| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters 11:01 - Jan 10 with 38624 views | _ |
I've not been around for a little while enjoying Christmas and the new year but been checking in from time to time.
I understand you have banned two Planet Swans legends and why?
I've noticed your over reactions time and time again of late and I think you forget you are the Trust Chairman when you react so. You have repeatedly banned Spratty also and it's all too pathetic.
Don't cross swords with these guys if you can't take it Phil. I've read your comebacks to them and me and sitting in front of the buttons doesn't give you carte blanche to decide who stays or not.
This site would be nothing without its characters and for every person thatgets on your tits there's others that enjoy what they have to say.
You clearly can't take any heat and that worries me in your position especially with big decisions about to be made.
There are posters you let run havoc on here that are universally hated, even by your close friends and associates and there are many a good poster that has left because of them. We've all got the option to ban by simply pressing ignore as you keep instructing posters to do....that is until you lock horns with them, they make you look silly and you ban them.
Grow up, grow a set and don't post if you can't take a little flak. If you allow the likes of Darran, Jackfath and Dick free roam on here you should be man enough to allow Shaky and Parlay.
I look out for these guys posts along with selected others and they make the place worth visiting.
It's petty and childish and you should be above that in your important position, don't forget that.
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:35 - Jan 11 with 1148 views | Dr_Winston |
The problem is as I've said before some people see the ability to post on here as an inalienable right. It isn't. It's Phil's board. If he doesn't want certain people to post here he's within his rights to prevent them from doing so. If he's happy to allow anyone and everyone to post on here then it's his right to do so.
It's not as if it's the only Swans forum out there. If people don't like it or the way Phil runs it they're more than free to post elsewhere. |  |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:36 - Jan 11 with 1146 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:24 - Jan 11 by _ |
But what if you knew categorically you were innocent Mon?
What if the girl was wide awake and willing? Just what if? How could you be sure she wouldn't remember anything the following day and all this crazy affair was to unfold?
Is that a bad judgement or something really sinister? Have you never been on a crazy night out before? What if your whole life changed because of something where you know in your heart of hearts you did nothing wrong?
We hear enough about women's rights and them being the fairer sex etc etc etc, but we are all human beings regardless of sex and we are both capable of making bad judgements. |
What if she wasn't wide awake and willing? That's rape. At the very least Evans is a sleazy f*cker and at worst and currently he's a rapist. |  |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:39 - Jan 11 with 1136 views | monmouth |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:24 - Jan 11 by _ |
But what if you knew categorically you were innocent Mon?
What if the girl was wide awake and willing? Just what if? How could you be sure she wouldn't remember anything the following day and all this crazy affair was to unfold?
Is that a bad judgement or something really sinister? Have you never been on a crazy night out before? What if your whole life changed because of something where you know in your heart of hearts you did nothing wrong?
We hear enough about women's rights and them being the fairer sex etc etc etc, but we are all human beings regardless of sex and we are both capable of making bad judgements. |
I can't answer that. Essentially that has to be what a system of justice is all about. I would like to think I would have behaved differently on the night (she was drunk, he wasn't) and certainly since indictment, but I'm not first in the queue to throw stones for stupid behaviour for sure.
So who can say? The jury that saw all the evidence is the only answer. |  |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:42 - Jan 11 with 1127 views | _ |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:35 - Jan 11 by Dr_Winston |
The problem is as I've said before some people see the ability to post on here as an inalienable right. It isn't. It's Phil's board. If he doesn't want certain people to post here he's within his rights to prevent them from doing so. If he's happy to allow anyone and everyone to post on here then it's his right to do so.
It's not as if it's the only Swans forum out there. If people don't like it or the way Phil runs it they're more than free to post elsewhere. |
It really isn't though Doc.
I do get your point mate, but it's illogical to say so.
The whole point of this forum is that it's a public forum for all to enjoy, in fact it's very much a case of more the merrier. If Phil wanted a private forum he wouldn't be running Planet Swans.
He's the site owner but more importantly the guardian of the place and as a result should be impartial to one and all.
And Cudey... It's all what if's and buts and I'm sorry but I'm not willing to hang, dry and quarter him on what I've heard about the case. Not in a million years.
In my eyes the girl, to quote you, is as sleazy as him, if that's what you want to describe it by. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:46 - Jan 11 with 1119 views | _ |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:39 - Jan 11 by monmouth |
I can't answer that. Essentially that has to be what a system of justice is all about. I would like to think I would have behaved differently on the night (she was drunk, he wasn't) and certainly since indictment, but I'm not first in the queue to throw stones for stupid behaviour for sure.
