| Brexit City : Swansea on 09:42 - Apr 1 with 1257 views | Humpty |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 22:19 - Mar 30 by Kerouac |
You are doing something that a lot of 'Remainers' do, comparing apples with oranges.
Greece is not the UK.
Oh yeah sure, the Greeks were angry at the EU (especially the Germans), they were angry at their own political establishment also and they expressed their anger at the ballot box...but they couldn't leave the EU and the Eurozone, they are a small country with a dodgy credit history, well down the food chain.
"the euro is a burning building with no exits" - William Hague
If they had left at that time with that level of debt they believed they would be in deep shiit...and of course this is true.
They also believed, wrongly, that sense would prevail, the Germans would compromise and a solution be found.
They don't believe that anymore.
I was there last summer, the most popular Greek paper had ran a poll on whether Greece should leave the EU...70% wanted OUT.
When I first set foot outside the airport and tracked down the van I had hired for the party, I walked through a furious debate going on between a group of around 12 drivers (taxi and bus). There was 1 in particular who was furious with something another had said, I thought he was going to pop him.
I said to the Greek bloke hiring me the van; "What's the matter with him?"
He replied; "They discuss the EU, he says we must leave"
I turned and observed a few seconds more (loud Greek voices, a couple of "Malaka!"s audible..."the other guy is outnumbered no?"
Greek; "They all want to leave except him"
Me (smiling); "you?"
Greek; "today if I could!" (laughing)
The lady who owned the complex we were staying in (a strip of land with 4 villas on it, 10 minute walk from the nightlife) raised the subject of the EU within the first couple of hours of us being there...I didn't talk, I just listen...she, her husband & her sons were exhilarated by the thought of our referendum...they BEGGED us to vote 'out';
"they can't bully the UK, if you left perhaps the whole thing can be finished".
Only I from our party was a Brexiter, at the pool later they laughed at the earlier conversation...I stayed quiet, I listen.
Throughout the holiday, on our excursions, we encountered several Greeks expressing similar sentiments.
What has happened in Greece and the other southern European countries is a...well, I won't say "tragedy", there are plenty on this planet who have had it far worse...calamity
and people, young people, (from these countries) are f*cking angry about it actually. |
Fair play. You lead an eventful life.
And every encounter backs up the shit you spout on here.
Nothing like that ever happens to me. Apart from the muslim/eskimo thing which is really, really true. Honest. |  | |  |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 10:52 - Apr 1 with 1236 views | deanscfc |
Brexit is already proving to be a shambles and will likely be one of the biggest acts of self harm a country has taken upon itself in the modern era. It's actually hard to sum up the short sightedness of the leave arguments.
I've been to 4 different countries in mainland Europe since the referendum and every time am met with questions not about my opinion on the ref but about how people in the UK could have been so easily fooled. Experiencing places even such as Poland becoming fairly pricey trips because of our currency crashing, and seeing how the quality of life/standards in some of these countries is better, contrary to what the Daily Mail drills into people here every day is sad. Why people voted to remove their rights to live, work, and retire in their own continent on this mistaken idea that immigration was a huge problem and would suddenly stop after Brexit... beggars belief really.
I actually can't see Brexit happening in anything more than name such is the weakness of the UK in all of this. Eventually people will wake up and realise that practically everything the leave campaign said was a lie. We know EU immigrants make a net contribution to the UK economy and we know that regardless of this fact leaving the EU will not dramatically decrease immigration because we can see that non EU immigration keeps rising despite us supposedly 'having control'. We know that leaving the single market is damaging because we can see businesses currently moving away to Europe and if it weren't damaging our Brexiteer cabinet wouldn't be so desperate to get tariff free access to it. We know Brexit was based on lies...the £350m for the NHS, Daniel Hannan telling the public 'absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market.." and we can now see that warnings that Brexit could destabilise the UK (claims arrogantly dismissed as project fear) are coming true with Scotland wanting a second referendum, questions over Northern Ireland etc are.
