| Club announcement pending 20:58 - Jul 20 with 40194 views | KeithHaynes |
Sorry we can’t bring any more than this at the moment, but it’s only fair we place on record we are told the club are about to make an announcement. It would be wrong to speculate any further at this time.
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| Club announcement pending on 14:49 - Jul 21 with 1650 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Club announcement pending on 14:43 - Jul 21 by ThurrockJack92 |
Being reported in the Telegraph as well, says higher ups have know for some time and are already some way along in finding the replacement, lets hope they are right on that one! |
I don’t think the net has been cast too widely… |  | | |
| Club announcement pending on 14:54 - Jul 21 with 1605 views | vetchonian |
| Club announcement pending on 14:49 - Jul 21 by londonlisa2001 |
I don’t think the net has been cast too widely… |
Mike Marsh you mean  | |
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| Club announcement pending on 14:57 - Jul 21 with 1581 views | raynor94 |
| Club announcement pending on 14:49 - Jul 21 by londonlisa2001 |
I don’t think the net has been cast too widely… |
Toshack it is then, hope we don't live to regret this appointment.
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| Club announcement pending on 15:00 - Jul 21 with 1545 views | Thornburyswan |
| Club announcement pending on 14:49 - Jul 21 by londonlisa2001 |
I don’t think the net has been cast too widely… |
Will Curt need to find the kettle again Lisa ;-) | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 15:01 - Jul 21 with 1536 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 14:45 - Jul 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
No player has a fixed value until someone wants to pay it. Their value is related to performance and there is no ceiling to that. Bales went from £10m to £90m in a few seasons.
Players don’t tend to have mutual terminations, it’s more the managerial route to things. Players get left out of the side and made to rot in the reserves or forced out on loan (both of which is essentially paying them not to play). Which yes, if Gylfi, Roberts, Lowe (or anyone) refused to play and made it clear they don’t want to be a part of the club, I fully believe that fate would befell them.
You conflated him wanting to leave with the club wanting him to leave. He may well have wanted out all summer, but the bone of contention was the notion that the club wanted him out. Which was and still is bizarre.
The reports clearly suggest the club tried to enter into negotiations regarding a new contract, you don’t do that if you want the manager to leave.
If there was an eventual resignation that he must go for the good of the club (as it appears has just happened) then that is nothing to do with performance and everything to do with the prospect of being forced to go through the motions with a manager not wanting to be there. Which again is what is reported.
Why he doesn’t want to be here is the next question. Logic again would say his ambitions are not met by the clubs, he did not get what he wanted in January and also financial as reported he wanted a bumper new deal (as he most probably deserved). [Post edited 21 Jul 2021 14:49]
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The fact he wanted out all summer would have been the reason the club wanted him out. I’m not suggesting they wanted him out because we didn’t get promoted. As you’ve said, apathy, doing the bare minimum, breakdown in relations etc.
It’s the reason they are paying him to leave now.
All players have values, I haven’t suggested they don’t fluctuate. Unless I’m misunderstanding, you said we’d have let Gylfi walk if he refused to go on pre season and was worth £4.5m to us. All I’ve asked is if you think that would be the case for a player worth £4.5m to us now. You don’t need to explain that a player worth £4.5m now may be worth £4m or £5m a few games later.. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 15:01 - Jul 21 with 1535 views | Whiterockin |
| Club announcement pending on 14:45 - Jul 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
No player has a fixed value until someone wants to pay it. Their value is related to performance and there is no ceiling to that. Bales went from £10m to £90m in a few seasons.
Players don’t tend to have mutual terminations, it’s more the managerial route to things. Players get left out of the side and made to rot in the reserves or forced out on loan (both of which is essentially paying them not to play). Which yes, if Gylfi, Roberts, Lowe (or anyone) refused to play and made it clear they don’t want to be a part of the club, I fully believe that fate would befell them.
You conflated him wanting to leave with the club wanting him to leave. He may well have wanted out all summer, but the bone of contention was the notion that the club wanted him out. Which was and still is bizarre.
