| tomorrow can't come quick enough 14:17 - Oct 16 with 2310517 views | batman |
Not for us, but for Bury.
i was credit checking a potential customer and decided to nosey onto
BFC's file and was (or maybe not) supprised to see a new CCJ for circa £22k lodged
only Wednesday this week.
looks like they are in need of a bumper crowd tomorrow to settle some bills |  | | |  |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 08:09 - Aug 20 with 4688 views | Cedar_Room |
that's a poor article - laying all the blame at the feet of Steve Dale when he quite clearly inherited this mess. If it wasn't for him bury would have gone under last season and would never have been promoted. Insisting Dale should sell up - sell to who?? Who has £4 million lying around to plough into a club that hasn't even got any players? The idea that this is all about Dale's obstinance is one of the weirder aspects of this saga - I don't particularly rate the guy but realistically what else was he supposed to have done?? |  | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 09:41 - Aug 20 with 4453 views | mikehunt |
WIND THE BUGGERS UP!
And, finally, make an example to all other cheats that the buck stops here. The EFL has done its utmost to give bury time to sort things out: to the detriment of the integrity of this playing season (I lump Bolton in with that shambles too).
Ok bury F(*cking) C(heats) will cease to exist but, if enough people want it, another club will rise. Not particularly easy I admit but what a journey that could be - look at what Wimbledon managed to do. This has the potential to be a bigger and better fan experience.
So doesn't have to be the end of the world.
But the rest of us who have followed this sorry saga need some closure too, so we can clean up the mess and, hopefully, ensure nothing like this can occur again, Or, if it does, not be so toothless at sorting it out.
GET ON WITH IT! |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 09:58 - Aug 20 with 4372 views | ColDale |
For me the only solution this now would be (if I was one of those) barring Bill Gates coming in late on Thursday and all things sorted by Friday
* FB approach the EFL and accept the expulsion from the EFL, maintaining the narrative that they are merely the victims of Steve Dale's involvement.
* Claiming mitigating circumstances, negotiate with the EFL / National League at what level a reformed club could enter. Sticking with the "its all Steve Dale's fault" line, I reckon the powers that be could be talked in to allowing entry into the 2020-21 National League, or at the very worst National League North. Forget what has happened with other clubs, this can be arranged as no one wants to come out of this as looking the bad guys.
* This dependent on a plan in place for the reformed club, including a ground to play at, by the end of February 2020 and realistic spending projections for the next 5 years. Failure to do that would see them starting several divisons below.
Having the opportunity within five years to get back into the EFL must be a better option to Bury supporters than either being sent into the footballing abyss or limping their way from pillar to post and ending up there anyway. |  | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 10:19 - Aug 20 with 4289 views | scarrow |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 09:41 - Aug 20 by mikehunt |
WIND THE BUGGERS UP!
And, finally, make an example to all other cheats that the buck stops here. The EFL has done its utmost to give bury time to sort things out: to the detriment of the integrity of this playing season (I lump Bolton in with that shambles too).
Ok bury F(*cking) C(heats) will cease to exist but, if enough people want it, another club will rise. Not particularly easy I admit but what a journey that could be - look at what Wimbledon managed to do. This has the potential to be a bigger and better fan experience.
So doesn't have to be the end of the world.
But the rest of us who have followed this sorry saga need some closure too, so we can clean up the mess and, hopefully, ensure nothing like this can occur again, Or, if it does, not be so toothless at sorting it out.
GET ON WITH IT! |
Hereford, reformed now in National League North
Maidstone reformed now in National League South
Kings Lynn reformed now in National League North
It might take a few years buy they’d eventually get back |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 10:19 - Aug 20 with 4289 views | ColDale |
Just had a trawl back and found this (which predates this thread)
Bury, some mortgage questions.... by RAFCBLUE 24 Jun 2013 18:10Interestingly this has surfaced today:
http://portvaleonline.com/BuryFC/BuryFC_Mortgage_Debenture.pdf
It's a mortgage document for Gigg Lane. Raised on Wednesday 29th May, as the paperwork was concluded on the bury takeover (http://www.buryfc.co.uk/news/article/statement-takeover-completed-834927.aspx)
Got to say, they are fast workers!
