
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| Thatcher dead on 00:11 - Apr 11 with 1674 views | DaiHo0p |
She's gone. No biggy.
We just have to wipe out her memory and continue with human development...
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