| Clydach murders on 09:05 - Oct 24 with 1743 views | trampie |
I would be interested to see a link to what Roberts thoughts were, have you got one exhmrc1 ? |  |
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| Clydach murders on 09:08 - Oct 24 with 1737 views | theloneranger |
If some people believe that the SWP are protecting their own ...
Then WHY did the Lewis brothers with their then solicitor David Hutchinson ( also would become the solicitor to Morris) make formal complaints against 18 police officers of all ranks from constable to Detective Superintendent. They also made a complaint against the Chief Constable of South Wales!!
These complaints included perjury, attempting to pervert the course of justice, wrongful arrest, disclosure of confidential information, inappropriate disclosure of sensitive information, etc.
This doesn't seem a very sensible action to take if you know that the SWP are in your corner and protecting you!! |  |
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| Clydach murders on 09:26 - Oct 24 with 1727 views | trampie |
As regards others exhmrc1, wasn't there DNA of a known person on Mandy (yet she washed religiously) ?
Were there others that had sports strength, fitness and aggression in the frame, who was capable of handling a stick or bar ? and rain down blow after blow onto 4 victims and not miss once, apparently not one hit on wall, floor, furniture etc (only light bulb) everyone hit its target, what 50 out of 50, 100 out of 100 hits, do you think a person on drink and drugs could do that ?
Was there someone else the bloody handprint matched better than Morris ?
Was there someone else that was a forensic expert ?
Was there someone else that had severe mental torment after the murders ?
Was there others with a motive to kill Mandy ?, I wouldn't even say Morris had a motive but was that the case for others.
How do the explain the behaviour of some of the police, not securing the scene, barely passing on on a shift change, can't remember what they did for a few hours, lost log book/failed to make notes ?
Like I said if they had put someone else on trial first they may have been done for the same crime Morris was, from what I've heard there might be more evidence against others than there was against Morris.
Like I've said Morris might have done it, he might not have done but guilty beyond reasonable doubt is a surprising outcome to a lot of people with no witnesses and little forensic evidence, the last person I spoke to about the case thought that if he did do it then the jury got the right result in error. [Post edited 24 Oct 2020 9:45]
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| Clydach murders on 09:30 - Oct 24 with 1718 views | trampie |
Oh exhmrc1 was there unknown DNA on the murder weapon and on the spent matches that was not Morris DNA ? | |
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| Clydach murders on 09:32 - Oct 24 with 1715 views | trampie |
They seem to be looking for one person but could there have been more than one person involved, I wouldn't be surprised if it was more than one, weren't some of the bodies moved around. | |
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| Clydach murders on 09:36 - Oct 24 with 1709 views | trampie |
What about the photofit that a witness seen in the area, I didn't look like Morris but did it look like someone else ? | |
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| Clydach murders on 09:50 - Oct 24 with 1697 views | trampie |
Did Morris even have time to do it, walk there under influence of drink and drugs, kill granny - why ?, get chair and TV down stairs to stand on and the change fuse and kill the rest of them.
As regards the timeline it makes one wonder what side the defence was on the way they performed. | |
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| Clydach murders on 09:57 - Oct 24 with 1812 views | trampie |
How did the killer get in the house, let in, own key ?
Why was the policeman first on the scene apparently not called as a witness in either trial ? | |
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| Clydach murders on 09:59 - Oct 24 with 1805 views | trampie |
Strange strange case, certainly not an open and shut case, whoever done it. | |
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| Clydach murders on 10:13 - Oct 24 with 1782 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 09:26 - Oct 24 by trampie |
As regards others exhmrc1, wasn't there DNA of a known person on Mandy (yet she washed religiously) ?
Were there others that had sports strength, fitness and aggression in the frame, who was capable of handling a stick or bar ? and rain down blow after blow onto 4 victims and not miss once, apparently not one hit on wall, floor, furniture etc (only light bulb) everyone hit its target, what 50 out of 50, 100 out of 100 hits, do you think a person on drink and drugs could do that ?
Was there someone else the bloody handprint matched better than Morris ?
Was there someone else that was a forensic expert ?
Was there someone else that had severe mental torment after the murders ?
Was there others with a motive to kill Mandy ?, I wouldn't even say Morris had a motive but was that the case for others.
How do the explain the behaviour of some of the police, not securing the scene, barely passing on on a shift change, can't remember what they did for a few hours, lost log book/failed to make notes ?