As for the issue of sovereignty, even the Brexit government white paper states that Britain never lost its sovereignty. Those claims of an EU 'dictatorship' were always an insult to people living in actual dictatorships...unless you think that having clean waters, employment rights and protection of the environment is a bad thing. The fact is that if you want the benefits of being a member of something then you have to play by at least some of the rules.
Brexit is an absolute shambles from start to whenever this debacle finishes and the lieks of Johnson, Gove, Farage etc..all of whom only ever had their own interests at heart, and the billionaire owned Daily Mail/Sun/Express completely duped the public into making themselves worse off. Just watch the people who voted for price rises complain about price rises these next few years and just watch those who voted for the government only to have time/money for Brexit complain that the NHS isn't getting the attention and funding it needs... You reap what you sow... |  | | |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 10:56 - Apr 1 with 1231 views | raynor94 |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 10:52 - Apr 1 by deanscfc |
Brexit is already proving to be a shambles and will likely be one of the biggest acts of self harm a country has taken upon itself in the modern era. It's actually hard to sum up the short sightedness of the leave arguments.
I've been to 4 different countries in mainland Europe since the referendum and every time am met with questions not about my opinion on the ref but about how people in the UK could have been so easily fooled. Experiencing places even such as Poland becoming fairly pricey trips because of our currency crashing, and seeing how the quality of life/standards in some of these countries is better, contrary to what the Daily Mail drills into people here every day is sad. Why people voted to remove their rights to live, work, and retire in their own continent on this mistaken idea that immigration was a huge problem and would suddenly stop after Brexit... beggars belief really.
I actually can't see Brexit happening in anything more than name such is the weakness of the UK in all of this. Eventually people will wake up and realise that practically everything the leave campaign said was a lie. We know EU immigrants make a net contribution to the UK economy and we know that regardless of this fact leaving the EU will not dramatically decrease immigration because we can see that non EU immigration keeps rising despite us supposedly 'having control'. We know that leaving the single market is damaging because we can see businesses currently moving away to Europe and if it weren't damaging our Brexiteer cabinet wouldn't be so desperate to get tariff free access to it. We know Brexit was based on lies...the £350m for the NHS, Daniel Hannan telling the public 'absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market.." and we can now see that warnings that Brexit could destabilise the UK (claims arrogantly dismissed as project fear) are coming true with Scotland wanting a second referendum, questions over Northern Ireland etc are.
As for the issue of sovereignty, even the Brexit government white paper states that Britain never lost its sovereignty. Those claims of an EU 'dictatorship' were always an insult to people living in actual dictatorships...unless you think that having clean waters, employment rights and protection of the environment is a bad thing. The fact is that if you want the benefits of being a member of something then you have to play by at least some of the rules.
Brexit is an absolute shambles from start to whenever this debacle finishes and the lieks of Johnson, Gove, Farage etc..all of whom only ever had their own interests at heart, and the billionaire owned Daily Mail/Sun/Express completely duped the public into making themselves worse off. Just watch the people who voted for price rises complain about price rises these next few years and just watch those who voted for the government only to have time/money for Brexit complain that the NHS isn't getting the attention and funding it needs... You reap what you sow... |
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 11:02 - Apr 1 with 1221 views | deanscfc |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 10:56 - Apr 1 by raynor94 |
Who wrote that article? |
Myself..why? Long yes but this stuff should be said for the benefit of all these people holding on to the concept that Brexit is somehow 'a good idea'. [Post edited 1 Apr 2017 11:05]
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 11:04 - Apr 1 with 1219 views | Kerouac |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 10:52 - Apr 1 by deanscfc |
Brexit is already proving to be a shambles and will likely be one of the biggest acts of self harm a country has taken upon itself in the modern era. It's actually hard to sum up the short sightedness of the leave arguments.
