| Zapata a done deal apparently.. 02:11 - Aug 10 with 46255 views | UPPERLOFTNZ |
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8862266/?
Queens Park Rangers have agreed a deal with Estudiantes for striker Duvan Zapata, Sky Sports understands.
Rangers have been locked in talks with the Argentine club over a deal for the highly-rated Colombian striker.
West Ham had previously struck a deal before pulling out earlier this summer, while other clubs from around Europe such as Italians Napoli and Sassuolo, French side Evian and Spaniards Atletico Madrid have all shown an interest in recent weeks.
However, Rangers have now managed to broker a deal for Zapata worth $10million (£6.4million).
Zapata is now due to arrive in England over the weekend to finalise personal terms and undergo a medical.
The 22-year-old, who is expected to be part of Colombia's squad for next year's World Cup finals, will then need a work-permit - which will have to go to appeal.
QPR are hopeful that Zapata will be granted the move under the 'special talent' ruling.
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| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 12:23 - Aug 13 with 2048 views | headhoops |
chop off his hand and stick a hook on it - he will be in the country for years! |  |
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| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 12:26 - Aug 13 with 2021 views | rsonist |
If I recall correctly United managed to get one for Anderson by having Dunga (national manager at the time) vouch for him and state he'd be a part of future squads. Given Columbia are third in the FIFA world rankings right now something similarly official for us would probably be just the ticket. |  | | |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 12:26 - Aug 13 with 2019 views | DWQPR |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 12:23 - Aug 13 by headhoops |
chop off his hand and stick a hook on it - he will be in the country for years! |
 
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| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 12:40 - Aug 13 with 1974 views | danehoop |
You have rather hit the nail on the head there.
The people reviewing are unlikely to be football experts per se. What they will look at is a number of fairly fixed critiera - is he a current international player for his country? Is he an under 21 player for his country? What ranking in the current FIFA world rankings is that country? and so on.
Those sort of questions essentially are supposed to identify the best talents from countries which are genuinely as good or better than the UK. So being a curent international from Thailand or Malaysia is unlikely to get you a WP. A little harsh on genuinely outstanding players from weak nations perhaps, so they do allow a little more intelligent questioning. So what league is currently being played in? Might be another question. The idea is to try and build up a picture of whether there are any grounds at all for their being grounds for admission as a special talent.
In Zapata's case he pretty much flunks the first couple of questions, not being a current senior or under 21 player. However, he was an under 20 player and he is from a highly ranked footballing nation. Add to that he is playing in one of the better South American Leagues as a first team player for the past two years at one of the strongest clubs in that league with a decent record and there maybe grounds for consideration. Probably not sufficient in itself would be my judgement, so I am guessing that his representitives/QPR have some additional information to further boost his grounds for consideration otherwise they probably wouldnt have gone this far with the deal. If I were really pushed my guess is that they have something from the Colombian FA confirming his consideration/possible inclusion in the next Colombian Squad. That would hopefully be sufficient.
The irony being of course that if we get a knock back the lad will sign for an Italian or Spanish side without a problem as they have much more relaxed rules when it comes down to equivalant footballer workpermits and visas. |  |
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| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 13:06 - Aug 13 with 1892 views | MedwayR |
We could sign him even if he doesn't get a work permit & loan him out, happens quite a lot, but I don't think we'd take that route |  |
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| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 13:15 - Aug 13 with 1846 views | Juzzie |
It would probably be cheaper and easier to buy Estudiantes and then take him on a season long loan. |  | | |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 13:17 - Aug 13 with 1827 views | danehoop |
Would still need a work permit. | |
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| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 13:19 - Aug 13 with 1807 views | headhoops |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 12:40 - Aug 13 by danehoop |
You have rather hit the nail on the head there.
The people reviewing are unlikely to be football experts per se. What they will look at is a number of fairly fixed critiera - is he a current international player for his country? Is he an under 21 player for his country? What ranking in the current FIFA world rankings is that country? and so on.
Those sort of questions essentially are supposed to identify the best talents from countries which are genuinely as good or better than the UK. So being a curent international from Thailand or Malaysia is unlikely to get you a WP. A little harsh on genuinely outstanding players from weak nations perhaps, so they do allow a little more intelligent questioning. So what league is currently being played in? Might be another question. The idea is to try and build up a picture of whether there are any grounds at all for their being grounds for admission as a special talent.
