| Club announcement pending 20:58 - Jul 20 with 40136 views | KeithHaynes |
Sorry we can’t bring any more than this at the moment, but it’s only fair we place on record we are told the club are about to make an announcement. It would be wrong to speculate any further at this time.
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| Club announcement pending on 15:08 - Jul 22 with 961 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 15:02 - Jul 22 by vetchonian |
I have posted my views on the "competancy" of mainly our CEO but also the majority shareholders in several posts over the last few days
As you say in your second paragraph the way it has been handled is appalling there should have been at least a plan B in case Cooper didnt get either job with the "mutual consent" deal prepared with him on gardening leave. Part of me thinks the Yanks are arrogant enough to believe that with no job to go to Cooper would stay and maybe negoiate a new deal.
It could be yes Palace and Fulham did prefer the managers they appointed maybe beacuse they didnt come with a £3M price tag? Who knows for sure only Cooper,Palace, Fulham and WInter
These discussions can keep going round in circles and for weeks on end as we all as individuals interpret the facts available with our own view of the situation dirven by biased thinking What worries me the most is why would Cooper want to walk with no job things must be really bad? |
Nail on the head with the third paragraph.
It’s what I said at the time. Preferring Marco Silva for free doesn’t mean they would prefer Marco Silva for free over Steve Cooper for free. It’s means they prefer Marco Silva for free over Steve Cooper for £3.5m.
It’s as clear as day these clubs were put off by the cash they would have to hand over for a manager with less than a year left on his contract. They aren’t mugs.
I think Winter has underestimated Cooper and assumed that when the clubs chose other managers he would then come crawling back and sign a new contract and be somewhat held over a barrel in terms of salary.
Coops has had none of it and ended it.
From the reports of the fees being demanded, the contract being offered, the timeline of when things broke down - all that suggests this is the most likely scenario. |  |
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| Club announcement pending on 15:15 - Jul 22 with 929 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 15:05 - Jul 22 by majorraglan |
Alleged wages of £200k pa, in the last year of his contract and a release fee of £4.5m - especially if they wanted him out is astounding. |
Exactly.
We were saying it at the time, someone would be mad to pay it. That’s no disrespect to Cooper but those compensation fees are Brendan Rodgers level fees, yet with so little time left on the contract. Just outrageous really.
With those in place he was never going to be able to move on. This unreasonable situation does seem to have been the catalyst for the complete breakdown of working relationship, otherwise they would have broken the contract for minimal cost all round and got this sorted long ago and not left it so late.
As a club we thought we could keep the manager that delivers so much, who we pay so little to, by demanding people buy him out, knowing it’s extremely unlikely they will.
In their minds we either get a ridiculous sum of money or a cheap manager we know can do the job extremely well. We have ended up with neither as Cooper has literally said “farrrk you, I’m off”. I don’t think they were expecting that.
No other scenario makes any logical sense or stand up to scrutiny. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 15:29 - Jul 22 with 895 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 14:57 - Jul 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
I don’t know what you mean by the first line. Your interpretation of events seems to not be based on anything other than to comply with a story you made up. It’s literally the only place it’s typed.
I just explained the compensation. The club clearly thought there was a way forward with Cooper, he is a manager that achieves far more than he should. The reason he was holding out for the compensation was for the same reason he entered the clause in the first place, because that is what he felt he was worth.
Since both clubs baulked at it, as reported everywhere... Cooper clearly has had enough and made it clear he wants out. That is when Winter has accepted and started to put things in place. They have essentially explained this to everyone.
I have very little interest in that interview for the reasons I have already explained. See Andre Ayew for details.
You clearly were not as convinced as you now claim you were, a matter of a week or two ago you were telling us that he will “clearly be here for a while and we need to get behind him”. You were not under the impression that he was quitting either way then, strange you claim to say you were now.
(Edit - some of the articles above state exactly what we were asking). [Post edited 22 Jul 2021 15:02]
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I’ll admit I didn’t think things would be so bad that he would simply walk out of a highly paid job and stick a massive black mark on his cv.
I was convinced he’d go in the summer. When I first saw that interview I thought he already had something lined up. He was favourite for both Fulham and Palace at times. My assumption that something was in the bag was wrong, my assumption he wouldn’t be here this season was correct.
When both clubs preferred the managers they appointed, I thought he’d have to swallow his pride and see his contract out.