I've been to 4 different countries in mainland Europe since the referendum and every time am met with questions not about my opinion on the ref but about how people in the UK could have been so easily fooled. Experiencing places even such as Poland becoming fairly pricey trips because of our currency crashing, and seeing how the quality of life/standards in some of these countries is better, contrary to what the Daily Mail drills into people here every day is sad. Why people voted to remove their rights to live, work, and retire in their own continent on this mistaken idea that immigration was a huge problem and would suddenly stop after Brexit... beggars belief really.
I actually can't see Brexit happening in anything more than name such is the weakness of the UK in all of this. Eventually people will wake up and realise that practically everything the leave campaign said was a lie. We know EU immigrants make a net contribution to the UK economy and we know that regardless of this fact leaving the EU will not dramatically decrease immigration because we can see that non EU immigration keeps rising despite us supposedly 'having control'. We know that leaving the single market is damaging because we can see businesses currently moving away to Europe and if it weren't damaging our Brexiteer cabinet wouldn't be so desperate to get tariff free access to it. We know Brexit was based on lies...the £350m for the NHS, Daniel Hannan telling the public 'absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market.." and we can now see that warnings that Brexit could destabilise the UK (claims arrogantly dismissed as project fear) are coming true with Scotland wanting a second referendum, questions over Northern Ireland etc are.
As for the issue of sovereignty, even the Brexit government white paper states that Britain never lost its sovereignty. Those claims of an EU 'dictatorship' were always an insult to people living in actual dictatorships...unless you think that having clean waters, employment rights and protection of the environment is a bad thing. The fact is that if you want the benefits of being a member of something then you have to play by at least some of the rules.
Brexit is an absolute shambles from start to whenever this debacle finishes and the lieks of Johnson, Gove, Farage etc..all of whom only ever had their own interests at heart, and the billionaire owned Daily Mail/Sun/Express completely duped the public into making themselves worse off. Just watch the people who voted for price rises complain about price rises these next few years and just watch those who voted for the government only to have time/money for Brexit complain that the NHS isn't getting the attention and funding it needs... You reap what you sow... |
Some articles for you;
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/remainers-must-learn-from-the-optimism-of-
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/confirmed-uk-economic-growth-accelerated-b
It is a FACT that the economy has grown faster since the vote and it is also a FACT that Pound Sterling made gains against the Euro on the day May triggered Article 50...something you don't see reported on the BBC, why? |  |
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 11:14 - Apr 1 with 1215 views | deanscfc |
Come on...you KNOW how this is panning out and its time that people who voted for it accepted some home truths.
Growth is not what it could or would be had we remained. I'm not sure even the few Brexiter economists out there think growth figures will improve for at least a few years after Brexit. It is practically certain that growth will slow. Consumer spending propped up our economy recently because of people's naivety over the Brexit impact.
As for talk about currency...just don't be silly. If you look at a timeline of sterling compared to other major currencies it crashed on June 24th 2016 and fell further again in October when the PM started signalling that hard brexit would be the only way (because like Remainers warned, Boris Johnson, David David etc were talking nonsense/lying when they said the EU would somehow be able to allow all the benefits of the single market without freedom of movement). [Post edited 1 Apr 2017 11:16]
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 11:35 - Apr 1 with 1196 views | Highjack |
We've missed your positive, half glass full outlook Dean. |  |
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 11:35 - Apr 1 with 1196 views | Kerouac |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 11:14 - Apr 1 by deanscfc |
Come on...you KNOW how this is panning out and its time that people who voted for it accepted some home truths.
Growth is not what it could or would be had we remained. I'm not sure even the few Brexiter economists out there think growth figures will improve for at least a few years after Brexit. It is practically certain that growth will slow. Consumer spending propped up our economy recently because of people's naivety over the Brexit impact.
As for talk about currency...just don't be silly. If you look at a timeline of sterling compared to other major currencies it crashed on June 24th 2016 and fell further again in October when the PM started signalling that hard brexit would be the only way (because like Remainers warned, Boris Johnson, David David etc were talking nonsense/lying when they said the EU would somehow be able to allow all the benefits of the single market without freedom of movement). [Post edited 1 Apr 2017 11:16]
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How far do you want to take that timeline back (on currency) ?
