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Brexit City : Swansea 08:38 - Mar 29 with 12308 viewswestside

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Brexit City : Swansea on 15:43 - Mar 29 with 1828 viewsnice_to_michu

Brexit City : Swansea on 15:10 - Mar 29 by Kerouac

You keep missing out a few important steps in the process;

1. The UK allocates funding to the EU

2. The EU allocates some of that funding to deprived areas...e.g. via WAG, with strings attached to how it may be spent

3. The EU allocates the rest of the UK's money in Europe.

4. The EU rewards our generosity by legislating on our behalf, controlling who we may do trade deals with, imposing tariffs on the rest of the World (in order that we buy our food from French, Spanish and Italian farmers rather than farmers outside the EU)

5. Furthermore, the EUs fishermen get to fish OUR waters

6. EU graduates get to come here and take a chunk of the jobs our vibrant economy creates. EU's low-skilled and low paid get to come here and take the majority of that type of job our economy creates (because they will do it cheaper). Meanwhile the reverse is kept to a minimum by the language barrier and the fact that they have made such a mess of their economies that they are not creating as many jobs.

7. No-mark politicians in Brussels believe they can piss from a great height on the British (despite us being huge contributors to their budget and their single market) who wish to make amendments to the situation as there is no mechanism for Britain to remove them.




....yeah, we must be fecking stupid.


1. Argument can be applied to Westminster
2. Argument can be applied to Westminster
3. Argument can be applied to Westminster
4. Argument can be applied to Westminster (e.g. Welsh MPs have a vote on matters that impact things outside of Wales)
5. English people can fish in Swansea Bay
6. Welsh graduates go to London for jobs all the time
7. You send an MEP to Brussels. You send an MP to Westminster. Do you have a mechanism of removing George Osborne as MP for Tatton?
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Brexit City : Swansea on 15:48 - Mar 29 with 1819 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

Brexit City : Swansea on 15:43 - Mar 29 by nice_to_michu

1. Argument can be applied to Westminster
2. Argument can be applied to Westminster
3. Argument can be applied to Westminster
4. Argument can be applied to Westminster (e.g. Welsh MPs have a vote on matters that impact things outside of Wales)
5. English people can fish in Swansea Bay
6. Welsh graduates go to London for jobs all the time
7. You send an MEP to Brussels. You send an MP to Westminster. Do you have a mechanism of removing George Osborne as MP for Tatton?


The people of Tatton must be remarkable people , they obviously dont give a F@ck.

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Brexit City : Swansea on 15:59 - Mar 29 with 1802 viewsPrivate_Partz

Brexit City : Swansea on 09:43 - Mar 29 by Highjack

We'd also have to take away the vote of stupid remoaners like the woman on question time who voted remain because without foreigners there'd be nobody to serve her sandwiches in Pret.

Also the in/out referendum was not only in the UKIP manifesto, it was in the conservative manifesto too who won a majority in the general election so that point is also moot.


Nope the Conservatives sad there would be a referendum. The majority of them wanted in, including their Party Leader and most of ghe Cabinet. UKIP were the only party who wanted out and we are singing to their tune. Say what you like about what you call 'remoaners'. They knew what they were voting for. They had 40 years of it.

You have mission in life to hold out your hand, To help the other guy out, Help your fellow man. Stan Ridgway

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Brexit City : Swansea on 16:07 - Mar 29 with 1789 viewsHighjack

Brexit City : Swansea on 14:18 - Mar 29 by rock1n

In Ebbw Vale HighJack.

Ebbw Vale - let's destroy the Country because they might see a black face in Ebbw Vale

Ebbw fckin Vale


There is absolutely no mention or even any suggestion of anyone being anti "black face" in that video.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Brexit City : Swansea on 16:15 - Mar 29 with 1771 viewsHighjack

Brexit City : Swansea on 15:59 - Mar 29 by Private_Partz

Nope the Conservatives sad there would be a referendum. The majority of them wanted in, including their Party Leader and most of ghe Cabinet. UKIP were the only party who wanted out and we are singing to their tune. Say what you like about what you call 'remoaners'. They knew what they were voting for. They had 40 years of it.


