| Any excuse on 18:47 - Mar 16 with 988 views | pencoedjack |
| Any excuse on 16:26 - Mar 16 by Highjack |
I never thought I’d say this but perhaps these tenuous protests should be curtailed a bit. It’s getting out of control. There are protests about some sort of nonsense almost on a daily basis from one of the many groups including the ones you just named. Must be a huge cost to police these things as well as the effect on the local area and it’s businesses. Protests used to mean something. Now when there’s loads everyday people just tend to sigh “not another one”. |
Time to buy some water cannons.
The police have far better things to do than play nicely with these morons who think they are hard done by. |  | |  |
| Any excuse on 18:52 - Mar 16 with 975 views | Flashberryjack |
This is a long read, but I think relevant of our times.
Keith, please delete if you think it inappropriate.
MATT JOHNSON
Ex-soldier. Ex-cop. Author
I’m done.
MARCH 16, 2021 / MATTJOHNSONAUTHOR
A police officer wrote this on March 15, 2021 at 5:27 pm. I’ve reproduced it here because I found it humbling, worrying and really quite frightening.
‘I’m a cop of 20 years. I’m leaving. I’m done.
I’m done with the duplicitous liars and twisters of truth in Parliament, who have destroyed policing in order to further their own careers. I’m done with those charlatans and snake oil salesmen and women who spread their bile, whose acid eats away at society and it’s values and future. I’m done with the utter lack of consequences for their corruption.
I’m done with duplicitous liars and twisters of truth in the media and “journalism” with their spin, lies, misrepresentation and half truths. I’m done with their 24 hours news, their twitter echo chambers, their pile on tactics and agendas, in order to invent the next “big” story or extend the life of the old one. I’m done with their sickening pretence that they are on some crusade to make the world a better place.
I’m done …
I’m done with the socially corrosive special interest groups who want to be top of the victimhood ladder and are prepared to burn the world and anyone different to them, to ensure they are heard above anyone else. Their constant screaming for attention and ever more fantastical claims, that bear no scrutiny, but which they know they will never be challenged on, because, you know “cancel culture”.
I’m done with the public, their violence, their lying, their abuse, their spitting, their constant screaming for instant gratification and destruction of anything and everyone around them if they don’t get their own way, like a bunch of petulant adolescents. I’m done with their demand for every right real or imagined and their utter lack of personal or social responsibility to each other.
I’m done with the senior officers who will jump on any bandwagon, throw any officer under a bus for doing their job, do anything at all to get that next rank and more power. I’m done with them pretending to be cops, when they are just politicians in uniform. At least real politicians don’t seek to hide their stench and are there for all the world to see, in all their obnoxious, odious glory.
I’m done with the far left and far right, two sides of the same violent, socially corrosive and destructive coin, trampling over anyone and everyone, destroying anything in their paths, if it doesn’t conform to the “right” narrative or world view. I’m done with their red and black flags, their balaclavas, their violence, bullying and intimidation. I’m done with them calling themselves Nazis or Antifa and pretending they are any different to the opposition. I’m done with their anti locution and persecution of anyone that isn’t on their side. I’m done with their cheerleaders in the media, who adopt their cause but absolve themselves of any responsibility for the harm they cause.
I’m done with the Soviet era scale bureaucracy that stops me doing my job, the projects that strangely never fail, the nepotism in the promotion boards and the boys and girls clubs in policing that look after each other, no matter how incompetent and screw everyone else who isn’t in their gang. I’m done with their self promoting cliques and associations, they hide behind when they are professionally incompetent, but always useful for a photo opportunity to make the force look good with whatever group is having their week or is fashionable that day.
I’m done with the (few) corrupt cops who drag all our names through the mud and the false narrative that the vast majority of front line cops are tainted.
I’m done seeing my brothers and sisters on the front line battered, criticised, unsupported and demoralised. I’m done with their fortitude, inherent goodness and sense of service, that makes them run forward, knowing the armchair critics will crucify them after. I’m done with their false hope that things will improve, that society will value them. I’m done with them being lied to by our leaders and then lying to themselves, that, maybe, just maybe, this time those leaders can be trusted, I’m done with seeing those youngster suffer and age far too fast as a decent life passes them by as they waste their lives on this.
