| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 12:58 - Apr 23 with 3072 views | The_DJ |
Great !
Again the question comes up why didn't money get spent to save us from relegation.
Perhaps the club didn't want League 1 football.
Season ticket renewal definately on hold now.  |  | |  |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 12:59 - Apr 23 with 3060 views | CockneyDale |
And we sold O'Grady for £300,000? Hmmmm....
Anyway, onwards.... |  | | |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 13:25 - Apr 23 with 2996 views | Albert_Whitehurst |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 12:58 - Apr 23 by The_DJ |
Great !
Again the question comes up why didn't money get spent to save us from relegation.
Perhaps the club didn't want League 1 football.
Season ticket renewal definately on hold now. |
Sky just updated their figure to factor in your season ticket... |  | | |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 13:38 - Apr 23 with 2939 views | PDIDDY |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 12:59 - Apr 23 by CockneyDale |
And we sold O'Grady for £300,000? Hmmmm....
Anyway, onwards.... |
owls well and truely robbed |  |
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| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 13:46 - Apr 23 with 2901 views | CockneyDale |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 13:38 - Apr 23 by PDIDDY |
owls well and truely robbed |
Actually, I am one of those that didn't over-rate O'Grady. I like him a lot and he did well for us while he was here, but I think he's pretty limited and enjoyed a good couple of seasons that may not be repeated. I think he and the club did well out of the deal: even if we'd kept him it wouldnt have been enough, i think.
Basically, I was making a cheap comment! | | | |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 14:58 - Apr 23 with 2756 views | StAnnesDale |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 12:58 - Apr 23 by The_DJ |
Great !
Again the question comes up why didn't money get spent to save us from relegation.
Perhaps the club didn't want League 1 football.
Season ticket renewal definately on hold now. |
I will ignore the comment about not renewing a season ticket as relegation will lose us 500,000. I would have thought this would make it even more important to renew the season ticket as the club needs the money more now.
In terms of sales, yes we could have spent £500,000 more of the money for O'Grady, Dawson etc. It may have kept us in League 1 for another season. Sooner or later we would be relegated though as trying to support League 1 football on gates of 2000 home supporters just does not add up as everyone gets the same handouts for League 1 Trying to support League 2 on gates of 2000 home supporters is hard enough. Better to do a Blackpool and ensure we can continue when inevitably relegated than spend all the money, still get relegated.and face financial oblivioon.
If our gates under Hill had gone from 2000 to 4000 as the team and club deserved given the style of football, then maybe we would have stood a better chance of competing at League 1 level.
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| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 15:02 - Apr 23 with 2743 views | pioneer |
It took several years to build but only one summer to destroy.
Any evidence we are learning from our mistakes? If we look at the marketting side the answer is no. | | | |
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| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 15:17 - Apr 23 with 2689 views | funkkk |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 15:02 - Apr 23 by pioneer |
It took several years to build but only one summer to destroy.
Any evidence we are learning from our mistakes? If we look at the marketting side the answer is no. |
Worrying thing is that the profit we've made from player sales and add ons disguises the fact our commercial/marketing department is failing miserably. Quite concerned about the position we'll be in this time next year. |  | | |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 15:40 - Apr 23 with 2652 views | The_DJ |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 14:58 - Apr 23 by StAnnesDale |
I will ignore the comment about not renewing a season ticket as relegation will lose us 500,000. I would have thought this would make it even more important to renew the season ticket as the club needs the money more now.
In terms of sales, yes we could have spent £500,000 more of the money for O'Grady, Dawson etc. It may have kept us in League 1 for another season. Sooner or later we would be relegated though as trying to support League 1 football on gates of 2000 home supporters just does not add up as everyone gets the same handouts for League 1 Trying to support League 2 on gates of 2000 home supporters is hard enough. Better to do a Blackpool and ensure we can continue when inevitably relegated than spend all the money, still get relegated.and face financial oblivioon.
If our gates under Hill had gone from 2000 to 4000 as the team and club deserved given the style of football, then maybe we would have stood a better chance of competing at League 1 level.
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Club awash with money and relegated.
A ridicilous state of affairs.
On hold means Im considering my options along with others. | | | |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 15:41 - Apr 23 with 2638 views | Doolan_Is_God |
I think perhaps we need to accept that building a successful club in a recession-ravaged town surrounded by numerous successful clubs is unlikely to happen. I'm not saying it can't happen (look at Wigan and Blackpool) but I don't think it's the way to bet.