Many Tories wanted to stay in no question but the fact remains it was a clear pledge before the general election. They said if we win a majority we will give you an in out referendum. The whole party campaigned partly on that pledge including Cameron. They feared losing votes to UKIP and wanted to settle the issue of euro scepticism within their own party. Of course the only problem with this cunning plan is it all went tits up when the result went the way they weren't expecting.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Brexit City : Swansea on 16:31 - Mar 29 with 1742 viewsPrivate_Partz

Brexit City : Swansea on 16:15 - Mar 29 by Highjack

Many Tories wanted to stay in no question but the fact remains it was a clear pledge before the general election. They said if we win a majority we will give you an in out referendum. The whole party campaigned partly on that pledge including Cameron. They feared losing votes to UKIP and wanted to settle the issue of euro scepticism within their own party. Of course the only problem with this cunning plan is it all went tits up when the result went the way they weren't expecting.


Yep I agree. A referendum held for all the wrong reasons. Now Politicians are queuing up to carry out the 'will of the people'. I include Corbyn in that. As I say no politician is a one size fits all.
Make no mistake the Tories will make Brexit an excuse for continued austerity. They have already extended their deadline for sorting our the deficit. All politicians regardless of their Party (apart from UKIP and a few Tories) will say not my fault gov. Never wanted it in the first place. I only carried out Joe Voter ''s wishes'.
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You have mission in life to hold out your hand, To help the other guy out, Help your fellow man. Stan Ridgway

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Brexit City : Swansea on 17:28 - Mar 29 with 1703 viewsrock1n

The biggest sin for me is not the result, it's the reaction to the result.

It was extremely close, I agree with what leading brexiteer at the time Daniel Hannan said and I'm paraphrasing - this should be put into consideration when negotiating our divorce

i.e. this should not be a full on extreme separation - it was not a definitive result the Country is divided down the middle and yet we're not just leaving the single market, we're leaving the old common market now known as the customs union.

It feels like a takeover, for me Theresa May has not been a Stateswoman at all if she was a leader she would have united the Country. She's gone for the tub thumping route, which will see her win a majority of around 150 at the next election but that's only good for her and not the Country.

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Brexit City : Swansea on 19:05 - Mar 29 with 1662 viewsperchrockjack

Corbin ..will of the people


Well, that would depend on what people

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Brexit City : Swansea on 19:55 - Mar 29 with 1638 viewsKerouac

Brexit City : Swansea on 15:43 - Mar 29 by nice_to_michu

1. Argument can be applied to Westminster
2. Argument can be applied to Westminster
3. Argument can be applied to Westminster
4. Argument can be applied to Westminster (e.g. Welsh MPs have a vote on matters that impact things outside of Wales)
5. English people can fish in Swansea Bay
6. Welsh graduates go to London for jobs all the time
7. You send an MEP to Brussels. You send an MP to Westminster. Do you have a mechanism of removing George Osborne as MP for Tatton?


Yes, we live in the United Kingdom.
Westminster is OUR parliament.

Any British fisherman fishing our waters is just fine, as they employ British people and pay UK taxes to Westminster. They also use the profit they earn to consume goods within the UK (again, that is good for employment and tax revenues)

It's great that graduates from all over the UK end up working in different fields in different parts of the UK and abroad...it is not great that they have had disproportionate competition for jobs in their own country because the powers that be in Europe have made such a mess of things that there are record numbers of young unemployed across Southern Europe. Most of whom speak English (because they have been taught it in their schools from 6 years old...because learning English has become a necessity) and most of whom have degrees..

Incompetent politicians who make bad decisions and don't listen to the public who have been effected by their bad decisions are usually kicked out at General Elections held every 5 years (or shuffled off by the ruling party in order to avoid losing a seat).

Glad to have helped.
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Brexit City : Swansea on 20:17 - Mar 29 with 1619 viewssherpajacob



Red areas are the ones most deprived, and qualify for most funding.