I’m done with grandstanding cops, dancing for YouTube, wearing rainbows as self promotion, kneeling for a twitter photo, lecturing the public about things that shouldn’t concern us, forgetting we are the law police, not the public morals police, Im done with them doing anything other rather than actual policing. I’m done with the false narrative that suggests this is the norm and that all cops are more interested in being woke social workers than doing their job. A false narrative we have facilitated by allowing this self indulgent, shameless self promotion of a few individuals, to proliferate.
I’m done with cops being told they are somehow lesser without a degree and that instincts are bias and bad. That experience and street knowledge is discriminatory. I’m done with the lies that the College of Policing is on our side. That the courts value and support us. That the IOPC isn’t an insidiously untrustworthy organisation out to get us. That the HMIC understands policing.
I’m done with the anxiety, the anger, the constant state of heightened arousal in case of danger, even when I should be feeling safe in my own home. I’m done with the corrosive damage to my physical and mental health, sacrificed for a country and public, serving both in green and blue, for a country that couldn’t give a toss.
I’m done with the deaths, the suffering, the violence, the dishonesty, the predatory behaviour and all the other public faeces that you ask us to clean up.
I’m done with the the indescribable levels of frustration, rage, hate and despair that all the above has filled my life with, when all I wanted to do was look after the good people and lock up the bad. I’m done with the cynicism and distrust that it’s left me and the times I’ve put my family last, to ensure I was there for someone else’s. I’m done with the pain it causes them to see what this job does to us.
I’m a cop of 20 years service and I’m done with it. Sort your own mess up. Or don’t, and let it all collapse around you.
I’m done, and really don’t care anymore.’
This frightens me, and it should frighten you.
I hope it’s not to late to remind the few, when ill of them they speak,
That they are all that stands between the monsters and the weak. |  |
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| Any excuse on 19:35 - Mar 16 with 944 views | Catullus |
I've seen that Matt Johnson thing, it's not pretty but it's hard to disagree.
I keep calling politicians all sorts of names I wouldn't be allowed to use now (thanks Keith  ...blooming ex policemen lol) and nothing has changed my opinion.
This thing about violence against women, ok, it happens and I'm not saying otherwise but there is a lot more other violence out there too and it happens because humans are stupid, selfish greedy, nasty, temperamental beings BUT, a lot of this violence goes unreported. I think I read that only one third of violence or rapes on women are reported. How can the police do anything if it's not reported? Then there's the other violence, much of it happens (in my opinion) because we have little deterrent. There are no police around, rarely seen on the beat when they are around, usually seen passing in cars and vans. That isn't entirely their fault because there aren't enough of them, they quite literally are the thin blue line and they've been thinned out even more in recent years. We have more politicians than we had 40 years ago and we have less of pretty much everything else in public services. Where does the money go?
Can we have fewer politician and more public services please, more NHS staff, more teachers and yes, MORE POLICE. |  |
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| Any excuse on 19:38 - Mar 16 with 937 views | Flashberryjack |
| Any excuse on 19:35 - Mar 16 by Catullus |
I've seen that Matt Johnson thing, it's not pretty but it's hard to disagree.
I keep calling politicians all sorts of names I wouldn't be allowed to use now (thanks Keith ...blooming ex policemen lol) and nothing has changed my opinion.
This thing about violence against women, ok, it happens and I'm not saying otherwise but there is a lot more other violence out there too and it happens because humans are stupid, selfish greedy, nasty, temperamental beings BUT, a lot of this violence goes unreported. I think I read that only one third of violence or rapes on women are reported. How can the police do anything if it's not reported? Then there's the other violence, much of it happens (in my opinion) because we have little deterrent. There are no police around, rarely seen on the beat when they are around, usually seen passing in cars and vans. That isn't entirely their fault because there aren't enough of them, they quite literally are the thin blue line and they've been thinned out even more in recent years. We have more politicians than we had 40 years ago and we have less of pretty much everything else in public services. Where does the money go?
