| Club announcement pending 20:58 - Jul 20 with 40188 views | KeithHaynes |
Sorry we can’t bring any more than this at the moment, but it’s only fair we place on record we are told the club are about to make an announcement. It would be wrong to speculate any further at this time.
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| Club announcement pending on 15:58 - Jul 21 with 1574 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 15:51 - Jul 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
This is the topic.
My point is that reluctantly agreeing to him wanting to leave isn’t the same as pro actively wanting him out. It’s being intentionally framed in the negative to represent something that doesn’t appear to be an accurate situation.
You said we would have let him go for negligible amount to anyone who wanted him. Which begs the question if that was the case why didn’t we just both agree to part ways at the end of the season? The answer is that it’s overwhelmingly likely that we didn’t want him to leave, especially considering he had just got us to within 90 mins of the Premier League.
According to Wales Online reports today, the club attempted to open new contract talks with him after the Final. Again you don’t do that for a manager you aren’t happy with. |
As in we don’t need analogies about divorces.
We aren’t a rich club. A negligible compensation fee is better than spending money paying him off. I’m pretty sure we did agree to part ways at the end of the season. He’s given a farewell message after the final and the club haven’t commented all summer while he’s been at Palace and Fulham.
This is the worst case scenario for both parties, but we’ve had to do it now, while it’s already too late, before it got worse. |  | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:02 - Jul 21 with 1543 views | Dr_Parnassus |
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-ne
Seems to sum it all up rather neatly:-
- “Ultimately, Cooper has had concerns for some time regarding what the future holds for the Swans”.
- “The head coach was left hugely frustrated after the club's failure to sign an out-and-out number nine in the January transfer market.”
- “Those in the corridors of power have been aware of the situation since the conclusion of the 2020/21 campaign and contingency plans have been in place for some time in the event that the seemingly inevitable would occur.”
It was all about accepting the inevitable.
Key phrase in the last article too regarding the club “attempting to open discussions” on a new contract. That suggests that was very much a one way street. |  |
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| Club announcement pending on 16:05 - Jul 21 with 1522 views | Whiterockin |
| Club announcement pending on 15:58 - Jul 21 by jack247 |
As in we don’t need analogies about divorces.
We aren’t a rich club. A negligible compensation fee is better than spending money paying him off. I’m pretty sure we did agree to part ways at the end of the season. He’s given a farewell message after the final and the club haven’t commented all summer while he’s been at Palace and Fulham.
This is the worst case scenario for both parties, but we’ve had to do it now, while it’s already too late, before it got worse. |
Who said we have paid him off, it's by mutual consent. Has he done something in breach of contract? 2 top 6 finishes he must have done something to be removed. |  | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:06 - Jul 21 with 1517 views | vetchonian |
| Club announcement pending on 15:46 - Jul 21 by AndyCole |
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No surprises the Cooperoutists are backpedalling furiously.
A massive challenge ahead for the new man to surpass the last 2 years' achievements.
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Making excuses for the new man already
Yet Cooper with a weaker squad did so much better than Potter who had Bony,Celina,Fer,Carrol,a younger Routledge and Dyer, McBurnie and Dan James at his disposal...
He was never liked as a result myths were perpetuated about him and the football bearing in mind none of had been at a game since I dont know when until the play offs and its a different gamer on tele!
Talk of being tharshed by Thomas Frank who failed to get near the play offs in his first season at Brentford yet Cooper in his first ever season of senior coaching took Swansea to the play offs...compare that to Frank who after 18 years of junior coaching took his first senior appointment in 2013 6 years before Coops and it took him 2 seasons to get to the play offs succeeding in wining them at the second attempt and in his third season so when Cooper with only 2 seasons coaching at senior level must have overachieved....but hey ho onwards and upwards | |
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| Club announcement pending on 16:07 - Jul 21 with 1509 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 15:58 - Jul 21 by jack247 |
As in we don’t need analogies about divorces.
We aren’t a rich club. A negligible compensation fee is better than spending money paying him off. I’m pretty sure we did agree to part ways at the end of the season. He’s given a farewell message after the final and the club haven’t commented all summer while he’s been at Palace and Fulham.
This is the worst case scenario for both parties, but we’ve had to do it now, while it’s already too late, before it got worse. |
We do if we aren’t understanding each other that taking a financial hit to end a contract (a marriage is a contract) doesn’t mean you want it to end.
Sometimes taking a situation away from football can make someone understand what is essentially the same principle.
We appeared to have been wanting to offer him a new contract at the end of the season. That doesn’t sound like a club just holding on in the hope of getting some “negligible” cash. The word negligible literally means “unimportant”.