I don't blame the Spotland commercial department and I think they've done really well on aspects they can control such as commercial sponsorship. We can all come up with ways to get financial blood out of the Rochdale stone but it seems clear there's no blood to be had. If the football we played under Hillcroft didn't pack the ground and triple our merchandise sales then a couple of billboards and some free tickets for the homeless isn't going to.
For every Wigan and Blackpool, there's a Stockport, Darlington, Portsmouth or Chester. At the end of the day we still have a club, we're still in the Football League and we can still see good honest football week in, week out. When I think about it like that, I find I don't care so much about what division we're in or what grounds we visit.
Until Sheik Abu bin Big-Bollocks turns up with his oil-stained duffel full of used fifties, we need to rely on our board to make the big decisions to ensure the club that they (and we) love continues to exist and compete and I will be supporting them 100% in that. |  | | |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 15:57 - Apr 23 with 2595 views | deeplishblue |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 15:41 - Apr 23 by Doolan_Is_God |
I think perhaps we need to accept that building a successful club in a recession-ravaged town surrounded by numerous successful clubs is unlikely to happen. I'm not saying it can't happen (look at Wigan and Blackpool) but I don't think it's the way to bet.
I don't blame the Spotland commercial department and I think they've done really well on aspects they can control such as commercial sponsorship. We can all come up with ways to get financial blood out of the Rochdale stone but it seems clear there's no blood to be had. If the football we played under Hillcroft didn't pack the ground and triple our merchandise sales then a couple of billboards and some free tickets for the homeless isn't going to.
For every Wigan and Blackpool, there's a Stockport, Darlington, Portsmouth or Chester. At the end of the day we still have a club, we're still in the Football League and we can still see good honest football week in, week out. When I think about it like that, I find I don't care so much about what division we're in or what grounds we visit.
Until Sheik Abu bin Big-Bollocks turns up with his oil-stained duffel full of used fifties, we need to rely on our board to make the big decisions to ensure the club that they (and we) love continues to exist and compete and I will be supporting them 100% in that. |
bloomin eck. at last someone who puts things into the correct perspective. |  |
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| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 16:06 - Apr 23 with 2563 views | funkkk |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 15:41 - Apr 23 by Doolan_Is_God |
I think perhaps we need to accept that building a successful club in a recession-ravaged town surrounded by numerous successful clubs is unlikely to happen. I'm not saying it can't happen (look at Wigan and Blackpool) but I don't think it's the way to bet.
I don't blame the Spotland commercial department and I think they've done really well on aspects they can control such as commercial sponsorship. We can all come up with ways to get financial blood out of the Rochdale stone but it seems clear there's no blood to be had. If the football we played under Hillcroft didn't pack the ground and triple our merchandise sales then a couple of billboards and some free tickets for the homeless isn't going to.
For every Wigan and Blackpool, there's a Stockport, Darlington, Portsmouth or Chester. At the end of the day we still have a club, we're still in the Football League and we can still see good honest football week in, week out. When I think about it like that, I find I don't care so much about what division we're in or what grounds we visit.
Until Sheik Abu bin Big-Bollocks turns up with his oil-stained duffel full of used fifties, we need to rely on our board to make the big decisions to ensure the club that they (and we) love continues to exist and compete and I will be supporting them 100% in that. |
Point is we can't rely on player sales (who will we sell this summer?) and televised cup runs.
I'd argue it is more important than ever before to get our commercial department right. It should, of course, have been a priority when we were successful but we can't change that.
It's all well and good saying at least we still have a team etc but if there's no desire to succeed and progress on and off the pitch what's the point? | | | |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 16:17 - Apr 23 with 2530 views | Doolan_Is_God |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 16:06 - Apr 23 by funkkk |
Point is we can't rely on player sales (who will we sell this summer?) and televised cup runs.
I'd argue it is more important than ever before to get our commercial department right. It should, of course, have been a priority when we were successful but we can't change that.
It's all well and good saying at least we still have a team etc but if there's no desire to succeed and progress on and off the pitch what's the point? |
I work in IT and I have the desire to be CIO of a big multinational one day. Those kind of jobs come about through experience, preparation and (perhaps above all else) opportunity. My career is about laying the foundations, learning the business and being ready when the opportunity comes.
If we have no ambition we will never succeed, that's 100% true. But it's equally true that if we go out of business we'll never succeed either. Sometimes it's about staying in the game long enough. I think we were *nearly* there under Hillcroft but there simply wasn't enough money and/or enthusiasm in the Rochdale community and economy to support the club through the transition from League 2 also-rans to League 1 contenders. We could so easily have spent big and lost everything and I'm thankful we didn't.