Can we have fewer politician and more public services please, more NHS staff, more teachers and yes, MORE POLICE. |
And less politicians. | |
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| Any excuse on 21:49 - Mar 16 with 903 views | KeithHaynes |
| Any excuse on 18:52 - Mar 16 by Flashberryjack |
This is a long read, but I think relevant of our times.
Keith, please delete if you think it inappropriate.
MATT JOHNSON
Ex-soldier. Ex-cop. Author
I’m done.
MARCH 16, 2021 / MATTJOHNSONAUTHOR
A police officer wrote this on March 15, 2021 at 5:27 pm. I’ve reproduced it here because I found it humbling, worrying and really quite frightening.
‘I’m a cop of 20 years. I’m leaving. I’m done.
I’m done with the duplicitous liars and twisters of truth in Parliament, who have destroyed policing in order to further their own careers. I’m done with those charlatans and snake oil salesmen and women who spread their bile, whose acid eats away at society and it’s values and future. I’m done with the utter lack of consequences for their corruption.
I’m done with duplicitous liars and twisters of truth in the media and “journalism” with their spin, lies, misrepresentation and half truths. I’m done with their 24 hours news, their twitter echo chambers, their pile on tactics and agendas, in order to invent the next “big” story or extend the life of the old one. I’m done with their sickening pretence that they are on some crusade to make the world a better place.
I’m done …
I’m done with the socially corrosive special interest groups who want to be top of the victimhood ladder and are prepared to burn the world and anyone different to them, to ensure they are heard above anyone else. Their constant screaming for attention and ever more fantastical claims, that bear no scrutiny, but which they know they will never be challenged on, because, you know “cancel culture”.
I’m done with the public, their violence, their lying, their abuse, their spitting, their constant screaming for instant gratification and destruction of anything and everyone around them if they don’t get their own way, like a bunch of petulant adolescents. I’m done with their demand for every right real or imagined and their utter lack of personal or social responsibility to each other.
I’m done with the senior officers who will jump on any bandwagon, throw any officer under a bus for doing their job, do anything at all to get that next rank and more power. I’m done with them pretending to be cops, when they are just politicians in uniform. At least real politicians don’t seek to hide their stench and are there for all the world to see, in all their obnoxious, odious glory.
I’m done with the far left and far right, two sides of the same violent, socially corrosive and destructive coin, trampling over anyone and everyone, destroying anything in their paths, if it doesn’t conform to the “right” narrative or world view. I’m done with their red and black flags, their balaclavas, their violence, bullying and intimidation. I’m done with them calling themselves Nazis or Antifa and pretending they are any different to the opposition. I’m done with their anti locution and persecution of anyone that isn’t on their side. I’m done with their cheerleaders in the media, who adopt their cause but absolve themselves of any responsibility for the harm they cause.
I’m done with the Soviet era scale bureaucracy that stops me doing my job, the projects that strangely never fail, the nepotism in the promotion boards and the boys and girls clubs in policing that look after each other, no matter how incompetent and screw everyone else who isn’t in their gang. I’m done with their self promoting cliques and associations, they hide behind when they are professionally incompetent, but always useful for a photo opportunity to make the force look good with whatever group is having their week or is fashionable that day.
I’m done with the (few) corrupt cops who drag all our names through the mud and the false narrative that the vast majority of front line cops are tainted.
I’m done seeing my brothers and sisters on the front line battered, criticised, unsupported and demoralised. I’m done with their fortitude, inherent goodness and sense of service, that makes them run forward, knowing the armchair critics will crucify them after. I’m done with their false hope that things will improve, that society will value them. I’m done with them being lied to by our leaders and then lying to themselves, that, maybe, just maybe, this time those leaders can be trusted, I’m done with seeing those youngster suffer and age far too fast as a decent life passes them by as they waste their lives on this.