We don’t know if he spoke to Fulham. Reports were they wanted him but didn’t want to pay the compensation we were asking, I have a gut feeling that was the same with Palace.
Something has clearly happened since that play off final to get things to this point, that logically looks like the prime mover to me. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 16:07 - Jul 21 with 1505 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 16:05 - Jul 21 by Whiterockin |
Who said we have paid him off, it's by mutual consent. Has he done something in breach of contract? 2 top 6 finishes he must have done something to be removed. |
I’m not suggesting he’s done anything wrong. He’s got a contract, whether he wants to honour it or not, normal practice is it gets partly paid up. I suppose it’s possible he could have agreed to go without payment. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:08 - Jul 21 with 1501 views | Ferryjack |
Tate no way they can have my season back | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:10 - Jul 21 with 1477 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Club announcement pending on 15:46 - Jul 21 by AndyCole |
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No surprises the Cooperoutists are backpedalling furiously.
A massive challenge ahead for the new man to surpass the last 2 years' achievements.
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Not a chance, glad he's gone. |  | | |
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| Club announcement pending on 16:12 - Jul 21 with 1465 views | BillyChong |
| Club announcement pending on 16:02 - Jul 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-ne
Seems to sum it all up rather neatly:-
- “Ultimately, Cooper has had concerns for some time regarding what the future holds for the Swans”.
- “The head coach was left hugely frustrated after the club's failure to sign an out-and-out number nine in the January transfer market.”
- “Those in the corridors of power have been aware of the situation since the conclusion of the 2020/21 campaign and contingency plans have been in place for some time in the event that the seemingly inevitable would occur.”
It was all about accepting the inevitable.
Key phrase in the last article too regarding the club “attempting to open discussions” on a new contract. That suggests that was very much a one way street. |
Any manager worth his salt will recognise this and give the job a miss. If we find a rookie who does a decent job we can expect the same scenario within 2 years. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:14 - Jul 21 with 1454 views | jasper_T |
| Club announcement pending on 15:55 - Jul 21 by BillyChong |
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Didn't even manage in the younger age groups. Was always just assistant & coach. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:17 - Jul 21 with 1425 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 16:07 - Jul 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
We do if we aren’t understanding each other that taking a financial hit to end a contract (a marriage is a contract) doesn’t mean you want it to end.
Sometimes taking a situation away from football can make someone understand what is essentially the same principle.
We appeared to have been wanting to offer him a new contract at the end of the season. That doesn’t sound like a club just holding on in the hope of getting some “negligible” cash. The word negligible literally means “unimportant”.
We don’t know if he spoke to Fulham. Reports were they wanted him but didn’t want to pay the compensation we were asking, I have a gut feeling that was the same with Palace.
Something has clearly happened since that play off final to get things to this point, that logically looks like the prime mover to me. |
Except you can’t force a spouse to honour a marriage. Cooper has a fixed term employment contract, which is enforceable. We’ve accepted he wants to go and as we don’t want a manager that doesn’t want to be here, have decided the best thing is for him to go. Therefore we want him gone.
At the end of last season maybe, I’m sure from the moment he made it clear he wanted out, we wouldn’t want an unhappy/apathetic/disruptive etc manager in situ.
I know what negligible means. A negligible sum is better than paying up part of his contract. We’ve taken a gamble someone would take him off our hands, like Sousa, who was heavily rumoured to be close to the sack at the time, and it’s backfired.
I’m sure if we could turn the clock back 6 weeks and part ways then, we would. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:21 - Jul 21 with 1395 views | BillyChong |
| Club announcement pending on 16:14 - Jul 21 by jasper_T |
Didn't even manage in the younger age groups. Was always just assistant & coach. |
Yeah I know, but he’s further along in that respect than Monk was. If we aren’t casting our net far as suggested above then it’s him, Toshack or maybe Rangel. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:25 - Jul 21 with 1358 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 16:17 - Jul 21 by jack247 |
Except you can’t force a spouse to honour a marriage. Cooper has a fixed term employment contract, which is enforceable. We’ve accepted he wants to go and as we don’t want a manager that doesn’t want to be here, have decided the best thing is for him to go. Therefore we want him gone.
At the end of last season maybe, I’m sure from the moment he made it clear he wanted out, we wouldn’t want an unhappy/apathetic/disruptive etc manager in situ.
I know what negligible means. A negligible sum is better than paying up part of his contract. We’ve taken a gamble someone would take him off our hands, like Sousa, who was heavily rumoured to be close to the sack at the time, and it’s backfired.
I’m sure if we could turn the clock back 6 weeks and part ways then, we would. |
Of course you can, you don’t have to give a divorce, it can be refused (and often is). But it’s mostly always best that if one party wants one that you honour their wishes and move on with your life.