Pound sterling had been rising steadily pre-referendum.
The concensus was that Sterling was too strong.
Mervyn King himself has said that the drop we saw in Sterling was something the Bank of England had been trying to manufacture for years.
It is the drop in Sterling and the trade deals we will now be able to strike with the rest of the World that is going to provide the growth.
My point regarding the reporting of it is that everytime we have taken a step closer to Brexit and Sterling has decreased in value the BBC have reported this and linked the two.
On Wednesday the opposite happened and no mention, why? | |
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 12:29 - Apr 1 with 1166 views | deanscfc |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 11:35 - Apr 1 by Kerouac |
How far do you want to take that timeline back (on currency) ?
Pound sterling had been rising steadily pre-referendum.
The concensus was that Sterling was too strong.
Mervyn King himself has said that the drop we saw in Sterling was something the Bank of England had been trying to manufacture for years.
It is the drop in Sterling and the trade deals we will now be able to strike with the rest of the World that is going to provide the growth.
My point regarding the reporting of it is that everytime we have taken a step closer to Brexit and Sterling has decreased in value the BBC have reported this and linked the two.
On Wednesday the opposite happened and no mention, why? |
You're basically talking BBC bias and actually many remainers were angry last week when the BBC was practically the only news channel not to cover upwards of 25,000 remain supporters protesting in London. Both sides can claim they are biased. The £ has lost ground against the Euro since the referendum (and a huge amount on the dollar) and until it gets close to making up that ground then there isn't too much of a story to tell. It's fine speculating about whether our £ was overvalued but cost of living is increasing and prices are rising which hits us all including the people who voted for it.
All we can do at the moment is sit back and watch this pan out but it is already going badly...the Gibraltar issue is another c*ck up from the UK gov't. I honestly don't think it will be long before even many leave voters are calling for a vote on the terms of Brexit. | | | |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 12:36 - Apr 1 with 1163 views | deanscfc |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 11:35 - Apr 1 by Highjack |
We've missed your positive, half glass full outlook Dean. |
No point pretending the outlook is bright if we carry on this path. It was basically a vote to weaken the UK and possibly even break it up. A lot of right wing brexit voters dislike political correctness or soft 'snowflake' talk so why not just be blunt about it like I am? Something which rubs a lot of people up the wrong way, which we aren't allowed to talk about is that one of the biggest indicators of a brexit vote was being less educated. Why can't we talk about that? Because it upsets people? I strongly believe that people didn't think about the bigger picture...phrases like 'take back control' or 'get our country back' were enough for them. Many in this country probably spent more time considering their X Factor vote than they did the future of their country. | | | |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 14:13 - Apr 1 with 1121 views | Highjack |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 12:36 - Apr 1 by deanscfc |
No point pretending the outlook is bright if we carry on this path. It was basically a vote to weaken the UK and possibly even break it up. A lot of right wing brexit voters dislike political correctness or soft 'snowflake' talk so why not just be blunt about it like I am? Something which rubs a lot of people up the wrong way, which we aren't allowed to talk about is that one of the biggest indicators of a brexit vote was being less educated. Why can't we talk about that? Because it upsets people? I strongly believe that people didn't think about the bigger picture...phrases like 'take back control' or 'get our country back' were enough for them. Many in this country probably spent more time considering their X Factor vote than they did the future of their country. |
Have you ever considered a job working for Tony Blair? | |
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 14:18 - Apr 1 with 1113 views | perchrockjack |
I doubt democracy sometimes mainly because of the sheer stupidity and ignorance of the electorate.