The reports clearly suggest the club tried to enter into negotiations regarding a new contract, you don’t do that if you want the manager to leave.
If there was an eventual resignation that he must go for the good of the club (as it appears has just happened) then that is nothing to do with performance and everything to do with the prospect of being forced to go through the motions with a manager not wanting to be there. Which again is what is reported.
Why he doesn’t want to be here is the next question. Logic again would say his ambitions are not met by the clubs, he did not get what he wanted in January and also financial as reported he wanted a bumper new deal (as he most probably deserved). [Post edited 21 Jul 2021 14:49]
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You wanted him to stay because of our finishing position, I wanted him to go because of the playing style. In the end it could be that he was a pain in the backside for the club hierarchy to work with and just pushed his luck to far. |  | | |
| Club announcement pending on 15:01 - Jul 21 with 1533 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Club announcement pending on 14:57 - Jul 21 by raynor94 |
Toshack it is then, hope we don't live to regret this appointment.
The grass isn't always greener |
I’ve no idea if it is him. But I would be gobsmacked if it isn’t.
I don’t think he’s a bad pick actually. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 15:04 - Jul 21 with 1484 views | owainglyndwr |
Couple of questions
OK the football at times was not good ..
Did the board back Cooper?
I heard he had 2 strikers lined up at Christmas, but the board brought over the 2 Yanks
With the squad we have do you think someone else can do better ?
Personally I don't think we have the squad.
Would another manager bring in better loan player ?
2 we have had sold well by their parent clubs ..
Would this board back another manager ?
Hopefully
2 play offs maybe Cooper got fed up with the club's ambition |  | | |
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| Club announcement pending on 15:05 - Jul 21 with 1471 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 14:57 - Jul 21 by raynor94 |
Toshack it is then, hope we don't live to regret this appointment.
The grass isn't always greener |
He’s bound to be one of the favourites.
I don’t think we are going up with this squad whoever is in charge, I think we’d be hard pushed to get sucked into a relegation battle too.
It’s a massive assumption, but assuming we don’t go up or down, then style of play becomes more important. At least he’s got a history of playing attractive football with our U23s | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 15:07 - Jul 21 with 1437 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 15:04 - Jul 21 by owainglyndwr |
Couple of questions
OK the football at times was not good ..
Did the board back Cooper?
I heard he had 2 strikers lined up at Christmas, but the board brought over the 2 Yanks
With the squad we have do you think someone else can do better ?
Personally I don't think we have the squad.
Would another manager bring in better loan player ?
2 we have had sold well by their parent clubs ..
Would this board back another manager ?
Hopefully
2 play offs maybe Cooper got fed up with the club's ambition |
Do better? No, I don’t think so. Having said that, I doubt Cooper would have matched the last two seasons this time round either. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 15:09 - Jul 21 with 1400 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 15:01 - Jul 21 by jack247 |
The fact he wanted out all summer would have been the reason the club wanted him out. I’m not suggesting they wanted him out because we didn’t get promoted. As you’ve said, apathy, doing the bare minimum, breakdown in relations etc.
It’s the reason they are paying him to leave now.
All players have values, I haven’t suggested they don’t fluctuate. Unless I’m misunderstanding, you said we’d have let Gylfi walk if he refused to go on pre season and was worth £4.5m to us. All I’ve asked is if you think that would be the case for a player worth £4.5m to us now. You don’t need to explain that a player worth £4.5m now may be worth £4m or £5m a few games later.. |
What was suggested quite clearly is that the club wanted him out for the same reasons some fans did. Which is false.
It appears Cooper wanted out and despite the club trying to initiate contract talks with him after the play off final, they have resigned themselves to the fact it would be better to leave a manager who doesn’t want to be here go. Wanting him out and resigning yourself that you may have to grant his wish isn’t the same thing.
