| Pride tomorrow 23:04 - Jun 26 with 18955 views | Darran |
Another complete and utter waste of the countries money.
Just f*ck off and get on with your lives. |  |
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| Pride tomorrow on 19:12 - Jun 27 with 1696 views | VetchitBack |
| Pride tomorrow on 17:39 - Jun 27 by londonlisa2001 |
No they don't.
They promote sameness. That's why you see the service men and women marching in uniform, the police in uniform, the Fire Brigade, Ambulance Service, Nurses, Teachers and all the Trade Unions (the Miners still being particularly noticeable) marching alongside big corporations, gay people and straight people,men and women, all walking along together peacefully and partying.
It's all about saying that gay people are part of everyday, 'ordinary' society - they just happen to be gay and want to be (and these days are able to be) open about it rather than hidden away in the corner.
And someone opposing bigotry is not being bigoted for doing so. |
The fact that they have changed the name from Gay Pride to just Pride is an admission of the otherness I was referring to and an admirable attempt be more inclusive.
But it's still a glorious celebration of being homosexual and NOT being heterosexual.
Could you give me specific examples of the bigotry you've opposed on this thread I'm not sure if you're referring to me or not to be honest? |  |
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| Pride tomorrow on 19:14 - Jun 27 with 1696 views | ItchySphincter |
| Pride tomorrow on 19:10 - Jun 27 by Neath_Jack |
The masks always slip in these types of threads. Everytime, without fail.
Then comes the flounce. |
All rather pathetic, on all sides. |  |
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| Pride tomorrow on 19:21 - Jun 27 with 1658 views | Darran |
| Pride tomorrow on 19:07 - Jun 27 by Humpty |
People seriously call you names for being straight? Really?
Never happened to me in my life. And I'm struggling to think of something I'd be less upset about if someone did.
Are you sure you're not confusing people calling you names for being straight with people calling you names for saying bigoted things about gay people? |
Someone on here called me Ironside once. | |
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| Pride tomorrow on 19:22 - Jun 27 with 1657 views | VetchitBack |
| Pride tomorrow on 17:58 - Jun 27 by londonlisa2001 |
Strangely the 'White Pride' marches also can't avail themselves of corporate sponsorship to pay for the police costs either, so they are actually a drain on public money. The atmosphere at those marches also tends to be a little less party party. |
Not the best move to earlier cite the Notting Hill Carnival as an example of a celebration of Black Pride then infer that White Pride marches are violent. | |
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| Pride tomorrow on 19:42 - Jun 27 with 1642 views | Humpty |
| Pride tomorrow on 19:21 - Jun 27 by Darran |
Someone on here called me Ironside once. |
Sorry Dar but I can't think right now.
A gay bully just shouted "Hey! Straighty!" at me and I'm all a kerfuffle!
This didn't happen of course but I can't stop think how it might happen and how upsetting it would be.
F*cking gays! |  | | |
| Pride tomorrow on 20:19 - Jun 27 with 1619 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Pride tomorrow on 18:05 - Jun 27 by Davillin |
One apropros definition of "intolerance" is not accepting ["tolerating"] others whose views are different from one's own.
Now my question is in response to your last sentence: Why is it "intolerant" for someone to not accept homosexuality, but it is not "intolerant" for another to not accept the opinion of those who don't?
Some people are too quick to cry "intolerance" while being singularly intolerant themselves in doing so. |
It's not possible to 'not accept homosexuality'. It is possible to believe that people who are homosexual should not have equal rights, or that they should not express or celebrate their homosexuality or that they should not be allowed to practice homosexuality, but it's simply not possible to not accept its existence since its existence is irrefutable.
It's tantamount to saying that you don't accept the existence of black people.
I agree, however, that it is perfectly possible for people to be intolerant of other's intolerance. I, for example, am intolerant of racism, homophobia, sexism or any other form of discrimination.
That, however, doesn't make me a bigot. The opposite of bigotry is not bigotry.