Like I said if they had put someone else on trial first they may have been done for the same crime Morris was, from what I've heard there might be more evidence against others than there was against Morris.
Like I've said Morris might have done it, he might not have done but guilty beyond reasonable doubt is a surprising outcome to a lot of people with no witnesses and little forensic evidence, the last person I spoke to about the case thought that if he did do it then the jury got the right result in error. [Post edited 24 Oct 2020 9:45]
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Despite your dream world the fact is 2 separate juries in 2 locations under the direction of 2 different judges found him unanimously guilty. You and countless others can believe your police theories and perhaps you would like to say why some in Graig referred to Morris as Dai the murderer BEFORE he was arrested. Unlike you I trust the juries. You just want it when it suits but the fact remains that 23 people all unconnected to Morris, the Dawson and Power families or the Lewis family ALL decided he was guilty BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. If they had doubt they would have acquitted him. This was also the view of the Dawson, Power family and the press who covered it. The woman the programme put forward put her case. The jury after seeing her evidence rejected it. The jury after seeing Morris give evidence didnt believe him. 2 QCs with supporting lawyers decided what evidence they wanted to put forward. They decided on the evidence that would give Morris the best chance of being acquitted. They failed and that included a barrister who had overturned several miscarriages of justice. You have seen some little known barrister make comments that extremely well known and successful barristers rejected. Peter Rouch has acted in many murder trials. Michael Mansfield is legendary. You obviously now better than everyone involved in this case. |  | | |
| Clydach murders on 10:22 - Oct 24 with 1774 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 10:13 - Oct 24 by exhmrc1 |
Despite your dream world the fact is 2 separate juries in 2 locations under the direction of 2 different judges found him unanimously guilty. You and countless others can believe your police theories and perhaps you would like to say why some in Graig referred to Morris as Dai the murderer BEFORE he was arrested. Unlike you I trust the juries. You just want it when it suits but the fact remains that 23 people all unconnected to Morris, the Dawson and Power families or the Lewis family ALL decided he was guilty BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. If they had doubt they would have acquitted him. This was also the view of the Dawson, Power family and the press who covered it. The woman the programme put forward put her case. The jury after seeing her evidence rejected it. The jury after seeing Morris give evidence didnt believe him. 2 QCs with supporting lawyers decided what evidence they wanted to put forward. They decided on the evidence that would give Morris the best chance of being acquitted. They failed and that included a barrister who had overturned several miscarriages of justice. You have seen some little known barrister make comments that extremely well known and successful barristers rejected. Peter Rouch has acted in many murder trials. Michael Mansfield is legendary. You obviously now better than everyone involved in this case. |
You said that before, that you trust the system to get it right, although we know they don't always get it right, what are your answers to the questions I've put up ? | |
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| Clydach murders on 10:23 - Oct 24 with 1770 views | Andy1300 |
| Clydach murders on 09:57 - Oct 24 by trampie |
How did the killer get in the house, let in, own key ?
Why was the policeman first on the scene apparently not called as a witness in either trial ? |
Because it’s a cover up |  |
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| Clydach murders on 10:28 - Oct 24 with 1762 views | Andy1300 |
| Clydach murders on 09:26 - Oct 24 by trampie |
As regards others exhmrc1, wasn't there DNA of a known person on Mandy (yet she washed religiously) ?
Were there others that had sports strength, fitness and aggression in the frame, who was capable of handling a stick or bar ? and rain down blow after blow onto 4 victims and not miss once, apparently not one hit on wall, floor, furniture etc (only light bulb) everyone hit its target, what 50 out of 50, 100 out of 100 hits, do you think a person on drink and drugs could do that ?
Was there someone else the bloody handprint matched better than Morris ?
Was there someone else that was a forensic expert ?
Was there someone else that had severe mental torment after the murders ?
Was there others with a motive to kill Mandy ?, I wouldn't even say Morris had a motive but was that the case for others.
How do the explain the behaviour of some of the police, not securing the scene, barely passing on on a shift change, can't remember what they did for a few hours, lost log book/failed to make notes ?
Like I said if they had put someone else on trial first they may have been done for the same crime Morris was, from what I've heard there might be more evidence against others than there was against Morris.