Funny how:
1) A club that has no debts now has a mortgage
2) A board that have yet to sign a single new player have sanctioned a charge over their ground.
3) This document surfaces on the day that the new chairman says "judge me in three years"
I guess they can't say that they are mortgage free anymore!
Questions being asked about the running of Bury FC at just over three weeks into the SD1 regime. In fairness, this was pre-empted by lots of questions from Port Vale from the involvement of Glenn Thomas so the warnings were there from day one and as Shakermaker replies, people from that side of Fairfield just didn't want to know.
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 10:45 - Aug 20 with 4193 views | flyerdale |
There's a thread on their message board that is moaning about other fans views about Bury and its situation. Singling out Rochdale and Tranmere fans in particular as the baddies, they are one rung off from blaming us for the shitstorm they find themselves in. But if only more of them had voiced their displeasure earlier instead of celebrating promotions built on other people's money they might have got more simpathy off opposition supporters |  | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 10:57 - Aug 20 with 4135 views | D_BFC |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 07:50 - Aug 20 by 1907 |
That entire paragraph just riled me:
“It’s not only the congregation at risk. The local economy, employment, self-esteem and international recognition will all suffer. The heart sinks at the prospect of the curtailing of all the fine work done by Bury Community Trust, the 2012 EFL northwest community club of the year, who improve the lives of 2,500 people annually, operating in 45 schools, enhancing numeracy and literacy skills, helping inmates at Forest Bank Prison with physical and mental health issues, preparing them for their release, dealing with every issue from “money management” to “anger management”. And what becomes of the over-70s walking football team, the Bury Relics?”
One could argue that the club bust would boost the economy, given they never pay their debts!
What an absolute tool Winter is to turn up at the twelfth hour, holier than thou, without any such mention of the reasons they’re in this mess. |
I haven't read the article as I don't have a Times sub, but in fairness the Trust does do a lot of good work in the Community and that does leave a gap that probably won't be filled by local services.
The paragraph doesn't fit well when we know the Football Club has a local charity / youth club on it's CVA document but clearly the Community Trust has nothing to do with the running of the club. I think you can sympathise with people who lose this community help whilst still not sympathising with the people involved at the club that have created this mess. | | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 11:05 - Aug 20 with 4087 views | D_BFC |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 08:09 - Aug 20 by Cedar_Room |
that's a poor article - laying all the blame at the feet of Steve Dale when he quite clearly inherited this mess. If it wasn't for him bury would have gone under last season and would never have been promoted. Insisting Dale should sell up - sell to who?? Who has £4 million lying around to plough into a club that hasn't even got any players? The idea that this is all about Dale's obstinance is one of the weirder aspects of this saga - I don't particularly rate the guy but realistically what else was he supposed to have done?? |
He could've not bought it in the first place? Correct, we would've gone under sooner but I don't believe for a second that Dale was duped by Day and he "inherited" it. He knew full well what he was getting into. I still lay the blame pretty much fully at Day - without Day, we would never have Dale picking at the carcass. But as it stands, Dale is at the helm so right now it is all about him.
I can't see there being anyone willing to put £4million in, unless a Bury fan wins the Euromillions. Why would anyone with sense do it? Buying a football club isn't a sound investment at the best of times, but this one would be a dreadful investment.
The EFL have to end it on Friday imo. To extend the deadline loses too much credibility. | | | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 11:07 - Aug 20 with 4082 views | Tyskie |
How goes, Tranmere fan in peace here.
Just wanted to say how welcomed it is to see a sensible fan base & a well run club sticking up for what's ethically right for the game.
I don't even know where to start with Bury but the thing that really sticks with me is the total local of 99% of their fans to take any accountability or at least their club to take any accountability for the mess they are in. It's always some one else fault and when I innocently asked the question on their page the other week it compounded my thinking.
For me as a Tranmere fan, i've watched our team drop down to the conference and our current described it as altitude training, a lot of fat was cut and a lot of hard hours were put in to try and put the club on the right footing. Despite back to back promotions each year we have had to watch our best strikers leave the club on a free and then just up the road you have a club like Bury taking the p*ss for years.
