| Welsh independence march in caerdydd 17:43 - May 11 with 16604 views | CwmafanJack |
Upwards of 2,000 turned up for the first march in support of independence. Not a bad start. Was great to see so many welsh and owain glyndwr flags in our capital. |  |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 17:56 - May 15 with 2070 views | valleyboy |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 17:34 - May 15 by Kilkennyjack |
Our nation Wales gets more out than it puts in.
This because Westmonster made Wales poor enough to qualify for EU monies.
The new investment will help Wales.
Its not hard to understand. |
The only ones that made wales poor was the people themselves, helped by a Labour Assembly that want to keep people poor
Merthyr Tydfil
The capital town for benefits
Not only in Wales
But the whole of the United Kingdom
Through football and different forums. I have met a lot of Welsh professional people. That have gone to England and will not come back to Wales, as there’s nothing here to attract them back
Yes there’s exception to the rule as Uxbridge will tell you. But he is a minority. A single minority at that
England don’t want failed accountants | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 18:43 - May 15 with 2051 views | sg1912 |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 17:34 - May 15 by Kilkennyjack |
Our nation Wales gets more out than it puts in.
This because Westmonster made Wales poor enough to qualify for EU monies.
The new investment will help Wales.
Its not hard to understand. |
EU money, is our money.
I get you’re young and probably don’t pay taxes, therefore you’re unable to comprehend the value of money..
Maybe when you start working you can send me 50% of your wages and I will give you 20% back, I’m generous like that..  | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 19:02 - May 15 with 2039 views | union_jack |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 00:45 - May 15 by valleyboy |
So double the estimate to 3000
That’s still less than 10% of the population of Wales
You still have no chance of independence
Only dull ones like you, think that Wales could go it alone
Take the Swansea City deal for example
And look at the stupid ideas put forward for that
No wonder that they are thinking of pulling it in
For a country to improve. You need to improve education
Considering Wales is the lowest of the low in education
Without a good educated population.
You are never going to attract the modern industries to survive
Fords will be gone in a years time and Port Talbot will close in the not to distant future
Talk about people with their heads up their backsides
You must be one of them |
Well all I hope is that when education in Wales is discussed they prioritise that students are taught how to construct sentences properly and where or where not. To place a full. Stop!!
Apart from that, I tend to agree with you though. |  |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 19:13 - May 15 with 2034 views | Groo |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 17:34 - May 15 by Kilkennyjack |
Our nation Wales gets more out than it puts in.
This because Westmonster made Wales poor enough to qualify for EU monies.
The new investment will help Wales.
Its not hard to understand. |
Am I writing in invisible ink?
If Wales left the Union, Wales would not just join the EU seamlessly.
Wales would have to apply and wait for membership which could take up to 30 years.
So Wales would get NO EU Money, at all, for a very long time.
Spain would oppose entry. |  |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 20:43 - May 15 with 2001 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 19:13 - May 15 by Groo |
Am I writing in invisible ink?
If Wales left the Union, Wales would not just join the EU seamlessly.
Wales would have to apply and wait for membership which could take up to 30 years.
So Wales would get NO EU Money, at all, for a very long time.
Spain would oppose entry. |
Well there are facts and there opinions.
Factually Wales is a net beneficiary from the EU.
Thats not a good thing, but its a fact the Wales is so poor it qualifies for funding.
To be clear that means the Westmonster govt has failed Wales, and the EU is trying to address the stark inequality.
Alternatively u could open your fecking eyes and walk around Swansea.
Your opinion is that Spain will block Wales and Scotland rejoining, if we cant stop Brexit.
My opinion is that the whole of the EU would welcome Scotland, Wales and a newly united Ireland with open arms. The Scottish MEP said it perfectly ‘leave a light on so we can find our way home’.
England will rejoin the EU anyway as the young people hate Brexit. Its a pensioner Brexit.
End London rule for Cymru. |  |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 21:51 - May 15 with 1974 views | sg1912 |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 20:43 - May 15 by Kilkennyjack |
Well there are facts and there opinions.
Factually Wales is a net beneficiary from the EU.
Thats not a good thing, but its a fact the Wales is so poor it qualifies for funding.
To be clear that means the Westmonster govt has failed Wales, and the EU is trying to address the stark inequality.
Alternatively u could open your fecking eyes and walk around Swansea.
Your opinion is that Spain will block Wales and Scotland rejoining, if we cant stop Brexit.
My opinion is that the whole of the EU would welcome Scotland, Wales and a newly united Ireland with open arms. The Scottish MEP said it perfectly ‘leave a light on so we can find our way home’.
England will rejoin the EU anyway as the young people hate Brexit. Its a pensioner Brexit.
End London rule for Cymru. |
Spanish, Greek and Italian youngsters love the EU too..
You will be competing for low end jobs like car valeting and meatpacking in England and Germany if you got your way. | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 21:56 - May 15 with 1963 views | Uxbridge |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 19:13 - May 15 by Groo |
Am I writing in invisible ink?
If Wales left the Union, Wales would not just join the EU seamlessly.
Wales would have to apply and wait for membership which could take up to 30 years.
