| tomorrow can't come quick enough 14:17 - Oct 16 with 2296407 views | batman |
Not for us, but for Bury.
i was credit checking a potential customer and decided to nosey onto
BFC's file and was (or maybe not) supprised to see a new CCJ for circa £22k lodged
only Wednesday this week.
looks like they are in need of a bumper crowd tomorrow to settle some bills |  | | |  |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 19:55 - May 26 with 5074 views | Molly |
Post of the year RAFCBLUE. Nail/head etc. If forum users from west of Heap Bridge don't understand what has been said in many ways over 101 pages after reading that-------then they never will. It sums up their current position and history perfectly. | | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough (n/t) on 20:06 - May 26 with 5033 views | kel |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 20:31 - May 26 with 4955 views | RAFCBLUE |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 19:55 - May 26 by Molly |
Post of the year RAFCBLUE. Nail/head etc. If forum users from west of Heap Bridge don't understand what has been said in many ways over 101 pages after reading that-------then they never will. It sums up their current position and history perfectly. |
I'm throughly puzzled by their victim mentality when we've lived through the last 25 years of this.
Namely what ever happens at bury is happening TO them and is therefore so unfair.
I'd love just one of them to admit that it is happening because of accumulated and significant financial mismanagement over 25 years caused by spending more than comes in and to hell with the consequences.
There's a great example on Beardy currently that's called:
"Who nicked our screen":
https://www.gigglane.com/index.php?/topic/34530-who-nicked-our-screen/
Post 5 indicates it was provided free by a sponsor but has been removed in case the repo man called.
Post 9 clarifies the understanding that it hasn't been paid for for 4 months.
That's the level of financial education you are dealing with here across a range of people.
bury don't play wages for players of staff and they are all planning on marching on the new Chairman's house.
When the screen goes its a suprise. But it was a free screen. [Post edited 26 May 2019 20:45]
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 20:50 - May 26 with 4899 views | RAFCBLUE |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 19:46 - May 26 by kel |
Logged in and ready to mark it down 
You’ll be getting a mention on the mong board for this even though they don’t give a toss about Rochdale. |
Doubt it.
They've got their own infighting problems between the two fans groups scrambling for control of the club to be bothered about a little club like us.
https://www.gigglane.com/index.php?/topic/34531-a-request-to-my-friends/ | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 20:51 - May 26 with 4893 views | Clivert |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 19:30 - May 26 by RAFCBLUE |
Memories and recollections of history are funny things, R11.
If you look at the last 25 years of bury fc financial misappropriation then you'll see a long line of us on this side of the boundary that have pointed out, time and time again of the financial side of your club being the cause of your own downfall.
That's over the period 1994 to 2019 and not just the latest period in your illustrious history.
It started with Hughie Eaves in the late 90's who misappropriated £20m from the City - a vast proportion of which was pumped into the bury team - that won promotion to the Championship in 1997. It was such a big deal that Eaves made the national papers and bolted to the Far East:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/investor-sorry-for-pounds-20m-losses-1092690.
When bury won tier 3 in 1997, with a team of players you could not afford, you lot all lapped it up.
When you were relegated back to Tier 3 in 1999 and Tier 4 in 2002, it was no one at fault but Uncle Hughie.
Fast forward through the subsequent board leadership post the Hugh Eaves fraud and its Terry Robinson, Ian Mills and Ian Harrop, Brian Fenton and along came Stewart Day in 2013.
Under Terry Robinson, bury faced court proceedings on 4 March 2002 by a firm owed £1.35m, secured on the club's historic Gigg Lane ground, which could be repossessed and sold to developers. The David Conn article at the time is entitled "Bury's begging bowl may not avert closure". That bowl had been out for over four years by that point and is still out 17 years later!
That £1.35m saw bury, placed into administration on 1 March 2002 by their two directors, John Smith and Fred Mason, when they had debts of around £2.6m, including a £1.35m mortgage secured on Gigg Lane. The High Court allowed the administrator two weeks, to raise £370,000, Bury's running costs — mostly players' wages — for the season, or the club would have been wound up in 2002.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/david-conn-burys-b
Under Brian Fenton, bury needed £1m in 2013 to survive and he didn't want administration. He told the bury times about it here: https://www.burytimes.co.uk/news/10349976.administration-is-not-an-option-for-bu
Worth noting that this is the actual point that you were sold by Brian Fenton bury was potless and that in the late Neville Neville's brokering of a deal you actually kept a club alive.