Wonderful to see the White House lit up in the colours of the rainbow flag by the way - it must have made you very proud to see the Supreme Court rule as they did. "Land of the Free" enshrined in all its glory. Bravo. |  | | |
| Pride tomorrow on 20:26 - Jun 27 with 1606 views | ChrisSCFC |
| Pride tomorrow on 20:19 - Jun 27 by londonlisa2001 |
It's not possible to 'not accept homosexuality'. It is possible to believe that people who are homosexual should not have equal rights, or that they should not express or celebrate their homosexuality or that they should not be allowed to practice homosexuality, but it's simply not possible to not accept its existence since its existence is irrefutable.
It's tantamount to saying that you don't accept the existence of black people.
I agree, however, that it is perfectly possible for people to be intolerant of other's intolerance. I, for example, am intolerant of racism, homophobia, sexism or any other form of discrimination.
That, however, doesn't make me a bigot. The opposite of bigotry is not bigotry.
Wonderful to see the White House lit up in the colours of the rainbow flag by the way - it must have made you very proud to see the Supreme Court rule as they did. "Land of the Free" enshrined in all its glory. Bravo. |
Yeah you've said all that already give it a rest will you. |  | | |
| Pride tomorrow on 20:27 - Jun 27 with 1603 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Pride tomorrow on 19:12 - Jun 27 by VetchitBack |
The fact that they have changed the name from Gay Pride to just Pride is an admission of the otherness I was referring to and an admirable attempt be more inclusive.
But it's still a glorious celebration of being homosexual and NOT being heterosexual.
Could you give me specific examples of the bigotry you've opposed on this thread I'm not sure if you're referring to me or not to be honest? |
I wasn't referring to you - I was responding to the point you made about bigotry by saying that I believed that the opposite of bigotry is not bigotry.
And it's not a celebration of not being heterosexual in the slightest - there are as many straight people at Pride as gay people. It's a celebration of equality and acceptance as humans not difference.
It used to be more political and pro gay rights than it is now - that's because there were no rights when it started - you could be sacked for example for being gay let alone things like same sex marriage etc. Now it is a celebration, although it remains political in so far as it asks for equality throughout the world. | | | |
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| Pride tomorrow on 20:29 - Jun 27 with 1593 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Pride tomorrow on 19:22 - Jun 27 by VetchitBack |
Not the best move to earlier cite the Notting Hill Carnival as an example of a celebration of Black Pride then infer that White Pride marches are violent. |
I already mentioned that Carnival does take up a lot of police cost.
It's a shame though, as 99% of people attending are partying - there's just an unfortunate small % of people that cause a bit of trouble, although a lot less than in previous years when it went through a very bad patch.
I was simply mentioning it as you asked why there weren't black pride events. | | | |
| Pride tomorrow on 20:30 - Jun 27 with 1592 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Pride tomorrow on 19:42 - Jun 27 by Humpty |
Sorry Dar but I can't think right now.
A gay bully just shouted "Hey! Straighty!" at me and I'm all a kerfuffle!
This didn't happen of course but I can't stop think how it might happen and how upsetting it would be.
F*cking gays! |
"Breeder" is, I believe, the insult of choice. | | | |
| Pride tomorrow on 20:44 - Jun 27 with 1571 views | Darran |
| Pride tomorrow on 20:30 - Jun 27 by londonlisa2001 |
"Breeder" is, I believe, the insult of choice. |
Are you saying Homos call Hetros Breeders? | |
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| Pride tomorrow on 21:18 - Jun 27 with 1542 views | perchrockjack |
Lisa.
It is absolutely possible to not accept homosexuality. Biblical references make it clear man shalt not with man. Fundamental to many evangelical Christians.
Homosexuality is an abomination, it says, in the Old Testament.
You ll find the scripture near to the ones stating women obeying and serving their husband.
You are not correct, as you are not so with many of our posts but as they are articulate and rancour free..normally..it's ok by me. | |
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| Pride tomorrow on 21:26 - Jun 27 with 1528 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Pride tomorrow on 21:18 - Jun 27 by perchrockjack |
Lisa.
It is absolutely possible to not accept homosexuality. Biblical references make it clear man shalt not with man. Fundamental to many evangelical Christians.
Homosexuality is an abomination, it says, in the Old Testament.