In Zapata's case he pretty much flunks the first couple of questions, not being a current senior or under 21 player. However, he was an under 20 player and he is from a highly ranked footballing nation. Add to that he is playing in one of the better South American Leagues as a first team player for the past two years at one of the strongest clubs in that league with a decent record and there maybe grounds for consideration. Probably not sufficient in itself would be my judgement, so I am guessing that his representitives/QPR have some additional information to further boost his grounds for consideration otherwise they probably wouldnt have gone this far with the deal. If I were really pushed my guess is that they have something from the Colombian FA confirming his consideration/possible inclusion in the next Colombian Squad. That would hopefully be sufficient.
The irony being of course that if we get a knock back the lad will sign for an Italian or Spanish side without a problem as they have much more relaxed rules when it comes down to equivalant footballer workpermits and visas. |
The irony being of course that if we get a knock back the lad will sign for an Italian or Spanish side without a problem as they have much more relaxed rules when it comes down to equivalant footballer workpermits and visas. -
Udinese and on loan to Watford and in the Championship in days........ | |
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| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 13:33 - Aug 13 with 1726 views | QPRDave |
Yeah good post......ridiculous set up |  | | |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 13:38 - Aug 13 with 1697 views | eghamranger |
He will also be paying shit loads of tax, which will go back into paying for the unskilled useless ones. |  | | |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 13:40 - Aug 13 with 1687 views | danehoop |
No. Not true, unless your referring to a small number of non visa countries like the US. | |
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| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 13:45 - Aug 13 with 1659 views | danehoop |
The issue is also not about whether he is skilled or not to be fair, it is also whether he is denying an opportunity for a UK or EU national. So in that respect can you evidence that Zapata is such a talent that he is beyond what will be available to us from elsewhere within the UK/EU?
That is where the question becomes more difficult, hence the set of questions mentioned earlier which in footballing terms should help to establish that there is sufficient evidence, on the balance of probabilities, to support a player being a special talent. It certainly isn't about whether they are tax paying or not (and you need to rememebr that most footballers have very tax efficient payment schemes to ensure they pay the very minimum possible). | |
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| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 13:50 - Aug 13 with 1625 views | fakekerby |
The question on my mind continues to be - if he's so good why hasn't he played in the Under-21s?
I can see the panel thinking a similar thing. | | | |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 14:04 - Aug 13 with 1563 views | QPR_ARG |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 13:50 - Aug 13 by fakekerby |
The question on my mind continues to be - if he's so good why hasn't he played in the Under-21s?
I can see the panel thinking a similar thing. |
Because there isn't an U21 Colombian national team. Around here, we only have U20s. And he was part of the setup for that team (he scored 1 goal in 3 matches at the Youth World Cup). And he also played (and won) the Toulon Youth Championship in 2011.
The only reason he is not a full Colombian international is this:
Radamel Falcao
Teo Gutierrez
Jackson Martinez
Carlos Bacca
Luis Muriel
Dorlan Pabon
Carlos Quintero
Not to mention other attacking options from midfield such as James Rodriguez, Juan Fernando Quintero, Macnelly Torres or even Giovani Moreno.
Competition for places in Colombia right now is BRUTAL.
Don't know if that can be used as an explanation ahead of whoever decides whether he deserves a work permit or not, but in my opinion, that's the only reason standing between Duvan and regular international football. |  | | |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 14:07 - Aug 13 with 1552 views | JonDoeman |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 13:50 - Aug 13 by fakekerby |
The question on my mind continues to be - if he's so good why hasn't he played in the Under-21s?
I can see the panel thinking a similar thing. |
They've just given a work permit to the Man Yoo Uruguayan kid who's only played U20, fill the same criteria of that precedent, which they must be confident of doing, then the job's a good'un. |  |
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| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 14:09 - Aug 13 with 1547 views | QPR_ARG |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 12:40 - Aug 13 by danehoop |
You have rather hit the nail on the head there.
The people reviewing are unlikely to be football experts per se. What they will look at is a number of fairly fixed critiera - is he a current international player for his country? Is he an under 21 player for his country? What ranking in the current FIFA world rankings is that country? and so on.