I’m not privy to the information Winter and the Americans are obviously.
You have no interest in that video because it shows a man who, as far as he was concerned (and he was correct) had managed his last game for the club. The only thing I’ve underestimated is his desperation to leave.
Apparently though, managers who are so uncomfortable at a club they break their contracts and damage their reputation, don’t tout themselves about to other clubs. |  | | |
| Club announcement pending on 15:39 - Jul 22 with 875 views | 3swan |
Over the last couple of weeks I've seen numerous posts about no comment from either Cooper or the club. At the same time I've seen posts staying that he's on less than £200k a year and posts of clauses of £3.5m to £4.5m compensation. Is there any basis to these figures or if posted enough times they become fact. That sort of figure to buy out the remaining one year contract makes no sense at all. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 15:43 - Jul 22 with 866 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 15:39 - Jul 22 by 3swan |
Over the last couple of weeks I've seen numerous posts about no comment from either Cooper or the club. At the same time I've seen posts staying that he's on less than £200k a year and posts of clauses of £3.5m to £4.5m compensation. Is there any basis to these figures or if posted enough times they become fact. That sort of figure to buy out the remaining one year contract makes no sense at all. |
A buy out clause isn’t in relation to how long is left on the contract. It’s a fixed clause.
The buy out clause is very well known and confirmed by all the same sources that have broken all the other news. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 15:52 - Jul 22 with 848 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 15:02 - Jul 22 by vetchonian |
I have posted my views on the "competancy" of mainly our CEO but also the majority shareholders in several posts over the last few days
As you say in your second paragraph the way it has been handled is appalling there should have been at least a plan B in case Cooper didnt get either job with the "mutual consent" deal prepared with him on gardening leave. Part of me thinks the Yanks are arrogant enough to believe that with no job to go to Cooper would stay and maybe negoiate a new deal.
It could be yes Palace and Fulham did prefer the managers they appointed maybe beacuse they didnt come with a £3M price tag? Who knows for sure only Cooper,Palace, Fulham and WInter
These discussions can keep going round in circles and for weeks on end as we all as individuals interpret the facts available with our own view of the situation dirven by biased thinking What worries me the most is why would Cooper want to walk with no job things must be really bad? |
Your last paragraph is something I’ve alluded to a couple of times and it’s my biggest concern.
Second paragraph, as I’ve just said to Dr P, it was beyond obvious that he wanted out. I underestimated the lengths he would go to get out. When there were no other options, I assumed he’d stay for his final year. I wasn’t expecting him to sign a new contract, but I thought he’d at least see this one out and go somewhere with no compensation.
My worry, is that either working relations are untenable or he feels that his stock is at a high now and another year here will damage it more than walking out. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 15:52 - Jul 22 with 847 views | 3swan |
| Club announcement pending on 15:43 - Jul 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
A buy out clause isn’t in relation to how long is left on the contract. It’s a fixed clause.
The buy out clause is very well known and confirmed by all the same sources that have broken all the other news. |
Yes I know it would be a contracted figure, but I doubt that sources would I guess have seen the contract details. That, if true could be a bargaining tool but I very much doubt that the club would stick to that figure if negotiations had been under way with other clubs | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 15:53 - Jul 22 with 844 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 15:29 - Jul 22 by jack247 |
I’ll admit I didn’t think things would be so bad that he would simply walk out of a highly paid job and stick a massive black mark on his cv.
I was convinced he’d go in the summer. When I first saw that interview I thought he already had something lined up. He was favourite for both Fulham and Palace at times. My assumption that something was in the bag was wrong, my assumption he wouldn’t be here this season was correct.
When both clubs preferred the managers they appointed, I thought he’d have to swallow his pride and see his contract out.
I’m not privy to the information Winter and the Americans are obviously.
You have no interest in that video because it shows a man who, as far as he was concerned (and he was correct) had managed his last game for the club. The only thing I’ve underestimated is his desperation to leave.
Apparently though, managers who are so uncomfortable at a club they break their contracts and damage their reputation, don’t tout themselves about to other clubs. |
It’s not really a black mark though is it. He has left a position that he just equalled the record for total points amassed for the club in the division and got us back to back play off finishes. Leaving a club after 2 successful years after being denied the chance to manage bigger clubs isn’t a black mark. It’s a signal of ambition.
