| Linford Christie Stadium. 18:04 - Aug 9 with 148273 views | ted_hendrix |
That's where our new ground will be. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 00:16 - Jul 18 with 3165 views | ted_hendrix |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:36 - Jul 17 by Juzzie |
There’s only one person (that I know of) here who does have the knowledge and experience…….. c’mon Ted, tell us what is/isn’t feasible with Loftus Road so we all know once and for all! |
The SA Road stand would require the following as a minimum.
To extend upwards would require deep piling followed by 'pile capping' a *complete* dismantle of the existing structual steel framework and then obviously the rebuild as per whatever the design.
The new stand (lol) would of course then become a larger 'footprint' thus requiring additional rainwater and sewerage drainage (think water presure in the SB stand (lol again).
As Is the norm nowadays all of the utility Companies would be jumping up and down saying there Isn't enough 'capacity' In the area (more costs looming on the horizon)
It wouldn't be impossible at all what It would be is expensive and a challenging
There would be huge working time restrictions due to the area being heavily populated.
The Environmental Noise Regulations fines are huge nowadays, so It's not just a matter of turning up and jack hammering away all the way though to completion.
I would Imagine by using common sense QPR would go out and utilise/employ a "Design and Build" contractor. | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 00:28 - Jul 18 with 3142 views | Boston |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 00:16 - Jul 18 by ted_hendrix |
The SA Road stand would require the following as a minimum.
To extend upwards would require deep piling followed by 'pile capping' a *complete* dismantle of the existing structual steel framework and then obviously the rebuild as per whatever the design.
The new stand (lol) would of course then become a larger 'footprint' thus requiring additional rainwater and sewerage drainage (think water presure in the SB stand (lol again).
As Is the norm nowadays all of the utility Companies would be jumping up and down saying there Isn't enough 'capacity' In the area (more costs looming on the horizon)
It wouldn't be impossible at all what It would be is expensive and a challenging
There would be huge working time restrictions due to the area being heavily populated.
The Environmental Noise Regulations fines are huge nowadays, so It's not just a matter of turning up and jack hammering away all the way though to completion.
I would Imagine by using common sense QPR would go out and utilise/employ a "Design and Build" contractor. |
What are the height restrictions in that area? |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 02:05 - Jul 18 with 3068 views | Hoopsie |
I am big on retaining Loftus Road Stadium, refurbish, redevelop, what not, however, Council's local plan for Loftus Road stadium vicinity greatly discourage any sort of redevelopment (increase capacity, increase footprint, increase building height, increase amenities) of the stadium.
As per London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham planning provision for local planning framework, Loftus Road Stadium falls under the strategic site policy WCRA 2 - White City West. One of the key statements regarding the stadium is spelled out as follows;
5.37 The Queens Park Rangers (QPR) football ground at Loftus Road is a cramped site with limited opportunity for expansion, and the Club’s ambitions should be considered in planning of this area over the next 20 years. The football stadium is a valued community asset for the White City community and the pitch is designated as openspace. Therefore any redevelopment of this site would need to re-provide a sport/community/leisure facility that could achieve substantial benefits for the community as well as open space, on-site or within the borough, in accordance with the other policies within the Local Plan.
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.........If either the Loftus Road Stadium or Territorial Army (TA) Centre come forward for redevelopment, the council will seek residential led development. In relation to the Loftus Road site, in particular there should be re-provision of community facilities and open space in the borough, in accordance with the other policies in the Local Plan.
It seems to me the club has not pursued redevelopment as they will be going in a direction contrary to what was proposed for the area. They are dealing with a council that is not amenable to the redevelopment of the stadium. Neither is the council amenable to the club relocating close to/within the locality, it seems, hence the LC stadium conundrum.
At least in my mind, if we could redevelop Loftus Road, we could refurbish the Loftus road and Stan Bowles stands (new roof, same height, better seating and amenities - capacity may deceased), redevelop the school end stand, buy the school to add conference facilities, budget hotel, shops, restaurants, QPR museum, library (its was a school eh) and other suitable commercial facilities for non match day use in a newly constructed auxiliary building/facility on the newly acquired land adjoining the stadium, I suppose this adds to the parts of the actual stadium that can be opened out for profit - VIP boxes, superstore located in the South Africa Road stand, which I envisage that we could redevelop it as a mega stand with increasing capacity, bringing the capacity of the stadium to 20,000-22,000 which i think is ideal for the size of our club.