And you lot all lapped it up.
Had Stewart Day come in and run bury like your current Chairman is now - paying out only money that you had to meet financial commitments - you'd have had administration and many of the things Brian Fenton had predicted in his bury times interview of 2013.
The MEN article still reminds us that without Day you would have had administration and a points deduction 6 years ago.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/shakers-saf
And you lot all lapped it up.
Except Stewart Day is not only a saviour but special humanitarian promising all things positive for bury fc.
He comes in and gets you a ex-Premier League training ground to train at, promise a new ground, a pop concert starring Coolio and the Happy Mondays and promises football in the Championship in the most ludicrous five year plan we have seen.
And you lot all lapped it up.
Day pays for this with eye watering loans, money that he didn't have. Just like the circumstances that nearly saw you wound-up in 2002.
And you lot all lapped it up.
Every single one of you who ran on the field promoted on the final day at Tranmere in 2015 did so celebrating a 33 year old property developer bankrolling a club having made his money apparently in one of the worst property markets before taking over your club.
And you all lapped it up.
So forgive us all for standing back and pointing out what is obvious. The similarities of money from nowhere between Hugh Eaves and Stewart Day, were and are somewhat obvious.
It was the obviousness of it that gave birth to this monster thread in 2015 whilst you all enjoyed the ride.
Steven Dale isn't prepared to continue to borrow money to keep the ship afloat with its current cost base. Nor is he going to write an open cheque for all those owed money by previous regimes.
You dodged being wound-up in 2002, you should have gone into administration in 2013 but chose not to and for the five years after that have spend an immense amount over and above what you can afford.
I've some sympathy for Steve Dale here. Why should he pay for your historic mess?
He could and probably should do the honorable thing and stick you into administration immediately and wipe off all the debts; but that will see you relegated from League 1 in 2020 and I'd wager League 2 in 2021.
He's running you properly. Like we've and many other lower division clubs have had to exist for over 100 years.
We were the most underachieving team in football for 40+ years apparently, but we've always paid our bills.
It HAS to come to an end for bury soon. The pot is empty and it's not good getting those buckets out now. We live in a contactless age.
Equally its nothing personal from Steve Dale, just business.
He's after a return on his £1 and had he not got involved in December 2018 then bury would have been in to administration with Day's other businesses and you wouldn't have this season's tainted 2019 promotion.
If you think about it from our side, most of us waited 40+ years for that promotion vs Northampton. On our own money and endeavour.
bury have had five promotions in 25 years (1996, 1997, 2011, 2015 and 2019) on the back of a highly financially irregular environment. The extent of the Day involvement and 2015 and 2019 with money you didn't have is becoming clearer.
All these are tainted successes so meaningless in our eyes.
bury will reform and have a go in the lower tiers. Stockport did and look at them. [Post edited 26 May 2019 19:33]
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The greatest post in the history of this here message board! |  | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:16 - May 26 with 4832 views | D_Alien |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 20:51 - May 26 by Clivert |
The greatest post in the history of this here message board! |
It's a very good post, but would rather that accolade (if such a thing had any validity) was reserved for one which focused on our own club
A great thread doesn't need further embellishment |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:20 - May 26 with 4817 views | judd |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:16 - May 26 by D_Alien |
It's a very good post, but would rather that accolade (if such a thing had any validity) was reserved for one which focused on our own club
A great thread doesn't need further embellishment |
Similar thoughts here. The superb effort by RAFCBLUE would have carried absolute authority in analysing comparative Rochdale fiscal management over the same period.
And the noble efforts of supporters in ensuring those in authority are monitored and held to account. |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:29 - May 26 with 4776 views | Thacks_Rabbits |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:20 - May 26 by judd |
Similar thoughts here. The superb effort by RAFCBLUE would have carried absolute authority in analysing comparative Rochdale fiscal management over the same period.