Like I've said Morris might have done it, he might not have done but guilty beyond reasonable doubt is a surprising outcome to a lot of people with no witnesses and little forensic evidence, the last person I spoke to about the case thought that if he did do it then the jury got the right result in error. [Post edited 24 Oct 2020 9:45]
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Alison Lewis was a martial arts expert, also worked in forensics, had a motive too. | |
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| Clydach murders on 12:01 - Oct 24 with 1715 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 09:26 - Oct 24 by trampie |
As regards others exhmrc1, wasn't there DNA of a known person on Mandy (yet she washed religiously) ?
Were there others that had sports strength, fitness and aggression in the frame, who was capable of handling a stick or bar ? and rain down blow after blow onto 4 victims and not miss once, apparently not one hit on wall, floor, furniture etc (only light bulb) everyone hit its target, what 50 out of 50, 100 out of 100 hits, do you think a person on drink and drugs could do that ?
Was there someone else the bloody handprint matched better than Morris ?
Was there someone else that was a forensic expert ?
Was there someone else that had severe mental torment after the murders ?
Was there others with a motive to kill Mandy ?, I wouldn't even say Morris had a motive but was that the case for others.
How do the explain the behaviour of some of the police, not securing the scene, barely passing on on a shift change, can't remember what they did for a few hours, lost log book/failed to make notes ?
Like I said if they had put someone else on trial first they may have been done for the same crime Morris was, from what I've heard there might be more evidence against others than there was against Morris.
Like I've said Morris might have done it, he might not have done but guilty beyond reasonable doubt is a surprising outcome to a lot of people with no witnesses and little forensic evidence, the last person I spoke to about the case thought that if he did do it then the jury got the right result in error. [Post edited 24 Oct 2020 9:45]
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If your trying to make a case against Alison Lewis she wasnt as strong as Morris and nor did she have history of using iron bars. Morris was not a one time criminal killing 4 people. How many crimes has he committed compared to her and was known to be violent. She wasnt. However whether she, her husband , brother in law or me or you could have done it doesnt matter. The juries heard the evidence against Morris and decided twice unanimously he did it. Why. They saw him giving evidence. They saw Alison Lewis give evidence. If as Morris later claimed he had sex the day before and left his chain there then surely when the Police were showing the chain in police public TV appeals he knew they had his chain yet he continued to deny it was his and got someone else to buy an identical one to look like he still had his.
Anyone who was innocent wouldnt have gone to this extent. They would have come clean about leaving it there when they had sex the day before. He didnt and yet you choose to believe his story. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 12:08 - Oct 24 with 1705 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 12:01 - Oct 24 by exhmrc1 |
If your trying to make a case against Alison Lewis she wasnt as strong as Morris and nor did she have history of using iron bars. Morris was not a one time criminal killing 4 people. How many crimes has he committed compared to her and was known to be violent. She wasnt. However whether she, her husband , brother in law or me or you could have done it doesnt matter. The juries heard the evidence against Morris and decided twice unanimously he did it. Why. They saw him giving evidence. They saw Alison Lewis give evidence. If as Morris later claimed he had sex the day before and left his chain there then surely when the Police were showing the chain in police public TV appeals he knew they had his chain yet he continued to deny it was his and got someone else to buy an identical one to look like he still had his.
Anyone who was innocent wouldnt have gone to this extent. They would have come clean about leaving it there when they had sex the day before. He didnt and yet you choose to believe his story. |
I'm not making a case against anyone hence why I haven't named anyone and I don't choose to believe anyone's story in this tale, you are the one that believes a version of the story, not me. | |
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| Clydach murders on 12:32 - Oct 24 with 1681 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 12:08 - Oct 24 by trampie |
I'm not making a case against anyone hence why I haven't named anyone and I don't choose to believe anyone's story in this tale, you are the one that believes a version of the story, not me. |
You are the one who said you believed in the jury system but dont accept the result twice in this case. You referred to martial arts expert. Alison Lewis had martial arts experience. You suggested others had motives and Morris didnt. Who were the others who had motives. Generally people have tried to claim the Lewis family and the BBC and those involved in the programme have tried to implicate Steven Lewis. Others have tried to claim it was his wife. They have tried to say the Lewis family was in the vicinity and you said Morris wasn't sighted but others were which happened to be the Lewis brothers so it is obvious who you were referring to. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 12:36 - Oct 24 with 1673 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 12:32 - Oct 24 by exhmrc1 |
You are the one who said you believed in the jury system but dont accept the result twice in this case. You referred to martial arts expert. Alison Lewis had martial arts experience. You suggested others had motives and Morris didnt. Who were the others who had motives. Generally people have tried to claim the Lewis family and the BBC and those involved in the programme have tried to implicate Steven Lewis. Others have tried to claim it was his wife. They have tried to say the Lewis family was in the vicinity and you said Morris wasn't sighted but others were which happened to be the Lewis brothers so it is obvious who you were referring to. |
You are making things up, I said I believe in the jury system and I accept the result.