Well, all this, together with any other suggestions of redevelopment, is wishful thinking unless we could get the Council to amend its proposed vision for the area. Maybe we can mobilise thousands of R's fans residing in the borough to influence the Council planning policy and a few of us can run for Councillors to affect any change. Maybe? |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 07:35 - Jul 18 with 2902 views | Gloucs_R |
How does the club keep getting a free pass on this subject? Every event they get asked but never commit or properly answer the question. Almost ten years ago since they announced the new stadium plan. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:33 - Jul 18 with 2786 views | Rs_Holy |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 02:05 - Jul 18 by Hoopsie |
I am big on retaining Loftus Road Stadium, refurbish, redevelop, what not, however, Council's local plan for Loftus Road stadium vicinity greatly discourage any sort of redevelopment (increase capacity, increase footprint, increase building height, increase amenities) of the stadium.
As per London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham planning provision for local planning framework, Loftus Road Stadium falls under the strategic site policy WCRA 2 - White City West. One of the key statements regarding the stadium is spelled out as follows;
5.37 The Queens Park Rangers (QPR) football ground at Loftus Road is a cramped site with limited opportunity for expansion, and the Club’s ambitions should be considered in planning of this area over the next 20 years. The football stadium is a valued community asset for the White City community and the pitch is designated as openspace. Therefore any redevelopment of this site would need to re-provide a sport/community/leisure facility that could achieve substantial benefits for the community as well as open space, on-site or within the borough, in accordance with the other policies within the Local Plan.
(in addition);
.........If either the Loftus Road Stadium or Territorial Army (TA) Centre come forward for redevelopment, the council will seek residential led development. In relation to the Loftus Road site, in particular there should be re-provision of community facilities and open space in the borough, in accordance with the other policies in the Local Plan.
It seems to me the club has not pursued redevelopment as they will be going in a direction contrary to what was proposed for the area. They are dealing with a council that is not amenable to the redevelopment of the stadium. Neither is the council amenable to the club relocating close to/within the locality, it seems, hence the LC stadium conundrum.
At least in my mind, if we could redevelop Loftus Road, we could refurbish the Loftus road and Stan Bowles stands (new roof, same height, better seating and amenities - capacity may deceased), redevelop the school end stand, buy the school to add conference facilities, budget hotel, shops, restaurants, QPR museum, library (its was a school eh) and other suitable commercial facilities for non match day use in a newly constructed auxiliary building/facility on the newly acquired land adjoining the stadium, I suppose this adds to the parts of the actual stadium that can be opened out for profit - VIP boxes, superstore located in the South Africa Road stand, which I envisage that we could redevelop it as a mega stand with increasing capacity, bringing the capacity of the stadium to 20,000-22,000 which i think is ideal for the size of our club.
Well, all this, together with any other suggestions of redevelopment, is wishful thinking unless we could get the Council to amend its proposed vision for the area. Maybe we can mobilise thousands of R's fans residing in the borough to influence the Council planning policy and a few of us can run for Councillors to affect any change. Maybe? |
Just feels like we are boxed into a corner on this subject....
Brentford - New Stadium, Fulham - New Stand next to the river, Chelsea - Re-built Scumford Bridge planned (not that they need to), Luton - New Stadium planned, Arsenal - moved to a new stadium a stones throw from Highbury, Spuds - Brand new stadium right next to the old White Hart Lane, Watford - completely re-built Vicarage Road, Millwall - moved to a new stadium in the local area, Palarse - complete re-development of Selhurst planned, Charlton - re-devoped the Valley when they returned.
QPR - No intention of developing the current stadium and still 'putting out the feelers' about possibly building a new stadium at the Linford Christie site... don't hold your breath ... its next to a hospital ... the locals are not happy about it etc etc...
Meanwhile its carry on regardless with the bleeding kneecaps, restricted views and qeueing for 20 minutes at half time to have a waz!
