| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread 13:04 - Jul 10 with 42981 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I think I’ve been quite lucky so far no?
Well managed England play will defeat the Italians by the odd goal.
Here’s me putting the gauntlet down:
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:15 - Jul 13 with 1276 views | SheffieldHoop |
Well, that's how I view leftists because that's what mosts leftists I know are like. Most leftists I know aren't at all into football. So the opportunity to stick the boot into England, and more specifically English football, and even more specifically than that, the tired narrative about English football yobs, is met with glee.
So accept your position as a unicorn Lefty. Accept that most of your comrades cannot stand you or I, as football fans. They cannot stand our country. And would much prefer to be European.
But this whole thing painting English football fans as racist because of a handful of tweets which by the sounds of it have mostly come from the middle east, is just out of order even by leftist standards, surely ? | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:16 - Jul 13 with 1270 views | SheffieldHoop |
This whole message board is a series of playful digs, Brian. Lighten up. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:17 - Jul 13 with 1264 views | PhilmyRs |
Without doubt, but the question is how do you react, how do you try and change things? Italy gained control, we were struggling, much like what happened in the World Cup. Grealish, Sancho, Rashford. That’s a strong 3 sitting on your bench and to not bring 1 of them on during the 90 felt a bit like the Manager was unsure how to react and didn’t have the conviction to try and wrestle the initiative back to me.
Said earlier in this thread, it always felt to me that the subs had a robotic feel to them — if we’re losing or under pressure and switch back to a 4 Trippier will come off for Saka, Rice will swap with Henderson at some point and Grealish for Mount (to try and win us the game) regardless of how players are performing or what Italy have done. Being a bit creative, thinking Italy had really pushed up their back line and were smothering us, if you do hit the long ball get one of the fastest players on the pitch sprinting beyond them to try and at least push them back, or get Grealish — a player that always demands the ball — on the pitch so the defenders have that option to pass it into him and he can naturally buy us some free kicks or carry the ball with his excellent dribbling ability. It would have given Italy something to think about at least. Instead it just seemed to play out the way Italy wanted it to go.
There's been 2 games now where we've gone in 1 up, playing well and then everything's changed second half, we just need to adapt a bit more when the inevitable onslaught takes place. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:17 - Jul 13 with 1261 views | BrianMcCarthy |
I couldn't be lighter, my man.
You sounded as if you were moaning about a bit of biteback. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:19 - Jul 13 with 1241 views | SheffieldHoop |
The difference is, racism is completely unacceptable. It's criminal.
Self-flagellation is just annoying, and not really worth deleting people over.
Come on Konk, off form today. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:19 - Jul 13 with 1241 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Good post.
I wouldn't pretend to know that answer, though, sorry - I don't know England's players well enough, being honest. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:20 - Jul 13 with 1232 views | daveB |
bit of a stretch though, I think shining a light on these things and exposing them is the right way to go. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:22 - Jul 13 with 1218 views | SheffieldHoop |
Absolutely.
When a fan invades the pitch, the TV cameras quite rightly turn away to ensure he doesn’t get the publicity he craves and to discourage others from doing the same. When a tiny number of idiots racially abuse players, we give them wall-to-wall media coverage.
Go figure. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:36 - Jul 13 with 1153 views | SheffieldHoop |
Why? What's the reasoning? What are we actually going to achieve by making people famous for doing racist stuff?
Do you just believe this because this is what Marcus Rashford's media team is doing? | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:39 - Jul 13 with 1132 views | BrianMcCarthy |
It is very hard to know, but I think that the phrase "sunlight is the best disinfectant" may be clichéd but is ultimately correct.
Apartheid, for example, would have continued - I think - only for it's continual exposure to condemnation. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:40 - Jul 13 with 1120 views | SheffieldHoop |
Try applying that line to reality TV
Or gang-related murders in London
Knife crime
Drill music
etc
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:46 - Jul 13 with 1097 views | Konk |
Well maybe you mix in more academic circles or middle class circles? There are wan kers at the football - there really are - but most people who go to games are decent/good people, as you would expect. Judging from the comments about football fans I've heard from rugby fans in London over the years, I'd say there are also lots of Telegraph readers out there who hate football fans, and view them with complete contempt too. I suspect it's more of a class thing than a left/right thing, but if you're on the left, you're probably uncomfortable saying you hate working class English people.
With regards ignoring racist social media posts - I would have thought that the more publicity there is, the more pressure there is on social media companies to act, and if necessary, the police. I can see the argument that wall-to-wall coverage every time a pub window got smashed at the football, gave firms the publicity they craved, but ultimately, in my experience, what really calmed things down, was the prospect of doing time. No-one gave a sh it when it was going to court and paying a little fine, on the rare chance you got done, but with the advent of CCTV, All-seater stadiums, a few people getting sent down, losing jobs etc, and for the first time a lot of people had to give serious thought to whether it was worth the risk. So, maybe if there were publicised repercussions, it might make people think twice before posting. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:52 - Jul 13 with 1082 views | SheffieldHoop |
Unless you're Emily Thornberry, or any of the other Labour party members who have on record openly despised white working-class English people
Agree jail time would prevent most of it. But are we really in a position as a country to start locking people up for tweeting. People get suspended sentences for pulling knives on people. Garages and houses get broken in to and nothing is done. So, priorities? | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:53 - Jul 13 with 1078 views | 80s_Boy |
Maybe I've been lucky, but I'm yet to meet anyone who casts their X in a ballot box to the party they think will most balls everything up.