And the noble efforts of supporters in ensuring those in authority are monitored and held to account. |
Totally agree. Fantastic well written post that must have took ages. Well done, not that lower Gigg will listen. |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:30 - May 26 with 4772 views | Clivert |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:16 - May 26 by D_Alien |
It's a very good post, but would rather that accolade (if such a thing had any validity) was reserved for one which focused on our own club
A great thread doesn't need further embellishment |
It highlights everything that is wrong with how to run a football club.
I was never one for patting oneself on the back, we carry on as Rochdale because we pay our way and we don’t know any other way. | | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:30 - May 26 with 4769 views | Bass1 |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 19:30 - May 26 by RAFCBLUE |
Memories and recollections of history are funny things, R11.
If you look at the last 25 years of bury fc financial misappropriation then you'll see a long line of us on this side of the boundary that have pointed out, time and time again of the financial side of your club being the cause of your own downfall.
That's over the period 1994 to 2019 and not just the latest period in your illustrious history.
It started with Hughie Eaves in the late 90's who misappropriated £20m from the City - a vast proportion of which was pumped into the bury team - that won promotion to the Championship in 1997. It was such a big deal that Eaves made the national papers and bolted to the Far East:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/investor-sorry-for-pounds-20m-losses-1092690.
When bury won tier 3 in 1997, with a team of players you could not afford, you lot all lapped it up.
When you were relegated back to Tier 3 in 1999 and Tier 4 in 2002, it was no one at fault but Uncle Hughie.
Fast forward through the subsequent board leadership post the Hugh Eaves fraud and its Terry Robinson, Ian Mills and Ian Harrop, Brian Fenton and along came Stewart Day in 2013.
Under Terry Robinson, bury faced court proceedings on 4 March 2002 by a firm owed £1.35m, secured on the club's historic Gigg Lane ground, which could be repossessed and sold to developers. The David Conn article at the time is entitled "Bury's begging bowl may not avert closure". That bowl had been out for over four years by that point and is still out 17 years later!
That £1.35m saw bury, placed into administration on 1 March 2002 by their two directors, John Smith and Fred Mason, when they had debts of around £2.6m, including a £1.35m mortgage secured on Gigg Lane. The High Court allowed the administrator two weeks, to raise £370,000, Bury's running costs — mostly players' wages — for the season, or the club would have been wound up in 2002.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/david-conn-burys-b
Under Brian Fenton, bury needed £1m in 2013 to survive and he didn't want administration. He told the bury times about it here: https://www.burytimes.co.uk/news/10349976.administration-is-not-an-option-for-bu
Worth noting that this is the actual point that you were sold by Brian Fenton bury was potless and that in the late Neville Neville's brokering of a deal you actually kept a club alive.
And you lot all lapped it up.
Had Stewart Day come in and run bury like your current Chairman is now - paying out only money that you had to meet financial commitments - you'd have had administration and many of the things Brian Fenton had predicted in his bury times interview of 2013.
The MEN article still reminds us that without Day you would have had administration and a points deduction 6 years ago.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/shakers-saf
And you lot all lapped it up.
Except Stewart Day is not only a saviour but special humanitarian promising all things positive for bury fc.
He comes in and gets you a ex-Premier League training ground to train at, promise a new ground, a pop concert starring Coolio and the Happy Mondays and promises football in the Championship in the most ludicrous five year plan we have seen.
And you lot all lapped it up.
Day pays for this with eye watering loans, money that he didn't have. Just like the circumstances that nearly saw you wound-up in 2002.
And you lot all lapped it up.
Every single one of you who ran on the field promoted on the final day at Tranmere in 2015 did so celebrating a 33 year old property developer bankrolling a club having made his money apparently in one of the worst property markets before taking over your club.
And you all lapped it up.
So forgive us all for standing back and pointing out what is obvious. The similarities of money from nowhere between Hugh Eaves and Stewart Day, were and are somewhat obvious.
It was the obviousness of it that gave birth to this monster thread in 2015 whilst you all enjoyed the ride.
