| Update of our Ex players. 17:38 - Dec 30 with 2449 views | GRIM |
We obviously knew something when we shipped out these players.
Lavia only played about 40 mins for Chelsea & he is now out injured again & we got approx 35m for him.
Bella Kotchap has only managed 3 games out on loan.
Salisu has not played any games out on loan.
Diallo has only played 3 games out on loan.
Hope we're not paying too much of their wages & what hope have we got of selling them if they're not getting game time whilst out on loan.
Not sure we want any of them back if (when) we get back in Premier lge.
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| Update of our Ex players. on 20:30 - Dec 30 with 2256 views | Saintandy66 |
Salisu and Diallo are not on loan both were sold I believe. | | | |
| Update of our Ex players. on 22:19 - Dec 30 with 2177 views | GRIM |
| Update of our Ex players. on 20:30 - Dec 30 by Saintandy66 |
Salisu and Diallo are not on loan both were sold I believe. |
I stand corrected, you're right we sold both Salisu & Diallo, I reckon that was good business.
I forget about Nathan Tella, we sold him & he's only managed 6 games.
To date the combined number of games that all of those players have managed at their new clubs is a dozen.
We've not missed any of them. | | | |
| Update of our Ex players. on 22:29 - Dec 30 with 2163 views | NYC_Saint |
Maybe ABK will have been humbled from his "too good for this" attitude and might be useful if we go up? Salisu seemed to have a lot of potential but putting it all together never seemed to happen for us and if he's not playing now clearly coaching him is a real challenge | | | |
| Update of our Ex players. on 10:03 - Dec 31 with 1952 views | GRIM |
| Update of our Ex players. on 22:29 - Dec 30 by NYC_Saint |
Maybe ABK will have been humbled from his "too good for this" attitude and might be useful if we go up? Salisu seemed to have a lot of potential but putting it all together never seemed to happen for us and if he's not playing now clearly coaching him is a real challenge |
There's no way ABK would adapt & fit into RM's playing out from the back style of play. (assuming RM is still here next season).
ABK is a monster but not tactically very astute plus for a big fella he's very soft & theatrical. | | | |
| Update of our Ex players. on 10:17 - Dec 31 with 1940 views | 1ASIN12 |
Players like Salisu and Bella Kotchap are the reason we went down.
Salisu joined then didn’t appear for months then went missing again as soon as he realised the going was going to get tough as we were going down .
Similar to Bella Kotchap , seemed to want to go of injured most weeks as again it was getting tough . Didn’t stop either picking up their high wages .
Both thought playing in the championship was beneath them .
Fvcking melts the pair of them . [Post edited 31 Dec 2023 11:11]
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| Update of our Ex players. on 12:30 - Dec 31 with 1858 views | Berber |
The whole notion of clubs doing their homework about players seems to have gone out of the window. I think most scouts only follow the prospects that the stats from FM and the like throw up. Whether players have the grit and determination required doesn’t seem to get considered. Man U have bought a load of flakey Prima Donnas in the past few seasons, whilst we seem to have bought in too many 70% ers.
This is the kind of thing that happens when new owners ( and the Yanks are the absolute worst) think that their skills set can be applied to any business. |  |
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| Update of our Ex players. on 15:38 - Dec 31 with 1765 views | GRIM |
| Update of our Ex players. on 12:30 - Dec 31 by Berber |
The whole notion of clubs doing their homework about players seems to have gone out of the window. I think most scouts only follow the prospects that the stats from FM and the like throw up. Whether players have the grit and determination required doesn’t seem to get considered. Man U have bought a load of flakey Prima Donnas in the past few seasons, whilst we seem to have bought in too many 70% ers.
This is the kind of thing that happens when new owners ( and the Yanks are the absolute worst) think that their skills set can be applied to any business. |
You've hit the nail right on the head.
Most clubs including Saints create a short list of players based on information / stats straight from a computer.
I'm convinced that they often sign players blind, without have seen them play or spoken to them personally.