Regarding unhappy players - not necessarily let him walk, as I said these situations are handled differently in management staff and player staff. One is paid to not play and he has minimal impact on the rest of the squad direction, the other paid off as everything the squad does is dictated by him. But both scenarios are essentially paying them to not be part of things and yes any player who didn’t want to be here, especially one with minimal value and time left on his contract would face that fate. It’s happened many times before and will do again no doubt. [Post edited 21 Jul 2021 15:13]
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| Club announcement pending on 15:16 - Jul 21 with 1345 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 15:09 - Jul 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
What was suggested quite clearly is that the club wanted him out for the same reasons some fans did. Which is false.
It appears Cooper wanted out and despite the club trying to initiate contract talks with him after the play off final, they have resigned themselves to the fact it would be better to leave a manager who doesn’t want to be here go. Wanting him out and resigning yourself that you may have to grant his wish isn’t the same thing.
Regarding unhappy players - not necessarily let him walk, as I said these situations are handled differently in management staff and player staff. One is paid to not play and he has minimal impact on the rest of the squad direction, the other paid off as everything the squad does is dictated by him. But both scenarios are essentially paying them to not be part of things and yes any player who didn’t want to be here, especially one with minimal value and time left on his contract would face that fate. It’s happened many times before and will do again no doubt. [Post edited 21 Jul 2021 15:13]
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It doesn’t matter what the reason is. Cooper may have forced their hand, they may have changed their mind if he changed his, but they still want him out. They wouldn’t pay him off otherwise.
On the strength of the last couple of days, I’d be amazed if we asked Palace for anything other than a negligible fee, if it even got that far. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 15:17 - Jul 21 with 1326 views | vetchonian |
I see the club announcement is still pending nowt on the offiical site or any word in the media | |
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| Club announcement pending on 15:18 - Jul 21 with 1316 views | KGriz16 |
Anyone got an Athletic subscription so I can finish reading the Stuart James article? Ha! |  | | |
| Club announcement pending on 15:24 - Jul 21 with 1274 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Club announcement pending on 15:04 - Jul 21 by owainglyndwr |
Couple of questions
OK the football at times was not good ..
Did the board back Cooper?
I heard he had 2 strikers lined up at Christmas, but the board brought over the 2 Yanks
With the squad we have do you think someone else can do better ?
Personally I don't think we have the squad.
Would another manager bring in better loan player ?
2 we have had sold well by their parent clubs ..
Would this board back another manager ?
Hopefully
2 play offs maybe Cooper got fed up with the club's ambition |
One of the strikers was probably Obfemi who got clogged last minute. Having him in the bag might have seen the other go elsewhere at roughly the same time. Arriola and Morris are not the patsies they are represented as. I watched Arriola the other night he was super energetic and making darting runs over 90 minutes. I never saw such work rate by Fulton Smith or Hourahaine. Morris was a striker getting up to speed before an unlucky serious injury. ("The two Yanks" )
The clubs ambition is very clear. Use the clubs players and mould them into a tight hard working group and make the sum of the parts more than individual pieces. Garrick, Brandon Cooper, Ollie Cooper, Piroe, Whittaker, Joseph, Lati, Cabango, Benda, Rushesha Cullen. A full 11 players to be coached into a unit. That is the ambition for the club. Home grown talent. If he does not fancy the job then he should go. No more Woodman who shows his love for Swansea by signing a 3 year deal with Newcastle. The club has made clear its strategy. It is based on developing its own talent in the Swansea philosophy. [Post edited 21 Jul 2021 15:26]
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| Club announcement pending on 15:27 - Jul 21 with 1241 views | pikeypaul |
Can’t blame him leaving, who the feck would want to work for the bunch of Coonts that have only ever raped the club and invested zero of their own money.
Anyway good luck to him and hope he goes to a club that will give him some cash rather than one like ours who only ever wants to sell anything that is not bolted down. |  |
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| Club announcement pending on 15:28 - Jul 21 with 1238 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 15:16 - Jul 21 by jack247 |
It doesn’t matter what the reason is. Cooper may have forced their hand, they may have changed their mind if he changed his, but they still want him out. They wouldn’t pay him off otherwise.
