| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread 13:04 - Jul 10 with 42724 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I think I’ve been quite lucky so far no?
Well managed England play will defeat the Italians by the odd goal.
Here’s me putting the gauntlet down:
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 14:59 - Jul 13 with 1397 views | SheffieldHoop |
I can't believe this bloke is suggesting twitter decides whether black people are allowed to say the N-word or not
Sure, banning it works for you, no problems for you if it's banned, prevents other white people using it, which always brings stick on white people. Sounds good. Blanket ban for everyone then.
Black people will not be told which words they can and cannot use by Jack Dorsey, or any other white person. I dunno how you could even come out with that. Suggests you're out of touch IMO. [Post edited 13 Jul 2021 15:00]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 15:15 - Jul 13 with 1356 views | PhilmyRs |
RE penalties, from a guy that's got the full experience of the pain of losing and being the one responsible, I wonder if that impacted his approach?
I'm a bit old school in that I always think whoever fancies one on the night should be trusted to step up. I fully agree with practicing Pens as part of that but I still think there's something in trusting a player, often one that's had a stormer of game, stepping up if he feels confident.
Reports suggest the Manager had his preferred list and that's what we went with. Could that approach have been influenced by Euro 96? Venabales looking around while Ince and others just looked down not wanting it, then asks Gareth and despite being illequipped to do it his sense of duty made him say yes? Using his approach he has the guys he wants, and it's a much harder thing for them to say NO when asked as opposed to looking at the floor and not putting your hand up in the first place.
We'll never know, but it would have been interesting to see a "whose feeling confident for a Pen"? - I still think Sancho and Rashford would of been up for it which is great to see, I just think for young Saka, he may of understandably kept his head down. [Post edited 13 Jul 2021 15:17]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 15:23 - Jul 13 with 1333 views | BazzeR |
For me it’s immaterial who missed the pens,would have much preferred to win or lose in game time. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 15:48 - Jul 13 with 1273 views | Konk |
FFS, Are you the most needlessly argumentative bloke in the world or what?! I'm not actually deciding social media policy, I haven't been campaigning for this for 18 months; I've given it two minutes thought in response to you pointing out how impossible things are to monitor/police with so much to take into account in terms of context/who's posting etc. And I'm not saying Twitter gets to say what words black people (or any people) use - I'm saying Twitter is their fu cking platform, so they have some control over what's permitted. Same as they can ban any cu nt they want. Same as Clive would be in his rights to ban any word he wanted on this forum because it's his site.
Seeing as my brainstorming suggestion was so insultingly sh it and offensive, and you're clearly Mr ITK on all matters related to race, what would you suggest? Suck it up? Black footballers come off social media? Jail people? | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 16:19 - Jul 13 with 1201 views | daveB |
It looked like he asked everyone who wanted to take one and then decided the order they were taking them in. Hard to tell but as he went to each player in the huddle they all seemed to nod and say yes I'll take one then he spoke to Steve Holland before going upto players saying your 1st, your 2nd etc
Looked like Pickford, Phillips and Grealish were the next 3 if it had gone that far but thats just me amateur lip reading | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 16:22 - Jul 13 with 1191 views | SheffieldHoop |
Ignore it. As I've said on here for months now. That's all you can do. Internet anonymity trumps anybody's right to not be offended.
All this boils down to is rich people saying "I demand the personal information of the person who called me a tw at"
It's pathetic. Millionaire footballers worried about DM's from people in India. Highly-paid Journalists worrying about some guy who lost a bet in Oman. Frontpage news. We're all supposed to care. Because someone called someone a name. From the other side of the world. On the internet. Oh and the insinuation that if the abuse doesn't stop, suicides will be the consequence. I mean, what the actual F. Highly-paid footballers, won the lottery of life, resilience at all-time lows.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attac
Read the report the government commissioned, which was attacked by the left and those involved in writing it called all sorts of nasty and disgusting things. It makes it quite clear where the majority of online abuse is coming from. Is the left interested in this new information about the problem they're apparently so eager to solve? Absolutely not. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 16:22 - Jul 13 with 1195 views | denhamhoop2 |
To Pinner as our resident ref when there is a penalty shoot out do you have to inform the ref of the 5 takers or could you change it as you go along | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 16:23 - Jul 13 with 1186 views | daveB |
I'm gonna regret getting involved here but twitter currently has a block on certain phrases. On Sunday night I saw a few Danny Baker tweets which i thought were ridiculous and in a rage replied feck off to him, as i pressed send I got a message saying this phrase can be seen as abuse are you sure you want to send this. I had a second thought and just deleted it as it was a bit daft and ultimately pointless. They could easily do the same with the N word including various spellings of it which people use to get around it. This may well be in place already but it's not something I particularly want to test | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 16:28 - Jul 13 with 1169 views | BrianMcCarthy |
"It's pathetic. Millionaire footballers worried about DM's from people in India....Oh and the insinuation that if the abuse doesn't stop, suicides will be the consequence. I mean, what the actual F. Highly-paid footballers, won the lottery of life, resilience at all-time lows."
Even if footballers were magically protected from suicide, and Justin Fashnu's life and death tell us that they're not, discriminatory abuse is just wrong. Incredibly, and viciously wrong. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 16:32 - Jul 13 with 1148 views | SheffieldHoop |
Yeah this is why young people now use completely illegible phrases like "yt pipo" to actually say "White people" and stuff like that. It's not really new. Bit like Instagram filtering messages from accounts you don't follow isn't new.
