| Dunne off? on 13:39 - Feb 3 with 3748 views | eastside_r |
| Dunne off? on 13:17 - Feb 3 by Quite_Possibly_Ropey |
Not itk by any stretch, but was talking to a local journalist at the Millwall game about Jimmy's situation. Just sharing what I was told, as plenty of us want to know what has/hasn't been offered in terms of a contract.
Was confidently told that the Sheffield United offer that came in at the end of last week was £400k up front, rising to just under £2mil depending on appearances, promotion, etc.
We have had a straight three year deal on the table since the start of the season, but have been at an impasse with JD as he wants a 4 year deal with option for a fifth. Effectively he wants to commit his future but we won't budge beyond 3 years, as it stands.
Feel free to shoot at me if that's what gets you through the day, but just sharing what I was told. |
Out of all the scenarios put forward this to me seems the most likely. |  | |  |
| Dunne off? on 13:48 - Feb 3 with 3565 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Dunne off? on 13:37 - Feb 3 by Ned_Kennedys |
So you decide to post an implied accusation about QPR fans with absolutely no evidence or need to do so on an unrelated thread about Jimmy Dunne and get all sensitive about it when you are rightly called out by a few fellow posters.
Suggest you keep your vigilance and passion for whichever subject you are going on about to appropriate and relevant areas, preferably not on here. |
I'm not sensitive about it at all. I'll talk about it as much as you like. I'd just rather not give moderators a headache so would rather do it in private.
By the way I read a race related 'joke' on this very forum last week. Why would you be so triggered about it as a plausibility? That's a rhetorical question. [Post edited 3 Feb 14:06]
|  | | |
| Dunne off? on 13:56 - Feb 3 with 3362 views | BklynRanger |
| Dunne off? on 13:17 - Feb 3 by Quite_Possibly_Ropey |
Not itk by any stretch, but was talking to a local journalist at the Millwall game about Jimmy's situation. Just sharing what I was told, as plenty of us want to know what has/hasn't been offered in terms of a contract.
Was confidently told that the Sheffield United offer that came in at the end of last week was £400k up front, rising to just under £2mil depending on appearances, promotion, etc.
We have had a straight three year deal on the table since the start of the season, but have been at an impasse with JD as he wants a 4 year deal with option for a fifth. Effectively he wants to commit his future but we won't budge beyond 3 years, as it stands.
Feel free to shoot at me if that's what gets you through the day, but just sharing what I was told. |
If true I'd say fair enough in terms of how the club is acting.
400k is worth pushing back on at least once with Sheff Utd, and I wouldn't go beyond a 3 year deal with Jimmy.
Getting into those longer term deals has been a bad idea for quite some time for us, and we even have a new example in the shape of Madsen.
I can understand Jimmy wants more certainty, but 3 years (or even another 2 before decision time) isn't bad in modern football. Would be a shame if he walks away from that in the end. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 13:57 - Feb 3 with 3337 views | EastR |
| Dunne off? on 13:17 - Feb 3 by JamesB1979 |
Our accounting period is to April (not December), in line with tax year. |
Our accounting year is to 31 May |  |
| |
| Dunne off? on 14:01 - Feb 3 with 3269 views | Quite_Possibly_Ropey |
| Dunne off? on 13:56 - Feb 3 by BklynRanger |
If true I'd say fair enough in terms of how the club is acting.
400k is worth pushing back on at least once with Sheff Utd, and I wouldn't go beyond a 3 year deal with Jimmy.
Getting into those longer term deals has been a bad idea for quite some time for us, and we even have a new example in the shape of Madsen.
I can understand Jimmy wants more certainty, but 3 years (or even another 2 before decision time) isn't bad in modern football. Would be a shame if he walks away from that in the end. |
Completely agree. 3 years seems fair to me too.
Would guess that this is currently a game of brinkmanship, with JD's hand being strengthened somewhat by Sheffield United's interest. I wonder if he would genuinely (eventually) walk away from a 3 year deal with us when his family are settled, loved by fans, etc. Would seem strange to walk away from that if nothing else materialised, especially if security is his main motivation. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 14:16 - Feb 3 with 3056 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Dunne off? on 13:35 - Feb 3 by Hunterhoop |
I’d heard the same thing on the offer. It would end up somewhere between the two figures come end of the season.