Those sort of questions essentially are supposed to identify the best talents from countries which are genuinely as good or better than the UK. So being a curent international from Thailand or Malaysia is unlikely to get you a WP. A little harsh on genuinely outstanding players from weak nations perhaps, so they do allow a little more intelligent questioning. So what league is currently being played in? Might be another question. The idea is to try and build up a picture of whether there are any grounds at all for their being grounds for admission as a special talent.
In Zapata's case he pretty much flunks the first couple of questions, not being a current senior or under 21 player. However, he was an under 20 player and he is from a highly ranked footballing nation. Add to that he is playing in one of the better South American Leagues as a first team player for the past two years at one of the strongest clubs in that league with a decent record and there maybe grounds for consideration. Probably not sufficient in itself would be my judgement, so I am guessing that his representitives/QPR have some additional information to further boost his grounds for consideration otherwise they probably wouldnt have gone this far with the deal. If I were really pushed my guess is that they have something from the Colombian FA confirming his consideration/possible inclusion in the next Colombian Squad. That would hopefully be sufficient.
The irony being of course that if we get a knock back the lad will sign for an Italian or Spanish side without a problem as they have much more relaxed rules when it comes down to equivalant footballer workpermits and visas. |
The intriguing part is the one about "his representatives/QPR" and I'd even say "Estudiantes' representatives".
The club need the money and I know (from a good source) that they have asked Julio Grondona (head of the AFA and FIFA Vicepresident) to put up a good word to the authorities (my source couldn't tell me who Grondona was meant to talk to, though) in order to help Duvan get his work permit.
If Grondona is not the most powerful man in world football (even more than Blatter himself), then he is certainly the undisputed number 2. Not that I take any pride in that. In fact, I think he is a despicable man, but this bit of info kinda brings my hopes up a notch. | | | |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 14:14 - Aug 13 with 1524 views | fakekerby |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 14:04 - Aug 13 by QPR_ARG |
Because there isn't an U21 Colombian national team. Around here, we only have U20s. And he was part of the setup for that team (he scored 1 goal in 3 matches at the Youth World Cup). And he also played (and won) the Toulon Youth Championship in 2011.
The only reason he is not a full Colombian international is this:
Radamel Falcao
Teo Gutierrez
Jackson Martinez
Carlos Bacca
Luis Muriel
Dorlan Pabon
Carlos Quintero
Not to mention other attacking options from midfield such as James Rodriguez, Juan Fernando Quintero, Macnelly Torres or even Giovani Moreno.
Competition for places in Colombia right now is BRUTAL.
Don't know if that can be used as an explanation ahead of whoever decides whether he deserves a work permit or not, but in my opinion, that's the only reason standing between Duvan and regular international football. |
I didn't realise that there were no U21 teams in South America - I can fully understand why he hadn't made the full team as yet.
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| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 14:15 - Aug 13 with 1517 views | JonDoeman |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 14:04 - Aug 13 by QPR_ARG |
Because there isn't an U21 Colombian national team. Around here, we only have U20s. And he was part of the setup for that team (he scored 1 goal in 3 matches at the Youth World Cup). And he also played (and won) the Toulon Youth Championship in 2011.
The only reason he is not a full Colombian international is this:
Radamel Falcao
Teo Gutierrez
Jackson Martinez
Carlos Bacca
Luis Muriel
Dorlan Pabon
Carlos Quintero
Not to mention other attacking options from midfield such as James Rodriguez, Juan Fernando Quintero, Macnelly Torres or even Giovani Moreno.
Competition for places in Colombia right now is BRUTAL.
Don't know if that can be used as an explanation ahead of whoever decides whether he deserves a work permit or not, but in my opinion, that's the only reason standing between Duvan and regular international football. |
Because there isn't an U21 Colombian national team.
Well done Arg, you're informing the armchair expert legal eagles! | |
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| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 14:40 - Aug 13 with 1487 views | rsonist |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 14:09 - Aug 13 by QPR_ARG |
The intriguing part is the one about "his representatives/QPR" and I'd even say "Estudiantes' representatives".
The club need the money and I know (from a good source) that they have asked Julio Grondona (head of the AFA and FIFA Vicepresident) to put up a good word to the authorities (my source couldn't tell me who Grondona was meant to talk to, though) in order to help Duvan get his work permit.
