| Mark Field 10:04 - Jun 21 with 31508 views | Ebo |
Absolutely appalling and disgusting.
https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/jun/21/conservative-mp-mark-field-
He is now desperately trying to justify his actions. Bottom line, he knew she was a climate protester, he was angry that she was 'spoiling' his wealthy, privileged meal and he took action wholly expected from a bully boy misogynist. They all try to say sorry after the violence.
Would he have slammed a well built male and grabbed him by the throat? I think not. The man is a coward. If you or I was seen by a police officer doing this we’d be arrested. The same should apply here regardless if you support the protest or not, it does not give him the freedom to physically assault people. |  |
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| Mark Field on 15:01 - Jun 21 with 1569 views | Jango |
| Mark Field on 14:55 - Jun 21 by JackSomething |
I didn't call you racist. Interesting that's what you took from my post yesterday. Guilty conscience maybe? |
You didn’t need to and we both know that. I see you avoided my point though. |  | | |
| Mark Field (n/t) on 15:03 - Jun 21 with 1554 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Mark Field on 15:01 - Jun 21 by Jango |
You didn’t need to and we both know that. I see you avoided my point though. |
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| Mark Field on 15:13 - Jun 21 with 1526 views | CarregGlas |
Actual scenario — female protester walking quickly past diners, MP sees her as she’s almost past his seat he pushes her arm quickly and stands up, she tries to get past, he pushes her again, she tries to get past, he puts his hand on her shoulder and pushes turning her towards the exit. She tries to turn back, he puts his hand on the back of her neck and pushes her towards the door to eject from private property. Throughout the MP is forceful and because he is using physical force against another person you could say this is assault but at no time does there seem to be any intention to hurt the protester, merely an intention to prevent access to Hammond. The protesters unannounced, unknown and rapid beeline for Hammond carried the threat of violence at least at the same level as that used by the MP. The Protestor was carrying some type of clutch bag, no one other than the protestors would’ve known whether there was any additional threat. Was she going to milk shake him? MP didn’t know but he may have sensed a potential confrontation about to occur and he intervened. He appears to try several times to make the woman desist before resorting to more force when he grabbed her neck.
Are we to say that women in red dresses and lipstick should be subject to different rules? Do we now desist in equality? Women have been wearing the marines green beret since 2002.
Alternative scenario — As above but read, Female MP prevents male protestor from exhorting potential attack whilst apprehending the potential assailant. How do we all view the events then? Well done lady? That would surely be the reaction of the majority.
I have a 16 year old daughter whom I would support if she chose to protest. However, she would be absolutely clear in her understanding that should she choose to trespass a private property then she should expect to be confronted with suitable force aimed at her removal. At which point, I would be bitterly disappointed if she couldn’t handle herself and dispatch her own suitable measure of self-defence. From that perspective, had the protestor dispatched suitable force on Mark Field, she would’ve had my utmost respect, purely as a result of my distain for the current crop of politicians.
Is it right for a man to man handle a woman? That question shouldn’t even be asked, it shouldn’t be any different to the force exerted on man or woman, otherwise, the call for equality is undermined. The real issue is whether there could’ve been any imminent threat? - yes
Is it right for a woman to appear threatening to a group of politicians? No but neither is it for men
Is it right for politicians to create situations which provoke eco protest? Certainly not. | | | |
| Mark Field on 15:15 - Jun 21 with 1521 views | costalotta |
| Mark Field on 14:09 - Jun 21 by costalotta |
I never thought I’d say this to any poster on this forum. But if you believe this is a right versus left thing then you are one sad individual.
Regards the party scenario...That was your scenario, you introduce it and then call it irrelevant, are you for real? And...
