| Clydach murders on 23:52 - Oct 24 with 1665 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 23:51 - Oct 24 by exhmrc1 |
The first sentence is copied from your post look back |
I never mention martial arts. |  |
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| Clydach murders on 23:53 - Oct 24 with 1663 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 23:36 - Oct 24 by trampie |
Yes I found that strange as well regarding Morris, also strange that the policeman couldn't account for his whereabouts for a few hours either if I remember right, out of interest where was Mandy and the children that evening. |
Mandy had been baby sitting for her cousin Steve I believe. |  | | |
| Clydach murders on 23:59 - Oct 24 with 1641 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 23:53 - Oct 24 by exhmrc1 |
Mandy had been baby sitting for her cousin Steve I believe. |
Where were her children ? | |
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| Clydach murders on 23:59 - Oct 24 with 1640 views | Jack11 |
Defence for Morris centres on a timeline of leaving the pub at 11.30, taking 15 mins to walk to kelvin rd, only giving him 3 minutes before Mandy and the girls returned.
Well, what if he left the pub at 11.24? Point being, I know of nothing formal evidence wise that definitely has him leaving that pub at 11.30. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 00:00 - Oct 25 with 1638 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 23:32 - Oct 24 by exhmrc1 |
So he put his pint down walked miles went to a house (no key, no break-in) and slaughtered a random family he barely knew.
The miles wasnt made up. The pub to Mandy's house is 1/2 a mile. No key. Again you dont know that. You assume that. The 2 girls had been extremely close friends for donkeys years long before he was on the scene. You dont know whether his girlfriend had a key to her close friends house and he had got hold of it. Slaughtering a family he barely knew. Again that is your assumption. The probability is that isnt true either. He certainly knew Mandy and probably the kids and maybe the mother.
Whoever killed Mandy and the courts have decided it was Morris probably needed to kill the others as they knew the killer so could say who the killer was. |
Who did he kill first then ? | |
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| Clydach murders on 00:08 - Oct 25 with 1624 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 23:47 - Oct 24 by Jack11 |
People talk about the killer knowing the house well. It’s a 3 bed semi for Christ’s sake, not Buckingham palace. Also, changing fuses, big red herring there. Would have been a trip-switch which takes seconds. |
Don't they reckon a chair was taken from upstairs with a TV on it taken downstairs and then used to stand on to reach the fuse box ? | |
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| Clydach murders on 00:09 - Oct 25 with 1620 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 23:51 - Oct 24 by trampie |
You don't know his girlfriend friend had a key to Mandy's house and he took it or stole it.
You don't know he knew Mandy's children, you don't know he knew the grandmother of the children.
You are making assumptions. |
Michael Power was brought up around the corner from where Morris was living. His kids went to Craig Cefn Parc school and his exs friend lived around the corner. Morris definitely knew the kids. Do you realise how small and close knit a community it is. The 2 Mandy's have been close since school days. Your right I dont know whether she had a key but neither do you and you made out there was no key. Yet another assumption that you make that Morris didnt know the family. He has admitted to being in the house downstairs. Why would he have been in Mandy's house and not be known to the kids. He would definitely have known Mandy and the kids and I suspect Doris did as well before she became housebound. Some of the assumptIons you are making are totally wrong. The juries rejected them and they now far more than you or I. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 00:14 - Oct 25 with 2072 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 00:09 - Oct 25 by exhmrc1 |
Michael Power was brought up around the corner from where Morris was living. His kids went to Craig Cefn Parc school and his exs friend lived around the corner. Morris definitely knew the kids. Do you realise how small and close knit a community it is. The 2 Mandy's have been close since school days. Your right I dont know whether she had a key but neither do you and you made out there was no key. Yet another assumption that you make that Morris didnt know the family. He has admitted to being in the house downstairs. Why would he have been in Mandy's house and not be known to the kids. He would definitely have known Mandy and the kids and I suspect Doris did as well before she became housebound. Some of the assumptIons you are making are totally wrong. The juries rejected them and they now far more than you or I. |
Was Mandy having a affair with Morris ? | |
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| Clydach murders on 00:15 - Oct 25 with 2069 views | Jack11 |
| Clydach murders on 00:08 - Oct 25 by trampie |
Don't they reckon a chair was taken from upstairs with a TV on it taken downstairs and then used to stand on to reach the fuse box ? |
Yeah and the trip switch is in the fuse box. It’s the same place but 2 very different processes. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 00:19 - Oct 25 with 2062 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 00:15 - Oct 25 by Jack11 |
Yeah and the trip switch is in the fuse box. It’s the same place but 2 very different processes. |
Yes I know that, but the person still had to get a chair and TV from upstairs and take it downstairs and stand on it to flick the switch when according to probable timelines they had very little time to do it. | |
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| Clydach murders on 00:22 - Oct 25 with 2053 views | Jack11 |
| Clydach murders on 00:19 - Oct 25 by trampie |
Yes I know that, but the person still had to get a chair and TV from upstairs and take it downstairs and stand on it to flick the switch when according to probable timelines they had very little time to do it. |
Key point you’ve made is probable timelines. As I said, what if he left the pub at 11.24, not 11.30. I’ve seen nothing to say it was 100% 11.30 he left that pub. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 00:27 - Oct 25 with 2037 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 00:22 - Oct 25 by Jack11 |
Key point you’ve made is probable timelines. As I said, what if he left the pub at 11.24, not 11.30. I’ve seen nothing to say it was 100% 11.30 he left that pub. |
Same with me I've seen nothing either, I don't know how they know, but whatever info they have they seem certain. | |
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| Clydach murders on 00:27 - Oct 25 with 2037 views | Garyjack |
| Clydach murders on 00:19 - Oct 25 by trampie |
Yes I know that, but the person still had to get a chair and TV from upstairs and take it downstairs and stand on it to flick the switch when according to probable timelines they had very little time to do it. |
Why would he have very little time to do it? |  | | |
| Clydach murders on 00:31 - Oct 25 with 2003 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 00:14 - Oct 25 by trampie |
Was Mandy having a affair with Morris ? |
Not according to her family. Read her sisters statement. She was petrified of him. He only brought this up after finding the police had evidence the chain was his his which he had denied all along. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 00:32 - Oct 25 with 1999 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 00:27 - Oct 25 by Garyjack |
Why would he have very little time to do it? |
The time he left the pub, the time it takes to walk, the time it took to kill the granny (experts say she was killed first, but crucially this was not majored on in court) then the sorting of the lights out would according to what they say make it unlikely he would have had time to do that before the rest of the family came home and was killed.