On the strength of the last couple of days, I’d be amazed if we asked Palace for anything other than a negligible fee, if it even got that far. |
The reason does matter if the reason is what the discussion was about.
If your wife said she wants a divorce, by granting it and paying her half of your possessions doesn’t mean you want her out, despite “paying her to leave”. It simply means it’s pointless having someone in something they don’t want to be in. If it was up to you, you wouldn’t wish her to feel that way and continue to stay. It’s back to the whole “intentionally framing things in the negative” again.
So then having a discussion which is centred around “you wanting her out all summer” isn’t really accurate. Especially given the fact you clearly openly tried to reconcile. You have simply granted a wish and reluctantly agreed to the inevitable. Reducing the conversation to “I paid her to leave”, isn’t painting an accurate picture of the situation, quite intentionally.
I think the Palace thing was the straw that broke the camels back. I think Cooper clearly wanted to go and we were digging our heels for cash, which may well have scuppered it. Otherwise if we weren’t asking for anything then we would have mutually ended the contract at the end of the season... instead of trying to enter into negotiations with him to sign another as transpired today. [Post edited 21 Jul 2021 15:41]
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| Club announcement pending on 15:40 - Jul 21 with 1171 views | AndyCole |
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Outstanding, unrivalled scoop by Swansea Independent.
Looking forward to your next series of scoops on the Ins n Outs.........
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| Club announcement pending on 15:43 - Jul 21 with 1146 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 15:28 - Jul 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
The reason does matter if the reason is what the discussion was about.
If your wife said she wants a divorce, by granting it and paying her half of your possessions doesn’t mean you want her out, despite “paying her to leave”. It simply means it’s pointless having someone in something they don’t want to be in. If it was up to you, you wouldn’t wish her to feel that way and continue to stay. It’s back to the whole “intentionally framing things in the negative” again.
So then having a discussion which is centred around “you wanting her out all summer” isn’t really accurate. Especially given the fact you clearly openly tried to reconcile. You have simply granted a wish and reluctantly agreed to the inevitable. Reducing the conversation to “I paid her to leave”, isn’t painting an accurate picture of the situation, quite intentionally.
I think the Palace thing was the straw that broke the camels back. I think Cooper clearly wanted to go and we were digging our heels for cash, which may well have scuppered it. Otherwise if we weren’t asking for anything then we would have mutually ended the contract at the end of the season... instead of trying to enter into negotiations with him to sign another as transpired today. [Post edited 21 Jul 2021 15:41]
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Let’s keep it on topic. We aren’t discussing anything complex, we don’t need loaded, abstract analogies.
Had Cooper wanted to honour his contract, because that’s what it is, a fixed term employment contract, not a marriage, the club, in my opinion, would have been happy with that. He’s got as good a chance as anyone, despite the playing style, he’s certainly not going to get us relegated.
Once he makes it clear he wants out, the club aren’t going to want to keep him around. If the didn’t anticipate any interest from other clubs, then I’m sure it would have happened at the end of last season. Coopers ‘goodbye message’ indicates he knew he wouldn’t be staying.
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| Club announcement pending on 15:46 - Jul 21 with 1129 views | AndyCole |
| Club announcement pending on 21:34 - Jul 20 by guthrieintherain |
Well its bound to be no Guehi Woodman or Ayew.
Also likely Grimes will go.
Roberts out till October.
So it won't be a reflection on the new manager if we struggle the side will be weaker.
Cooper knows this messed it up last season with his negative lacklustre football.
Culminating in a dreadful performance at Wembley.
He has sulked all summer good riddance to the Ponty fraud |
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No surprises the Cooperoutists are backpedalling furiously.
A massive challenge ahead for the new man to surpass the last 2 years' achievements.
