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Brexit City : Swansea on 20:16 - Mar 30 by Flashberryjack
About 64% of registered voters aged 18-24 went to polls, study reveals, but 90% of over-65s voted.
So 36% of 18 -24 year olds couldn't ar*ed.......if only
Just as an aside, how do they get these figures regarding who voted what considering it's meant to be a secret ballot and you don't write your age,race, education level etc on the ballot paper?
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Brexit City : Swansea on 21:28 - Mar 30 by Highjack
Just as an aside, how do they get these figures regarding who voted what considering it's meant to be a secret ballot and you don't write your age,race, education level etc on the ballot paper?
Polls.
Or, if you voted leave, Poles.
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Brexit City : Swansea on 21:35 - Mar 30 with 1457 views
Brexit City : Swansea on 21:32 - Mar 30 by WarwickHunt
Polls.
Or, if you voted leave, Poles.
So when they try to paint 17 million people as old, white, uneducated, thick, male, poor, racist idiots they don't really have any actual data bar a tiny sample which they've extrapolated over the whole country?
Shocking stuff.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Brexit City : Swansea on 21:35 - Mar 30 by Highjack
So when they try to paint 17 million people as old, white, uneducated, thick, male, poor, racist idiots they don't really have any actual data bar a tiny sample which they've extrapolated over the whole country?
Shocking stuff.
It would be if anyone had actually tried to do that.
Brexit City : Swansea on 21:35 - Mar 30 by Highjack
So when they try to paint 17 million people as old, white, uneducated, thick, male, poor, racist idiots they don't really have any actual data bar a tiny sample which they've extrapolated over the whole country?
Shocking stuff.
Seems reasonably accurate.
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Brexit City : Swansea on 22:19 - Mar 30 with 1415 views
I just happen to believe it is much more of a force for good, if those Countries hate the EU so much why did they go through such pain to remain in the EU? Greek people never at any time wavered in their hope to stay in the EU.
You are doing something that a lot of 'Remainers' do, comparing apples with oranges.
Greece is not the UK. Oh yeah sure, the Greeks were angry at the EU (especially the Germans), they were angry at their own political establishment also and they expressed their anger at the ballot box...but they couldn't leave the EU and the Eurozone, they are a small country with a dodgy credit history, well down the food chain.
"the euro is a burning building with no exits" - William Hague
If they had left at that time with that level of debt they believed they would be in deep shiit...and of course this is true. They also believed, wrongly, that sense would prevail, the Germans would compromise and a solution be found. They don't believe that anymore.
I was there last summer, the most popular Greek paper had ran a poll on whether Greece should leave the EU...70% wanted OUT. When I first set foot outside the airport and tracked down the van I had hired for the party, I walked through a furious debate going on between a group of around 12 drivers (taxi and bus). There was 1 in particular who was furious with something another had said, I thought he was going to pop him. I said to the Greek bloke hiring me the van; "What's the matter with him?" He replied; "They discuss the EU, he says we must leave" I turned and observed a few seconds more (loud Greek voices, a couple of "Malaka!"s audible..."the other guy is outnumbered no?" Greek; "They all want to leave except him" Me (smiling); "you?" Greek; "today if I could!" (laughing)
The lady who owned the complex we were staying in (a strip of land with 4 villas on it, 10 minute walk from the nightlife) raised the subject of the EU within the first couple of hours of us being there...I didn't talk, I just listen...she, her husband & her sons were exhilarated by the thought of our referendum...they BEGGED us to vote 'out'; "they can't bully the UK, if you left perhaps the whole thing can be finished".
Only I from our party was a Brexiter, at the pool later they laughed at the earlier conversation...I stayed quiet, I listen. Throughout the holiday, on our excursions, we encountered several Greeks expressing similar sentiments.
What has happened in Greece and the other southern European countries is a...well, I won't say "tragedy", there are plenty on this planet who have had it far worse...calamity and people, young people, (from these countries) are f*cking angry about it actually.
Brexit City : Swansea on 22:19 - Mar 30 by Kerouac
You are doing something that a lot of 'Remainers' do, comparing apples with oranges.