I’m done with grandstanding cops, dancing for YouTube, wearing rainbows as self promotion, kneeling for a twitter photo, lecturing the public about things that shouldn’t concern us, forgetting we are the law police, not the public morals police, Im done with them doing anything other rather than actual policing. I’m done with the false narrative that suggests this is the norm and that all cops are more interested in being woke social workers than doing their job. A false narrative we have facilitated by allowing this self indulgent, shameless self promotion of a few individuals, to proliferate.
I’m done with cops being told they are somehow lesser without a degree and that instincts are bias and bad. That experience and street knowledge is discriminatory. I’m done with the lies that the College of Policing is on our side. That the courts value and support us. That the IOPC isn’t an insidiously untrustworthy organisation out to get us. That the HMIC understands policing.
I’m done with the anxiety, the anger, the constant state of heightened arousal in case of danger, even when I should be feeling safe in my own home. I’m done with the corrosive damage to my physical and mental health, sacrificed for a country and public, serving both in green and blue, for a country that couldn’t give a toss.
I’m done with the deaths, the suffering, the violence, the dishonesty, the predatory behaviour and all the other public faeces that you ask us to clean up.
I’m done with the the indescribable levels of frustration, rage, hate and despair that all the above has filled my life with, when all I wanted to do was look after the good people and lock up the bad. I’m done with the cynicism and distrust that it’s left me and the times I’ve put my family last, to ensure I was there for someone else’s. I’m done with the pain it causes them to see what this job does to us.
I’m a cop of 20 years service and I’m done with it. Sort your own mess up. Or don’t, and let it all collapse around you.
I’m done, and really don’t care anymore.’
This frightens me, and it should frighten you.
I hope it’s not to late to remind the few, when ill of them they speak,
That they are all that stands between the monsters and the weak. |
No reason to wipe this out mate, no reason at all. |  |
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| Any excuse on 21:50 - Mar 16 with 898 views | Flashberryjack |
| Any excuse on 18:19 - Mar 16 by onehunglow |
And I feel the same.
My son in law is ARV Interceptor and early 40s.He cannot wait to get out as he is a brilliant thief taker and still likes to defend the public from the serious shyte we know ruin live of good people.
The Police pension itself ha been ripped asunder by Teresa May who stated the Police were not a special case-to which I say,they should have the right,like any other employee,including FireFighters to withdraw labour.
It would be a kind of a trial for abolishing them as some want. |
I know a few in the police force, one has already quit, and the rest can't wait to get out, form filling and more form filling, nicking criminals and Political correctness make bad bed fellows. | |
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| Any excuse on 21:59 - Mar 16 with 889 views | KeithHaynes |
| Any excuse on 16:08 - Mar 16 by londonlisa2001 |
‘ The fact the alleged offender is a police officer ( of less than two years service ) suits many down to the ground. That alone says he isn’t an armed officer’
Not that’s it’s relevant, but the two years bit is when he transferred to the Met.
He was previously Kent Police and Civil Nuclear Constabulary where he did firearms training While at Dungeness.
I agree with some of what you have said, but the reality Keith is the Met really are not covering themselves with glory. The culture is horrific amongst some members. Yet again we’ve had an officer now found to have circulated abhorrent social media messages about this case (put on a desk job - why not instantly bloody sacked). Two officers taking selfies last year with the murdered bodies of two sisters - still in post. Many officers I’m sure are good and fine people, but there are some really horrific stories emerging on an almost weekly basis up here of what some of them are up to.
The reason a peaceful vigil scheduled for Saturday was highjacked by agitators, anti lockdown protestors and the ACAB mob, was because it was allowed to happen by the appalling misjudgement of the Met. Cressida Dick had ample opportunity to ensure it went off with zero fuss, and yet chose not to do so. The combination of her and Patel is truly concerning.
And I’m as far away from an agitator as it’s possible to be. If middle aged, professional women like me are viewing the police with mistrust and, in some cases, contempt, you know something’s going badly wrong. |
I only judged the individual from the information I had, I didn’t realise he was a transferee. However, to judge the whole police service as one is not solving any issuer either. Pretty much like saying all doctors are incompetent etc. But I know you knew that, and most certainly didn’t mean it either.