Anyway their day of reckoning is now here and whilst I genuinely hope that next season a Bury team is playing in the football pyramid I really believe that it should be as low down the pyramid as a new club entering the league should start. It's the only way teams in league 2 & 1 will get the message.
Anyway keep up the good fight of disproving the victim narrative they like to peddle constantly. There seems to be two camps online in regards to "other fans" which strictly speaking is of Wealth/Well Support/Prem teams feeling a bit sorry but not actually caring and then teams like ours Rochdale, Shrews, Carlilse etc who break their necks to be sustainable and are sick of others cheating the system.
Yes the EFL has to have some accountability but the vast majority is at the feet of Bury FC and everyone associated with them. | | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 11:53 - Aug 20 with 3875 views | KenBoon |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 10:57 - Aug 20 by D_BFC |
I haven't read the article as I don't have a Times sub, but in fairness the Trust does do a lot of good work in the Community and that does leave a gap that probably won't be filled by local services.
The paragraph doesn't fit well when we know the Football Club has a local charity / youth club on it's CVA document but clearly the Community Trust has nothing to do with the running of the club. I think you can sympathise with people who lose this community help whilst still not sympathising with the people involved at the club that have created this mess. |
Why can't that community trust transfer to a Bury FC phoenix club? The people are still there so you have the fanbase, you can build that new club and use the community trust to help. It'd just be another chapter of professional association football in the Bury area. |  | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 12:24 - Aug 20 with 3730 views | AussieDale |
I understand that the EFL is withholding around a half a million pound payment due to Bury for this season. Given that all clubs will lose match day income from the cancellation of matches is it possible that this money will be given to these clubs as compensation for lost income. | | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 12:35 - Aug 20 with 3670 views | D_Alien |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 12:24 - Aug 20 by AussieDale |
I understand that the EFL is withholding around a half a million pound payment due to Bury for this season. Given that all clubs will lose match day income from the cancellation of matches is it possible that this money will be given to these clubs as compensation for lost income. |
That's something i suggested earlier in the thread. Others seemed to think otherwise (citing creditors), but the EFL would be limited in what uses they can put the monies towards - that particular tranche is intended for the support of L1 clubs |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:08 - Aug 20 with 3420 views | Salegraham |
News, Two famous old cup winners are to go ahead with a new competition.The Who can P.O. the EFL Cup.
Current score Bwfc 1 v bURY NFC 1 | | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:14 - Aug 20 with 3387 views | DaleFan7 |
It seems they've been allocated a referee for their game on Saturday, is it an EFL cock up or an indication that the game will go ahead.
If so, do they have enough players or will they end up like Bolton and crying off in a couple of weeks because they've been battered? | | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:17 - Aug 20 with 3375 views | TVOS1907 |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:14 - Aug 20 by DaleFan7 |
It seems they've been allocated a referee for their game on Saturday, is it an EFL cock up or an indication that the game will go ahead.
If so, do they have enough players or will they end up like Bolton and crying off in a couple of weeks because they've been battered? |
No, they've been allocated one for every game so far, but as soon as the matches were suspended, those appointments were removed. |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:22 - Aug 20 with 3361 views | DaleFan7 |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:17 - Aug 20 by TVOS1907 |
No, they've been allocated one for every game so far, but as soon as the matches were suspended, those appointments were removed. |
Fair enough, seemed on Twitter that they hadn't been allocated them before so they're all clinging to the hope that it means they're playing (odd that this is the first time in 5/6 games that they are).
I suppose we should find out soon, knowing the EFL though, probably not. | | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:23 - Aug 20 with 3350 views | heywooddale |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:17 - Aug 20 by TVOS1907 |
No, they've been allocated one for every game so far, but as soon as the matches were suspended, those appointments were removed. |
I think he missed out on the opportunity for the rhyme "Cheated then Yeeted" (It's a term the youth use, I don't really know)
But Jesus the replies are so of the most deluded things i've read in a while.