What’s so difficult about the questions I ask you that you don’t answer, yet in the spirit of discussion I answer yours? |
As per form Bluey you not only cannot back up your own claims (other thread re opportunities), you invent scenarios to pose a question, then forget that it was your scenario when you label said scenario irrelevant. You can’t be taken seriously can you? |  | | |
| Mark Field on 15:26 - Jun 21 with 1491 views | Humpty |
| Mark Field on 15:13 - Jun 21 by CarregGlas |
Actual scenario — female protester walking quickly past diners, MP sees her as she’s almost past his seat he pushes her arm quickly and stands up, she tries to get past, he pushes her again, she tries to get past, he puts his hand on her shoulder and pushes turning her towards the exit. She tries to turn back, he puts his hand on the back of her neck and pushes her towards the door to eject from private property. Throughout the MP is forceful and because he is using physical force against another person you could say this is assault but at no time does there seem to be any intention to hurt the protester, merely an intention to prevent access to Hammond. The protesters unannounced, unknown and rapid beeline for Hammond carried the threat of violence at least at the same level as that used by the MP. The Protestor was carrying some type of clutch bag, no one other than the protestors would’ve known whether there was any additional threat. Was she going to milk shake him? MP didn’t know but he may have sensed a potential confrontation about to occur and he intervened. He appears to try several times to make the woman desist before resorting to more force when he grabbed her neck.
Are we to say that women in red dresses and lipstick should be subject to different rules? Do we now desist in equality? Women have been wearing the marines green beret since 2002.
Alternative scenario — As above but read, Female MP prevents male protestor from exhorting potential attack whilst apprehending the potential assailant. How do we all view the events then? Well done lady? That would surely be the reaction of the majority.
I have a 16 year old daughter whom I would support if she chose to protest. However, she would be absolutely clear in her understanding that should she choose to trespass a private property then she should expect to be confronted with suitable force aimed at her removal. At which point, I would be bitterly disappointed if she couldn’t handle herself and dispatch her own suitable measure of self-defence. From that perspective, had the protestor dispatched suitable force on Mark Field, she would’ve had my utmost respect, purely as a result of my distain for the current crop of politicians.
Is it right for a man to man handle a woman? That question shouldn’t even be asked, it shouldn’t be any different to the force exerted on man or woman, otherwise, the call for equality is undermined. The real issue is whether there could’ve been any imminent threat? - yes
Is it right for a woman to appear threatening to a group of politicians? No but neither is it for men
Is it right for politicians to create situations which provoke eco protest? Certainly not. |
If she was any kind of credible threat others would have intervened. They didn't.
Field did and by the look on his face it looked like his temper had got the better of him. |  | | |
| Mark Field on 15:39 - Jun 21 with 1469 views | Jacket |
There's a danger for us, by over-reacting to each case of social media outrage to allow right-wing populist dicks to take full control of refrains like 'PC gone mad' and 'Health and safety gone mad'. As someone who hates these dicks, we're making it too easy for these guys, many of which are more than slightly senile, to take control of the narrative. PC gone mad taps into a theory that things aren't what they used to be when these right-winger has beens were in their prime, that the world is not what it used to be in the pre-EU days. By 1975 many Brexit voters and hard rightists were already in a downward spiral, making leaving the EU somehow a means for them to go back to their youth when people wern't PC namby pambies obsessed with health and safety and oversnsitive and easily offended and outraged. We're making it too easy for these furckin thickos, and we need to wake up, or these populist will have taken over. | | | |
| Mark Field on 15:56 - Jun 21 with 1440 views | Ebo |
Didn't make physical contact and wanted a word with the reporter. Big difference from slamming someone into a pillar, grabbing by the throat and neck.
HOUSE! Corbyn bingo has started. EYES DOWN!!! | |
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| Mark Field on 16:09 - Jun 21 with 1430 views | JackSomething |
| Mark Field on 14:56 - Jun 21 by bluey_the_blue |
So no examples, just your perception. Righty-o. |
It's tortuous enough reading your posts once. Regular posters on here know exactly what I'm talking about and if you have a shred of self-awareness, so do you. |  |
| You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help. |
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| Mark Field on 16:11 - Jun 21 with 1422 views | sioni |
| Mark Field on 10:15 - Jun 21 by Darran |
Another massive overreaction.