If Grondona is not the most powerful man in world football (even more than Blatter himself), then he is certainly the undisputed number 2. Not that I take any pride in that. In fact, I think he is a despicable man, but this bit of info kinda brings my hopes up a notch. |
Certainly sounds like good news for us.... thanks for sharing. | | | |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 14:43 - Aug 13 with 1477 views | DieByYourSide |
Get Arg on the work permit panel NOW! | |
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| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 14:53 - Aug 13 with 1452 views | BklynRanger |
'...they have asked Julio Grondona (head of the AFA and FIFA Vicepresident) to put up a good word to the authorities (my source couldn't tell me who Grondona was meant to talk to, though) in order to help Duvan get his work permit.'
Oh dear god! - Sun headlines, points deductions, end of season strangeness, no parade - it's deja va all over again man!  |  | | |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 14:56 - Aug 13 with 1434 views | danehoop |
Provided the "word" is in the form of a letter supporting the application and in what capacity it will be something considered as part of the WP application. Beyond that the person has no input or legitimacy in the process. Equally the FA doesn't get called upon to give a view or opinion unless asked to. | |
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| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 15:01 - Aug 13 with 1414 views | BklynRanger |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 14:56 - Aug 13 by danehoop |
Provided the "word" is in the form of a letter supporting the application and in what capacity it will be something considered as part of the WP application. Beyond that the person has no input or legitimacy in the process. Equally the FA doesn't get called upon to give a view or opinion unless asked to. |
What if the 'word' is in the form of numerous chunks of Euros wrapped up in elastic bands inside a swimming towel? | | | |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 15:13 - Aug 13 with 1383 views | danehoop |
Not too sure that they take Euros . Looking at the rules though for applying as a highly skilled migrant, sportsperson:
Tier 2 (Sportsperson)
Can you apply?
This section explains the requirements that you must meet if you are applying to come to or remain in the UK under Tier 2 (Sportsperson) of the points-based system.
To be able to apply, you must score a total of 70 points and meet all the other requirements of the Immigration Rules.
If you are already in the UK in a different immigration category, you may be able to 'switch' into Tier 2 (Sportsperson) - see 'More information' below.
How to score points
Points are awarded as follows:
- Having a certificate of sponsorship and an endorsement from your sport's governing body 50 points
- Having sufficient English language ability 10 points
- Having sufficient maintenance (funds) 10 points
Now the first point is defined as follows:
Certificate of sponsorship
You will score 50 points if you have a certificate of sponsorship. Your sponsor can assign a certificate of sponsorship to you if:
you are qualified to do the job; you plan to base yourself in the UK; and you will comply with the conditions of your permission to stay and leave the UK when that permission expires. Your certificate of sponsorship must also contain an endorsement number from the governing body for your sport. Your sponsor is responsible for obtaining this You can find a list of all the governing bodies in the Sponsor section.
If you want to apply to extend your stay under Tier 2 (Sportsperson), your sponsor will need to assign a new certificate of sponsorship to you. The governing body will need to endorse your application again, so your certificate of sponsorship will need to contain a new endorsement number
I reckon that may be the bit that Seb idespicable person may be looking to provide.
The funds bit is straight forward. The kicker might just be the English Language requirement though.
You must score 10 points for English language. You can score points if you:
are a national of a majority English-speaking country; or pass an English language test on our list of approved English language tests; or hold a degree that was taught in English and is equivalent to a UK bachelor's degree. You will meet the English language requirement automatically and score points without having to send further evidence if:
you have previously been given permission to stay under Tier 1 (General) or Tier 1 (Entrepreneur), or as a businessperson, a work permit holder, a representative of an overseas newspaper, news agency or broadcasting organisation, a member of the operational ground staff of an overseas-owned airline, or a Jewish agency employee; you were given permission to stay under the Highly Skilled Migrant Programme after 7 November 2006; you were given permission to stay in the past under Tier 2, have already given us evidence that you meet the Tier 2 English language requirement, and are applying to extend your stay; you are applying because you have changed jobs, and you have already given us evidence that you meet the Tier 2 English language requirement; or you are applying because you have changed jobs, and you have been given permission to stay in the past as a minister of religion on or after 23 August 2004. If you are a national of a majority English-speaking country
We will award you 10 points for English language if you are a national of a majority English-speaking country listed below:
Antigua and Barbuda Australia The Bahamas Barbados Belize Canada Dominica Grenada Guyana Jamaica New Zealand St Kitts and Nevis St Lucia St Vincent and the Grenadines Trinidad and Tobago United States of America If you have passed or are taking an English language test
You must have 10 points for English language. These will be awarded if you pass a test, at the appropriate level, which is on our list of approved English language tests. You can download the list of approved English language tests from the right side of this page.