But it's still a problem because people go looking for stuff.
What next? Emoji no longer allowed to use Monkey or Banana iconography? In case it gets used in a racist way? Isn't this a bit ridiculous? [Post edited 13 Jul 2021 16:41]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 16:35 - Jul 13 with 1137 views | SheffieldHoop |
I agree
But I don't agree that you can reasonably stop it, not without seriously infringing on other peoples freedom
Justin Fashnu was all before I was born, so nothing to do with social media then. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 16:42 - Jul 13 with 1106 views | BrianMcCarthy |
But Justin Fashnu's life and death show your premise that somehow rich footballers are immune from suicide to be false. They're youngsters, facing vicious abuse, they've no idea whether the abuser lives 100 yards away or halfway around the world. Even if they did know, it's still completely wrong. And should be tackled for that very reason alone.
DaveB has just shown that certain words can be blocked, so measures can be taken.
Legislation can be brought in - trust the Legal system to enforce it fairly.
But saying that rich footballers should somehow accept vicious abuse is cold, unusual and dangerous. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 16:43 - Jul 13 with 1103 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
It’s not in the interests of Social Media to add restrictions of any kind.
They justify non intervention under the banner of the Libertarian view on free speech.
In reality, like most Libertarians, it’s because even racists provide exposure and therefore data, better informed algorithms, and therefore more advertising income.
It’s not really about fears about restrictions of freedoms it’s more about fears about restrictions of capital.
Twitter made $4 billion dollars last year. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 16:45 - Jul 13 with 1084 views | 80s_Boy |
Depression doesn't look at bank balances before it chooses its victims... | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 16:49 - Jul 13 with 1065 views | PhilmyRs |
Perhaps that was the approach so slightly different but if your Manager, in front of all your teammates asks whether you'd take a pen, you're not going to say No are you, even if you hate the idea and don't think you have it in you. Asking the group who fancies a pen and gaging responses/whose up for it is pretty old school and isn't perfect but I just get the feeling a Grealish or even the keeper would have fancied a bit of the action, Pickford particularly that night was enjoying the occassion and the more nervous players (e.g. Saka) could have taken a step back. Saka definitely shouldn't have been on the final pen.
All what ifs though. Maybe in a week or two I'll have moved on. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 16:50 - Jul 13 with 1056 views | SheffieldHoop |
And by the way, I don't usually go around claiming to be ITK on matters of race, but in the context of this message board (which I understand is mostly white blokes in their 60s) - I will.
I've lived and gone to school in the Caribbean, my Mrs is from the Caribbean, my best mate plays football internationally for Antigua.
I don't post much about QPR because, honestly, a lot of people on here know more about it and follow it more closely than I do. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 16:52 - Jul 13 with 1046 views | SheffieldHoop |
Well in that case
Whenever a thread on here pops up about Michael Gove
I expect you'll be the first the report any abuse
Obvious double standards here Brian. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 16:53 - Jul 13 with 1042 views | SheffieldHoop |
If a modern-day footballer is not in a position to get help for depression, or literally any other problem they might have, then I don't know who is. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 16:56 - Jul 13 with 1030 views | 80s_Boy |
They should be promoting free speech. Its something which every person in the World should be granted.
That free speech includes the right to express any opinion, however, and that means that those abusing black players at the moment only have to switch from sending idiotic emojis and racial insults to just saying 'I don't like x because he is black', 'I already hate x because he is black and I hate him more now' or 'I hate all black people' and you've strayed into an area which is very, very grey because they may have expressed repulsive opinions but they have stayed within the law of what can or cannot be said.
Just because there is currently a huge backlash against Social Media platforms it doesn't mean that it will tackle racism or prevent people from being exposed to it.
The problem then becomes 'what next?'. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 16:58 - Jul 13 with 1023 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Not double standards at all, Sheffield. I think you know me well enough at this stage to know I would oppose all abuse, regardless of its victim.
Incidentally, I have nothing against Michael Gove. Don't know why you think I would have. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 16:58 - Jul 13 with 1023 views | 80s_Boy |
The problem with that theory is that us men have a bit of a problem with Macho bullshit and don't always admit when there is a problem.
I had issues about 4-5 years ago and the only way my wife found out was when she collected me from the back of an ambulance after a massive panic attack brought about through stress.... | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 17:00 - Jul 13 with 1010 views | SheffieldHoop |
Can't recall you sticking up for him the last time his name was being trashed on here, but perhaps you did. Sorry if I am mistaken. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 17:00 - Jul 13 with 1011 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Hope you're ok now, 80s_Boy.
That's it from me, I'm out. Have a good evening folks. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 17:02 - Jul 13 with 997 views | 80s_Boy |
I am, thank you.
Got the help I needed and am a better person for it. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 17:04 - Jul 13 with 1848 views | SheffieldHoop |
No, I get that, I work for a mental health trust, have required counselling myself in the last couple of years, but this isn't really anything to do with Social media abuse. This is just life.
The idea that protecting footballers from monkey emojis on Twitter is gonna prevent suicides is a bit speculative at it's absolute most pumped up best. | |
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