Maybe in a few years we'll see other local clubs going bust or we'll see some investment in the town that'll bring new businesses, new sponsors and most importantly new money into the local economy. In order to take advantage of something like that, the club needs to still be here! Even if we never again hit the dizzying heights of League One then Dale are still a valuable local employer and a source of inspiration and aspiration for local lads who dream of playing professional football. The club does great work in the local community as well. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 17:07 - Apr 23 with 2438 views | ColDale |
I think we've a tad unlucky with our player sales. Our golden crop of players has coincided with FL teams tightening their belts, and whilst previously we might have had a whole host of teams bidding for our players, there's hardly been a bidding war.
That said, the last few years has proved that investment in players has brought a return. Of all the big money sales, I think I'm right in saying they all arrived at Spotland via a cash transfer rather than a free transfer - Alfie, Holt, Lambert, Dawson, Murray, Perkins and O'Grady were all bought to Spotland.
But it also highlights the importance of good management, and a long term plan. The ability to recognise potential, and to improve players was one of the key feature so of the Hillcroft era. Fortunately, Coleman's record at Accy suggests he shares that ability.
However, to get things spot on, we can offer no complacency on or off the pitch, and given that we don't have a board in it for financial reasons, it's safe to assume that every penny raised off the field goes towards the playing budget or ensuring that we don't find ourselves in financial dire straits in offering a competitive budget. The failure to advertise any club shop product either in TVOS or the OS suggests either we don't need the money or such complacency exists. The better we are run off the field, the more likely we will be to compete on the pitch. |  | | |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 17:20 - Apr 23 with 2406 views | Albert_Whitehurst |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 17:07 - Apr 23 by ColDale |
I think we've a tad unlucky with our player sales. Our golden crop of players has coincided with FL teams tightening their belts, and whilst previously we might have had a whole host of teams bidding for our players, there's hardly been a bidding war.
That said, the last few years has proved that investment in players has brought a return. Of all the big money sales, I think I'm right in saying they all arrived at Spotland via a cash transfer rather than a free transfer - Alfie, Holt, Lambert, Dawson, Murray, Perkins and O'Grady were all bought to Spotland.
But it also highlights the importance of good management, and a long term plan. The ability to recognise potential, and to improve players was one of the key feature so of the Hillcroft era. Fortunately, Coleman's record at Accy suggests he shares that ability.
However, to get things spot on, we can offer no complacency on or off the pitch, and given that we don't have a board in it for financial reasons, it's safe to assume that every penny raised off the field goes towards the playing budget or ensuring that we don't find ourselves in financial dire straits in offering a competitive budget. The failure to advertise any club shop product either in TVOS or the OS suggests either we don't need the money or such complacency exists. The better we are run off the field, the more likely we will be to compete on the pitch. |
Woah woah woah......we have a club shop..? | | | |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 18:02 - Apr 23 with 2328 views | YouTubeDale |
£400k less from the FL for being in a lower division, and at least £150k down on lower gate receipts. This is why I would have kept COG. We didn't have to sell him.
CD says he is rebuilding off the pitch as well. I get the feeling he is going to bite the bullet, after the Think Tank initiative, and employ a marketing professional. It has to be done, and as I said before, I firmly believe that the marginal revenue will more than pay for the additional marketing costs. It's a no-brainer.
The timing wasn't right to throw money at the club when we had an inexperienced manager in Errr and then Beech. Errr could have blown the lot - on who??? By the time JC came in, much of the season was over and we were playing catch-up. Much better to spend in a "controlled" budgeted manner with JC having put a lot of thought into it. And more crucially, JC having a FULL season to work his magic.
In hindsight, CD took his eye off the ball and made the biggest gamble of his life taking on Errr. He thought he was on a winning streak and couldn't lose. Now, he has got a much safer pair of hands in JC who has a proper track record. And it is that track record provides much of the foundation for our future.
Given a marketing boost, money to spend, the right manager in place who has already got his feet under the table, this club IS more than ready for the fight out of the Rochdale Division. |  |
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| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 18:18 - Apr 23 with 2284 views | TalkingSutty |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 18:02 - Apr 23 by YouTubeDale |
£400k less from the FL for being in a lower division, and at least £150k down on lower gate receipts. This is why I would have kept COG. We didn't have to sell him.