I hadn’t heard the Dunne situation. If that is the case, I’d be interested in why we don’t move to a 4 year deal (one extra, that’s all, he’s 27, not 30 today) and have the option of a 5th on our side. Can’t be his.
If money isn’t the issue, why not agree that? We have Madsen on a 5 year deal supposedly. Centre halves at 31 are still in their prime. |
He has no resale value whether he is 30 or 31 so the club, quite rightly, tries to reduce its exposure.
Nourry works for the best interest of QPR not the players who are commodities and assets.
Would the club now go out and buy a 27yo and give him a 4 year deal + 1? Highly unlikely as too much risk.
Don't forget, Dunne has had 12 good months out of 48, that's not that good.
If he stays and signs the deal the club have put in front of him then great. If not, then we cash him in. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 14:35 - Feb 3 with 2757 views | Hunterhoop |
| Dunne off? on 14:16 - Feb 3 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
He has no resale value whether he is 30 or 31 so the club, quite rightly, tries to reduce its exposure.
Nourry works for the best interest of QPR not the players who are commodities and assets.
Would the club now go out and buy a 27yo and give him a 4 year deal + 1? Highly unlikely as too much risk.
Don't forget, Dunne has had 12 good months out of 48, that's not that good.
If he stays and signs the deal the club have put in front of him then great. If not, then we cash him in. |
Isn’t that the point? If he has no resale value at 30 or 31, what’s the difference? If that poster is correct, we offered a contract until he’s 30 (when he has no resale value) but won’t extend it a year, when he will also have no resale value.
He is still likely to be a first teamer and valuable on the pitch at 31. Cook is 33, isn’t he? We’ve had lots of defenders adding value into their 30s. So what is the exposure?
The plus 1 bit is irrelevant if on the club’s side and surely no one agrees it on the player’s side! So a 3 or 4 year deal. If that’s the only sticking point, and salary is agreed, that seems odd to die in a ditch over.
I completely agree that we if we can’t extend him we have to sell him. You can still sell them when they have extended though. [Post edited 3 Feb 14:36]
|  | | |
| Dunne off? on 14:42 - Feb 3 with 2623 views | Quite_Possibly_Ropey |
| Dunne off? on 14:35 - Feb 3 by Hunterhoop |
Isn’t that the point? If he has no resale value at 30 or 31, what’s the difference? If that poster is correct, we offered a contract until he’s 30 (when he has no resale value) but won’t extend it a year, when he will also have no resale value.
He is still likely to be a first teamer and valuable on the pitch at 31. Cook is 33, isn’t he? We’ve had lots of defenders adding value into their 30s. So what is the exposure?
The plus 1 bit is irrelevant if on the club’s side and surely no one agrees it on the player’s side! So a 3 or 4 year deal. If that’s the only sticking point, and salary is agreed, that seems odd to die in a ditch over.
I completely agree that we if we can’t extend him we have to sell him. You can still sell them when they have extended though. [Post edited 3 Feb 14:36]
|
As it is JD pushing for the 4+1 deal, then that suggests the option of the +1 year is his option, not the club's.
I wouldn't agree to that either if I was Nourry. As previous poster said, he has been playing out of his skin for past 12 months, but was decidedly average prior to that.
I also can't imagine that it is Marti's desire to continue playing a CB at RB for the long term, especially given his footballing philosophy and eventual plan on how he would like team to play/setup. | | | |
Login to get fewer ads
| Dunne off? on 14:44 - Feb 3 with 2564 views | bosh67 |
| Dunne off? on 14:42 - Feb 3 by Quite_Possibly_Ropey |
As it is JD pushing for the 4+1 deal, then that suggests the option of the +1 year is his option, not the club's.
I wouldn't agree to that either if I was Nourry. As previous poster said, he has been playing out of his skin for past 12 months, but was decidedly average prior to that.