WILL SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING.... ANYTHING!!! |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:44 - Jul 18 with 2727 views | ActonExile |
Just as a thought the whole 4 bedroom house next to the loft entrance is up for sale for £1,500,000Offers in Region of
4 bedroom terraced house for sale
Loftus Road, London, W12
Looking at google map there are 40 house on Ellerslie and Loftus which back onto the footprint of our ground.
If we can get the owners to sell up it would be somewhere between £60-80m and you wouldn't even need to demolish the houses, just build over the gardens and rent out the properties. | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:11 - Jul 18 with 2632 views | dmm |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:44 - Jul 18 by ActonExile |
Just as a thought the whole 4 bedroom house next to the loft entrance is up for sale for £1,500,000Offers in Region of
4 bedroom terraced house for sale
Loftus Road, London, W12
Looking at google map there are 40 house on Ellerslie and Loftus which back onto the footprint of our ground.
If we can get the owners to sell up it would be somewhere between £60-80m and you wouldn't even need to demolish the houses, just build over the gardens and rent out the properties. |
And what if just one of the 40 house owners refuses to sell? |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:42 - Jul 18 with 2515 views | Rs_Holy |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:11 - Jul 18 by dmm |
And what if just one of the 40 house owners refuses to sell? |
there's bound to be at least one chelsea or brentford fan living in one of those properties  | | | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:44 - Jul 18 with 2507 views | francisbowles |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:42 - Jul 18 by Rs_Holy |
there's bound to be at least one chelsea or brentford fan living in one of those properties |
......and the small matter of planning permissions. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:35 - Jul 18 with 2370 views | Hoopsie |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:33 - Jul 18 by Rs_Holy |
Just feels like we are boxed into a corner on this subject....
Brentford - New Stadium, Fulham - New Stand next to the river, Chelsea - Re-built Scumford Bridge planned (not that they need to), Luton - New Stadium planned, Arsenal - moved to a new stadium a stones throw from Highbury, Spuds - Brand new stadium right next to the old White Hart Lane, Watford - completely re-built Vicarage Road, Millwall - moved to a new stadium in the local area, Palarse - complete re-development of Selhurst planned, Charlton - re-devoped the Valley when they returned.
QPR - No intention of developing the current stadium and still 'putting out the feelers' about possibly building a new stadium at the Linford Christie site... don't hold your breath ... its next to a hospital ... the locals are not happy about it etc etc...
Meanwhile its carry on regardless with the bleeding kneecaps, restricted views and qeueing for 20 minutes at half time to have a waz!
WILL SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING.... ANYTHING!!! |
Most if not all London borough are proud of their football club
But QPR is probably the third club in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham after Chel$*@ and Fulham
Maybe that explains why we get no love from the borough yet other London league clubs are sole representatives?
Perhaps a move away from the borough will do us good. Queen’s Park is in the borough of Brent and city of Westminster…. | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:39 - Jul 18 with 2350 views | CamberleyR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:44 - Jul 18 by ActonExile |
Just as a thought the whole 4 bedroom house next to the loft entrance is up for sale for £1,500,000Offers in Region of
4 bedroom terraced house for sale
Loftus Road, London, W12
Looking at google map there are 40 house on Ellerslie and Loftus which back onto the footprint of our ground.
If we can get the owners to sell up it would be somewhere between £60-80m and you wouldn't even need to demolish the houses, just build over the gardens and rent out the properties. |
They're not all single dwelling houses though in LR and ER, I don't know for certain but I would say the good majority are split into separate flats which as well as the freeholders of the properties to deal with you also have multiple leaseholders of the flats. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:42 - Jul 18 with 2328 views | Sonofpugwash |
Has anyone considered digging down?Maybe as far as Australia? |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:49 - Jul 18 with 2296 views | BostonR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:33 - Jul 18 by Rs_Holy |
Just feels like we are boxed into a corner on this subject....