Same here, Cooper wanted out. We wanted him to sign a new contact. Eventually there comes a time where there is literally zero use in making him continue his duties leading a club when everyone knows he doesn’t want to be there.
But framing that as if we pro actively wanted him out and it just so happened he wanted out too, is false. It appears we wanted him to stay and eventually agreed to his requests to be broken from his contract.
Negligible means irrelevant, so an irrelevant sum of money gained is not better than an irrelevant amount of money lost - if the upshot of that means the coming season which could potentially culminate in £120m is thrown into disarray.
If we knew what we knew now then I’m sure we would have bought ourselves more time and agreed sooner. However hindsight is 20:20 and it appears we still believed there was a chance he would sign a contact otherwise we wouldnt have attempted to open negotiations as reported this morning. [Post edited 21 Jul 2021 16:39]
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| Club announcement pending on 16:29 - Jul 21 with 1342 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Club announcement pending on 15:46 - Jul 21 by AndyCole |
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No surprises the Cooperoutists are backpedalling furiously.
A massive challenge ahead for the new man to surpass the last 2 years' achievements.
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So the new guy has to stay up basically? In the grand picture fourth place and 80 odd points means nothing if you’re not promoted. It’s funny how some paint the capitulation between mid March and the end of the season as a “success”. We blew the autos.
We start level pegging with the other 17 teams that failed to go up last season. |  |
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| Club announcement pending on 16:33 - Jul 21 with 1311 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 16:29 - Jul 21 by Brynmill_Jack |
So the new guy has to stay up basically? In the grand picture fourth place and 80 odd points means nothing if you’re not promoted. It’s funny how some paint the capitulation between mid March and the end of the season as a “success”. We blew the autos.
We start level pegging with the other 17 teams that failed to go up last season. |
Will you be wanting the new manager sacked if he doesn’t get promotion this season?
And any manager sacked who doesn’t get promoted every season after that? | |
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| Club announcement pending on 16:42 - Jul 21 with 1268 views | vetchonian |
| Club announcement pending on 16:29 - Jul 21 by Brynmill_Jack |
So the new guy has to stay up basically? In the grand picture fourth place and 80 odd points means nothing if you’re not promoted. It’s funny how some paint the capitulation between mid March and the end of the season as a “success”. We blew the autos.
We start level pegging with the other 17 teams that failed to go up last season. |
WE did not capitualte in that period...yes we lost 50% of the games 6 out of 12
2 of theose were away from home to sides relegated from the PL with much of their squads still intact.....yes we lost some silly points to teams such as Birmingham,Preston,QPR,Cadiff but derbys are always a nightmare ....we had a blip just as Brentford did earleir in the season as has been said we had no divine right to be in the autos....we always knew we were punching above our weight.....you would still have been on Cooper s back if we had finished second.....some people need to tkae the blinkered rose tinted specs off
But so what you have your way...Cooper is gone.....the new man for me has to keep us in the top half of the table anything less is a failure no matter how entertaining it proves to be...I want to see my team win ..... | |
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| Club announcement pending on 16:53 - Jul 21 with 1206 views | Headmaster |
Oh happy days! :D
He's leaving because he's "concerned about the club's direction". Yeah, I'd be concerned too if he was still manager.
We can only hope the board have good judgement on a replacement. Get someone who can demonstrate an attacking intent to win, don't just base it on a PowerPoint this time. |  | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:53 - Jul 21 with 1203 views | raynor94 |
| Club announcement pending on 16:29 - Jul 21 by Brynmill_Jack |
So the new guy has to stay up basically? In the grand picture fourth place and 80 odd points means nothing if you’re not promoted. It’s funny how some paint the capitulation between mid March and the end of the season as a “success”. We blew the autos.
We start level pegging with the other 17 teams that failed to go up last season. |
Come on Bryn, we missed the autos, because we blew up and run out of steam, and Watford came up on the rails, and finished much stronger.
But the final was an humiliating capitulation, I can't argue. |  |
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| Club announcement pending on 16:55 - Jul 21 with 1181 views | jackrmee |
Swansea City next manager odds
· Eddie Howe - 4/1
· Frank Lampard — 5/1
· Alex Neil — 8/1
· John Terry — 8/1
· Neil Lennon — 8/1
· Paul Warne — 12/1
· Gareth Ainsworth — 12/1
· Tony Pulis — 12/1
· Mark Hughes — 12/1
· Sam Allardyce — 12/1
· Roy Keane — 14/1
· Steven Gerrard — 16/1
· Alan Pardew — 16/1
(Odds courtesy of BetVictor, correct at time of publishing) |  |
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| Club announcement pending on 16:56 - Jul 21 with 1171 views | Gwyn737 |
It’s not an ideal situation or timing but to be honest, all I want from next season is to look forward to watching us playing again. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:58 - Jul 21 with 1164 views | dobjack2 |
| Club announcement pending on 15:46 - Jul 21 by AndyCole |
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No surprises the Cooperoutists are backpedalling furiously.