Anyone know what her injuries are? |
Yes,you are right. A massive overreaction from the big bully boy. If he had done that to me I would not have given myself a thorough inspection to determine the strength of my reaction. | | | |
| Mark Field on 16:12 - Jun 21 with 1422 views | Lohengrin |
| Mark Field on 15:39 - Jun 21 by Jacket |
There's a danger for us, by over-reacting to each case of social media outrage to allow right-wing populist dicks to take full control of refrains like 'PC gone mad' and 'Health and safety gone mad'. As someone who hates these dicks, we're making it too easy for these guys, many of which are more than slightly senile, to take control of the narrative. PC gone mad taps into a theory that things aren't what they used to be when these right-winger has beens were in their prime, that the world is not what it used to be in the pre-EU days. By 1975 many Brexit voters and hard rightists were already in a downward spiral, making leaving the EU somehow a means for them to go back to their youth when people wern't PC namby pambies obsessed with health and safety and oversnsitive and easily offended and outraged. We're making it too easy for these furckin thickos, and we need to wake up, or these populist will have taken over. |
You couldn’t buy that!   |  |
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| Mark Field on 16:13 - Jun 21 with 1416 views | Darran |
| Mark Field on 15:56 - Jun 21 by Ebo |
Didn't make physical contact and wanted a word with the reporter. Big difference from slamming someone into a pillar, grabbing by the throat and neck.
HOUSE! Corbyn bingo has started. EYES DOWN!!! |
Funniest post on here in days.
Listen to this mun. |  |
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| Mark Field on 16:19 - Jun 21 with 1398 views | majorraglan |
| Mark Field on 11:54 - Jun 21 by bluey_the_blue |
If he believed an assault was to be committed, he was entitled to do so. He seemed to use a minimum of force; it's a fine line certainly but he was hardly throwing punches for example.
Again, if she'd been found to be carrying a weapon, acid, whatever would inactivity have been the correct option? Given attacks on politicians increasing, you can't say he was wrong to do something. You can argue if that something was correct...
The real issue is what the fvck security were doing to even allow them into the area. |
If he believed an indictable offence was going to be committed then he could have arrested her, so if you are talking about assaults that would have to be one where the injuries are more serious injuries. He did not use the minimum amount of force, the minimum amount of Force would have meant communicating with her first and asking her to stop, it’s what the police do. If you watch how they policed the recent protests in London they always ask the protestors if there’s anything they can do to persuade them to cooperate or desist from what they are doing, it’s only after that do they apply reasonable Force. This woman is carrying a bag and some leaflets in her hand, the guy pushes her straight in to a pillar, grabs her by the scruff and frog marches her out. No obvious signs of dialogue before hand!
Arresting her to prevent a Breach of the Peace under Common Law was an option for him.
In reality, the woman shouldn’t have been there and that’s an issue for security. This guy is a minister of state and his behaviour isn’t acceptable. I can’t see him being charged with any offences, but his conduct in my opinion is well below what is acceptable. | | | |
| Mark Field on 16:28 - Jun 21 with 1389 views | sioni |
| Mark Field on 10:22 - Jun 21 by trinityann |
How to you know she posed no physical threat, she could have been carrying a knife. |
No. I think he thought she was carrying cyanide pills to commit suicide and that he acted as he did in order to save herself from herself. You can see that from the determination on his face and the applause from those self acclaimed supporters of law and order in attendance. | | | |
| Mark Field on 16:29 - Jun 21 with 1384 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Mark Field on 15:13 - Jun 21 by CarregGlas |
Actual scenario — female protester walking quickly past diners, MP sees her as she’s almost past his seat he pushes her arm quickly and stands up, she tries to get past, he pushes her again, she tries to get past, he puts his hand on her shoulder and pushes turning her towards the exit. She tries to turn back, he puts his hand on the back of her neck and pushes her towards the door to eject from private property. Throughout the MP is forceful and because he is using physical force against another person you could say this is assault but at no time does there seem to be any intention to hurt the protester, merely an intention to prevent access to Hammond. The protesters unannounced, unknown and rapid beeline for Hammond carried the threat of violence at least at the same level as that used by the MP. The Protestor was carrying some type of clutch bag, no one other than the protestors would’ve known whether there was any additional threat. Was she going to milk shake him? MP didn’t know but he may have sensed a potential confrontation about to occur and he intervened. He appears to try several times to make the woman desist before resorting to more force when he grabbed her neck.