Steven Dale isn't prepared to continue to borrow money to keep the ship afloat with its current cost base. Nor is he going to write an open cheque for all those owed money by previous regimes.
You dodged being wound-up in 2002, you should have gone into administration in 2013 but chose not to and for the five years after that have spend an immense amount over and above what you can afford.
I've some sympathy for Steve Dale here. Why should he pay for your historic mess?
He could and probably should do the honorable thing and stick you into administration immediately and wipe off all the debts; but that will see you relegated from League 1 in 2020 and I'd wager League 2 in 2021.
He's running you properly. Like we've and many other lower division clubs have had to exist for over 100 years.
We were the most underachieving team in football for 40+ years apparently, but we've always paid our bills.
It HAS to come to an end for bury soon. The pot is empty and it's not good getting those buckets out now. We live in a contactless age.
Equally its nothing personal from Steve Dale, just business.
He's after a return on his £1 and had he not got involved in December 2018 then bury would have been in to administration with Day's other businesses and you wouldn't have this season's tainted 2019 promotion.
If you think about it from our side, most of us waited 40+ years for that promotion vs Northampton. On our own money and endeavour.
bury have had five promotions in 25 years (1996, 1997, 2011, 2015 and 2019) on the back of a highly financially irregular environment. The extent of the Day involvement and 2015 and 2019 with money you didn't have is becoming clearer.
All these are tainted successes so meaningless in our eyes.
bury will reform and have a go in the lower tiers. Stockport did and look at them. [Post edited 26 May 2019 19:33]
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:36 - May 26 with 4734 views | DaleiLama |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:20 - May 26 by judd |
Similar thoughts here. The superb effort by RAFCBLUE would have carried absolute authority in analysing comparative Rochdale fiscal management over the same period.
And the noble efforts of supporters in ensuring those in authority are monitored and held to account. |
It's also notable how many times we've broken up good squads to sell players and pay the bills, never mind mortgaging the future to buy success. You reap what you sow. |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:45 - May 26 with 4701 views | D_Alien |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:30 - May 26 by Clivert |
It highlights everything that is wrong with how to run a football club.
I was never one for patting oneself on the back, we carry on as Rochdale because we pay our way and we don’t know any other way. |
Nowt to do with patting oneself on the back
A truly great post could, for instance, involve a scathing examination of something wrong at Dale, and there's been many of those over the years more deserving of praise. As I said, it's a very good post. Further hyperbole unnecessary
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 22:01 - May 26 with 4655 views | Clivert |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:45 - May 26 by D_Alien |
Nowt to do with patting oneself on the back
A truly great post could, for instance, involve a scathing examination of something wrong at Dale, and there's been many of those over the years more deserving of praise. As I said, it's a very good post. Further hyperbole unnecessary
[Post edited 26 May 2019 21:47]
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You’re right.
At least I’ll get a second chance at purchasing a Sunderland mug this coming season. | | | |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 00:16 - May 27 with 4499 views | dingdangblue |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 19:30 - May 26 by RAFCBLUE |
Memories and recollections of history are funny things, R11.
If you look at the last 25 years of bury fc financial misappropriation then you'll see a long line of us on this side of the boundary that have pointed out, time and time again of the financial side of your club being the cause of your own downfall.
That's over the period 1994 to 2019 and not just the latest period in your illustrious history.
It started with Hughie Eaves in the late 90's who misappropriated £20m from the City - a vast proportion of which was pumped into the bury team - that won promotion to the Championship in 1997. It was such a big deal that Eaves made the national papers and bolted to the Far East:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/investor-sorry-for-pounds-20m-losses-1092690.
When bury won tier 3 in 1997, with a team of players you could not afford, you lot all lapped it up.
When you were relegated back to Tier 3 in 1999 and Tier 4 in 2002, it was no one at fault but Uncle Hughie.
Fast forward through the subsequent board leadership post the Hugh Eaves fraud and its Terry Robinson, Ian Mills and Ian Harrop, Brian Fenton and along came Stewart Day in 2013.
Under Terry Robinson, bury faced court proceedings on 4 March 2002 by a firm owed £1.35m, secured on the club's historic Gigg Lane ground, which could be repossessed and sold to developers. The David Conn article at the time is entitled "Bury's begging bowl may not avert closure". That bowl had been out for over four years by that point and is still out 17 years later!