So who can say? The jury that saw all the evidence is the only answer. |
He was drunk wasn't he? He was on a night out as well? His mate told him he had a bird there and clearly suggested he got his ass round for a bit of fun and said girl was hardly the innocent, demure type was she. She wasn't forced there, she was throwing herself at them from what I've seen and heard. These are two footballers after all...
Maybe I've had too many crazy nights out it seems. Equality is important and never more so than in a case like this. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:46 - Jan 11 with 1110 views | exiledclaseboy |
You're entitled to your view. I'm not one for blaming rape victims for the fact that they were raped but maybe that's just me. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:47 - Jan 11 with 1109 views | ApeShit |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:35 - Jan 11 by Dr_Winston |
The problem is as I've said before some people see the ability to post on here as an inalienable right. It isn't. It's Phil's board. If he doesn't want certain people to post here he's within his rights to prevent them from doing so. If he's happy to allow anyone and everyone to post on here then it's his right to do so.
It's not as if it's the only Swans forum out there. If people don't like it or the way Phil runs it they're more than free to post elsewhere. |
You make it sound like a dictatorship.
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:48 - Jan 11 with 1106 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:46 - Jan 11 by _ |
He was drunk wasn't he? He was on a night out as well? His mate told him he had a bird there and clearly suggested he got his ass round for a bit of fun and said girl was hardly the innocent, demure type was she. She wasn't forced there, she was throwing herself at them from what I've seen and heard. These are two footballers after all...
Maybe I've had too many crazy nights out it seems. Equality is important and never more so than in a case like this. |
That's the type of thing that sickens me about this debate. What you've essentially said there is "she was gagging for it" which has traditionally been the rapist's standard defence. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:53 - Jan 11 with 1093 views | _ |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:46 - Jan 11 by exiledclaseboy |
You're entitled to your view. I'm not one for blaming rape victims for the fact that they were raped but maybe that's just me. |
Ok but just be man enough to admit you could be wrong and had you been there you may back Ched to the hilt.
I would. If Ched had forced himself on her against her will then he would deserve all he gets, but there's been nothing to suggest this from what I've read and heard.
Would you describe the girl as sleazy? I mean, take Ched out of the equation, she was flaunting herself in a kebab shop, urinating in a shop window, flashing the Vicks at passing cars and heading off to a guy she'd never met before's hotel room for a "special" pizza? | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:54 - Jan 11 with 1090 views | monmouth |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:46 - Jan 11 by _ |
He was drunk wasn't he? He was on a night out as well? His mate told him he had a bird there and clearly suggested he got his ass round for a bit of fun and said girl was hardly the innocent, demure type was she. She wasn't forced there, she was throwing herself at them from what I've seen and heard. These are two footballers after all...
Maybe I've had too many crazy nights out it seems. Equality is important and never more so than in a case like this. |
I don't know mate. She might have thrown herself at the first bloke which is why he was found not guilty. Evans behaviour doesn't suggest at all that the same was true of him. The jury saw it all and clearly differentiated on all the evidence presented. Everything else is speculation based on personal bias, either way, for or against, no? Which is why positions are entrenched and nobody will change their mind. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:56 - Jan 11 with 1080 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:53 - Jan 11 by _ |
Ok but just be man enough to admit you could be wrong and had you been there you may back Ched to the hilt.
I would. If Ched had forced himself on her against her will then he would deserve all he gets, but there's been nothing to suggest this from what I've read and heard.
Would you describe the girl as sleazy? I mean, take Ched out of the equation, she was flaunting herself in a kebab shop, urinating in a shop window, flashing the Vicks at passing cars and heading off to a guy she'd never met before's hotel room for a "special" pizza? |
Yes of course, I wasn't there so I could be wrong. But as others have said, the only people who have heard all the evidence and the testimony of all those involved decided that Ched Evans raped the victim. That's good enough for me to be honest.
I haven't seen any of the girl's actions but I'd imagine they were exactly the same as many other girls in many other city centres every weekend. Sleazy? Probably yes. Does that mean she or anyone else is fair game to some bloke letting himself into a hotel room and raping her? No of course not. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:57 - Jan 11 with 1074 views | Dr_Winston |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:47 - Jan 11 by ApeShit |
You make it sound like a dictatorship.
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More like a pub. "Management reserve the right to refuse admission". | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:57 - Jan 11 with 1073 views | _ |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:48 - Jan 11 by exiledclaseboy |
That's the type of thing that sickens me about this debate. What you've essentially said there is "she was gagging for it" which has traditionally been the rapist's standard defence. |
You've got a lot of experience in rape cases then have you? To make a statement like that?
