| Linford Christie Stadium. 18:04 - Aug 9 with 147823 views | ted_hendrix |
That's where our new ground will be. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:12 - Oct 29 with 2364 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:57 - Oct 29 by BrianMcCarthy |
I find it to be childish and smug. In fact I think the whole letter is disappointingly amateurish with the tome of a Sixth Form debator.
For example, the sentence "Clearly the consultants misinterpreted the response they received from the council as they reported to us that Stephen Cowan did not want to meet anyone from QPR" is unnecessarily impudent, and naming (and possibly shaming) names won't help them.
The whole thing comes across as if they've just caught the Council out and scored a win. I think it runs the risk of steering them further from victory. To my mind the tone of the letter will make them few friends among the very people who're holding what they want. |
Don't agree. These things needed to be said publicly for them to have any chance of getting back in the game. Where they go from here is the important thing.
From the outside they just don't seem good at negotiating property matters. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:13 - Oct 29 with 2347 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:32 - Oct 29 by ParkRoyalR |
Some things are more important than 'revenue opportunities' and a community football club of a 100+ years standing is one of these things (imo).
My take on our owners is that they seem a very decent bunch and have stood by their mistakes and us when they could have baled out. The club do great work in the community as do the owners at a low-key grass-roots level.
Just a shame imo that H&F hav'nt tried to develop a relationship with them and instead chose to play the Earls Court redevelopment / foreign ownership narrative which did'nt apply in this case. |
- Agree with your first paragraph
- Agree with some of your second paragraph
- Disagree fully with your third paragraph. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:14 - Oct 29 with 2345 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:12 - Oct 29 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
Don't agree. These things needed to be said publicly for them to have any chance of getting back in the game. Where they go from here is the important thing.
From the outside they just don't seem good at negotiating property matters. |
I agree they need to be said, 100%, but I don't like the tone at all. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:16 - Oct 29 with 2325 views | PinnerPaul |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:57 - Oct 29 by BrianMcCarthy |
I find it to be childish and smug. In fact I think the whole letter is disappointingly amateurish with the tome of a Sixth Form debator.
For example, the sentence "Clearly the consultants misinterpreted the response they received from the council as they reported to us that Stephen Cowan did not want to meet anyone from QPR" is unnecessarily impudent, and naming (and possibly shaming) names won't help them.
The whole thing comes across as if they've just caught the Council out and scored a win. I think it runs the risk of steering them further from victory. To my mind the tone of the letter will make them few friends among the very people who're holding what they want. |
See what you mean Brian - but to trot out 'fan based ownership' as if
a) it was practical
b) easy
c) possible
d) would solve this and all the club's problems
is always going to elicit this sort of response. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:16 - Oct 29 with 2309 views | NewBee |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:35 - Oct 29 by PinnerPaul |
As Lee Hoos has just said if any 'fan', individual or group, are willing to contribute to the £1M monthly loss the club is making, please get in touch!
When people bandy 'fan based ownership' about I think they forget that 'ownership' of anything costs money, ownership of a football club costs lots of money! [Post edited 29 Oct 2021 14:41]
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In the absence of said "fan, individual or group" turning up in Shepherds Bush, then QPR will just have to play the cards they have.
Which doesn't allow for them to plead for a new hand (LCS for free) after the cards have already been dealt. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:21 - Oct 29 with 2312 views | Phildo |
A new stadium at LCS would in my view be beneficial to the borough.
As the council own the land at LCS there are a number of legal ways they could use to secure the future of the club in the borough- They could grant a long lease of the land with fairly strict user conditions, they could retain a stake in ownership, they can impose a positive covenant on the land for the future. They can even impose overage payments to themselves at a market rate if the land were sold in the future. They can require the club to build new athletic facilities adjacent to the site. So no shortage of options for them to explore.
They certainly could propose a land exchange for LR if the concern relates to the redevelopment of that site. The London plan currently in place broadly views most brownfield sites going to residential in London anyway and LR is basically a brownfield site. It sits in a spot that needs a little TLC. The club may not fancy that but as a proposal it would be a lot more impressive than Johnny Foreigner go home.
As to foreign ownership of residential property - yes a bad thing, very bad- but what has that got to do with an important community asset like a football club? We are not talking about homes- or if we are make a sensible proposal for the LR site redevelopment. A new stadium with multi purpose use brings jobs and custom to the borough. The poor bit of the borough as well too - we are not in Fulham like those other two clubs in fairly swanky areas.
So what is the objection? It looks quite personal perhaps based on prejudice from 10 years ago when the club was behaving foolishly. That is silly, as is a remote PR war - on both sides. There ought to be constructive dialogue between the two with minutes released to local residents. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:26 - Oct 29 with 2277 views | WokingR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:14 - Oct 29 by BrianMcCarthy |
I agree they need to be said, 100%, but I don't like the tone at all. |
And not necessarily in public either
You think they might have learned their lesson after the whole Car Giant fiasco.