Now I wonder if the club may actually look to initially bring him under the Tier 5 temporary visa rules (below) and then look to apply again for full tier 2 visa next summer when his English is good enough.
Tier 5 (Temporary worker - creative and sporting)
This section explains how you can come to the UK or remain here in the creative and sporting worker category (Tier 5 Temporary Worker) under our points-based system to work in the UK.
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What is the creative and sporting category? Who can apply as a creative and sporting worker? How long can you stay for? If you need to be able to come and go from the UK with your job What is the creative and sporting category?
The creative and sporting worker category is for people coming to the UK to work or perform as sportspeople, entertainers or creative artists for up to 12 months. (Entertainers and creative artists may apply to extend their stay to a maximum of 12 months if they continue to work or perform for the same sponsor.)
If you are a sportsperson, you must be internationally established at the highest level in your sport, and/or your employment must make a significant contribution to the development and running of sport at the highest level in the UK.
If you are a coach, you must also be suitably qualified to do the job.
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Who can apply as a creative and sporting worker?
Before you apply under the creative and sporting worker category, you must have:
a sponsor; and a valid certificate of sponsorship. Before assigning your certificate of sponsorship in the sporting sub-category, your sponsor must have an endorsement for you from the governing body for your sport, which confirms you meet the governing body's requirements to give their endorsement. The governing body must be recognised by us. Find a list of sports governing bodies.
When you apply you are awarded points based on your sponsorship and available maintenance (funds).
You can apply under the creative and sporting worker category if you are:
applying for permission to enter the UK (known as 'visa' or 'entry clearance') under the creative and sporting worker category; applying to enter the UK if you are not required to have a visa and are entering for 3 months or less; already in the UK as a sportsperson and want to extend your permission to stay for up to 12 months; already in the UK as a creative worker who has been here for 12 months or less - you will be able to extend your permission to stay for up to a maximum of 24 months. The job must continue with the same sponsor. The creative and sporting category is not for people who want to come or who are already in the UK as entertainers or sports visitors, including for specified festivals. See more about sport and entertainer visitors in the Visiting the UK section.
You can switch in to the creative and sporting category if you came to the UK as a sports or entertainer visitor, and before you entered the UK, your sponsor gave you a certificate of sponsorship for this category. You can use the certificate to apply to switch.
Otherwise switching is not allowed into the creative and sporting working category.
You can apply under the creative and sporting category from a country that is not your normal place of residence if you are there doing a job similar to the one that you want to do in the UK.
Go to our visa services if you are applying from outside the UK. There you can find out more about the process in the country you are applying from and download the relevant application forms.
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How long can you stay for?
Sportsperson
If you are given permission to stay as a sportsperson, you can come to live and work in the UK for a maximum of 12 months, or the time given in your certificate of sponsorship plus 28 days, whichever is shorter (beginning no more than 14 days before the start date given on your certificate of sponsorship).
If you are a sportsperson, you can only apply to extend your stay to a maximum of 12 months. | |
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| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 15:15 - Aug 13 with 4075 views | JamieNaz |
| Zapata a done deal apparently.. on 14:09 - Aug 13 by QPR_ARG |
The intriguing part is the one about "his representatives/QPR" and I'd even say "Estudiantes' representatives".
The club need the money and I know (from a good source) that they have asked Julio Grondona (head of the AFA and FIFA Vicepresident) to put up a good word to the authorities (my source couldn't tell me who Grondona was meant to talk to, though) in order to help Duvan get his work permit.
If Grondona is not the most powerful man in world football (even more than Blatter himself), then he is certainly the undisputed number 2. Not that I take any pride in that. In fact, I think he is a despicable man, but this bit of info kinda brings my hopes up a notch. |
Grondona is bent as fúck. | | | |
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