Isn’t middle age a sod ? All we wanted was a bit of peace and quiet but it’s seems as long as we strive for equality some younger bastard comes along and says the same things we probably both did thirty years ago. 😉 All that and Steve Cooper too 😂 ðŸ‘
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| Any excuse on 22:08 - Mar 16 with 876 views | controversial_jack |
| Any excuse on 21:50 - Mar 16 by Flashberryjack |
I know a few in the police force, one has already quit, and the rest can't wait to get out, form filling and more form filling, nicking criminals and Political correctness make bad bed fellows. |
It's the same in all jobs now.if the Police officers think it's tough wait until they get into the private sector. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 22:09]
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| Any excuse on 22:16 - Mar 16 with 874 views | Luther27 |
| Any excuse on 15:41 - Mar 16 by londonlisa2001 |
The debate in the Commons today attempting to remove the right of protest with the new powers they are introducing. That’s why they are at Westminster.
This is to do with that - the link with the Sarah Everard situation is only regarding the police refusing to allow peaceful protest at Clapham which is an example of the problem if the new legislation is passed.
Many on here seem very confused... |
I was under the impression that mass gatherings were illegal under the current Covid rules. Didn’t the courts refuse to sanction the gathering/vigil/protest?
One other issue I have. I have not heard anything from the grieving family. I think...in my personal opinion...that the political highjacking of this poor young woman’s death is nothing short of obscene. I hope the people involved feel very proud of themselves. | |
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| Any excuse on 22:25 - Mar 16 with 865 views | onehunglow |
| Any excuse on 22:16 - Mar 16 by Luther27 |
I was under the impression that mass gatherings were illegal under the current Covid rules. Didn’t the courts refuse to sanction the gathering/vigil/protest?
One other issue I have. I have not heard anything from the grieving family. I think...in my personal opinion...that the political highjacking of this poor young woman’s death is nothing short of obscene. I hope the people involved feel very proud of themselves. |
It was illegal gathering | |
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| Any excuse on 23:31 - Mar 16 with 845 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Any excuse on 18:31 - Mar 16 by Flashberryjack |
I am somewhat confused, because I thought it was a silent/candlelit vigil for Sarah Everard, but you're now saying it was a peaceful protest (although the footage I saw was anything but peaceful). |
I should have used the word vigil.
The future Queen turned up, with several Met police in tow, that’s how uncontroversial it was until the stormtroopers moved in. | | | |
| Any excuse on 23:36 - Mar 16 with 843 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Any excuse on 22:16 - Mar 16 by Luther27 |
I was under the impression that mass gatherings were illegal under the current Covid rules. Didn’t the courts refuse to sanction the gathering/vigil/protest?
One other issue I have. I have not heard anything from the grieving family. I think...in my personal opinion...that the political highjacking of this poor young woman’s death is nothing short of obscene. I hope the people involved feel very proud of themselves. |
No. The courts said there was absolutely no reason why the Met couldn’t meet with the organisers to arrange something suitable. They refused.
The only member of the family who has spoken has said she supported the vigil. | | | |
| Any excuse on 23:52 - Mar 16 with 842 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Any excuse on 22:25 - Mar 16 by onehunglow |
It was illegal gathering |
Or a “superspreader” event... depending on what political view you have. |  |
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| Any excuse on 08:11 - Mar 17 with 794 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Any excuse on 23:36 - Mar 16 by londonlisa2001 |
No. The courts said there was absolutely no reason why the Met couldn’t meet with the organisers to arrange something suitable. They refused.
The only member of the family who has spoken has said she supported the vigil. |
100 per cent correct. |  |
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| Any excuse on 08:14 - Mar 17 with 792 views | Kilkennyjack |
Johnson does not like criticism does he.
Welsh Indy is the only choice now to avoid this curb to liberties.
Even Theresa May opposes it ffs. | |
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| Any excuse on 08:15 - Mar 17 with 793 views | Dr_Winston |
I would imagine that there is a certain level of dark humour that is almost necessary if you're going to work in the emergency services, especially somewhere like London (or, let's be honest, any kind of job where dealing with the general public God Bless Them is a major component).