Let's face it
Most voted to leave on racial grounds
An unpalatable fact
Johnny foreigners again | |
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 15:23 - Apr 1 with 1097 views | exiledclaseboy |
Kerouac's like our very own Peter Ustinov. Or Walter Mitty. Take your pick. [Post edited 1 Apr 2017 15:23]
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 16:51 - Apr 1 with 1064 views | Kerouac |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 15:23 - Apr 1 by exiledclaseboy |
Kerouac's like our very own Peter Ustinov. Or Walter Mitty. Take your pick. [Post edited 1 Apr 2017 15:23]
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Keep attacking the man not the ball, it amuses me because it is an admission of defeat. | |
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 16:57 - Apr 1 with 1059 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 16:51 - Apr 1 by Kerouac |
Keep attacking the man not the ball, it amuses me because it is an admission of defeat. |
I'm just saying I like your stories regardless of their questionable veracity. Don't take on so. | |
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 17:39 - Apr 1 with 1021 views | rock1n |
Just coming back from bath, beautiful city lovely architecture, eccentric people, thriving businesses and above all cosmopolitan. The women were beautiful not a fat body in sight, no swearing and shouting in the street. I walked past a pro remain protest apparently 70% plus voted remain there. It spoke volumes for me, educated, liberal people not fearful of the outsider. Sad times. |  |
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 18:29 - Apr 1 with 995 views | union_jack |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 16:57 - Apr 1 by exiledclaseboy |
I'm just saying I like your stories regardless of their questionable veracity. Don't take on so. |
"Don't take on so"? 
What era does that come from? |  |
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 18:48 - Apr 1 with 987 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 18:29 - Apr 1 by union_jack |
"Don't take on so"?
What era does that come from? |
It strikes me as a tad Enid Blyton to be honest. | |
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 18:51 - Apr 1 with 983 views | union_jack |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 18:48 - Apr 1 by exiledclaseboy |
It strikes me as a tad Enid Blyton to be honest. |
Yes, I can hear it now! | |
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 19:01 - Apr 1 with 970 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 18:51 - Apr 1 by union_jack |
Yes, I can hear it now! |
Are you watching the tennis? Konta a set up in the Miami final against Wozniacki. | |
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 20:05 - Apr 1 with 940 views | union_jack |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 19:01 - Apr 1 by exiledclaseboy |
Are you watching the tennis? Konta a set up in the Miami final against Wozniacki. |
I dipped in and out.
She looks the real deal tbh. A few psychological issues which will be eradicated as she progresses. I saw a couple of capitulations at 40-0 but then she dug deep to break serve after losing it. Impressed I must say.
And she beat Williams in the semi, and in straight sets.
Good for British tennis. | |
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 20:07 - Apr 1 with 938 views | Loyal |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 18:48 - Apr 1 by exiledclaseboy |
It strikes me as a tad Enid Blyton to be honest. |
She would have fcking had it up the magic faraway tree. |  |
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| Brexit City : Swansea on 20:21 - Apr 1 with 923 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 15:23 - Apr 1 by exiledclaseboy |
Kerouac's like our very own Peter Ustinov. Or Walter Mitty. Take your pick. [Post edited 1 Apr 2017 15:23]
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Peter Ustinov? I was thinking more Jay Cartwright. | | | |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 20:35 - Apr 1 with 918 views | LeonWasGod |
1. We are still in the EU
2. Article 50 was largely factored in to the large, sudden drop in the value of the pound on the referendum result. Were still well down on pre-June rates - we've been mostly between 1.13 and 1.18 since June. We're currently lower than mid-Feb rates. In other words, day to day fluctuations are just noise. People trying to make political capital out of a rise or fall over a few hours are wasting their time - it's meaningless over those time scales.
3. Growth is good, no problems with that. But it's been lower each quarter since the vote than preceding it. So the vote has retarded growth. But again, we're still in the EU so nothing has changed in our trading position with the EU and rest of the world. We won't know the true effects of Brexit until we leave.
4. Impacts so far have been social and relatively minor financial ones. You'll need to be working with others from EU countries to have noticed probably. |  | | |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 23:33 - Apr 1 with 882 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Brexit City : Swansea on 20:21 - Apr 1 by londonlisa2001 |
Peter Ustinov? I was thinking more Jay Cartwright. |
Cruel but funny. His next (fourth) username should be jackanory. | |
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