CD says he is rebuilding off the pitch as well. I get the feeling he is going to bite the bullet, after the Think Tank initiative, and employ a marketing professional. It has to be done, and as I said before, I firmly believe that the marginal revenue will more than pay for the additional marketing costs. It's a no-brainer.
The timing wasn't right to throw money at the club when we had an inexperienced manager in Errr and then Beech. Errr could have blown the lot - on who??? By the time JC came in, much of the season was over and we were playing catch-up. Much better to spend in a "controlled" budgeted manner with JC having put a lot of thought into it. And more crucially, JC having a FULL season to work his magic.
In hindsight, CD took his eye off the ball and made the biggest gamble of his life taking on Errr. He thought he was on a winning streak and couldn't lose. Now, he has got a much safer pair of hands in JC who has a proper track record. And it is that track record provides much of the foundation for our future.
Given a marketing boost, money to spend, the right manager in place who has already got his feet under the table, this club IS more than ready for the fight out of the Rochdale Division. |
Not a bad post but can you please explain something to me because i am obviously missing something .
COG lives in Sheffield, he has a opportunity to play for a very big club in Sheffield Wednesday who will instantly pay him enough money to make him comfortable for life, trebbling his wages. He can play in front of 20,000 fans every week and decides he wants to leave. Lets face it anybody in their right mind would have their head turned.
So Dunphy offers him the highest wages ever offered to one of our players and even that is way behind the Owls offer, COG obviously still decides he wants to leave. So what should the Chairman do then ? force him to stay and have a unhappy player at the club whose form will probably drop off as a result and risk losing a healthy transfer fee ? We had no option but to sell him, can you not see that ?
Once a player wants to leave the club whats the point in forcing him to stay. To blame the Chairman is way off the mark. |  | | |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 18:43 - Apr 23 with 2242 views | isitme |
Once a player wants to leave it is very difficult to keep them. O'Grady would have left on a free at the end of the season and we still would have probably been relegated. Keeping him would not have addressed our defensive weaknesses or 'management issues'. It wasn't as if O'Grady was prolific last season when he was playing in a better team.
Due to our low crowds we have to take any fairly good offers for our players, especially if they are in the last year of their contract. No-one should blame the chairman for this. I suspect a decent offer for Kennedy may well see him leave in the summer. |  | | |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 19:37 - Apr 23 with 2158 views | 49thseason |
"Errr could have blown the lot - on who??? "
If Dunphy didn't trust Eyre to spend money in an attempt to replace Dawson and O'Grady, why did he appoint him in the first place? By not buying adequate replacements we (and Eyre) were doomed from the 2nd game of the season. I can't imagine Eyre didn't at least ask if there was some money to spend so the only conclusion is that money was withheld and the result of that decision is plain to see.
The admission now that the squad hasn't been good enough all season simply reinforces the view that a couple of sensible investments in a centre half and a centre forward back in September would have been enough to keep us up.
Sadly, it seems the board didn't have the collective stones to spend a couple of hundred thousand and will now lose £500K instead.
The conspiracy theorist in me wonders why Beech was put in charge during the transfer window thus denying both Eyre and Coleman(bar 2 or 3 days) the opportunity to spend money.
Apparently KH was satisfied with the transfer budget he was offered prior to his departure so where has that money gone ? Surely not on loan player wages?
As for losing £500K from being relegated - maybe this is canny management trying to give the impression we are a bit skint and can't / won't pay over the odds for players Coleman his minded to bring in?
All in all a complete dogs breakfast of a season hopefully not to be repeated.
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| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 19:52 - Apr 23 with 2125 views | isitme |
Supposedly Hill had McNulty, Perkins and Davies lined up to sign for us as well as a good keeper before he jumped ship to Barnsley. Add in Wiseman and Done and you have players who would have added to our squad this season.
Eyre was appointed after many of the better free agents had found new clubs and inherited a squad which was light on numbers and quality in key areas after departures of key players. His signings we poor and he had no prior knowledge of what the players in the squad could really offer. We were always playing catch up with a string of loan signings that didn't add to the squad and players such as Twaddle and Trotman that we, in hindsight poor signings. At times some of the loan signings were down to desperation. I think I am right in saying that Barnes-Homer was the tenth striker that was approached to come in on loan, at a time when we needed a body to sit on the bench.