If we were going to check the private social media of NHS staff, I'm sure we'd find stuff that would only result in clapping of your hands around their throat type. Bad taste perhaps, but a sacking offence? |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Any excuse on 09:03 - Mar 17 with 775 views | onehunglow |
| Any excuse on 22:16 - Mar 16 by Luther27 |
I was under the impression that mass gatherings were illegal under the current Covid rules. Didn’t the courts refuse to sanction the gathering/vigil/protest?
One other issue I have. I have not heard anything from the grieving family. I think...in my personal opinion...that the political highjacking of this poor young woman’s death is nothing short of obscene. I hope the people involved feel very proud of themselves. |
THIS is a post that people should read and re read. | |
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| Any excuse on 10:40 - Mar 17 with 768 views | controversial_jack |
It was an illegal mass gathering and a superspreader event, but this new police bill is something else and very sinister. Let's hope the police don't enforce it. | | | |
| Any excuse on 10:59 - Mar 17 with 767 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Any excuse on 08:15 - Mar 17 by Dr_Winston |
I would imagine that there is a certain level of dark humour that is almost necessary if you're going to work in the emergency services, especially somewhere like London (or, let's be honest, any kind of job where dealing with the general public God Bless Them is a major component).
If we were going to check the private social media of NHS staff, I'm sure we'd find stuff that would only result in clapping of your hands around their throat type. Bad taste perhaps, but a sacking offence? |
If reports of what was sent on WhatsApp to other officers is true, sacking instantly in this particular situation.
I don’t disagree with the general point, but that’s as sick as it comes. | | | |
| Any excuse on 15:04 - Mar 17 with 727 views | Flashberryjack |
| Any excuse on 23:31 - Mar 16 by londonlisa2001 |
I should have used the word vigil.
The future Queen turned up, with several Met police in tow, that’s how uncontroversial it was until the stormtroopers moved in. |
Did Kate bring a bunch of flowers or a megaphone ? | |
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| Any excuse on 15:11 - Mar 17 with 723 views | controversial_jack |
| Any excuse on 08:15 - Mar 17 by Dr_Winston |
I would imagine that there is a certain level of dark humour that is almost necessary if you're going to work in the emergency services, especially somewhere like London (or, let's be honest, any kind of job where dealing with the general public God Bless Them is a major component).
If we were going to check the private social media of NHS staff, I'm sure we'd find stuff that would only result in clapping of your hands around their throat type. Bad taste perhaps, but a sacking offence? |
Emergency workers, the police, military, even undertakers have that dark humour, it's how they cope | | | |
| Any excuse on 07:25 - Mar 18 with 664 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Any excuse on 15:04 - Mar 17 by Flashberryjack |
Did Kate bring a bunch of flowers or a megaphone ? |
She currently has the right to protest, so what if she did.
The suffragette marches brought change
The Jarrow march brought change
The anti-apartheid marches brought change
In the US, the civil rights marches brought change
Dont trust the government of the day to tell you whats right and whats wrong.
The right to protest has benefited us all. | |
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| Any excuse on 10:20 - Mar 18 with 641 views | onehunglow |
| Any excuse on 15:04 - Mar 17 by Flashberryjack |
Did Kate bring a bunch of flowers or a megaphone ? |
Just Love | |
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| Any excuse on 20:43 - Mar 18 with 599 views | Flashberryjack |
| Any excuse on 07:25 - Mar 18 by Kilkennyjack |
She currently has the right to protest, so what if she did.
The suffragette marches brought change
The Jarrow march brought change
The anti-apartheid marches brought change
In the US, the civil rights marches brought change
Dont trust the government of the day to tell you whats right and whats wrong.
The right to protest has benefited us all. |
It was a silent vigil for a poor young lady, who we can only imagine what horrors she suffered before she died, not a f*cking opportunity to protest, what sort of opportunistic little sh*t brings a megaphone to such a solemn occasion.
I always refrain for name calling, but f*cking hell you test my resilience, you really do. | |
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