Indeed, so you couldn’t have been that convinced that he was going to leave regardless of having another job if 2 weeks ago you literally were staying the opposite. So if you thought that then it’s strange you don’t think Winter thought that. If he wasn’t going to get another job then he would stay, that’s a reasonable assumption.
Winter essentially had the power to grant or deny that by the price tag he was asking. According the reports he was asking full whack, essentially stopping any move from happening. The clubs preferred to choose other managers who didn’t cost anything as opposed to paying £3m or £4m for one with 10 months left on his contract.
I have no interest in that video because it is showing nothing. It didn’t even convince you, you said he was staying 2 weeks ago. I have seen countless videos of interviews with players and managers who look utterly dejected after losing big finals. That’s football.
The conclusion you are now making from that interview exists entirely in your head. There is nothing tangible to prove your theory apart from your interpretation of something completely unrelated.
Again you are doing verbal gymnastics and bending logic to suit a narrative devoid of common sense. Meaning the version you seem to have created ad hoc is more accurate than the months of reporting we have had on the situation and the comments from these people themselves.
I think you have dug yourself into a hole with the theory you wanted to paint and are finding it hard to back down. Especially now I have clearly shown the array of reports stating that we were offering him the chance to discuss a new contract, that we were asking for millions in compensation from clubs who wanted him and the fact that up until yesterday you were adamant he was staying.
You aren’t helping your own points here. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 15:56 - Jul 22 with 837 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 15:52 - Jul 22 by 3swan |
Yes I know it would be a contracted figure, but I doubt that sources would I guess have seen the contract details. That, if true could be a bargaining tool but I very much doubt that the club would stick to that figure if negotiations had been under way with other clubs |
I doubt anyone has seen Ayews 80k a week contract, but it’s fairly well known that’s what he was on. These things don’t remain secretive for very long in football.
Why do you doubt they would stick to the figure in the contract? It’s the reason they are inserted. Like we stuck to it with Joe Allen to Liverpool for £15m.
If the club wants the player/manager to stay, then they will use the figure as a deterrent. Winter has said the club wanted him to stay. Clearly Cooper wasn’t happy with that.
The story paints itself with the information we have available. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 15:57 - Jul 22 with 836 views | 3swan |
| Club announcement pending on 15:52 - Jul 22 by jack247 |
Your last paragraph is something I’ve alluded to a couple of times and it’s my biggest concern.
Second paragraph, as I’ve just said to Dr P, it was beyond obvious that he wanted out. I underestimated the lengths he would go to get out. When there were no other options, I assumed he’d stay for his final year. I wasn’t expecting him to sign a new contract, but I thought he’d at least see this one out and go somewhere with no compensation.
My worry, is that either working relations are untenable or he feels that his stock is at a high now and another year here will damage it more than walking out. |
I firmly believe the slippery slope started when Birch left. I did notice a change in Cooper from that point where comments were aimed more at the club than before | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 15:59 - Jul 22 with 826 views | 3swan |
| Club announcement pending on 15:56 - Jul 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
I doubt anyone has seen Ayews 80k a week contract, but it’s fairly well known that’s what he was on. These things don’t remain secretive for very long in football.
Why do you doubt they would stick to the figure in the contract? It’s the reason they are inserted. Like we stuck to it with Joe Allen to Liverpool for £15m.
If the club wants the player/manager to stay, then they will use the figure as a deterrent. Winter has said the club wanted him to stay. Clearly Cooper wasn’t happy with that.
The story paints itself with the information we have available. |
A story can be painted any way a PR team wants it to be. Not every comment or announcement can be taken at face value | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:00 - Jul 22 with 825 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 15:52 - Jul 22 by jack247 |
Your last paragraph is something I’ve alluded to a couple of times and it’s my biggest concern.
Second paragraph, as I’ve just said to Dr P, it was beyond obvious that he wanted out. I underestimated the lengths he would go to get out. When there were no other options, I assumed he’d stay for his final year. I wasn’t expecting him to sign a new contract, but I thought he’d at least see this one out and go somewhere with no compensation.
My worry, is that either working relations are untenable or he feels that his stock is at a high now and another year here will damage it more than walking out. |
If you felt he would see out his contract and underestimated the fact he would just quit - then it’s not unreasonable to think others also were of that opinion.