That £1.35m saw bury, placed into administration on 1 March 2002 by their two directors, John Smith and Fred Mason, when they had debts of around £2.6m, including a £1.35m mortgage secured on Gigg Lane. The High Court allowed the administrator two weeks, to raise £370,000, Bury's running costs — mostly players' wages — for the season, or the club would have been wound up in 2002.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/david-conn-burys-b
Under Brian Fenton, bury needed £1m in 2013 to survive and he didn't want administration. He told the bury times about it here: https://www.burytimes.co.uk/news/10349976.administration-is-not-an-option-for-bu
Worth noting that this is the actual point that you were sold by Brian Fenton bury was potless and that in the late Neville Neville's brokering of a deal you actually kept a club alive.
And you lot all lapped it up.
Had Stewart Day come in and run bury like your current Chairman is now - paying out only money that you had to meet financial commitments - you'd have had administration and many of the things Brian Fenton had predicted in his bury times interview of 2013.
The MEN article still reminds us that without Day you would have had administration and a points deduction 6 years ago.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/shakers-saf
And you lot all lapped it up.
Except Stewart Day is not only a saviour but special humanitarian promising all things positive for bury fc.
He comes in and gets you a ex-Premier League training ground to train at, promise a new ground, a pop concert starring Coolio and the Happy Mondays and promises football in the Championship in the most ludicrous five year plan we have seen.
And you lot all lapped it up.
Day pays for this with eye watering loans, money that he didn't have. Just like the circumstances that nearly saw you wound-up in 2002.
And you lot all lapped it up.
Every single one of you who ran on the field promoted on the final day at Tranmere in 2015 did so celebrating a 33 year old property developer bankrolling a club having made his money apparently in one of the worst property markets before taking over your club.
And you all lapped it up.
So forgive us all for standing back and pointing out what is obvious. The similarities of money from nowhere between Hugh Eaves and Stewart Day, were and are somewhat obvious.
It was the obviousness of it that gave birth to this monster thread in 2015 whilst you all enjoyed the ride.
Steven Dale isn't prepared to continue to borrow money to keep the ship afloat with its current cost base. Nor is he going to write an open cheque for all those owed money by previous regimes.
You dodged being wound-up in 2002, you should have gone into administration in 2013 but chose not to and for the five years after that have spend an immense amount over and above what you can afford.
I've some sympathy for Steve Dale here. Why should he pay for your historic mess?
He could and probably should do the honorable thing and stick you into administration immediately and wipe off all the debts; but that will see you relegated from League 1 in 2020 and I'd wager League 2 in 2021.
He's running you properly. Like we've and many other lower division clubs have had to exist for over 100 years.
We were the most underachieving team in football for 40+ years apparently, but we've always paid our bills.
It HAS to come to an end for bury soon. The pot is empty and it's not good getting those buckets out now. We live in a contactless age.
Equally its nothing personal from Steve Dale, just business.
He's after a return on his £1 and had he not got involved in December 2018 then bury would have been in to administration with Day's other businesses and you wouldn't have this season's tainted 2019 promotion.
If you think about it from our side, most of us waited 40+ years for that promotion vs Northampton. On our own money and endeavour.
bury have had five promotions in 25 years (1996, 1997, 2011, 2015 and 2019) on the back of a highly financially irregular environment. The extent of the Day involvement and 2015 and 2019 with money you didn't have is becoming clearer.
All these are tainted successes so meaningless in our eyes.
bury will reform and have a go in the lower tiers. Stockport did and look at them. [Post edited 26 May 2019 19:33]
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A great post but I can't agree with anything you've written about Steve Dale. I'm not quite sure of his intentions but he certainly isn't trying to run bury fc in any shape or form. Its all a bit bizarre really why someone with a supposed incurable disease would get involved in a league 2 club with massive debts. |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 11:32 - May 27 with 4280 views | RAFCBLUE |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 00:16 - May 27 by dingdangblue |
A great post but I can't agree with anything you've written about Steve Dale. I'm not quite sure of his intentions but he certainly isn't trying to run bury fc in any shape or form. Its all a bit bizarre really why someone with a supposed incurable disease would get involved in a league 2 club with massive debts. |
The jury is out on Steve Dale for me until they next turn up at court in mid-June.