For next season I hope that the board have learned that we need a squad assembled early in pre-season, especially in light of the anticipated exodus at the end of the season. We need to focus on quality over quantity with the spine of the team being players contracted to Rochdale, not a revolving door of loanees. Loan signings, apart form the odd player on a season long loan should only be used to cover for injuries, suspensions or in the unlikely situation where a quality player becomes available who would really add to the team. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 19:55 - Apr 23 with 2119 views | TalkingSutty |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 19:52 - Apr 23 by isitme |
Supposedly Hill had McNulty, Perkins and Davies lined up to sign for us as well as a good keeper before he jumped ship to Barnsley. Add in Wiseman and Done and you have players who would have added to our squad this season.
Eyre was appointed after many of the better free agents had found new clubs and inherited a squad which was light on numbers and quality in key areas after departures of key players. His signings we poor and he had no prior knowledge of what the players in the squad could really offer. We were always playing catch up with a string of loan signings that didn't add to the squad and players such as Twaddle and Trotman that we, in hindsight poor signings. At times some of the loan signings were down to desperation. I think I am right in saying that Barnes-Homer was the tenth striker that was approached to come in on loan, at a time when we needed a body to sit on the bench.
For next season I hope that the board have learned that we need a squad assembled early in pre-season, especially in light of the anticipated exodus at the end of the season. We need to focus on quality over quantity with the spine of the team being players contracted to Rochdale, not a revolving door of loanees. Loan signings, apart form the odd player on a season long loan should only be used to cover for injuries, suspensions or in the unlikely situation where a quality player becomes available who would really add to the team. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 20:41 - Apr 23 with 2010 views | TVOS1907 |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 15:40 - Apr 23 by The_DJ |
Club awash with money and relegated.
A ridicilous state of affairs.
On hold means Im considering my options along with others. |
I'll bet you £1 of roccy's money you'll be there next season.
And I wouldn't say we are a club awash with money, relatively speaking.
But we've had this discussion before. |  |
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| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 21:01 - Apr 23 with 1963 views | TVOS1907 |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 19:37 - Apr 23 by 49thseason |
"Errr could have blown the lot - on who??? "
If Dunphy didn't trust Eyre to spend money in an attempt to replace Dawson and O'Grady, why did he appoint him in the first place? By not buying adequate replacements we (and Eyre) were doomed from the 2nd game of the season. I can't imagine Eyre didn't at least ask if there was some money to spend so the only conclusion is that money was withheld and the result of that decision is plain to see.
The admission now that the squad hasn't been good enough all season simply reinforces the view that a couple of sensible investments in a centre half and a centre forward back in September would have been enough to keep us up.
Sadly, it seems the board didn't have the collective stones to spend a couple of hundred thousand and will now lose £500K instead.
The conspiracy theorist in me wonders why Beech was put in charge during the transfer window thus denying both Eyre and Coleman(bar 2 or 3 days) the opportunity to spend money.
Apparently KH was satisfied with the transfer budget he was offered prior to his departure so where has that money gone ? Surely not on loan player wages?
As for losing £500K from being relegated - maybe this is canny management trying to give the impression we are a bit skint and can't / won't pay over the odds for players Coleman his minded to bring in?
All in all a complete dogs breakfast of a season hopefully not to be repeated.
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Eyre reportedly tried to spend money on the likes of Shefki Kuqi and Shaun Harrad to name but two.
Both players chose to go elsewhere.
It was rumoured Coleman wanted to bring in Jon Parkin, but he chose to go elsewhere.
Dale simply struggle to compete with other clubs when it comes to wages/lengths of contract, whether we are 'awash with money' or not.
The money was made available, but it wasn't enough to outbid other clubs who were able to offer more money or who had no qualms about offering more money. | |
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| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 21:08 - Apr 23 with 1945 views | 442Dale |
| Relegation to cost Dale £500,000 on 21:01 - Apr 23 by TVOS1907 |
Eyre reportedly tried to spend money on the likes of Shefki Kuqi and Shaun Harrad to name but two.
Both players chose to go elsewhere.
It was rumoured Coleman wanted to bring in Jon Parkin, but he chose to go elsewhere.
Dale simply struggle to compete with other clubs when it comes to wages/lengths of contract, whether we are 'awash with money' or not.
The money was made available, but it wasn't enough to outbid other clubs who were able to offer more money or who had no qualms about offering more money. |
Kuqi would have been a terrible signing in hindsight. Not only has his form dipped badly at Oldham, Eyre would have used him as a lone striker - a position he can't play anymore. At least Oldham got something out of him in a front two.
He might have done a job on the wing though.... |  |
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