And hang on a sec.... Are you suggesting some girls are not?? I mean, wtf, really are you saying that??? | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:59 - Jan 11 with 1065 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:57 - Jan 11 by _ |
You've got a lot of experience in rape cases then have you? To make a statement like that?
And hang on a sec.... Are you suggesting some girls are not?? I mean, wtf, really are you saying that??? |
No more or less experience than you or anyone else who's commented on this case I'd say.
Am I suggesting that some girls aren't "gagging for it"? No. What I'm saying is that even if they are "gagging for it" if they don't consent then it's rape. Simple. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 13:02 - Jan 11 with 1053 views | monmouth |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:48 - Jan 11 by exiledclaseboy |
That's the type of thing that sickens me about this debate. What you've essentially said there is "she was gagging for it" which has traditionally been the rapist's standard defence. |
It's not really a debate though is it? Unless both sides in debate refuse to accept anything the other side says, which makes it pointless. Certainly that's how I feel about my own position without any new evidence being made available. It's just repetition now so I'm opting out. Hopefully that review panel pulls its finger out one way or the other. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 13:02 - Jan 11 with 1047 views | _ |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:56 - Jan 11 by exiledclaseboy |
Yes of course, I wasn't there so I could be wrong. But as others have said, the only people who have heard all the evidence and the testimony of all those involved decided that Ched Evans raped the victim. That's good enough for me to be honest.
I haven't seen any of the girl's actions but I'd imagine they were exactly the same as many other girls in many other city centres every weekend. Sleazy? Probably yes. Does that mean she or anyone else is fair game to some bloke letting himself into a hotel room and raping her? No of course not. |
I'd say it was pretty much told to her... My mate Ched is on his way around... I've read nothing as sinister in this case that you're trying to allude to. Nothing,
And I'm glad you have such solid faith in our justice system. Bear in mind we have ex coppers on this site posting. Can you imagine the facking carnage he would have been getting himself involved with over the years?? | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 13:04 - Jan 11 with 1035 views | Pacemaker |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:59 - Jan 11 by exiledclaseboy |
No more or less experience than you or anyone else who's commented on this case I'd say.
Am I suggesting that some girls aren't "gagging for it"? No. What I'm saying is that even if they are "gagging for it" if they don't consent then it's rape. Simple. |
Just for everyone's information the Sexual Offences Act of 2003 gave a new definition of rape. Consent has to be true consent by a person truely able to give consent so if you are under the influence of drink or drugs there is potential that before taking part in any sexual act you need to be really really sure that your partner is consenting.
1Rape
(1)A person (A) commits an offence if–
(a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b)B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c)A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
(2)Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.
(3)Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.
(4)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life. |  |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 13:05 - Jan 11 with 1030 views | Joe_bradshaw |
Of course there are countless girls who aren't "gagging for it".
I met most of them in my youth..... |  |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 13:06 - Jan 11 with 1029 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 13:02 - Jan 11 by _ |
I'd say it was pretty much told to her... My mate Ched is on his way around... I've read nothing as sinister in this case that you're trying to allude to. Nothing,
And I'm glad you have such solid faith in our justice system. Bear in mind we have ex coppers on this site posting. Can you imagine the facking carnage he would have been getting himself involved with over the years?? |
Your first point is pure speculation. Your second point is correct, miscarriages of justice do happen. When they do and they're discovered it's usually on the basis of new evidence or evidence that wasn't brought to light at the time. There is no new evidence in this case which is why Evans has been denied leave to appeal a few times (I believe). Rape cases have very low conviction rates. The fact that a guilty verdict was returned in this one suggests to me that the evidence was pretty strong in favour of that verdict. For some reason a lot of people want Evans to be innocent and want to paint his victim as being responsible for what's happened to her. I don't like that one bit and it's the sort of thing that ensures many rapes and sexual crimes go unreported and unpunished. And it mostly comes from men. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 13:06 - Jan 11 with 1022 views | _ |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 12:59 - Jan 11 by exiledclaseboy |
No more or less experience than you or anyone else who's commented on this case I'd say.
Am I suggesting that some girls aren't "gagging for it"? No. What I'm saying is that even if they are "gagging for it" if they don't consent then it's rape. Simple. |
Hmm well by you admitting that some girls are actually gagging for it then I fail to see how they could end up in rape cases, even if it's only by the sheer definition of the word "gagging"! Remember the girl didn't even cry rape, didn't ever press any charges.