He's done the right thing of buying bury time, states the club is up for sale and has incurred a significant set of legal expenses to keep the club trading.
If Dale wanted liquidation he could have just let bury slide and blamed Day. After all all he would lose is £1.
At the same time he has been very open about the bank account situation and admits that key bank account is still frozen, which it is and that frozen bank account is linked to the financial web including the mortgage on Gigg Lane - nothing to do with Dale.
He's had just 5 months in charge and having inherited what he did in December 2018 the damage was done.
I can't tell whether the allegations that the bury fans make are true or its simply on their part a tantrum reaction that he or anyone else isn't going to continue the charade of excessive spending over and above available income. They even squabble amongst themselves on that point.
bury were in a financial hole before Day was introduced to the club by Neville Neville and that hole is now inescapable because of Day.
bury fans who are going to Steve Dale's house to protest isn't going to persuade the court to unfreeze that bank account.
bury fans are all saying "Why did Steve Dale buy the club, if he didn't have working capital to fund it to the level desired?"
None of them are saying "Where did all the working capital disappear to?" or "Why is the bank account frozen?"
I'd speculate that the frozen bank account was not in the deal when Day sold to Dale!
Dale might prove be an out and out wrong 'un but then without him, bury would have disappeared into the Mederco administration a few months ago. Dale allowed them their promotion push and they did end the season and start next year as a League 1 club. Theoretically a better place for the business.
A lot will depend on the unfreezing of that bank account linked in the Mederco administration and the financing secured on Gigg Lane.
What I can't fathom in the interim is with some experienced football administrators there (Jill Neville being the most obvious), they won't create a released list.
Either they can't do it or they are being instructed not to - if the latter that can only come from the top and/or the PFA and you would have to question the intentions of doing so.
I agree it's all a bit bizarre - but then again that's been the goings on and off at bury for years! | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 11:47 - May 27 with 4250 views | RAFCBLUE |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 21:20 - May 26 by judd |
Similar thoughts here. The superb effort by RAFCBLUE would have carried absolute authority in analysing comparative Rochdale fiscal management over the same period.
And the noble efforts of supporters in ensuring those in authority are monitored and held to account. |
I could, but you realise that this would simply excite our bury fc chums even more?
If you use the available data:
31st May 1995 the net assets of Rochdale were just £279,550. Cash balance of £3,712. Club was a longstanding fourth tier side and a shared tenant of the facility it played in. We were just about to appoint Graham Barrow.
31st May 2018 the net assets of the Rochdale are £2,571,402. Cash balance of £1,117,784. Club was a third tier side and now owner/operator of the facility it played in. We has just survived on the last day vs Charlton under Keith Hill.
The movement in 23 years (to 31 May 2018) is a value increase of the club of £2,291,852 and a cash increase of £1,114,072.
Some of that value increase of the club has come from new shareholder money being but into the club of £699,071 but the rest (£1,592,781) is the accumulated net profit over 23 seasons.
Of course there are ups and downs but that's an average profit of £70k per season all achieved whilst paying the bills on time.
Selling players when we had to and fixing the roof whilst the sun was shining.
The contrast between us and them could not be more stark in almost every way and you are right, our supporter base would not have allowed what has happened there to have manifested.
Something that should be celebrated. | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 12:10 - May 27 with 4206 views | SuddenLad |
As someone with little financial knowledge, what is the significance of 'unfreezing' the bank account ?
Does it contain sufficient available and accessible funds to carry on as a viable entity, or are there more murky secrets and financial jiggery-pokery to be exposed as a result ?
Is it likely that it will reveal even more debt ?
As for any retained/released list, I assume that the players are all contracted to June 30th (or beyond) and will wait for the outcome of the hearing on June 15th. At that point, they will either be free agents, because the club is folded, or they will continue their contractual duties until the 30th, at which point, those who are being shown the door will leave.