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:38 - Aug 20 with 3273 views | TVOS1907 |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:22 - Aug 20 by DaleFan7 |
Fair enough, seemed on Twitter that they hadn't been allocated them before so they're all clinging to the hope that it means they're playing (odd that this is the first time in 5/6 games that they are).
I suppose we should find out soon, knowing the EFL though, probably not. |
The appointments for a Saturday are made on a Monday afternoon, but they aren't often on the EFL website until Tuesday morning. Bury's games have been suspended in that interim period, hence why the officials haven't shown. | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:48 - Aug 20 with 3226 views | dingdangblue |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:38 - Aug 20 by TVOS1907 |
The appointments for a Saturday are made on a Monday afternoon, but they aren't often on the EFL website until Tuesday morning. Bury's games have been suspended in that interim period, hence why the officials haven't shown. |
I suppose they'll be clinging to the hope that previous games had been called off already by now - does the fact no decision has been made yet mean that Dale is close to leaving the club?
Or on the other hand they may not feel they need to postpone this game so early with Friday's ultimate deadline. If they called the game off today that would indicate that bury are doomed. [Post edited 20 Aug 2019 15:08]
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 15:24 - Aug 20 with 3074 views | SuddenLad |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:48 - Aug 20 by dingdangblue |
I suppose they'll be clinging to the hope that previous games had been called off already by now - does the fact no decision has been made yet mean that Dale is close to leaving the club?
Or on the other hand they may not feel they need to postpone this game so early with Friday's ultimate deadline. If they called the game off today that would indicate that bury are doomed. [Post edited 20 Aug 2019 15:08]
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It's only Tuesday. I think other games have been cancelled after a Wednesday announcement, but given that their ultimate deadline day is Friday, it might all be academic. As Bury are the team that would have to travel, I suppose there is less of a logistical problem for the opposition or their supporters. |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 15:28 - Aug 20 with 3056 views | DaleFan7 |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:48 - Aug 20 by dingdangblue |
I suppose they'll be clinging to the hope that previous games had been called off already by now - does the fact no decision has been made yet mean that Dale is close to leaving the club?
Or on the other hand they may not feel they need to postpone this game so early with Friday's ultimate deadline. If they called the game off today that would indicate that bury are doomed. [Post edited 20 Aug 2019 15:08]
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The EFL have said that a decision was being made today regarding the Tranmere game but obviously haven't made that decision or made it public yet. | | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 15:33 - Aug 20 with 3029 views | Scunnydale |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 15:28 - Aug 20 by DaleFan7 |
The EFL have said that a decision was being made today regarding the Tranmere game but obviously haven't made that decision or made it public yet. |
I'm sure Tranmere would be gutted if their game got cancelled and signified the end for Bury... |  | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 15:38 - Aug 20 with 2998 views | TVOS1907 |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 15:24 - Aug 20 by SuddenLad |
It's only Tuesday. I think other games have been cancelled after a Wednesday announcement, but given that their ultimate deadline day is Friday, it might all be academic. As Bury are the team that would have to travel, I suppose there is less of a logistical problem for the opposition or their supporters. |
MK Dons (3rd August) was cancelled on the preceding Monday 29th July.
Accrington (10th August) was cancelled over a week before (Friday 2nd August).
Sheff Wed (13th August) was cancelled on Thursday 8th August.
Gillingham (17th August) was cancelled last Tuesday.
Rotherham (tonight) was cancelled last Thursday.
So tonight's game is just within the timeframe of the others (4 days before), so there should be decision today.
The EFL also have to be fair on Tranmere as they will have to cancel or make plans depending on the outcome.
If I knew Tranmere's programme chap well enough, I'd drop him a line, but someone new has just taken over. | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 15:41 - Aug 20 with 2976 views | TVOS1907 |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 15:33 - Aug 20 by Scunnydale |
I'm sure Tranmere would be gutted if their game got cancelled and signified the end for Bury... |
Let's say the game is played and Tranmere take on a bunch of kids/no-hopers/trialists/Gareth Seddon, they will arguably have been gifted six points on consecutive Saturdays... | |
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