Are we to say that women in red dresses and lipstick should be subject to different rules? Do we now desist in equality? Women have been wearing the marines green beret since 2002.
Alternative scenario — As above but read, Female MP prevents male protestor from exhorting potential attack whilst apprehending the potential assailant. How do we all view the events then? Well done lady? That would surely be the reaction of the majority.
I have a 16 year old daughter whom I would support if she chose to protest. However, she would be absolutely clear in her understanding that should she choose to trespass a private property then she should expect to be confronted with suitable force aimed at her removal. At which point, I would be bitterly disappointed if she couldn’t handle herself and dispatch her own suitable measure of self-defence. From that perspective, had the protestor dispatched suitable force on Mark Field, she would’ve had my utmost respect, purely as a result of my distain for the current crop of politicians.
Is it right for a man to man handle a woman? That question shouldn’t even be asked, it shouldn’t be any different to the force exerted on man or woman, otherwise, the call for equality is undermined. The real issue is whether there could’ve been any imminent threat? - yes
Is it right for a woman to appear threatening to a group of politicians? No but neither is it for men
Is it right for politicians to create situations which provoke eco protest? Certainly not. |
That’s a great description.
Just not a description of what happened on this occasion.
There were around 30 protestors. It had been going on for a while before this incident. Peacefully and without malice.
The women were even appropriately dressed for the black tie event. Which was a nice touch. In evening dresses with sashes. The lady in question was carrying a not particularly threatening clutch.
It was obvious to all that it was peaceful. People were smiling. Including the Chancellor. There were a number of plain clothes security officers at the event. The women were escorted from the premises with little fuss with one exception.
The woman in question walked (didn’t run, didn’t ‘charge’, just walked) behind around 12 or 15 people, none of whom showed a single sign of slight nervousness let alone genuine concern. Field watched her walk towards him - you can see it in the video footage. When close enough he shoved here against the wall and frogmarched her out holding her neck. An action that he wouldn’t have taken if he’d believed any actual threat existed, since someone with a knife isn’t put off by a hand at the back of the neck leaving arms free.
He (or actually his lawyers) put out a statement at 2am when the longer footage hit the internet, provided by ITV. The statement, and claims of feeling she could be a danger, are a typical lawyer response attempting to get his defence in before the accusations fully took off.
It was assault. You’re not allowed to do that to people - male or female makes no difference (other than he quite likely would have stayed put if it had been a big bloke, but that’s simply speculation).
He’s been rightly suspended.
After further investigation he may well lose his job. He would do in virtually all other jobs if he behaved like that.
Oh, and Bluey - you sound like a complete moron.
Greenpeace will be delighted with the publicity. They will love the fact that a minister has been unable to control his temper. But that doesn’t change anything. If she had given him a good slap (which you seem to suggest) she’d have been rightly charged for assault as well. | | | |
| Mark Field on 16:36 - Jun 21 with 1382 views | Wingstandwood |
| Mark Field on 15:39 - Jun 21 by Jacket |
There's a danger for us, by over-reacting to each case of social media outrage to allow right-wing populist dicks to take full control of refrains like 'PC gone mad' and 'Health and safety gone mad'. As someone who hates these dicks, we're making it too easy for these guys, many of which are more than slightly senile, to take control of the narrative. PC gone mad taps into a theory that things aren't what they used to be when these right-winger has beens were in their prime, that the world is not what it used to be in the pre-EU days. By 1975 many Brexit voters and hard rightists were already in a downward spiral, making leaving the EU somehow a means for them to go back to their youth when people wern't PC namby pambies obsessed with health and safety and oversnsitive and easily offended and outraged. We're making it too easy for these furckin thickos, and we need to wake up, or these populist will have taken over. |
I now prefer to use the term common sense gone AWOL to 'PC gone mad' and 'Health and safety' gone mad!
Seriously! Some individuals (thicko's) stupid enough to fall off a step ladder have blamed their misfortune on the fact that they were not instructed how to safely use a step ladder in the first place.