A massive challenge ahead for the new man to surpass the last 2 years' achievements.
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Clearly Cooper wanted to go and equally clearly Winter wanted him to go. Hence the lack of communication from either. The last few weeks appears to have been all about how much him going will cost.
Whether anyone thought cooper smelt of roses or elderberries him leaving is best for all parties. He keeps his reputation based on league positions and the club don’t have a disinterested manager. The problem for Cooper will be explaining away our abject performance in the play off final.
The new coach will not have a preseason with the players which is far from ideal. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:59 - Jul 21 with 1159 views | AndyCole |
| Club announcement pending on 16:42 - Jul 21 by vetchonian |
WE did not capitualte in that period...yes we lost 50% of the games 6 out of 12
2 of theose were away from home to sides relegated from the PL with much of their squads still intact.....yes we lost some silly points to teams such as Birmingham,Preston,QPR,Cadiff but derbys are always a nightmare ....we had a blip just as Brentford did earleir in the season as has been said we had no divine right to be in the autos....we always knew we were punching above our weight.....you would still have been on Cooper s back if we had finished second.....some people need to tkae the blinkered rose tinted specs off
But so what you have your way...Cooper is gone.....the new man for me has to keep us in the top half of the table anything less is a failure no matter how entertaining it proves to be...I want to see my team win ..... |
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The new man has to surpass Cooper's upward trajectory. Why else make the change.
It makes no sense to replace a highly successful manager, who pound for pound outperformed all-comers (the fella was only on 3k per week).
2 playoffs in succession. With The lowest paid manager. With a mid table budget. Without a proper out n out striker. Without a dynamic AM. A massive achievement.
Let's see who's been lined up by Winter who beats that performance.
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| Club announcement pending on 17:00 - Jul 21 with 1151 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 16:55 - Jul 21 by jackrmee |
Swansea City next manager odds
· Eddie Howe - 4/1
· Frank Lampard — 5/1
· Alex Neil — 8/1
· John Terry — 8/1
· Neil Lennon — 8/1
· Paul Warne — 12/1
· Gareth Ainsworth — 12/1
· Tony Pulis — 12/1
· Mark Hughes — 12/1
· Sam Allardyce — 12/1
· Roy Keane — 14/1
· Steven Gerrard — 16/1
· Alan Pardew — 16/1
(Odds courtesy of BetVictor, correct at time of publishing) |
I’ll be shocked if it’s any of those.
I’d love Howe, but very little chance. This is a bit of a poisoned chalice.
Nobody has a chance of topping last seasons finish without significant investment, not even Pep, and I mean that.
Sadly I don’t think we can afford any sort of investment let alone significant. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 17:01 - Jul 21 with 1152 views | vetchonian |
| Club announcement pending on 16:53 - Jul 21 by Headmaster |
Oh happy days! :D
He's leaving because he's "concerned about the club's direction". Yeah, I'd be concerned too if he was still manager.
We can only hope the board have good judgement on a replacement. Get someone who can demonstrate an attacking intent to win, don't just base it on a PowerPoint this time. |
ever heard that expression "you can only **** with the **** youve got"
DO you believe we were adequately equipped with enough players to be a stron out and out attacking force.....didnt Cooper keep banging on about a striker which I took as goal scorer...how many chances did Lowe miss? This whole myth its crazy...last night we were accused of passing treh ball across the back line too much....before we had too few passes and just hoofed it up apparantly
He's gone.....and I do worry about what happens next.....what if this new manager finds he lacks the players needed to play this way? HE will not get others....will you be calling for thir head too | |
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| Club announcement pending on 17:04 - Jul 21 with 1131 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Club announcement pending on 16:53 - Jul 21 by Headmaster |
Oh happy days! :D
He's leaving because he's "concerned about the club's direction". Yeah, I'd be concerned too if he was still manager.
We can only hope the board have good judgement on a replacement. Get someone who can demonstrate an attacking intent to win, don't just base it on a PowerPoint this time. |
Birch, Britton and Curtis were convinced Cooper would play thrilling acting football and would have shown them the thrilling England u17 games. He however needed Sancho, Foden, Mount and Hudson Odoi (about £300m worth of talent).
Cooper inherited Barrie McKay and Declan John!
The next appointment should be based on at least 3-4 season of progressive play in an adult league. |  |
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