I also can't imagine that it is Marti's desire to continue playing a CB at RB for the long term, especially given his footballing philosophy and eventual plan on how he would like team to play/setup. |
On the other hand if he signs a 4+ 1 year deal and decides to move on in the summer we would get decent money. I really hope he stays. He seems like a vital cog now in our development moving forward. |  |
| |
| Dunne off? on 14:46 - Feb 3 with 2539 views | Juzzie |
24 pages because we really like him and really don't want him to leave. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 14:47 - Feb 3 with 2507 views | CamberleyR |
| Dunne off? on 11:30 - Feb 3 by HammersmithR |
Why would Sheffield United want to sign someone who has a groin strain? You don’t really buy players who are injured. |
Errr...
 |  |
| |
| Dunne off? on 14:48 - Feb 3 with 2467 views | daveB |
| Dunne off? on 12:53 - Feb 3 by JamesB1979 |
If the club had already offered him a deal or were willing to offer him one, why would they want to delay him signing it given we had this January windows coming up. Given the extensions we’ve already had, I would be amazed that if they wanted to keep him, they wouldn’t have included him in this round of contract extensions. What were they waiting for? The only party that a delay makes sense for is Dunne. And to be clear, I don’t blame him for that. |
I'm sure there are differences on both sides which is why it hasn't been done yet which is pretty normal but I don't think there was a huge panic on either side that it needs to be done quickly. If he ends up staying I still think he'll sign before the end of the season but if the deal is anything near £2million up front the club have to take it
I've given Nourry some stick on here but have to say I'm pleased he hasn't folded and appears to be holding out for as much money as we can get here |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 14:50 - Feb 3 with 2412 views | davman |
Whatever happens, he won't be playing for us tomorrow... |  |
| |
| Dunne off? on 14:52 - Feb 3 with 2351 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Dunne off? on 13:39 - Feb 3 by eastside_r |
Out of all the scenarios put forward this to me seems the most likely. |
If that's true, the club is really shooting itself in the foot imo. He's 27 - not 30 or 32! He's committed (and wants to commit). He loves playing for QPR and tells us he does. A player like Jimmy, who's never had any pace to lose, could easily go on playing till he's 33-35 at this level, and possibly at Prem level. Considering that we gave the likes of Madsen 4 years, I think, they should give him what he wants and be grateful for his loyalty.
If he and we do well, his market value will only rise, and if he wants to move later, the club could also cash in, therefore, when he's under contract. For me, it's a no-brainer. |  |
| |
| Dunne off? on 14:56 - Feb 3 with 2283 views | dmm |
Can a player, in this case Dunne, ever have the option of a +1 year in a contract? In theory, I guess he can but it seems improbable that any employer would accept such a condition. As The Chef posted in the other thread, a player could be absolutely crap, take the option of an extra year and continue to be crap. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 14:58 - Feb 3 with 2245 views | Juzzie |
| Dunne off? on 14:52 - Feb 3 by stainrods_elbow |
If that's true, the club is really shooting itself in the foot imo. He's 27 - not 30 or 32! He's committed (and wants to commit). He loves playing for QPR and tells us he does. A player like Jimmy, who's never had any pace to lose, could easily go on playing till he's 33-35 at this level, and possibly at Prem level. Considering that we gave the likes of Madsen 4 years, I think, they should give him what he wants and be grateful for his loyalty.
If he and we do well, his market value will only rise, and if he wants to move later, the club could also cash in, therefore, when he's under contract. For me, it's a no-brainer. |
And if his form falls off a cliff or he has a long term injury and he's not the same once he gets back then no one will buy him and we have a sub-par player for the remainder of the contract.
Thing is, lots of "iffs & buts" on both sides of the argument.
It really is a delicate balancing act, one that for a very long time has been very much in favour of the player. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 15:06 - Feb 3 with 2079 views | Hunterhoop |
| Dunne off? on 14:56 - Feb 3 by dmm |
Can a player, in this case Dunne, ever have the option of a +1 year in a contract? In theory, I guess he can but it seems improbable that any employer would accept such a condition. As The Chef posted in the other thread, a player could be absolutely crap, take the option of an extra year and continue to be crap. |
Well, exactly. If a 5th year option is the players, we should absolutely say “no chance”. Who in their right mind would agree that?!
If it’s the club’s option, then this is just a debate about whether we want to extend 3 years or 4. I’d prefer 3, but, if he could walk for free in 5 months, and it would have given me leverage in negotiations in Jan, I would have just agreed 4 years before the turn of the year and been done with it. You can still sell him if the offer is right. And 30 or 31 for a defender isn’t over the hill. It’s prime career territory, or should be if they’ve learnt anything along the way. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 15:10 - Feb 3 with 1980 views | CroydonCaptJack |
I think it is standard for us to have the option but always from the club not the player. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 15:11 - Feb 3 with 1941 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
Just offer him 3 years gaurnteed and an option to 4 and beyond instead of 4 up front and options for 5
Those extra years never pay off in most cases IMO so he should be financially set either way
All this confusion will have really effected Jimmy I suspect and like a poster mentioned he probably sat out Saturday and if he stays probably tomorrow to clear his head.