Here's a quick tutorial that'll save many individuals days of time-wasting tuition... Place a step ladder on a firm even surface, walk up the step ladder by using both left and right feet i.e. do not hop, do not carry unmanageable loads and don't overreach. There you are! And? If you're an instinctive sort with the I.Q level of a 3+ year old child, you won't need any step ladder 'tution' anyhow. A bit like knowing that if you jump into a canal fully clothed you'll get wet.
Bucket design?... Same common sense applies! Always have a large hole at the end so you can pour water into it and never carry a bucket upside down because you'll find all the water that was previously poured into it will disappear immediately! |  |
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| Mark Field on 16:36 - Jun 21 with 1380 views | Humpty |
| Mark Field on 16:28 - Jun 21 by sioni |
No. I think he thought she was carrying cyanide pills to commit suicide and that he acted as he did in order to save herself from herself. You can see that from the determination on his face and the applause from those self acclaimed supporters of law and order in attendance. |
I just heard Tory MP Peter Bottomley on the radio musing about what she could have had in her little bag, including acid, a collapsible truncheon and "what they used at Salisbury", ie novichok.
I want my country back. This one's lost it's f*cking mind. | | | |
| Mark Field on 16:54 - Jun 21 with 1349 views | Darran |
| Mark Field on 16:29 - Jun 21 by londonlisa2001 |
That’s a great description.
Just not a description of what happened on this occasion.
There were around 30 protestors. It had been going on for a while before this incident. Peacefully and without malice.
The women were even appropriately dressed for the black tie event. Which was a nice touch. In evening dresses with sashes. The lady in question was carrying a not particularly threatening clutch.
It was obvious to all that it was peaceful. People were smiling. Including the Chancellor. There were a number of plain clothes security officers at the event. The women were escorted from the premises with little fuss with one exception.
The woman in question walked (didn’t run, didn’t ‘charge’, just walked) behind around 12 or 15 people, none of whom showed a single sign of slight nervousness let alone genuine concern. Field watched her walk towards him - you can see it in the video footage. When close enough he shoved here against the wall and frogmarched her out holding her neck. An action that he wouldn’t have taken if he’d believed any actual threat existed, since someone with a knife isn’t put off by a hand at the back of the neck leaving arms free.
He (or actually his lawyers) put out a statement at 2am when the longer footage hit the internet, provided by ITV. The statement, and claims of feeling she could be a danger, are a typical lawyer response attempting to get his defence in before the accusations fully took off.
It was assault. You’re not allowed to do that to people - male or female makes no difference (other than he quite likely would have stayed put if it had been a big bloke, but that’s simply speculation).
He’s been rightly suspended.
After further investigation he may well lose his job. He would do in virtually all other jobs if he behaved like that.
Oh, and Bluey - you sound like a complete moron.
Greenpeace will be delighted with the publicity. They will love the fact that a minister has been unable to control his temper. But that doesn’t change anything. If she had given him a good slap (which you seem to suggest) she’d have been rightly charged for assault as well. |
What was the lady in question actually carrying a not particularly threatening clutch Lis? | |
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| Mark Field on 17:07 - Jun 21 with 1328 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Mark Field on 16:54 - Jun 21 by Darran |
What was the lady in question actually carrying a not particularly threatening clutch Lis? |
Probably a suicide vest, 2 grenades, a 9 inch blade and an AK47.
Alternatively a lip stick and Oyster card. It’s a complete 50:50 really isn’t it.
Good job it was the latter as otherwise she’d have quite easily accessed it while Mr Muscles was escorting her out by the neck. | | | |
| Mark Field on 17:11 - Jun 21 with 1321 views | Darran |
| Mark Field on 17:07 - Jun 21 by londonlisa2001 |
Probably a suicide vest, 2 grenades, a 9 inch blade and an AK47.
Alternatively a lip stick and Oyster card. It’s a complete 50:50 really isn’t it.