Considering that The EU s 2nd and worlds 5th richest nation (depending how you measure) has allowed large areas of the uk to suffer so much economically that they qualify for objective one funding. Whilst Germany and France have none. Not even former east Germany

I have no faith that the same Westminster government will give two hoots about those areas going forward.

Wales and Cornwall voted leave.
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Brexit City : Swansea on 20:30 - Mar 29 with 1607 viewsNeath_Jack

Don't be afraid of change, embrace it.

That's the trouble with this country, it loves to wallow in its own self pity.

Get up and at 'em, instead of pontificating on here like you're all some political masterminds.

I want a mate like Flashberryjacks, who wears a Barnsley jersey with "Swans are my second team" on the back.
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Brexit City : Swansea on 20:43 - Mar 29 with 1588 viewsKilkennyjack

Brexit City : Swansea on 20:17 - Mar 29 by sherpajacob



Red areas are the ones most deprived, and qualify for most funding.

Considering that The EU s 2nd and worlds 5th richest nation (depending how you measure) has allowed large areas of the uk to suffer so much economically that they qualify for objective one funding. Whilst Germany and France have none. Not even former east Germany

I have no faith that the same Westminster government will give two hoots about those areas going forward.

Wales and Cornwall voted leave.
[Post edited 29 Mar 2017 20:19]


Great post.

Beware of the Risen People

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Brexit City : Swansea on 20:50 - Mar 29 with 1578 viewsjack2jack

Brexit City : Swansea on 09:02 - Mar 29 by macthejack

That's the crux of it. General public weren't (or didn't want to be) properly informed on all sides of the argument.


Exactly,point is that no one, not even the politicians know how this is going to turn out,nobody does,let's hope it doesn't turn to a ball of chalk,for all our sakes!
That's me done anyway!
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Brexit City : Swansea on 20:51 - Mar 29 with 1575 viewsnice_to_michu

Brexit City : Swansea on 20:30 - Mar 29 by Neath_Jack

Don't be afraid of change, embrace it.

That's the trouble with this country, it loves to wallow in its own self pity.

Get up and at 'em, instead of pontificating on here like you're all some political masterminds.


- "get up and at 'em"

Seeing as though none of us are political masterminds then, what does Prime Minister NeathJack do in terms of leading negotiations and not wallowing in our own pity?

Precisely what policies are you arguing we should get up and at 'em about?
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Brexit City : Swansea on 20:57 - Mar 29 with 1562 viewsNeath_Jack

Brexit City : Swansea on 20:51 - Mar 29 by nice_to_michu

- "get up and at 'em"

Seeing as though none of us are political masterminds then, what does Prime Minister NeathJack do in terms of leading negotiations and not wallowing in our own pity?

Precisely what policies are you arguing we should get up and at 'em about?


Not sure why the snidey little dig, but there we go, you intellectuals are a funny old lot i guess.

How about you get up in the morning, go to work, graft as best as you can, go about your everyday business as normal, buy something nice, book a holiday somewhere, go for a walk, kiss your children goodnight before bed. You know, the stuff you've done for the past 10, 20, 30 years.

And if you fall on hard times, then you dust yourself down, and go again.

I'm not arguing against any policies, I've no need to, because dawn will still break, i'll still end up dying one day. You lot can pretend that you've got the answers and solutions to this countries problems, whilst i carry on, carrying on.

I want a mate like Flashberryjacks, who wears a Barnsley jersey with "Swans are my second team" on the back.
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Brexit City : Swansea on 21:15 - Mar 29 with 1535 viewsnice_to_michu

Brexit City : Swansea on 20:57 - Mar 29 by Neath_Jack

Not sure why the snidey little dig, but there we go, you intellectuals are a funny old lot i guess.

How about you get up in the morning, go to work, graft as best as you can, go about your everyday business as normal, buy something nice, book a holiday somewhere, go for a walk, kiss your children goodnight before bed. You know, the stuff you've done for the past 10, 20, 30 years.

And if you fall on hard times, then you dust yourself down, and go again.