The people I know cast their vote to the party which they believe has the right answers to the problems we face as a nation and to the party who they believe will allow this country to be as good as it can be.
Owen Jones, Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonald, I disagree with most of their politics but I guarantee one thing, all of them believes in their hearts that what they believe in will make the UK great.
Stephen Yaxley Lennon, Paul Joseph Watson and Katie Hopkins, I disagree passionately with most of their politics but I guarantee one thing, all of them believes in their hearts that what they believe in will make the UK great.
All this bollocks about the left-wing are unpatriotic en-masse is complete nonsense. They want the UK to be great and have their own ideas about what it will take to make it so in their eyes. People don't have to agree with them but to pretend that they are, to a person, 'unpatriotic' is nonsense. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:56 - Jul 13 with 1067 views | ozexile |
But why can't we go 4-3-3 with Rice. The experience he bought on couldn't be that great cause he wasted a sub by subbing him off? And why's the Liverpool captain not staying on for pens? I'm not trying to be divisive but surely with his experience he's a better option than a 19 year old who's never taken one. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:56 - Jul 13 with 1065 views | QPR_Jim |
What kind of person knowingly befriends people who don't support a football club, the only thing worse is befriending someone who supports Chelsea.
My father in law (to be) doesn't like football, he's a lorry driver who voted for Brexit and conservative so I'm sure he'll be confused to find out he's a leftist, whatever one of those is. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:58 - Jul 13 with 1057 views | SheffieldHoop |
Some of us have hobbies outside of QPR, sorry.
Not sure about to respond to the second part because it's come from Narnia | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:58 - Jul 13 with 1057 views | Konk |
I don't want 42 detectives tracing tweets and banging a dopey 17 year old up for a month because they posted something horrible when they were pi ssed and angry, but there must be something more that the Tech companies could be doing. This message board works brilliantly in part because of it's moderation and because of registration. And if the police are to get involved once the social media companies have done all the legwork, then I don't have a problem with a fu ck-off fine for people posting this sh it; whether they're in the UK, Dubai or Singapore. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 12:58 - Jul 13 with 1053 views | 80s_Boy |
Not sure that we should be putting people in Jail for posting words and emojis on Social Media, regardless of how much of a dickhead they are. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 13:03 - Jul 13 with 1036 views | 80s_Boy |
There was an argument being thrown around last year that requiring some form of formal identification to register a Social Media account was discrimination against those from particular backgrounds.
However, from what I've read, a significant amount of abuse aimed at the players comes from those communities so we have a vicious circle if we accept that argument. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 13:06 - Jul 13 with 1012 views | SheffieldHoop |
This message board works because it's a niche interest message board. It could quite easily not work, but the common interest of QPR, and a deep-rooted respect for Northern, I think just about keeps us from making this place a complete warzone.
Who gets to use "pissed up and angry" as a defence? 17 year olds? Or just the people engaging in rabid antisemitism? Because that's how it currently seems to work.
There's just so much to thrash out on this. It might seem simple when you only think of the law applying to you, but how for example do the police/twitter monitor black people using the N word? What about mixed race people? Does someone who has a white grandparent get to use the word, but someone with a white parent not?
Does the context in which they use it matter?
Just not realistic to police speech in this way | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 13:11 - Jul 13 with 991 views | SheffieldHoop |
Every argument about verified ID on Social media boils down to
"I Demand to know the personal information of the avatar that just tweeted calling me a arse" | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 13:12 - Jul 13 with 982 views | traininvain |
Whilst I don’t think Saka was the best option for the 5th pen, it would be remiss not to point out that Henderson was the only England player to miss a pen vs Colombia at the 2018 World Cup.
So I can see the logic behind subbing Henderson before the shoutout. The head scratcher for me is having three youngsters taking pens in succession as one miss (Rashford) and the pressure on the next two is amplified. I would have liked to see a Grealish or Sterling in between them.
But ultimately, if Rashford scores we probably go on to win the shootout and everyone praises Southgate for the subs. But obviously the opposite happened. It’s such fine margins. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 13:21 - Jul 13 with 1273 views | Konk |
All fair and interesting points. Couldn't the platform have a blanket ban on use of the N word, for instance? My point on whether it's some pis sed-up (or sober) 17 year old sending messages, is that I would be very, very reluctant to bang someone up for that. Same as I would for various other crimes that young lads get sent down for. I'm happy to fine the fu ck out of them, or just waste their time by having them report into a police station every day for a year or something. I think we've gone off on a tangent here given we're now discussing sentencing policy on the England v Italy thread! Sorry, everyone else.
On registration: Fulham had an excellent message board for years, but there was no registration (still isn't) and moderation was a bit of a best endeavours effort. Loads and loads of racist, anti-semitic, Islamophobic, and homophobic filth, because no-one ever got banned. Went from being a very funny, interesting, busy forum, to now seemingly having about 20 users max, and still has racist sh it on it from time to time. Registration would have saved it or at least made the mods job easier. | |
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