A few posters mentioned Paal and our efforts to move him on this summer and that has really effected him negativly IMO
He is nowhere close to the player he was and this might be a big part of that . |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 15:22 - Feb 3 with 1757 views | LongRanger |
| Dunne off? on 14:52 - Feb 3 by stainrods_elbow |
If that's true, the club is really shooting itself in the foot imo. He's 27 - not 30 or 32! He's committed (and wants to commit). He loves playing for QPR and tells us he does. A player like Jimmy, who's never had any pace to lose, could easily go on playing till he's 33-35 at this level, and possibly at Prem level. Considering that we gave the likes of Madsen 4 years, I think, they should give him what he wants and be grateful for his loyalty.
If he and we do well, his market value will only rise, and if he wants to move later, the club could also cash in, therefore, when he's under contract. For me, it's a no-brainer. |
Agree with most of that, we believe he loves the club, but ultimately only the club know if he wants to stay and perhaps this is just about length of contract, as was suggested, but comparing to Madsen isn't a fair one, who is clearly our biggest mistake for a few years, we should compare to the renewals for Chair, Kolli, Morgan, Lloyds, but we don't know the details. Perhaps the club took a hard line on 3 years with them, if so, it won't go well if they break that for Dunne.
I just hope the club have made him their best offer possible, then its over to him, if Sheff Utd will pay enough and still want him. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 15:49 - Feb 3 with 1290 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Dunne off? on 14:58 - Feb 3 by Juzzie |
And if his form falls off a cliff or he has a long term injury and he's not the same once he gets back then no one will buy him and we have a sub-par player for the remainder of the contract.
Thing is, lots of "iffs & buts" on both sides of the argument.
It really is a delicate balancing act, one that for a very long time has been very much in favour of the player. |
Totally agree. It is all about risk management and reducing that risk to QPR.
All of our signings since Nourry came in have been young, under 24/25, so risk is reduced.
For too long, players have taken the pissh out of our club, we now have someone willing to push back.
If it is a battle of wills between Dunne and Nourry regarding contract length, then I think it is in our clubs interest that Nourry wins. And he will. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 15:57 - Feb 3 with 1147 views | Red_Ranger |
Out of interest, how much does/ will he get paid in new contact here or at SU??? | | | |
| Dunne off? on 16:09 - Feb 3 with 936 views | LazyFan |
Rumour is that we are in for Dijksteel from Boro.
Decent player and proven at this level for RB. However, while fast not the best at tackling compared to Dunne. Which is why Boro don't want him anymore.
I always thought Dijksteel would be better as a DMC because he can carry the ball, but what do I know?
Back to Dunne, I suspect QPR rejected the first bid from Wilder; then they asked how much; QPR said £X. Sheff Utd went a little lower (while also sounding out many other options as they apparently need two CBs). Then QPR said okay as long as they can get a replacement in by 11pm. Seeing as Santos is gone and Ashby cannot get in ahead of Edwards (who is not even a convertible RB), then this is probably what is going on.
People who have said why would SU do this, well, for £2m for Dunne and some loan cost with Holding, you can increase your chances of getting to the Prem, then that is worth a punt for ex-Prem side. Thats nothing to them.
But I am only guessing on everything here.
I have no way of knowing. |  |
| |
| Dunne off? on 16:23 - Feb 3 with 699 views | Red_Ranger |
| Dunne off? on 14:42 - Feb 3 by Quite_Possibly_Ropey |
As it is JD pushing for the 4+1 deal, then that suggests the option of the +1 year is his option, not the club's.
I wouldn't agree to that either if I was Nourry. As previous poster said, he has been playing out of his skin for past 12 months, but was decidedly average prior to that.
I also can't imagine that it is Marti's desire to continue playing a CB at RB for the long term, especially given his footballing philosophy and eventual plan on how he would like team to play/setup. |
Good point. | | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