I'll leave you with that one.
And Doc, it wouldn't be much of a pub without fairness to all its patrons. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 13:08 - Jan 11 with 1015 views | Phil_S |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 11:39 - Jan 11 by exiledclaseboy |
I'm not about to speak for Phil here but it may well be that he got to a point yesterday where he'd had a titfull of it. I think that to call his fitness to be Chairman of the Trust into question because some people disagree with the way he runs a privately-owned forum that he's operated for well over a decade is bang out of order. In my opinion. Other opinions are of course available. |
This is it for me. And yesterday I had had a gutful. You have one person on here questioning me as a man because I had not answered his question (and like it or not that is what happened) and then someone else questions my ability to lead the Trust because I elected to ban him for it.
Time for someone else to take on the mantle maybe lets hope it makes the Trust stronger as a result
Shaky was out of order and most people saw it so he loses his rights to post on this board and actually it has sod all to do with the Trust and never will do. Been ,more than fair to him despite his sneering at not listening to what he said despite him saying he didn't want us to. The moment he stepped way too far over the line he went.
parlay went as well, on relfection for now that was the wrong decision which is why he is back.
So many people believe they could do a better job and yet some have tried and walked away within minutes of trying. Others just don't bother because it is easier to knock than actually stand up and try to do something
That is all I have to say on the subject so carry on picking holes in it as much as you want to.
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 13:13 - Jan 11 with 993 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 13:06 - Jan 11 by _ |
Hmm well by you admitting that some girls are actually gagging for it then I fail to see how they could end up in rape cases, even if it's only by the sheer definition of the word "gagging"! Remember the girl didn't even cry rape, didn't ever press any charges.
I'll leave you with that one.
And Doc, it wouldn't be much of a pub without fairness to all its patrons. |
Seems that this girl was "gagging for it" with Ched's mate. Which is why she went to a hotel with him and why he was found not guilty of rape. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 13:15 - Jan 11 with 991 views | Darran |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 13:08 - Jan 11 by Phil_S |
This is it for me. And yesterday I had had a gutful. You have one person on here questioning me as a man because I had not answered his question (and like it or not that is what happened) and then someone else questions my ability to lead the Trust because I elected to ban him for it.
Time for someone else to take on the mantle maybe lets hope it makes the Trust stronger as a result
Shaky was out of order and most people saw it so he loses his rights to post on this board and actually it has sod all to do with the Trust and never will do. Been ,more than fair to him despite his sneering at not listening to what he said despite him saying he didn't want us to. The moment he stepped way too far over the line he went.
parlay went as well, on relfection for now that was the wrong decision which is why he is back.
So many people believe they could do a better job and yet some have tried and walked away within minutes of trying. Others just don't bother because it is easier to knock than actually stand up and try to do something
That is all I have to say on the subject so carry on picking holes in it as much as you want to.
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 13:17 - Jan 11 with 986 views | monmouth |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 13:08 - Jan 11 by Phil_S |
This is it for me. And yesterday I had had a gutful. You have one person on here questioning me as a man because I had not answered his question (and like it or not that is what happened) and then someone else questions my ability to lead the Trust because I elected to ban him for it.
Time for someone else to take on the mantle maybe lets hope it makes the Trust stronger as a result
Shaky was out of order and most people saw it so he loses his rights to post on this board and actually it has sod all to do with the Trust and never will do. Been ,more than fair to him despite his sneering at not listening to what he said despite him saying he didn't want us to. The moment he stepped way too far over the line he went.
parlay went as well, on relfection for now that was the wrong decision which is why he is back.
So many people believe they could do a better job and yet some have tried and walked away within minutes of trying. Others just don't bother because it is easier to knock than actually stand up and try to do something
That is all I have to say on the subject so carry on picking holes in it as much as you want to.
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Don't flounce mun. At least 95% back you on trust and message board. I would have added a permanent rider to all shaky's posts months ago saying ' I'm talking sh1t' if I had the buttons. | |
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| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 13:19 - Jan 11 with 977 views | Phil_S |
| Phil Sumbler, Planet Swans, Bans, disliking posters on 13:17 - Jan 11 by monmouth |
Don't flounce mun. At least 95% back you on trust and message board. I would have added a permanent rider to all shaky's posts months ago saying ' I'm talking sh1t' if I had the buttons. |
There's no flouncing at all - said it for many years if there are better people there then they are welcome to step up and take a go -- I could do many things with the hours per week it would save me like ban some more posters | | | |
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