That was part of the Auntie programme the other night. | |
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| Clydach murders on 00:36 - Oct 25 with 1993 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 00:31 - Oct 25 by exhmrc1 |
Not according to her family. Read her sisters statement. She was petrified of him. He only brought this up after finding the police had evidence the chain was his his which he had denied all along. |
Yes and that might make it harder to believe he killed her, if he was not having an affair with her.
No motive to kill, not knowing the upstairs etc | |
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| Clydach murders on 00:36 - Oct 25 with 1993 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 00:27 - Oct 25 by trampie |
Same with me I've seen nothing either, I don't know how they know, but whatever info they have they seem certain. |
They said approximately 11.30 that could be out. How long it takes one person to walk is different to another. His girlfriend reckons he was home at that time but he reckons he walked along a road with no pavement away from the general direction people would be going that time of night. Nobody sees him. Nobody saw him without the chain on the Saturday but people did on the Sunday. Yet according to him it was left there on the Friday when he had sex after years of denying it was his chain and getting someone to buy another one for him. At the time he was supposedly having sex with Mandy there is evidence he was making a phone call from his house to his girlfriend. This was brought up well after the whole family had been buried. [Post edited 25 Oct 2020 0:40]
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| Clydach murders on 00:36 - Oct 25 with 1993 views | Garyjack |
| Clydach murders on 00:32 - Oct 25 by trampie |
The time he left the pub, the time it takes to walk, the time it took to kill the granny (experts say she was killed first, but crucially this was not majored on in court) then the sorting of the lights out would according to what they say make it unlikely he would have had time to do that before the rest of the family came home and was killed.
That was part of the Auntie programme the other night. |
I know, so why have you asked the stupid question earlier about 'who was killed first' when it's quite bloody obvious isn't it! | | | |
| Clydach murders on 00:39 - Oct 25 with 1981 views | Jack11 |
I just think that whole angle is wrong. I know you’re just reiterating what was on the programme trampie so it’s not a pop at you whatsoever.
Let’s say the killer did get there before Mandy and the girls. No forced entry. Door unlocked? Doubt it.
Mrs Dawson not very mobile, was definitely in bed when killed. Did she let the killer in? Not in my opinion. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 00:39 - Oct 25 with 1979 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 00:36 - Oct 25 by Garyjack |
I know, so why have you asked the stupid question earlier about 'who was killed first' when it's quite bloody obvious isn't it! |
We will ask exhmrc1 who was killed first ? shall we and did the court know who was killed first ?
Over to you exhmrc1. | |
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| Clydach murders on 00:40 - Oct 25 with 1970 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 00:39 - Oct 25 by Jack11 |
I just think that whole angle is wrong. I know you’re just reiterating what was on the programme trampie so it’s not a pop at you whatsoever.
Let’s say the killer did get there before Mandy and the girls. No forced entry. Door unlocked? Doubt it.
Mrs Dawson not very mobile, was definitely in bed when killed. Did she let the killer in? Not in my opinion. |
I think the same. | |
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| Clydach murders on 00:43 - Oct 25 with 1957 views | Garyjack |
| Clydach murders on 00:39 - Oct 25 by trampie |
We will ask exhmrc1 who was killed first ? shall we and did the court know who was killed first ?
Over to you exhmrc1. |
No need, i've already told you. How the hell was the light bulb in the Grandmothers bedroom smashed tripping the lights? Go on, off you go............. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 00:45 - Oct 25 with 1951 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 00:39 - Oct 25 by trampie |
We will ask exhmrc1 who was killed first ? shall we and did the court know who was killed first ?
Over to you exhmrc1. |
I dont honestly know but the experts believe Doris was killed first. This I believe was brought up in court but as with many things the exact detail of what came up in court the jury will know not us.
Whoever was killed first doesnt really matter anyway. The defence decided not to question it so it isnt new evidence. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 00:46 - Oct 25 with 1947 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 00:43 - Oct 25 by Garyjack |
No need, i've already told you. How the hell was the light bulb in the Grandmothers bedroom smashed tripping the lights? Go on, off you go............. |
By the pole they think. | |
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| Clydach murders on 00:47 - Oct 25 with 1940 views | Jack11 |
| Clydach murders on 00:46 - Oct 25 by trampie |
By the pole they think. |
That’s one for the Brexit thread. | | | |
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