You ll find the scripture near to the ones stating women obeying and serving their husband.
You are not correct, as you are not so with many of our posts but as they are articulate and rancour free..normally..it's ok by me. |
No it's not.
To say that you don't accept it is just ridiculous. You could say that you don't approve of it or don't agree with it but not that you don't accept its existence since it very obviously exists in both humans and also in virtually all other animal species.
The Old Testament says a lot of very stupid things, most of which I imagine that you happily ignore every single day. So why choose this one thing as something that you should follow? Why not choose the one about wearing mixed fibres, or growing different crops, or touching the flesh of a pig?
And that's only remotely relevant of course if you believe the Old Testament to be anything other than man's interpretation of what they believed to be right 2000 years ago. | | | |
| Pride tomorrow on 21:36 - Jun 27 with 1515 views | perchrockjack |
Yes it is ma am and please note for future reference my comments are not personally based.
You be mentioned Leviticus previously. Try Deuteronomy. It's all there.
My old fella is as fundamental as they come and homosexuals are filthy sodomistic perverts.
Now he s been a good father to me and basically a great family man.
Presumably , you d consider him filth for believing as he does.
Trust me ,girl, millions believe as he does and Wales is nor exactly overpopulated with religious liberalists, and yes that s another dig , as you constantly say. | |
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| Pride tomorrow on 21:39 - Jun 27 with 1512 views | Darran |
If we're doing the bible I want a drop of what Lazarus is drinking. | |
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| Pride tomorrow on 21:42 - Jun 27 with 1508 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Pride tomorrow on 21:36 - Jun 27 by perchrockjack |
Yes it is ma am and please note for future reference my comments are not personally based.
You be mentioned Leviticus previously. Try Deuteronomy. It's all there.
My old fella is as fundamental as they come and homosexuals are filthy sodomistic perverts.
Now he s been a good father to me and basically a great family man.
Presumably , you d consider him filth for believing as he does.
Trust me ,girl, millions believe as he does and Wales is nor exactly overpopulated with religious liberalists, and yes that s another dig , as you constantly say. |
I don't consider him filth even slightly!
I personally think that people should be allowed to do what they want as long as it doesn't adversely affect others. I cannot imagine what adverse impact someone being gay has on anyone. If you don't believe in gay marriage then don't marry a gay is fairly sensible advice.
But people are products of their time. I don't imagine your father to be anything other than a fine man, but he will be a product of his time in the way that we all are. It's all to do with our own experiences and influences isn't it?
But I think the recent vote in Ireland shows that there are far fewer people that think like that anymore than one might imagine.
Now, I am working at 5 in the morning, so I will bid you a good night ! | | | |
| Pride tomorrow on 22:22 - Jun 27 with 1485 views | Humpty |
| Pride tomorrow on 21:36 - Jun 27 by perchrockjack |
Yes it is ma am and please note for future reference my comments are not personally based.
You be mentioned Leviticus previously. Try Deuteronomy. It's all there.
My old fella is as fundamental as they come and homosexuals are filthy sodomistic perverts.
Now he s been a good father to me and basically a great family man.
Presumably , you d consider him filth for believing as he does.
Trust me ,girl, millions believe as he does and Wales is nor exactly overpopulated with religious liberalists, and yes that s another dig , as you constantly say. |
So there we are then. It's OK to hate gays because Perch's dad does. | | | |
| Pride tomorrow on 22:28 - Jun 27 with 1476 views | Darran |
| Pride tomorrow on 22:22 - Jun 27 by Humpty |
So there we are then. It's OK to hate gays because Perch's dad does. |
Haha a great uncle of mine used the word coon a few years ago and my cousin at to pull me away when I called him a decrepit old c*nt.
My cousin reckoned he was from an era.  | |
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| Pride tomorrow on 22:36 - Jun 27 with 1469 views | Humpty |
| Pride tomorrow on 22:28 - Jun 27 by Darran |
Haha a great uncle of mine used the word coon a few years ago and my cousin at to pull me away when I called him a decrepit old c*nt.
My cousin reckoned he was from an era. |
I hate black people. It's OK to do so because Darren's great uncle does too.