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| Club announcement pending on 15:50 - Jul 21 with 1099 views | owainglyndwr |
| Club announcement pending on 15:24 - Jul 21 by ReslovenSwan1 |
One of the strikers was probably Obfemi who got clogged last minute. Having him in the bag might have seen the other go elsewhere at roughly the same time. Arriola and Morris are not the patsies they are represented as. I watched Arriola the other night he was super energetic and making darting runs over 90 minutes. I never saw such work rate by Fulton Smith or Hourahaine. Morris was a striker getting up to speed before an unlucky serious injury. ("The two Yanks" )
The clubs ambition is very clear. Use the clubs players and mould them into a tight hard working group and make the sum of the parts more than individual pieces. Garrick, Brandon Cooper, Ollie Cooper, Piroe, Whittaker, Joseph, Lati, Cabango, Benda, Rushesha Cullen. A full 11 players to be coached into a unit. That is the ambition for the club. Home grown talent. If he does not fancy the job then he should go. No more Woodman who shows his love for Swansea by signing a 3 year deal with Newcastle. The club has made clear its strategy. It is based on developing its own talent in the Swansea philosophy. [Post edited 21 Jul 2021 15:26]
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But that alone will most probably see us slide down the league | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 15:51 - Jul 21 with 1092 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 15:43 - Jul 21 by jack247 |
Let’s keep it on topic. We aren’t discussing anything complex, we don’t need loaded, abstract analogies.
Had Cooper wanted to honour his contract, because that’s what it is, a fixed term employment contract, not a marriage, the club, in my opinion, would have been happy with that. He’s got as good a chance as anyone, despite the playing style, he’s certainly not going to get us relegated.
Once he makes it clear he wants out, the club aren’t going to want to keep him around. If the didn’t anticipate any interest from other clubs, then I’m sure it would have happened at the end of last season. Coopers ‘goodbye message’ indicates he knew he wouldn’t be staying.
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This is the topic.
My point is that reluctantly agreeing to him wanting to leave isn’t the same as pro actively wanting him out. It’s being intentionally framed in the negative to represent something that doesn’t appear to be an accurate situation.
You said we would have let him go for negligible amount to anyone who wanted him. Which begs the question if that was the case why didn’t we just both agree to part ways at the end of the season? The answer is that it’s overwhelmingly likely that we didn’t want him to leave, especially considering he had just got us to within 90 mins of the Premier League.
According to Wales Online reports today, the club attempted to open new contract talks with him after the Final. Again you don’t do that for a manager you aren’t happy with. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 15:51 - Jul 21 with 1094 views | Dr_Winston |
| Club announcement pending on 15:43 - Jul 21 by jack247 |
Let’s keep it on topic. We aren’t discussing anything complex, we don’t need loaded, abstract analogies.
Had Cooper wanted to honour his contract, because that’s what it is, a fixed term employment contract, not a marriage, the club, in my opinion, would have been happy with that. He’s got as good a chance as anyone, despite the playing style, he’s certainly not going to get us relegated.
Once he makes it clear he wants out, the club aren’t going to want to keep him around. If the didn’t anticipate any interest from other clubs, then I’m sure it would have happened at the end of last season. Coopers ‘goodbye message’ indicates he knew he wouldn’t be staying.
Do we know he was offered a new contract? |
It's been reported in the WM. Might be true, might be nonsense, might be something in between, like a formality designed to avoid a constructive dismissal case. |  |
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| Club announcement pending on 15:51 - Jul 21 with 1091 views | Whiterockin |
| Club announcement pending on 15:46 - Jul 21 by AndyCole |
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No surprises the Cooperoutists are backpedalling furiously.
A massive challenge ahead for the new man to surpass the last 2 years' achievements.
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No backpedaling from me I wanted him out, he's gone, I'm happy. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 15:55 - Jul 21 with 1056 views | BillyChong |
| Club announcement pending on 14:49 - Jul 21 by londonlisa2001 |
I don’t think the net has been cast too widely… |
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