I never referred to martial arts expert. | |
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| Clydach murders on 12:55 - Oct 24 with 1654 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 12:36 - Oct 24 by trampie |
You are making things up, I said I believe in the jury system and I accept the result.
I never referred to martial arts expert. |
Your claim mate
Were there others that had sports strength, fitness and aggression in the frame, who was capable of handling a stick or bar | | | |
| Clydach murders on 13:00 - Oct 24 with 1649 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 12:55 - Oct 24 by exhmrc1 |
Your claim mate
Were there others that had sports strength, fitness and aggression in the frame, who was capable of handling a stick or bar |
Are you going to apologise for saying I said things I hadn't ? | |
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| Clydach murders on 13:14 - Oct 24 with 1631 views | onehunglow |
Why bother with a trial at all.
Why not imply let the community decide, many on here seem certain about his innocence or guilt ,come to that.
It s like a lynching party in Mississippi circa 1962 but without a victim | |
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| Clydach murders on 13:15 - Oct 24 with 1630 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 13:00 - Oct 24 by trampie |
Are you going to apologise for saying I said things I hadn't ? |
That is implied. Are you also believing the story that these 2 guys are going to walk along quite as busy road. One somehow doesnt leave and the other walks a 4 mile distance over a mountain road | | | |
| Clydach murders on 13:27 - Oct 24 with 1626 views | onehunglow |
Look Boy.
UNLESS YOU WERE THERE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO KILLED THEM.
It's that simple now mover the feck on as this is getting tedious now.
As I say, why bother with a trial.Police should simply have asked who done it;there again;there again if they had,some would have said,he was no murderer and others he was .
So You don't know.
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| Clydach murders on 13:28 - Oct 24 with 1625 views | angryjack |
| Clydach murders on 12:01 - Oct 24 by exhmrc1 |
If your trying to make a case against Alison Lewis she wasnt as strong as Morris and nor did she have history of using iron bars. Morris was not a one time criminal killing 4 people. How many crimes has he committed compared to her and was known to be violent. She wasnt. However whether she, her husband , brother in law or me or you could have done it doesnt matter. The juries heard the evidence against Morris and decided twice unanimously he did it. Why. They saw him giving evidence. They saw Alison Lewis give evidence. If as Morris later claimed he had sex the day before and left his chain there then surely when the Police were showing the chain in police public TV appeals he knew they had his chain yet he continued to deny it was his and got someone else to buy an identical one to look like he still had his.
Anyone who was innocent wouldnt have gone to this extent. They would have come clean about leaving it there when they had sex the day before. He didnt and yet you choose to believe his story. |
You must be related to her or a bent copper.it all points to them..never trust the police..pigs | | | |
| Clydach murders on 13:39 - Oct 24 with 1614 views | Whiterockin |
| Clydach murders on 12:32 - Oct 24 by exhmrc1 |
You are the one who said you believed in the jury system but dont accept the result twice in this case. You referred to martial arts expert. Alison Lewis had martial arts experience. You suggested others had motives and Morris didnt. Who were the others who had motives. Generally people have tried to claim the Lewis family and the BBC and those involved in the programme have tried to implicate Steven Lewis. Others have tried to claim it was his wife. They have tried to say the Lewis family was in the vicinity and you said Morris wasn't sighted but others were which happened to be the Lewis brothers so it is obvious who you were referring to. |
I believe in the jury system. But if they are not provided with all the evidence how can they make an accurate judgment. If you say they were provided with all the evidence fair enough. But I don't believe they were. Do I think Morris did it, I really don't know and without all the facts I don't see how anyone can make a decision either way. |  | | |
| Clydach murders on 13:43 - Oct 24 with 1608 views | onehunglow |
All of them angry/
If they are ,then God help you .
You need them more than they need you.You 'll find out one day.
And to think thee people put their lives on the line for people with an attitude like yours. | |
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