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Labour.Day of shame for the party on 21:51 - Nov 1 by trampie
It is referred to as a war but war was never declared by either side.
So, as it was clearly a war instigated by Argentina, and the UK took perfectly reasonable action to eject the Argentinian military....you are reduced to pretending that a war did not in fact take place. It was a figment of our imagination folks!
This short exchange encapsulates why the Left's arguments fall down again and again. Irrational.
Labour.Day of shame for the party on 22:00 - Nov 1 by Kerouac
So, as it was clearly a war instigated by Argentina, and the UK took perfectly reasonable action to eject the Argentinian military....you are reduced to pretending that a war did not in fact take place. It was a figment of our imagination folks!
This short exchange encapsulates why the Left's arguments fall down again and again. Irrational.
Argentina thought it was theirs and they took back what they thought was theirs, we attacked them with out declaring war according to them.
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Labour.Day of shame for the party on 22:14 - Nov 1 by trampie
Argentina thought it was theirs and they took back what they thought was theirs, we attacked them with out declaring war according to them.
I think you'll find the Argentinians attacked the Islands first and captured a detachment of Royal Marines but not before taking casualties . so did we invite them or did they come unannounced except for the scrap dealers they used as part of the "plan""
The UN condemned the act with Resolution 5021 which demanded an immediate cessation of hostilities; you know the ones where armed forces from another sovereign state "invade" and start a armed conflict and the other side defends its self
2. Demands an immediate withdrawal of all Argentine forces from the Falkland Islands , why would they do that if they thought it belonged to the Argentinians .
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Labour.Day of shame for the party on 00:30 - Nov 2 with 910 views
Labour.Day of shame for the party on 00:02 - Nov 2 by Boundy
I think you'll find the Argentinians attacked the Islands first and captured a detachment of Royal Marines but not before taking casualties . so did we invite them or did they come unannounced except for the scrap dealers they used as part of the "plan""
The UN condemned the act with Resolution 5021 which demanded an immediate cessation of hostilities; you know the ones where armed forces from another sovereign state "invade" and start a armed conflict and the other side defends its self
2. Demands an immediate withdrawal of all Argentine forces from the Falkland Islands , why would they do that if they thought it belonged to the Argentinians .
Your post is on the button BUT...
Thatcher withdrew UK citizenship rights for the Islanders and did a few other things that signalled to the world that the UK did not see the islanders as British going forward. All Argentina needed to do was wait a couple of years whilst they extended tradeing with the islands and eventually the islands would have been reliant on Argentina and a soft coup was an inevitability.
Unfortunately, from an Argentine point of view, the military Junta were in deep shit at home and wanted to get the people to rally together and the "retaking of the islands" was their plan. This offered Thatcher, who herself had awful popularity at that time, a chance to show "strong leadership" and liberate the islands from Argentina.
The rest is history.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
Labour.Day of shame for the party on 22:00 - Nov 1 by Kerouac
So, as it was clearly a war instigated by Argentina, and the UK took perfectly reasonable action to eject the Argentinian military....you are reduced to pretending that a war did not in fact take place. It was a figment of our imagination folks!
This short exchange encapsulates why the Left's arguments fall down again and again. Irrational.
I do think of it as a war, just it was an undeclared war, the Argies thought they had a claim but shouldn't have invaded and suffered the consequences as a result.
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Labour.Day of shame for the party on 00:30 - Nov 2 by DJack
Your post is on the button BUT...
Thatcher withdrew UK citizenship rights for the Islanders and did a few other things that signalled to the world that the UK did not see the islanders as British going forward. All Argentina needed to do was wait a couple of years whilst they extended tradeing with the islands and eventually the islands would have been reliant on Argentina and a soft coup was an inevitability.
Unfortunately, from an Argentine point of view, the military Junta were in deep shit at home and wanted to get the people to rally together and the "retaking of the islands" was their plan. This offered Thatcher, who herself had awful popularity at that time, a chance to show "strong leadership" and liberate the islands from Argentina.
The rest is history.
I don't think there are any direct quotations linking Thatcher to your claim , there were mutterings within her cabinet of handing the islands over to prevent a incident like this occurring . Over the previous 15 years, "successive British Governments had held a series of meetings with the Argentine Government to discuss the dispute. In many of these meetings elected representatives of the islanders have taken part. We have always made it clear that their wishes were paramount and that there would be no change in sovereignty without their consent and without the approval of the House" Taken from Hansard " Members of her Cabinet were divided with toad faced Kenneth Clarke, then a junior minister, stating he “hopes nobody thinks we are going to fight the Argentinians. We should blow up a few ships, but nothing more.” One of his aides said: “His actual view was that he supported the invasion and very much hoped that there wasn’t going to be a full-scale war with Argentina.”
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Labour.Day of shame for the party on 09:51 - Nov 2 with 853 views
Labour.Day of shame for the party on 09:51 - Nov 2 by chad
Seems we will be waiting a long time for the answer to this one
Peculiar way of thinking isn't it. The people who think the UK were morally in the wrong for engaging Argentina in the Falklands war will, in the next breath, claim that Israel are evil for occupying "palestine"...apparently the 'thought they had a claim' argument doesn't wash when it is Jews making the claim.
I have concluded that to be 'Left' past the age of 40 is a very peculiar way of thinking indeed. Most of us acquire wisdom as we go.
Labour.Day of shame for the party on 22:14 - Nov 1 by trampie
Argentina thought it was theirs and they took back what they thought was theirs, we attacked them with out declaring war according to them.
They attacked the falkland without declaring war that is an act of war in itself therefore war was declared by their actions no other action other than to kick them out by force which the UK did. The United nations backed that action. The United nations also states that the people of the Falklands have the right to self determination.
Guess you did not approve of the action of the USA when the Japanese bombed pearl harbour without declaring war.
Labour.Day of shame for the party on 09:10 - Nov 3 by felixstowe_jack
They attacked the falkland without declaring war that is an act of war in itself therefore war was declared by their actions no other action other than to kick them out by force which the UK did. The United nations backed that action. The United nations also states that the people of the Falklands have the right to self determination.
Guess you did not approve of the action of the USA when the Japanese bombed pearl harbour without declaring war.
I certainly would have approved of us allowing the Japanese attack to take place, big picture and all that.
Continually being banned by Planet Swans for Porthcawl and then being reinstated.
A_Fans_Dad I don't think you knew what I was getting at, there is a school of thought that we knew the attack was coming due to our spy network and figured it would bring America into the war on our side if we turned a blind eye, we were right up against it and was desperate and apparently we had asked the Yanks to fight the good fight alongside us numerous times but to no avail.
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Labour.Day of shame for the party on 18:22 - Oct 29 by onehunglow
Jewish people have a strong family unit, work hard at school,go to uni,get job,tart a business and work even harder at it.I mean the barstards .They also do not scrounge off the state,save for their old age, and normally their kids do not cause the havoc other religious adherents do. They also tend not to breed kids that get pregnant asap so the state can look after them I have enormous respect for their industry and family unit. If all of us followed
What you posted Ken is beneath you. You're better than that
Just been having a read through this thread. Some interesting points made. The irony of this post made me chuckle although I suspect it will be lost on the poster.
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