No doubt the PFA will be advising the players what to do, in any event. Doubtless, agents will be hard at work anyway but I can't see many of that squad starting in a Bury shirt, come August. |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 12:17 - May 27 with 4182 views | ChaffRAFC |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 12:10 - May 27 by SuddenLad |
As someone with little financial knowledge, what is the significance of 'unfreezing' the bank account ?
Does it contain sufficient available and accessible funds to carry on as a viable entity, or are there more murky secrets and financial jiggery-pokery to be exposed as a result ?
Is it likely that it will reveal even more debt ?
As for any retained/released list, I assume that the players are all contracted to June 30th (or beyond) and will wait for the outcome of the hearing on June 15th. At that point, they will either be free agents, because the club is folded, or they will continue their contractual duties until the 30th, at which point, those who are being shown the door will leave.
No doubt the PFA will be advising the players what to do, in any event. Doubtless, agents will be hard at work anyway but I can't see many of that squad starting in a Bury shirt, come August. |
I actually have a suspicion, based on nothing but gut feeling, that we may see one of those out of contract Bury players wearing blue next season given the links with BBM. |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 12:44 - May 27 with 4133 views | SuddenLad |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 12:17 - May 27 by ChaffRAFC |
I actually have a suspicion, based on nothing but gut feeling, that we may see one of those out of contract Bury players wearing blue next season given the links with BBM. |
I wouldn't dismiss that idea. Maybe even more than one....... | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 13:46 - May 27 with 4044 views | TVOS1907 |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 12:17 - May 27 by ChaffRAFC |
I actually have a suspicion, based on nothing but gut feeling, that we may see one of those out of contract Bury players wearing blue next season given the links with BBM. |
Have you got inside information to next season’s home kit colours, Chaff? |  |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 13:53 - May 27 with 4030 views | DaleiLama |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 12:10 - May 27 by SuddenLad |
As someone with little financial knowledge, what is the significance of 'unfreezing' the bank account ?
Does it contain sufficient available and accessible funds to carry on as a viable entity, or are there more murky secrets and financial jiggery-pokery to be exposed as a result ?
Is it likely that it will reveal even more debt ?
As for any retained/released list, I assume that the players are all contracted to June 30th (or beyond) and will wait for the outcome of the hearing on June 15th. At that point, they will either be free agents, because the club is folded, or they will continue their contractual duties until the 30th, at which point, those who are being shown the door will leave.
No doubt the PFA will be advising the players what to do, in any event. Doubtless, agents will be hard at work anyway but I can't see many of that squad starting in a Bury shirt, come August. |
I can't say I have the time, the expertise or the inclination to study the situation in depth, but at what point is BFC in breach of contract if wages aren't being paid? That being the case, any and all are free to walk? | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:16 - May 27 with 3984 views | 100notout |
Anyone heard how the demonstrations going? | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:23 - May 27 with 3957 views | SandyDrum |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:16 - May 27 by 100notout |
Anyone heard how the demonstrations going? |
About 60 of them have turned up.
Were greeted at the iron gates by Dale's sons who were laughing at them and apparently saying 'Why would we sell?' in response to 'Sell the club' chants.
This lead to some fans smashing on the gates and offering the 2 sons out, before calling them gypos and crooks. | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:25 - May 27 with 3952 views | 100notout |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:23 - May 27 by SandyDrum |
About 60 of them have turned up.
Were greeted at the iron gates by Dale's sons who were laughing at them and apparently saying 'Why would we sell?' in response to 'Sell the club' chants.
This lead to some fans smashing on the gates and offering the 2 sons out, before calling them gypos and crooks. |
Ha ha brilliant! | |
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| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:34 - May 27 with 3922 views | DaleiLama |
| tomorrow can't come quick enough on 14:23 - May 27 by SandyDrum |
About 60 of them have turned up.
Were greeted at the iron gates by Dale's sons who were laughing at them and apparently saying 'Why would we sell?' in response to 'Sell the club' chants.
This lead to some fans smashing on the gates and offering the 2 sons out, before calling them gypos and crooks. |
May as well send them to Brussels to do the next leg of Brexit negotiations while they're on a roll? | |
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