Hence the refusal to let him go for cheap. Hence the insistence people must pay the buy out. Hence the breakdown of relationship. Hence the termination. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 16:02 - Jul 22 with 811 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 15:59 - Jul 22 by 3swan |
A story can be painted any way a PR team wants it to be. Not every comment or announcement can be taken at face value |
There is absolutely no benefit or loss to not being truthful regarding that point.
Again it’s mental gymnastics to try and paint an alternate reality for no apparent reason. One that is pretty devoid of logic and goes against much of what we already know.
We wanted him to stay, he was incredibly successful for us and was on a pittance. He wanted to go.
Why is that so difficult for some people to accept? There is absolutely no reason to make things any more complicated than that. [Post edited 22 Jul 2021 16:05]
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| Club announcement pending on 16:06 - Jul 22 with 792 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Club announcement pending on 15:56 - Jul 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
I doubt anyone has seen Ayews 80k a week contract, but it’s fairly well known that’s what he was on. These things don’t remain secretive for very long in football.
Why do you doubt they would stick to the figure in the contract? It’s the reason they are inserted. Like we stuck to it with Joe Allen to Liverpool for £15m.
If the club wants the player/manager to stay, then they will use the figure as a deterrent. Winter has said the club wanted him to stay. Clearly Cooper wasn’t happy with that.
The story paints itself with the information we have available. |
“ Winter has said the club wanted him to stay.”.
Actually, I think he didn’t say that did he?
He just said something vague about entering into discussions regarding a contract extension. Which could even mean entering discussions to say there wouldn’t be a contract extension or would be one with no increases or whatever. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:09 - Jul 22 with 784 views | 3swan |
| Club announcement pending on 16:02 - Jul 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
There is absolutely no benefit or loss to not being truthful regarding that point.
Again it’s mental gymnastics to try and paint an alternate reality for no apparent reason. One that is pretty devoid of logic and goes against much of what we already know.
We wanted him to stay, he was incredibly successful for us and was on a pittance. He wanted to go.
Why is that so difficult for some people to accept? There is absolutely no reason to make things any more complicated than that. [Post edited 22 Jul 2021 16:05]
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Why the comment about it being difficult to accept. It's a personal view on information available. It can be viewed in differing ways. If the club was adamant then they could have offered an improved contract earlier. I'm trying to stay open minded and not cementing my thoughts on very little official comments | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:13 - Jul 22 with 776 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 16:06 - Jul 22 by londonlisa2001 |
“ Winter has said the club wanted him to stay.”.
Actually, I think he didn’t say that did he?
He just said something vague about entering into discussions regarding a contract extension. Which could even mean entering discussions to say there wouldn’t be a contract extension or would be one with no increases or whatever. |
“Despite efforts by the club to enter dialogue with regards to a contract extension”
Attempting to open a dialogue for a new, longer contract for Cooper is the same as the club wanting him to stay.
I can’t remember a time I have heard of a club wanting someone to go and as a result offering them a new contract to stay longer. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 16:15 - Jul 22 with 768 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Club announcement pending on 16:13 - Jul 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
“Despite efforts by the club to enter dialogue with regards to a contract extension”
Attempting to open a dialogue for a new, longer contract for Cooper is the same as the club wanting him to stay.
I can’t remember a time I have heard of a club wanting someone to go and as a result offering them a new contract to stay longer. |
It’s not the same though.
The club can’t just let the contract run out. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:17 - Jul 22 with 756 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 16:09 - Jul 22 by 3swan |
Why the comment about it being difficult to accept. It's a personal view on information available. It can be viewed in differing ways. If the club was adamant then they could have offered an improved contract earlier. I'm trying to stay open minded and not cementing my thoughts on very little official comments |
Because it is so strange that people don’t accept the obvious.
If I saw Ayew score a goal, I wouldn’t say “but was that Ayew? Could it have been someone disguised as Ayew as a ploy to not pay him an appearance fee”.
Call a spade a spade.
The bloke was on next to nothing in Championship management terms, he delivered what many have failed to for the club and improving year on year, getting to within 90mins of a 120m windfall for the club. The club have literally said they wanted to give him a longer contract.
There is no need to try and paint other scenarios which defy logic or defy the reporting over the last few months on every aspect of this saga. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 16:19 - Jul 22 with 751 views | 3swan |
| Club announcement pending on 16:13 - Jul 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
“Despite efforts by the club to enter dialogue with regards to a contract extension”
Attempting to open a dialogue for a new, longer contract for Cooper is the same as the club wanting him to stay.