I agree totally with you that before signing new players they should be assessed closely, checking temperament, fitness record etc. ( did we not do this with Ross Stewart).
There are far too many players being signed based on stats direct from computer & biased advice from players agents. | | | |
| Update of our Ex players. on 16:08 - Dec 31 with 1731 views | Ron11 |
| Update of our Ex players. on 15:38 - Dec 31 by GRIM |
You've hit the nail right on the head.
Most clubs including Saints create a short list of players based on information / stats straight from a computer.
I'm convinced that they often sign players blind, without have seen them play or spoken to them personally.
I agree totally with you that before signing new players they should be assessed closely, checking temperament, fitness record etc. ( did we not do this with Ross Stewart).
There are far too many players being signed based on stats direct from computer & biased advice from players agents. |
What's happened to scouts then....
Have they all but disappeared? | | | |
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| Update of our Ex players. on 16:15 - Dec 31 with 1723 views | LondonSaint76 |
| Update of our Ex players. on 15:38 - Dec 31 by GRIM |
You've hit the nail right on the head.
Most clubs including Saints create a short list of players based on information / stats straight from a computer.
I'm convinced that they often sign players blind, without have seen them play or spoken to them personally.
I agree totally with you that before signing new players they should be assessed closely, checking temperament, fitness record etc. ( did we not do this with Ross Stewart).
There are far too many players being signed based on stats direct from computer & biased advice from players agents. |
Isn’t there a quote that goes something like: There’s lies, damned lies, and statistics?
Stats alone can be more misleading than the YouTube videos that always make the strikers you are linked with look great… |  |
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| Update of our Ex players. on 16:33 - Dec 31 with 1709 views | GRIM |
| Update of our Ex players. on 16:08 - Dec 31 by Ron11 |
What's happened to scouts then....
Have they all but disappeared? |
Those highly paid scouts are probably doing the same as the rest of the world by working from home behind a computer screen.
Computers only provide data & all you get from computers is rubbish in rubbish out.
There no better way to assess a players attitude / temperament / ability than watching them in the flesh.
Most clubs are signing players without having seen them play or spoken to them personally, it's all done via players biased agents who only have one priority & that is making money.
In what other occupation would you deal with an agent to appoint a person. | | | |
| Update of our Ex players. on 16:51 - Dec 31 with 1695 views | SaintNick |
| Update of our Ex players. on 12:30 - Dec 31 by Berber |
The whole notion of clubs doing their homework about players seems to have gone out of the window. I think most scouts only follow the prospects that the stats from FM and the like throw up. Whether players have the grit and determination required doesn’t seem to get considered. Man U have bought a load of flakey Prima Donnas in the past few seasons, whilst we seem to have bought in too many 70% ers.
This is the kind of thing that happens when new owners ( and the Yanks are the absolute worst) think that their skills set can be applied to any business. |
Saints like all clubs of our level have an extensive scouting network, they combine that with the computer data etc when they assess players.
They assess them over a period of time and watch them closely
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The problem is with the likes of Salisu & ABK, they were playing in Leagues below the standard of the Premier League and young lads who were keeping their heads down, when they got hear they found it a different story. |  |
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| Update of our Ex players. on 17:21 - Dec 31 with 1667 views | grumpy |
| Update of our Ex players. on 16:51 - Dec 31 by SaintNick |
Saints like all clubs of our level have an extensive scouting network, they combine that with the computer data etc when they assess players.
They assess them over a period of time and watch them closely
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The problem is with the likes of Salisu & ABK, they were playing in Leagues below the standard of the Premier League and young lads who were keeping their heads down, when they got hear they found it a different story. |
Bella Kotchap was playing in the Bundesliga before joining Saints, I wouldn't have said that league was below the Premier League .He was picked or the German National side in September 2022.
The problem last season wasn't so much the players as the Managers. |  | | |
| Update of our Ex players. on 17:27 - Dec 31 with 1660 views | GRIM |
| Update of our Ex players. on 17:21 - Dec 31 by grumpy |
Bella Kotchap was playing in the Bundesliga before joining Saints, I wouldn't have said that league was below the Premier League .He was picked or the German National side in September 2022.