Greece is not the UK. Oh yeah sure, the Greeks were angry at the EU (especially the Germans), they were angry at their own political establishment also and they expressed their anger at the ballot box...but they couldn't leave the EU and the Eurozone, they are a small country with a dodgy credit history, well down the food chain.
"the euro is a burning building with no exits" - William Hague
If they had left at that time with that level of debt they believed they would be in deep shiit...and of course this is true. They also believed, wrongly, that sense would prevail, the Germans would compromise and a solution be found. They don't believe that anymore.
I was there last summer, the most popular Greek paper had ran a poll on whether Greece should leave the EU...70% wanted OUT. When I first set foot outside the airport and tracked down the van I had hired for the party, I walked through a furious debate going on between a group of around 12 drivers (taxi and bus). There was 1 in particular who was furious with something another had said, I thought he was going to pop him. I said to the Greek bloke hiring me the van; "What's the matter with him?" He replied; "They discuss the EU, he says we must leave" I turned and observed a few seconds more (loud Greek voices, a couple of "Malaka!"s audible..."the other guy is outnumbered no?" Greek; "They all want to leave except him" Me (smiling); "you?" Greek; "today if I could!" (laughing)
The lady who owned the complex we were staying in (a strip of land with 4 villas on it, 10 minute walk from the nightlife) raised the subject of the EU within the first couple of hours of us being there...I didn't talk, I just listen...she, her husband & her sons were exhilarated by the thought of our referendum...they BEGGED us to vote 'out'; "they can't bully the UK, if you left perhaps the whole thing can be finished".
Only I from our party was a Brexiter, at the pool later they laughed at the earlier conversation...I stayed quiet, I listen. Throughout the holiday, on our excursions, we encountered several Greeks expressing similar sentiments.
What has happened in Greece and the other southern European countries is a...well, I won't say "tragedy", there are plenty on this planet who have had it far worse...calamity and people, young people, (from these countries) are f*cking angry about it actually.
I must say that I'm greatly enjoying these vignettes - this one, the one about the beardy aggressive Moslem in Australia, and particularly the recent tale of the Maltese man who turned into an Iranian part way through.
The chances of you meeting all these people who back up your viewpoint are really quite extraordinary when you think about it. You almost couldn't make it up.
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Brexit City : Swansea on 23:06 - Mar 30 with 1393 views
Brexit City : Swansea on 23:02 - Mar 30 by londonlisa2001
I must say that I'm greatly enjoying these vignettes - this one, the one about the beardy aggressive Moslem in Australia, and particularly the recent tale of the Maltese man who turned into an Iranian part way through.
The chances of you meeting all these people who back up your viewpoint are really quite extraordinary when you think about it. You almost couldn't make it up.
Brexit City : Swansea on 23:02 - Mar 30 by londonlisa2001
I must say that I'm greatly enjoying these vignettes - this one, the one about the beardy aggressive Moslem in Australia, and particularly the recent tale of the Maltese man who turned into an Iranian part way through.
The chances of you meeting all these people who back up your viewpoint are really quite extraordinary when you think about it. You almost couldn't make it up.
Continually being banned by Planet Swans for Porthcawl and then being reinstated.
Brexit City : Swansea on 12:34 - Mar 30 by perchrockjack
Nothing against any individual voter but we ve voted for the Unknown
The Unknown
Very good point. The thing is, its 9 months later and we are still in the dark as to what Brexit will actually mean. Dont paint me as a Remoaner, but the thought springs to mind that the since we didnt know what it meant then, and are still a long way from knowing now; the referendum was pretty meaningless. Whether the result had turned out Leave or Remain, the referendum was a farcical exercise. I hope it turns out all right things dont look too bad at the moment, but in about a years time when more and more of the consequences emerge, EVERYONE is going to get very nervous indeeed. Oh well, were all in it together.
If you can fill the unforgiving minute.
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!