I can’t remember a time I have heard of a club wanting someone to go and as a result offering them a new contract to stay longer. |
I've seen it in my working life where contract renewals have been discussed where what being offered was plainly not going to be accepted. Not everything is as it seems. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:19 - Jul 22 with 751 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 16:15 - Jul 22 by londonlisa2001 |
It’s not the same though.
The club can’t just let the contract run out. |
It is the same.
If they don’t want him to stay then they sack him or let his contract run out.
If they want to keep him they offer him a longer one.
As I said, I am yet to hear of a single example of a club that wants a manager to leave so offer him a longer contract. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 16:23 - Jul 22 with 742 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 15:53 - Jul 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s not really a black mark though is it. He has left a position that he just equalled the record for total points amassed for the club in the division and got us back to back play off finishes. Leaving a club after 2 successful years after being denied the chance to manage bigger clubs isn’t a black mark. It’s a signal of ambition.
Indeed, so you couldn’t have been that convinced that he was going to leave regardless of having another job if 2 weeks ago you literally were staying the opposite. So if you thought that then it’s strange you don’t think Winter thought that. If he wasn’t going to get another job then he would stay, that’s a reasonable assumption.
Winter essentially had the power to grant or deny that by the price tag he was asking. According the reports he was asking full whack, essentially stopping any move from happening. The clubs preferred to choose other managers who didn’t cost anything as opposed to paying £3m or £4m for one with 10 months left on his contract.
I have no interest in that video because it is showing nothing. It didn’t even convince you, you said he was staying 2 weeks ago. I have seen countless videos of interviews with players and managers who look utterly dejected after losing big finals. That’s football.
The conclusion you are now making from that interview exists entirely in your head. There is nothing tangible to prove your theory apart from your interpretation of something completely unrelated.
Again you are doing verbal gymnastics and bending logic to suit a narrative devoid of common sense. Meaning the version you seem to have created ad hoc is more accurate than the months of reporting we have had on the situation and the comments from these people themselves.
I think you have dug yourself into a hole with the theory you wanted to paint and are finding it hard to back down. Especially now I have clearly shown the array of reports stating that we were offering him the chance to discuss a new contract, that we were asking for millions in compensation from clubs who wanted him and the fact that up until yesterday you were adamant he was staying.
You aren’t helping your own points here. |
Of course it’s a black mark. Walking out on a job when you don’t have another to go to doesn’t look good to any employer. As I’ve said on another post, my worry is, he knows our budget, he knows who is likely to come in and to leave. He may feel he can’t get near the playoffs this time and that would leave a bigger black mark.
Would you not expect Winter to know the ins and outs here more than me, you or anyone on here? I thought he was going to leave, changed my mind when he had nowhere to go (I do change my opinions as circumstances dictate, I don’t feel the need to belligerently stick to them to prevent people calling me out on the internet).
It’s Winters job to know what Coopers plans are and to act accordingly.
Just as a scenario, as I think this is how you think it played out.
‘Steve, you can go to Fulham, but we’re gonna ask them for £3m’
‘But, they won’t pay that, I’ll be stuck here, you know I want out.’
‘Yeah, well they can pay up or look elsewhere.’
‘Fine, but if you price me out of this move I’m walking’
Does Winter then lower the compensation, or just agree a mutual consent a couple of weeks before the start of the season? Does he not know his manager well enough to believe him?
Comments from these people themselves? You’d have to be pretty different to watch Cooper answer those questions and not understand the message he is conveying.
You have shown an array of reports, you’ve hand picked click bait from the likes of team talk. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:23 - Jul 22 with 742 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 16:19 - Jul 22 by 3swan |
I've seen it in my working life where contract renewals have been discussed where what being offered was plainly not going to be accepted. Not everything is as it seems. |
Then feel free to paint a conspiracy theory which benefits absolutely nobody for it to have been created.
Again, he is reported to be on 3.5k a week and got us a 6th and a 4th place finish respectively. If you think it’s so crazy the club wanted him to stay that they had to create a whole conspiracy scenario surrounding it then be my guest.