The problem last season wasn't so much the players as the Managers. |
You're quite Grumps the main problem was our inadequate managers last season but I also think we had a lot of players that were not committed in the club, they just saw it as an opportunity to play in Premier Lge. | | | |
| Update of our Ex players. on 17:38 - Dec 31 with 1648 views | grumpy |
| Update of our Ex players. on 17:27 - Dec 31 by GRIM |
You're quite Grumps the main problem was our inadequate managers last season but I also think we had a lot of players that were not committed in the club, they just saw it as an opportunity to play in Premier Lge. |
I agree Grim but its the Managers job to sort that nonsense out. | | | |
| Update of our Ex players. on 18:16 - Dec 31 with 1611 views | SaintNick |
| Update of our Ex players. on 17:21 - Dec 31 by grumpy |
Bella Kotchap was playing in the Bundesliga before joining Saints, I wouldn't have said that league was below the Premier League .He was picked or the German National side in September 2022.
The problem last season wasn't so much the players as the Managers. |
Take out Bayern Munich and to a lesser degree Dortmund and the rest of the Bundesliga isn't all that, its also less well paid, perhaps it is the money for some of these players, once they have a long contract on good money they lose some of the desire | |
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| Update of our Ex players. on 18:32 - Dec 31 with 1576 views | grumpy |
| Update of our Ex players. on 18:16 - Dec 31 by SaintNick |
Take out Bayern Munich and to a lesser degree Dortmund and the rest of the Bundesliga isn't all that, its also less well paid, perhaps it is the money for some of these players, once they have a long contract on good money they lose some of the desire |
Leverkusen,Stuttgart,RB Leizig,E. Frankfurt are good sides.
Bundesliga is a strong league. | | | |
| Update of our Ex players. on 19:18 - Dec 31 with 1529 views | hedgeend61 |
| Update of our Ex players. on 22:19 - Dec 30 by GRIM |
I stand corrected, you're right we sold both Salisu & Diallo, I reckon that was good business.
I forget about Nathan Tella, we sold him & he's only managed 6 games.
To date the combined number of games that all of those players have managed at their new clubs is a dozen.
We've not missed any of them. |
Plenty more we haven't missed,
Mohammed Salisu (£12.9m, Monaco)
Mohamed Elyounoussi (released)
Theo Walcott (retired)
Caleb Watts (released)
Dan N'Lundulu (undisclosed, Bolton Wanderers)
Nico Lawrence (loan, Colchester United)
Kegs Chauke (free, Burton Albion)
Mislav Orsic (undisclosed, Trabzonspor)
Mateusz Lis (loan, Goztepe SK)
Ibrahima Diallo (undisclosed, Al-Duhail)
Matthew Hall (free, Bristol Rovers)
Duje Caleta-Car (loan, Lyon)
Tino Livramento (£32m, Newcastle United)
James Ward-Prowse (£30m, West Ham United)
Romeo Lavia (£58m, Chelsea)
Nathan Tella (undisclosed, Bayer Leverkusen)
Romain Perraud (loan, Nice)
Lyanco (loan, Al Gharafa)
Kazeem Olaigbe (undisclosed, Cercle Bruges)
Ryan Finnigan (loan, Shrewsbury Town)
Dom Ballard (loan, Reading)
Moussa Djenepo (£3m, Standard Liege)
Paul Onuachu (undisclosed, Trabzonspor)
Armel Bella-Kotchap (loan, PSV Eindhoven)
Southampton total received to date: £105.9m
So out of these 24, 3 are PL level standard (and Tino didn't play 22-23), and only JWP gets a game every week, most of the above competition winners we couldn't even give away, most hardly feature in lesser leagues.
If a novice like me can see they're useless watching them play live, wtf are our paid scouts watching?
Not many teams can spend 150m and make the team worse, apart from Chelsea. |  | | |
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