I'm not arguing against any policies, I've no need to, because dawn will still break, i'll still end up dying one day. You lot can pretend that you've got the answers and solutions to this countries problems, whilst i carry on, carrying on.


No snide little digs from me, I literally quoted what you said.

Ok, to summarize your point then, because you will someday die no matter what happens and dawn will still break, we should just dust ourselves down and carry on?

I get the feeling that you think politics doesn't affect your ability to "go about your everyday life". That view couldn't be more removed from the truth. Politics directly influences your ability to book a nice holiday and buy something nice.

The public can influence things in between elections, too (just look at the reversal of the N.I contributions). Just picturing now a bunch of miners saying to their sons, "don't worry about things, the sun will come up tomorrow and we can wait until the next general election to have our say, meanwhile I'm gonna dust myself off and carry on". Working in a mine is obviously far more gruesome than 99% of jobs in the U.K. today, but the point of influencing politics still stands.
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Brexit City : Swansea on 21:25 - Mar 29 with 1528 viewsNeath_Jack

Brexit City : Swansea on 21:15 - Mar 29 by nice_to_michu

No snide little digs from me, I literally quoted what you said.

Ok, to summarize your point then, because you will someday die no matter what happens and dawn will still break, we should just dust ourselves down and carry on?

I get the feeling that you think politics doesn't affect your ability to "go about your everyday life". That view couldn't be more removed from the truth. Politics directly influences your ability to book a nice holiday and buy something nice.

The public can influence things in between elections, too (just look at the reversal of the N.I contributions). Just picturing now a bunch of miners saying to their sons, "don't worry about things, the sun will come up tomorrow and we can wait until the next general election to have our say, meanwhile I'm gonna dust myself off and carry on". Working in a mine is obviously far more gruesome than 99% of jobs in the U.K. today, but the point of influencing politics still stands.


I'm not going to get into an internet willy waving contest with you butty.

You've completely missed my point.

You lot are like a load of old bald men arguing over a comb. You all speak as if you're some sort of authority on politics, you're not. Although i will apologise if you turn out to be a current MP/MEP. I'm not the worlds most intelligent chap, but i'm not so dull as to think that politics don't affect my life, of course they do, but there are far more important things in my life than worrying about Brexit. None of you know what is going to happen, it could go tits up, it could be the best thing that has happened, or it may just be exactly the same as before. Whichever it is, you lot will be falling over yourselves to tell us how right you were all along. It's all a load of b0ll0cks.

Embrace change, don;t be afraid of it.

Some right miserable b@stards on here aye.

I want a mate like Flashberryjacks, who wears a Barnsley jersey with "Swans are my second team" on the back.
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Brexit City : Swansea on 22:02 - Mar 29 with 1477 viewsnice_to_michu

Brexit City : Swansea on 21:25 - Mar 29 by Neath_Jack

I'm not going to get into an internet willy waving contest with you butty.

You've completely missed my point.

You lot are like a load of old bald men arguing over a comb. You all speak as if you're some sort of authority on politics, you're not. Although i will apologise if you turn out to be a current MP/MEP. I'm not the worlds most intelligent chap, but i'm not so dull as to think that politics don't affect my life, of course they do, but there are far more important things in my life than worrying about Brexit. None of you know what is going to happen, it could go tits up, it could be the best thing that has happened, or it may just be exactly the same as before. Whichever it is, you lot will be falling over yourselves to tell us how right you were all along. It's all a load of b0ll0cks.

Embrace change, don;t be afraid of it.

Some right miserable b@stards on here aye.


I'm not a politician, neither am I an academic. I'm also not arrogant enough to think that I am an authority on politics. Expressing opinions is just that, an expression of an opinion.

Out of interest, do you have to be a current player or manager to have an opinion on what happens at Swansea City FC? Do you refrain from saying things like "not sure about the lineup Bob Bradley is playing today", and then say "well of course we got rinsed down the left wing, Kyle Naughton is crap"? It would be a fairly boring website then, wouldn't it?
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Brexit City : Swansea on 22:06 - Mar 29 with 1467 viewslonglostjack

Brexit City : Swansea on 16:07 - Mar 29 by Highjack

There is absolutely no mention or even any suggestion of anyone being anti "black face" in that video.