But it seems awfully odd when reality is literally staring everyone in the face. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 16:25 - Jul 22 with 735 views | vetchonian |
| Club announcement pending on 15:29 - Jul 22 by jack247 |
I’ll admit I didn’t think things would be so bad that he would simply walk out of a highly paid job and stick a massive black mark on his cv.
I was convinced he’d go in the summer. When I first saw that interview I thought he already had something lined up. He was favourite for both Fulham and Palace at times. My assumption that something was in the bag was wrong, my assumption he wouldn’t be here this season was correct.
When both clubs preferred the managers they appointed, I thought he’d have to swallow his pride and see his contract out.
I’m not privy to the information Winter and the Americans are obviously.
You have no interest in that video because it shows a man who, as far as he was concerned (and he was correct) had managed his last game for the club. The only thing I’ve underestimated is his desperation to leave.
Apparently though, managers who are so uncomfortable at a club they break their contracts and damage their reputation, don’t tout themselves about to other clubs. |
Why is walking out without a job any worse than being sacked as a "black mark" on a CV..especially in football management.
IT happens in all industries where relationships break down or situations create circumstances in which individuals feel they can no longer continue and walk away, I ve seen it for myself...with those individuals picking up their careers often after a "little break"
How many other football managers have been sacked...not just once but several times but still get jobs?
Cooper can demonstrate that when he walked away he had some success....some may say he failed as we lost teh final and didnt get promoted....but over the two seasons he was here the data shows he improved our league position year on year and got us to a final.....he left as he felt he didnt get what he needed in January to ensure promotion either by cementing the second auto spot or ensuring he had a competetive enough squad to win the final.
I dont agree that by walking away Cooper has damaged his reputation anymore than as if he was sacked....but how can you tout yourself if there are not many jobs vacant .....there were possibly 4 , Palace and Fulham where the media linked him as being on those clubs radar, then there was West Brom and the U21 job...maybe perhaps he did sound them out as insurance again we dont know we can only speclate second guess and we can as I say spend hours debating events which have now passed but left us as a club in a sticky situation 16 days before the start of the new season.
No manager in place yet, or coaching/backroom team so at best they will have 15 days perhaps to get to know the squad and formulate their play.
Unsettled players who were expecting to be playing under a manager who had brought them here,players who wonder what the new manager will want of them or even want them....links broken with identifed loanees and potential loss of links with clubs who could potentisally loan us players in the future as there is no knowledge of the incoming managers pedigree at developing players.
Cooper has now joined the ever growing list of long departed Swansea managers I am grateful to him for his work over last two seasons, dissapointed he has gone but more so in the way it has been managed and the "delight " many of our fans are taking in his leaving and the spin they have created that it is due to the lack of style.
We can continue debating this ad nasueum...the issue as I keep saying is bias affects how individuals interpret the facts the only ones who really know the truth are not going to come out and tell us...for one Cooper has been paid not to! [Post edited 22 Jul 2021 16:32]
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| Club announcement pending on 16:27 - Jul 22 with 733 views | 3swan |
| Club announcement pending on 16:17 - Jul 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
Because it is so strange that people don’t accept the obvious.
If I saw Ayew score a goal, I wouldn’t say “but was that Ayew? Could it have been someone disguised as Ayew as a ploy to not pay him an appearance fee”.
Call a spade a spade.
The bloke was on next to nothing in Championship management terms, he delivered what many have failed to for the club and improving year on year, getting to within 90mins of a 120m windfall for the club. The club have literally said they wanted to give him a longer contract.
There is no need to try and paint other scenarios which defy logic or defy the reporting over the last few months on every aspect of this saga. |
Guess what. If I saw Ayew score a goal then I would say without any doubt he scored. As I've said I'm keeping an open mind as it's early days and spin can and will be put on things. You have decided on your opinion but that shouldn't refrain others from having their own opinions. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 16:31 - Jul 22 with 724 views | 3swan |
| Club announcement pending on 16:23 - Jul 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
Then feel free to paint a conspiracy theory which benefits absolutely nobody for it to have been created.
Again, he is reported to be on 3.5k a week and got us a 6th and a 4th place finish respectively. If you think it’s so crazy the club wanted him to stay that they had to create a whole conspiracy scenario surrounding it then be my guest.
But it seems awfully odd when reality is literally staring everyone in the face. |
Please don't put words in my mouth I've not said anything about a conspiracy. What I've given is example that can happen in any business hence for now keeping an open mind | | | |
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