Brentford - New Stadium, Fulham - New Stand next to the river, Chelsea - Re-built Scumford Bridge planned (not that they need to), Luton - New Stadium planned, Arsenal - moved to a new stadium a stones throw from Highbury, Spuds - Brand new stadium right next to the old White Hart Lane, Watford - completely re-built Vicarage Road, Millwall - moved to a new stadium in the local area, Palarse - complete re-development of Selhurst planned, Charlton - re-devoped the Valley when they returned.
QPR - No intention of developing the current stadium and still 'putting out the feelers' about possibly building a new stadium at the Linford Christie site... don't hold your breath ... its next to a hospital ... the locals are not happy about it etc etc...
Meanwhile its carry on regardless with the bleeding kneecaps, restricted views and qeueing for 20 minutes at half time to have a waz!
WILL SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING.... ANYTHING!!! |
I sense the Board feel boxed in on this issue as well. It appears there is no meaningful help from H&F Council on the LCS, so the club needs to re-think.
The club seemed to work well with the local authority on the new training ground (Hounslow) so what price that discussions have not taken place on a relocation on that M4/A4 corridor? |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:54 - Jul 18 with 2273 views | CateLeBonR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:35 - Jul 18 by Hoopsie |
Most if not all London borough are proud of their football club
But QPR is probably the third club in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham after Chel$*@ and Fulham
Maybe that explains why we get no love from the borough yet other London league clubs are sole representatives?
Perhaps a move away from the borough will do us good. Queen’s Park is in the borough of Brent and city of Westminster…. |
Fulham have had lots of problems trying to redevelop Craven Cottage to be fair. They even had to share Loftus Road for a while to bring it up to spec. They’ve only been able to build their new stand at great expense and by having ticket prices that most of us couldn’t afford. Chelsea too haven’t been able to do exactly as they pleased despite all their backing but simply had more space to begin with. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:59 - Jul 18 with 2247 views | G_Ottershaw |
Did Amit drop a hint recently about more in the heston area ?
Anyway just out of interest, has an assessment been made on how long the stadium is viable/sustainable in its current format ? | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:37 - Jul 18 with 4384 views | ted_hendrix |
LR won't get redeveloped anytime soon, It just isn't fiancially viable.
When I say fiancially what I really mean is financially. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 12:17]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:06 - Jul 18 with 4263 views | joe90 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:33 - Jul 18 by Rs_Holy |
Just feels like we are boxed into a corner on this subject....
Brentford - New Stadium, Fulham - New Stand next to the river, Chelsea - Re-built Scumford Bridge planned (not that they need to), Luton - New Stadium planned, Arsenal - moved to a new stadium a stones throw from Highbury, Spuds - Brand new stadium right next to the old White Hart Lane, Watford - completely re-built Vicarage Road, Millwall - moved to a new stadium in the local area, Palarse - complete re-development of Selhurst planned, Charlton - re-devoped the Valley when they returned.
QPR - No intention of developing the current stadium and still 'putting out the feelers' about possibly building a new stadium at the Linford Christie site... don't hold your breath ... its next to a hospital ... the locals are not happy about it etc etc...
Meanwhile its carry on regardless with the bleeding kneecaps, restricted views and qeueing for 20 minutes at half time to have a waz!
WILL SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING.... ANYTHING!!! |
You forgot to mention AFC Wimbledon, even they managed to build a new ground on the site of their old one despite years of opposition from Merton Council. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:08 - Jul 18 with 4248 views | joe90 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:44 - Jul 18 by ActonExile |
Just as a thought the whole 4 bedroom house next to the loft entrance is up for sale for £1,500,000Offers in Region of
4 bedroom terraced house for sale
Loftus Road, London, W12
Looking at google map there are 40 house on Ellerslie and Loftus which back onto the footprint of our ground.
If we can get the owners to sell up it would be somewhere between £60-80m and you wouldn't even need to demolish the houses, just build over the gardens and rent out the properties. |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:17 - Jul 18 with 4284 views | Juzzie |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:44 - Jul 18 by ActonExile |
Just as a thought the whole 4 bedroom house next to the loft entrance is up for sale for £1,500,000Offers in Region of
4 bedroom terraced house for sale
Loftus Road, London, W12
Looking at google map there are 40 house on Ellerslie and Loftus which back onto the footprint of our ground.