Maybe not in the video but I know a couple of people in Ebbw Vale who voted Brexit because quote "Turkey was going to join the EU and it was important to take back control".

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Brexit City : Swansea on 22:14 - Mar 29 with 1458 viewslonglostjack

Brexit City : Swansea on 20:17 - Mar 29 by sherpajacob



Red areas are the ones most deprived, and qualify for most funding.

Considering that The EU s 2nd and worlds 5th richest nation (depending how you measure) has allowed large areas of the uk to suffer so much economically that they qualify for objective one funding. Whilst Germany and France have none. Not even former east Germany

I have no faith that the same Westminster government will give two hoots about those areas going forward.

Wales and Cornwall voted leave.
[Post edited 29 Mar 2017 20:19]


That says it all. The EU has done more for the deprived regions of the UK than successive Westminster governments have ever done or ever will do.

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Brexit City : Swansea on 10:17 - Mar 30 with 1380 viewsHumpty

Brexit City : Swansea on 21:25 - Mar 29 by Neath_Jack

I'm not going to get into an internet willy waving contest with you butty.

You've completely missed my point.

You lot are like a load of old bald men arguing over a comb. You all speak as if you're some sort of authority on politics, you're not. Although i will apologise if you turn out to be a current MP/MEP. I'm not the worlds most intelligent chap, but i'm not so dull as to think that politics don't affect my life, of course they do, but there are far more important things in my life than worrying about Brexit. None of you know what is going to happen, it could go tits up, it could be the best thing that has happened, or it may just be exactly the same as before. Whichever it is, you lot will be falling over yourselves to tell us how right you were all along. It's all a load of b0ll0cks.

Embrace change, don;t be afraid of it.

Some right miserable b@stards on here aye.


If you're not interested in Brexit or politics that's fine.

But why come on a thread specifically about Brexit/politics to attack people who are interested talking about it?

There's a thread on here about washing machine repair. I'm sure it's very interesting and informative but I'm only guessing as I've not read it, as my washing machine is working fine and I'm not really interested in washing machines.

I haven't gone on there to tell them to shut up though. "Stop talking about washing machines chaps, I'm not interested. I bet you not washing machine experts anyway."

Just like I don't go on lot's of threads that don't interest me. I don't go on threads about Big Brother, MMA or what Darran's dog is wearing tonight.

I also don't tell them to shut up though. Leave people alone to talk about what they want to talk about.
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Brexit City : Swansea on 11:02 - Mar 30 with 1361 viewsPrivate_Partz

Brexit City : Swansea on 19:05 - Mar 29 by perchrockjack

Corbin ..will of the people


Well, that would depend on what people


They are all saying it Perch. Corbyn is one of many. Well those ready to jump over the Brexit cliff are anyway.

You have mission in life to hold out your hand, To help the other guy out, Help your fellow man. Stan Ridgway

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Brexit City : Swansea on 11:31 - Mar 30 with 1345 viewsrock1n

Brexit City : Swansea on 20:30 - Mar 29 by Neath_Jack

Don't be afraid of change, embrace it.

That's the trouble with this country, it loves to wallow in its own self pity.

Get up and at 'em, instead of pontificating on here like you're all some political masterminds.


Hilarious.

The Brexit vote was based on nostalgia for the past.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter

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Brexit City : Swansea on 11:36 - Mar 30 with 1340 viewsrock1n

Watching Heseltine and Rees-Mogg on newsnight made me feel even sadder.

I respect Jacob Rees-Mogg, I think he's a class act but you could see he was visibly sad to see what Heseltine said because there was a great deal of truth and experience in what he said.

There is no joy for anyone at the moment, the best we can do is say 'we're British we'll be ok'

Ridiculous state of affairs.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter

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Brexit City : Swansea on 11:44 - Mar 30 with 1328 viewsrock1n

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Southeast_Asian_Nations

Looks pretty similar to EU.

Why can't we be more like Singapore...

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter

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