Good job it was the latter as otherwise she’d have quite easily accessed it while Mr Muscles was escorting her out by the neck. |
Ah right,I thought you’d know seeing as you know everything else,moron. | |
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| Mark Field on 17:13 - Jun 21 with 1316 views | Ebo |
| Mark Field on 16:13 - Jun 21 by Darran |
Funniest post on here in days.
Listen to this mun. |
Show me a video of Jezza grabbing someone by the throat ya thick bellend. | |
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| Mark Field on 17:18 - Jun 21 with 1301 views | Ebo |
| Mark Field on 16:29 - Jun 21 by londonlisa2001 |
That’s a great description.
Just not a description of what happened on this occasion.
There were around 30 protestors. It had been going on for a while before this incident. Peacefully and without malice.
The women were even appropriately dressed for the black tie event. Which was a nice touch. In evening dresses with sashes. The lady in question was carrying a not particularly threatening clutch.
It was obvious to all that it was peaceful. People were smiling. Including the Chancellor. There were a number of plain clothes security officers at the event. The women were escorted from the premises with little fuss with one exception.
The woman in question walked (didn’t run, didn’t ‘charge’, just walked) behind around 12 or 15 people, none of whom showed a single sign of slight nervousness let alone genuine concern. Field watched her walk towards him - you can see it in the video footage. When close enough he shoved here against the wall and frogmarched her out holding her neck. An action that he wouldn’t have taken if he’d believed any actual threat existed, since someone with a knife isn’t put off by a hand at the back of the neck leaving arms free.
He (or actually his lawyers) put out a statement at 2am when the longer footage hit the internet, provided by ITV. The statement, and claims of feeling she could be a danger, are a typical lawyer response attempting to get his defence in before the accusations fully took off.
It was assault. You’re not allowed to do that to people - male or female makes no difference (other than he quite likely would have stayed put if it had been a big bloke, but that’s simply speculation).
He’s been rightly suspended.
After further investigation he may well lose his job. He would do in virtually all other jobs if he behaved like that.
Oh, and Bluey - you sound like a complete moron.
Greenpeace will be delighted with the publicity. They will love the fact that a minister has been unable to control his temper. But that doesn’t change anything. If she had given him a good slap (which you seem to suggest) she’d have been rightly charged for assault as well. |
What this thread has unearthed Lisa is that casual misogyny is rife on PS.
I'm staggered but not completely surprised that people are defending Field and resorting to rampant 'whataboutery'.
If that was their wife or daughter they would be thinking very differently today and calling for the book to be thrown at him. | |
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| Mark Field on 17:18 - Jun 21 with 1300 views | Darran |
| Mark Field on 17:13 - Jun 21 by Ebo |
Show me a video of Jezza grabbing someone by the throat ya thick bellend. |
Show me a video of Field slamming someone into a pillar then grabbing them by the throat and neck and I will.
Honestly you’re a fuçking mess. | |
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| Mark Field on 17:19 - Jun 21 with 1298 views | JackSomething |
| Mark Field on 17:11 - Jun 21 by Darran |
Ah right,I thought you’d know seeing as you know everything else,moron. |
Stay classy Daz. | |
| You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help. |
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| Mark Field on 17:21 - Jun 21 with 1286 views | Ebo |
| Mark Field on 17:18 - Jun 21 by Darran |
Show me a video of Field slamming someone into a pillar then grabbing them by the throat and neck and I will.
Honestly you’re a fuçking mess. |
Fu ck me buy some glasses you freak. | |
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| Mark Field on 17:22 - Jun 21 with 1283 views | JackSomething |
| Mark Field on 17:18 - Jun 21 by Ebo |
What this thread has unearthed Lisa is that casual misogyny is rife on PS.
I'm staggered but not completely surprised that people are defending Field and resorting to rampant 'whataboutery'.
If that was their wife or daughter they would be thinking very differently today and calling for the book to be thrown at him. |
There were plenty on this forum defending Ched Evans (some of those are also present in this thread I believe) so we are in no doubt about the misogyny on PS. Alternatively look at the insults handed out by various posters when a female poster schools them comprehensively. It'd be worrying if they weren't so pitiful. | |
| You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help. |
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