Always best to keep people onside if you want to work with them. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:28 - Oct 29 with 2267 views | LythamR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:16 - Oct 29 by PinnerPaul |
See what you mean Brian - but to trot out 'fan based ownership' as if
a) it was practical
b) easy
c) possible
d) would solve this and all the club's problems
is always going to elicit this sort of response. |
i must say Hoos has gone down in my estimation with
"As regards to fan ownership of the club, as I have stated before, any fans who would like an equity stake in the club and want to continue funding the deficits that we incur every year due to the condition of the current stadium, please get in contact as the shareholders would be delighted to be relieved of this onerous task"
Which seems to me as dismissive of the supporters contribution to the club as Briatore
And particularly dismissive of the supporters who bought shares in the club previously and saw their value evaporate due to profligate spending by the club and its owners.
I doubt he will lose any sleep over this but it has given me the right arse, great bit of PR to keep supporters on side QPR! |  | | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:28 - Oct 29 with 2267 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:16 - Oct 29 by PinnerPaul |
See what you mean Brian - but to trot out 'fan based ownership' as if
a) it was practical
b) easy
c) possible
d) would solve this and all the club's problems
is always going to elicit this sort of response. |
I agree - the Council's statements have been vague and cryptic at best, insulting at worst.
The Board have to win, though. Getting angry is a luxury they might not be able to afford. | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:32 - Oct 29 with 2237 views | Juzzie |
This is one of the probelm with t'internet.... too much public slanging.
Now they have both said their piece, just get together and get on with it. I couldn't give a fk about 'he said, she said" |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:35 - Oct 29 with 2213 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:28 - Oct 29 by LythamR |
i must say Hoos has gone down in my estimation with
"As regards to fan ownership of the club, as I have stated before, any fans who would like an equity stake in the club and want to continue funding the deficits that we incur every year due to the condition of the current stadium, please get in contact as the shareholders would be delighted to be relieved of this onerous task"
Which seems to me as dismissive of the supporters contribution to the club as Briatore
And particularly dismissive of the supporters who bought shares in the club previously and saw their value evaporate due to profligate spending by the club and its owners.
I doubt he will lose any sleep over this but it has given me the right arse, great bit of PR to keep supporters on side QPR! |
I think it was unfortunate phrasing, though the point is valid.
I'm a huge fan of Hoos, though, and happy to write this one off as an impulsive reaction.
The response was a bit rushed, maybe. | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:36 - Oct 29 with 2185 views | Juzzie |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:35 - Oct 29 by BrianMcCarthy |
I think it was unfortunate phrasing, though the point is valid.
I'm a huge fan of Hoos, though, and happy to write this one off as an impulsive reaction.
The response was a bit rushed, maybe. |
I take it as more of a swipe at H&F by implying that fans simply cannot get involved in this manner.
A Bond scheme is about the most any can afford and whilst that may have been OK for the training ground, to expect fans to dig deep again for a stadium that will cost multiple times more is a stretch too far.
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:38 - Oct 29 with 2167 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:21 - Oct 29 by Phildo |
A new stadium at LCS would in my view be beneficial to the borough.
As the council own the land at LCS there are a number of legal ways they could use to secure the future of the club in the borough- They could grant a long lease of the land with fairly strict user conditions, they could retain a stake in ownership, they can impose a positive covenant on the land for the future. They can even impose overage payments to themselves at a market rate if the land were sold in the future. They can require the club to build new athletic facilities adjacent to the site. So no shortage of options for them to explore.
They certainly could propose a land exchange for LR if the concern relates to the redevelopment of that site. The London plan currently in place broadly views most brownfield sites going to residential in London anyway and LR is basically a brownfield site. It sits in a spot that needs a little TLC. The club may not fancy that but as a proposal it would be a lot more impressive than Johnny Foreigner go home.
As to foreign ownership of residential property - yes a bad thing, very bad- but what has that got to do with an important community asset like a football club? We are not talking about homes- or if we are make a sensible proposal for the LR site redevelopment. A new stadium with multi purpose use brings jobs and custom to the borough. The poor bit of the borough as well too - we are not in Fulham like those other two clubs in fairly swanky areas.
So what is the objection? It looks quite personal perhaps based on prejudice from 10 years ago when the club was behaving foolishly. That is silly, as is a remote PR war - on both sides. There ought to be constructive dialogue between the two with minutes released to local residents. |
It will almost certainly involve homes or commercial property. Not a single stadium built since the 70s hasn't. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:40 - Oct 29 with 2150 views | PinnerPaul |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:28 - Oct 29 by LythamR |
i must say Hoos has gone down in my estimation with
"As regards to fan ownership of the club, as I have stated before, any fans who would like an equity stake in the club and want to continue funding the deficits that we incur every year due to the condition of the current stadium, please get in contact as the shareholders would be delighted to be relieved of this onerous task"
Which seems to me as dismissive of the supporters contribution to the club as Briatore
And particularly dismissive of the supporters who bought shares in the club previously and saw their value evaporate due to profligate spending by the club and its owners.