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Brexit City : Swansea on 13:29 - Mar 31 with 1240 views
Brexit City : Swansea on 12:55 - Mar 31 by Clinton
Very good point. The thing is, its 9 months later and we are still in the dark as to what Brexit will actually mean. Dont paint me as a Remoaner, but the thought springs to mind that the since we didnt know what it meant then, and are still a long way from knowing now; the referendum was pretty meaningless. Whether the result had turned out Leave or Remain, the referendum was a farcical exercise. I hope it turns out all right things dont look too bad at the moment, but in about a years time when more and more of the consequences emerge, EVERYONE is going to get very nervous indeeed. Oh well, were all in it together.
Agree with most of that although I don't think it has started out too well either. May is already at odds with the EU on what order the terms will be discussed. Lloyds insurance are opening an office in Brussels to service their European customers and other noises from the City of London suggest more coould follow. Other financial centres are already flexing their muscles in the hope of pinching some of the City's action. Today we hear Spain are anxious to bring Gibraltar into the negotiation as well. We need to fight that one as, if we are gong to get all these deals in China India and The Commonwealth, we are going to need access via the Suez Canal and the Straights of Gibraltar big time.
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You have mission in life to hold out your hand,
To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
Stan Ridgway
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Brexit City : Swansea on 16:15 - Mar 31 with 1164 views
Brexit City : Swansea on 15:02 - Mar 31 by Private_Partz
Agree with most of that although I don't think it has started out too well either. May is already at odds with the EU on what order the terms will be discussed. Lloyds insurance are opening an office in Brussels to service their European customers and other noises from the City of London suggest more coould follow. Other financial centres are already flexing their muscles in the hope of pinching some of the City's action. Today we hear Spain are anxious to bring Gibraltar into the negotiation as well. We need to fight that one as, if we are gong to get all these deals in China India and The Commonwealth, we are going to need access via the Suez Canal and the Straights of Gibraltar big time.
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If we are going to get Empire 2.0, we need to start building a few more gun boats.
Brexit City : Swansea on 15:02 - Mar 31 by Private_Partz
Agree with most of that although I don't think it has started out too well either. May is already at odds with the EU on what order the terms will be discussed. Lloyds insurance are opening an office in Brussels to service their European customers and other noises from the City of London suggest more coould follow. Other financial centres are already flexing their muscles in the hope of pinching some of the City's action. Today we hear Spain are anxious to bring Gibraltar into the negotiation as well. We need to fight that one as, if we are gong to get all these deals in China India and The Commonwealth, we are going to need access via the Suez Canal and the Straights of Gibraltar big time.
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Ah yes, Lloyds.
Setting up a subsidiary in Brussels to service EU clients. Tens of jobs. Tens.
They've also a subsidiary in China, have had for a while.
Facts not as newsworthy as the "Lloyds have left!" style headlines the BBC use to mislead.
It always interests me that the negative view receives disproportionate coverage.
Siemens were part of Project Fear. "Uncertainty... may be a factor when considering future investment here" has now become "There is no reason not to invest tomorrow, if there is a demand and a commitment from the customer. I am willing — and the company is willing to invest — further. There are more opportunities than risks for us.".
More opportunities than risks.
Spain want to get Gibraltar into discussions? Yawn. It's all about fishing.... after Brexit they are probably sh*t scared their usual practises could lead to their fishermen being blown up...
Personally I think Wales will lose out ....whilst the UK will no longer pay in to the EU Westminster will hold the purse strings and whereas on the past Wales has received funding back eg objective 1 monies I think this will all be spent in the South East
Brexit City : Swansea on 15:00 - Mar 30 by Kerouac
Some people who believe that the EU is not the best way forward are old, some people who believe that the EU is the best of all possible worlds are.... Jean-Claude Junker - 62 Wolfgang Schäuble - 74 Martin Schulz - 61 José Manuel Barroso - 61 Mario Draghi - 69 Herman Van Rompuy - 69 Angela Merkel - 62 Michael Heseltine - 84 Ken Clarke - 76 Guy Verhofstadt - 63 François Hollande - 62 etc. etc. etc.
Perhaps the EU is a construct designed by an older generation which has become obsolete. Perhaps young people will learn the lessons from the failure of the EU and design something better. Maybe it will look more like what the UK has been arguing for all along the way. Maybe the rest of the club will take us more seriously next time.
Thanks for telling us that most people who eventually get into positions of power tend to be old.
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