If we can get the owners to sell up it would be somewhere between £60-80m and you wouldn't even need to demolish the houses, just build over the gardens and rent out the properties. |
As has often been mentioned (usually by me  ) it's not 40 houses. Each house is split into 4 or 5 flats so you're looking at around 200 properties. That's 200 leaseholders/freeholders/tenants etc. which is hundreds & hundreds of people involved. It's a logistical nightmare to try and sort all that out. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:24 - Jul 18 with 4216 views | CamberleyR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:06 - Jul 18 by joe90 |
You forgot to mention AFC Wimbledon, even they managed to build a new ground on the site of their old one despite years of opposition from Merton Council. |
Not quite. The old Plough Lane ground is now a development of flats. The new stadium is built on the site of the old greyhound/speedway stadium which is a bit further down Plough Lane from the old ground. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 12:27]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:35 - Jul 18 with 4122 views | Loyalitat |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:06 - Jul 18 by joe90 |
You forgot to mention AFC Wimbledon, even they managed to build a new ground on the site of their old one despite years of opposition from Merton Council. |
With planning permission to extend to 20,000 if needed in the future. Current capacity is just over 9,000 with about 4,500 season ticket holders.
On a very limited budget, they have done an excellent job in getting a new ground, which is fit for their current purposes and potential future growth, has a decent number of bars and refreshment areas within the ground, corporate boxes, hospitality areas available for functions throughout the year, and a bar, albeit dingy basement, which is open most days of the week serving the locals.
Not saying that we can replicate that at Loftus Road. We missed many an opportunity to acquire one of a decent number of prime locations within the borough about 10 years ago. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 13:01]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:46 - Jul 18 with 4045 views | joe90 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:24 - Jul 18 by CamberleyR |
Not quite. The old Plough Lane ground is now a development of flats. The new stadium is built on the site of the old greyhound/speedway stadium which is a bit further down Plough Lane from the old ground. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 12:27]
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That's right, completely forgot about the Dog Track! | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:47 - Jul 18 with 4045 views | Juzzie |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:35 - Jul 18 by Loyalitat |
With planning permission to extend to 20,000 if needed in the future. Current capacity is just over 9,000 with about 4,500 season ticket holders.
On a very limited budget, they have done an excellent job in getting a new ground, which is fit for their current purposes and potential future growth, has a decent number of bars and refreshment areas within the ground, corporate boxes, hospitality areas available for functions throughout the year, and a bar, albeit dingy basement, which is open most days of the week serving the locals.
Not saying that we can replicate that at Loftus Road. We missed many an opportunity to acquire one of a decent number of prime locations within the borough about 10 years ago. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 13:01]
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"missed" or "blocked"? Not saying the owners weren't remiss but in order to buy you need someone to sell and so far no one wants to sell, or if they do they add a few zero's on the end when a football club shows interest.
edit: typo's [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 15:24]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:57 - Jul 18 with 3957 views | joe90 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:35 - Jul 18 by Loyalitat |
With planning permission to extend to 20,000 if needed in the future. Current capacity is just over 9,000 with about 4,500 season ticket holders.
On a very limited budget, they have done an excellent job in getting a new ground, which is fit for their current purposes and potential future growth, has a decent number of bars and refreshment areas within the ground, corporate boxes, hospitality areas available for functions throughout the year, and a bar, albeit dingy basement, which is open most days of the week serving the locals.
Not saying that we can replicate that at Loftus Road. We missed many an opportunity to acquire one of a decent number of prime locations within the borough about 10 years ago. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 13:01]
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They've done an excellent job. Tidy little ground. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:15 - Jul 18 with 3890 views | Loyalitat |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:47 - Jul 18 by Juzzie |
"missed" or "blocked"? Not saying the owners weren't remiss but in order to buy you need someone to sell and so far no one wants to sell, or if they do they add a few zero's on the end when a football club shows interest.
edit: typo's [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 15:24]
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It clearly didn't deter Imperial College from acquiring 11.5 acres nearby in 2013, in addition to land they bought from the BBC. Loftus Road footprint is about 5 acres. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 13:35]
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