I doubt he will lose any sleep over this but it has given me the right arse, great bit of PR to keep supporters on side QPR! |
I suppose we all see it different ways, but as I said above you can't just bandy 'ownership' around without actually having some substance behind it.
Football's a funny old business - where else would company 'ownership' be expected by those not able or willing to provide any funds?
I admire the honesty of Lee Hoos - 'fans' can't expect 'ownership' if they are not funding the operation - "But its football" doesn't wash with me - but as I say, we all see things differently. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:41 - Oct 29 with 2144 views | PinnerPaul |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:28 - Oct 29 by BrianMcCarthy |
I agree - the Council's statements have been vague and cryptic at best, insulting at worst.
The Board have to win, though. Getting angry is a luxury they might not be able to afford. |
We agree once more Brian! | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:44 - Oct 29 with 2111 views | LythamR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:36 - Oct 29 by Juzzie |
I take it as more of a swipe at H&F by implying that fans simply cannot get involved in this manner.
A Bond scheme is about the most any can afford and whilst that may have been OK for the training ground, to expect fans to dig deep again for a stadium that will cost multiple times more is a stretch too far.
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And i think the Councils view is that not only can fans get involved but they already are involved as stakeholders who have been funding the club in the borough for 100 years and continue to do so on a weekly basis and as such should not simply be dismissed because we are not multi millionaires | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:45 - Oct 29 with 2111 views | Juzzie |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:38 - Oct 29 by BazzaInTheLoft |
It will almost certainly involve homes or commercial property. Not a single stadium built since the 70s hasn't. |
A free flat with every season ticket?! | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:45 - Oct 29 with 3655 views | Phildo |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:38 - Oct 29 by BazzaInTheLoft |
It will almost certainly involve homes or commercial property. Not a single stadium built since the 70s hasn't. |
then the local elected representatives ought to propose something along those lines | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:49 - Oct 29 with 3686 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:45 - Oct 29 by Phildo |
then the local elected representatives ought to propose something along those lines |
They are / have.
They want more community assets. A set of empty penthouses owned by Malaysians isn't a community asset. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:50 - Oct 29 with 3673 views | PinnerPaul |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:44 - Oct 29 by LythamR |
And i think the Councils view is that not only can fans get involved but they already are involved as stakeholders who have been funding the club in the borough for 100 years and continue to do so on a weekly basis and as such should not simply be dismissed because we are not multi millionaires |
TBF they are very good points and nice of you to articulate the council's thoughts.
They didn't actually say that though did they, just said 'fan based ownership' and threw in the word 'overseas' for good measure!
Final point, you use the word 'millionaire' as an insult, much like H & F - how is the +£1M MONTHLY loss supposed to be funded, if not by 'millionaires'??????? | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:56 - Oct 29 with 3644 views | nadera78 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 23:40 - Oct 28 by GloryHunter |
Doesn't actually explain how they would plan to do it. Are there any further links? |
No, nothing else that I've seen. It's interesting in that it's a speculative document based upon the research used by the architects who drew up Briatore's ridiculous plans ten years ago. You would have to presume they've approached the club (why would they not?) and they're not interested. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:02 - Oct 29 with 3597 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Gonna leave this subject because i'm boring myself and others.
But before I do, beware Billionaires who look like they do are doing something for no profit (building a stadium). Of course they want something, and the only sellable asset we have other than the players is the land the ground is on.
They have spent billions on us. They are going to want it back, and the best way to do this other than promotion and a long stint in the Prem is the sale of prime West London land in exchange for cheap Motorway land (see Reading).
I hope this prophecy is wrong, but if I was going to do this, I would start a argument to create a justification for a out of borough move on the basis of obstinance from the council. [Post edited 29 Oct 2021 16:07]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:06 - Oct 29 with 3558 views | LongsufferingR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:49 - Oct 29 by BazzaInTheLoft |
They are / have.
They want more community assets. A set of empty penthouses owned by Malaysians isn't a community asset. |
Just a thought. How are they going to build loads of penthouses without building loads of flats beneath them? |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:09 - Oct 29 with 3537 views | W7Ranger |
Not sure if this has been suggeested before, but...
Can we not just dig down a bit?  |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:11 - Oct 29 with 3524 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:02 - Oct 29 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Gonna leave this subject because i'm boring myself and others.
But before I do, beware Billionaires who look like they do are doing something for no profit (building a stadium). Of course they want something, and the only sellable asset we have other than the players is the land the ground is on.
They have spent billions on us. They are going to want it back, and the best way to do this other than promotion and a long stint in the Prem is the sale of prime West London land in exchange for cheap Motorway land (see Reading).
I hope this prophecy is wrong, but if I was going to do this, I would start a argument to create a justification for a out of borough move on the basis of obstinance from the council. [Post edited 29 Oct 2021 16:07]
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You're not alone in your worries.
It's a long-term worry that will only go away when the club build a stadium and the ownership of that stadium is secure and transparent. | |
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