That's how it works yeah? | | | |
| Pride tomorrow on 22:41 - Jun 27 with 1455 views | Dull1Thomas |
| Pride tomorrow on 20:29 - Jun 27 by londonlisa2001 |
I already mentioned that Carnival does take up a lot of police cost.
It's a shame though, as 99% of people attending are partying - there's just an unfortunate small % of people that cause a bit of trouble, although a lot less than in previous years when it went through a very bad patch.
I was simply mentioning it as you asked why there weren't black pride events. |
Notting Hill Carnival is brilliant - majority Afro Caribbean but tons of others from all aver including the some peoples precious white race (  ) and me occasionally.
Trouble in the past had a lot to do with heavy policing but most years very safe considering the number of people, inebriation and usual crime rate in the area. | |
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| Pride tomorrow on 23:39 - Jun 27 with 1420 views | ScoobyWho |
| Pride tomorrow on 22:41 - Jun 27 by Dull1Thomas |
Notting Hill Carnival is brilliant - majority Afro Caribbean but tons of others from all aver including the some peoples precious white race ( ) and me occasionally.
Trouble in the past had a lot to do with heavy policing but most years very safe considering the number of people, inebriation and usual crime rate in the area. |
Congratulations on your post being the most convuluted way of attacking coppers I have read.
Trust me if they weren't there there would be handfulls of murders.
Stupid post. |  |
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| Pride tomorrow on 00:44 - Jun 28 with 1395 views | Lohengrin |
I wonder how long the Morriston Carnival would last if it was accompanied every year by its quota of murder, rape and mugging?
It's a curious thing to contemplate that a country as small as our island should have lives, morals and outlooks on life that are seemingly hermetically sealed from others? I wonder if the same is true of France or Germany or Norway? A section cleave to the national ideal whilst others embrace this rootless, commercialised cosmopolitanism? |  |
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| Pride tomorrow on 01:30 - Jun 28 with 1370 views | ScoobyWho |
| Pride tomorrow on 00:44 - Jun 28 by Lohengrin |
I wonder how long the Morriston Carnival would last if it was accompanied every year by its quota of murder, rape and mugging?
It's a curious thing to contemplate that a country as small as our island should have lives, morals and outlooks on life that are seemingly hermetically sealed from others? I wonder if the same is true of France or Germany or Norway? A section cleave to the national ideal whilst others embrace this rootless, commercialised cosmopolitanism? |
Im pretty certain the countries you mentioned are as overwhelmed as we are when it comes to the identity of who they are, or perceive themselves to be. Long lost origins, be that colour religion or identity seems to be the issue, and I for one see things changing daily and so dramatically in this country. We are readily leaning towards minorities, wasting masses of public money on non UK nationals both here and abroad that the divide will be so great in ten years the inevitable explosion will occur.
Or we become so diverse in our make up the UK becomes a swimming pool of nationalities all claming off the tax payer and contributing towards crime, birth, death and indeed taxes from their earnings.
It hasn't happened yet because the govt continue to hand out hundreds and thousands each week to families seated directly in front of a fifty inch screen most days watching that cnt Jeremy Kyle and thinking it's real life. As long as they have enough free money for their brew, fags and whizz the lid will remain firmly on. And all the time the genetic make up of the country and its speech structure, ability and progress is marshalled by a super mix of cultures all jostling for position as the gravey train comes round each week with pay packets for the workers and free money for the non tax paying social miscreant, regardless of birth right or culture.
It may not be right, but it's how I see it. After four days off I need to get back to work 😂 | |
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| Pride tomorrow on 08:33 - Jun 28 with 1310 views | perchrockjack |
Hump.
If you haven't the intelligence to comment on what is posted then don't.
Wtf have I said me ol fella hates gays..
Contempt, pity yes but not hate, there sea difference.
Perverted sodomites yes.
it's not hard.
Don't draw conclusions as others do. It's been pointed out before.
Tricky. | |
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| Pride tomorrow on 08:40 - Jun 28 with 1309 views | Neath_Jack |
I bet all the blokes moaning about the awful gays, like the thought of lesbicans though eh. |  |
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