So Wales would get NO EU Money, at all, for a very long time.
Spain would oppose entry. |
If the UK leaves the EU beforehand then there's be a period before joining. If not, and that's looking likely, then not necessarily.
Best result all round, England leaves the Union and leaves the rump UK in the EU. Everyone's a winner ... |  |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 22:03 - May 15 with 1954 views | longlostjack |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 21:56 - May 15 by Uxbridge |
If the UK leaves the EU beforehand then there's be a period before joining. If not, and that's looking likely, then not necessarily.
Best result all round, England leaves the Union and leaves the rump UK in the EU. Everyone's a winner ... |
Exactly! |  |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 22:10 - May 15 with 1949 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 21:56 - May 15 by Uxbridge |
If the UK leaves the EU beforehand then there's be a period before joining. If not, and that's looking likely, then not necessarily.
Best result all round, England leaves the Union and leaves the rump UK in the EU. Everyone's a winner ... |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 23:04 - May 15 with 1928 views | Highjack |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 21:56 - May 15 by Uxbridge |
If the UK leaves the EU beforehand then there's be a period before joining. If not, and that's looking likely, then not necessarily.
Best result all round, England leaves the Union and leaves the rump UK in the EU. Everyone's a winner ... |
Hopefully there’d be a referendum on joining and we’d soundly reject it. |  |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 23:18 - May 15 with 1918 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 23:04 - May 15 by Highjack |
Hopefully there’d be a referendum on joining and we’d soundly reject it. |
We’re not having that.
We demand a people’s vote. |  |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 23:46 - May 15 with 1905 views | Jack59 |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 20:27 - May 13 by blaenaugwentjack |
I went along with a load of us from Blaenau Gwent, met up with loads from South East Wales, Caerphilly, Islwyn,Newport. Great to see a few Monmouthshire flags there from our near neighbours. Great atmosphere down there, reminded me of Wales in the euro,s. I would guess that about 3000 or so turned out, absolutely blown away by how many turned up, and as it,s been said on here only 300 or so attended the first Scottish march. WE ARE ON OUR WAY. |
Can you please tell me How much Objective One money has been claimed by the Welsh Government, specifically meant for deprived areas in South West Wales?
And can you tell me where the money went?
The only improvement in Wales in the last 20 years has been in the pockets of the Assembly members, and all the associated staff.
My advice to you is to forget the flags, the songs, and the nonsense you'll hear at the rally's and start doing some basic mathematics. | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 11:47 - May 16 with 1838 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 23:46 - May 15 by Jack59 |
Can you please tell me How much Objective One money has been claimed by the Welsh Government, specifically meant for deprived areas in South West Wales?
And can you tell me where the money went?
The only improvement in Wales in the last 20 years has been in the pockets of the Assembly members, and all the associated staff.
My advice to you is to forget the flags, the songs, and the nonsense you'll hear at the rally's and start doing some basic mathematics. |
That is total bollox.
First question - in a prosperous UK, why is Wales so poor that it qualifies for EU funding ? Go on have a go at that one. | |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 11:56 - May 16 with 1836 views | valleyboy |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 23:46 - May 15 by Jack59 |
Can you please tell me How much Objective One money has been claimed by the Welsh Government, specifically meant for deprived areas in South West Wales?
And can you tell me where the money went?
The only improvement in Wales in the last 20 years has been in the pockets of the Assembly members, and all the associated staff.
My advice to you is to forget the flags, the songs, and the nonsense you'll hear at the rally's and start doing some basic mathematics. |
The first lot of Objective One money was controlled and authorised by the Welsh Assembly
Where this money went??L
Only the Welsh Assembly knows, as they were not prepared to publish where it went
For the first time ever, when money had been given to help communities it was supposed to help.
Instead of the GDP improving it dropped
And who was in government with Labour at that time
Plaid Cymru | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 13:58 - May 16 with 1805 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 11:56 - May 16 by valleyboy |
The first lot of Objective One money was controlled and authorised by the Welsh Assembly
Where this money went??L
Only the Welsh Assembly knows, as they were not prepared to publish where it went
For the first time ever, when money had been given to help communities it was supposed to help.
Instead of the GDP improving it dropped
And who was in government with Labour at that time
Plaid Cymru |
Its strange to see a welshman arguing that money provided to help develop Wales is somehow not a good thing. Bizarre.
Here is £2.8 billion from wales going into england. Hello ?
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 00:14 - May 17 with 1741 views | Jack59 |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 11:47 - May 16 by Kilkennyjack |
That is total bollox.
First question - in a prosperous UK, why is Wales so poor that it qualifies for EU funding ? Go on have a go at that one. |
Not all of the UK is prosperous. There are regions in England that are still struggling after the closures of shipyards, steelworks, motor assembly plants, mines and other heavy industries. These regions in England, who incidentally also qualified for similar EU funding, mirror the economic degradation of South Wales for the very same reasons.
These industries sustained the industrial heartlands of England and Wales for a hundred years, and as China, India, and other nations expand their industry, they regrettably cause the inevitable contraction of ours. | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 00:58 - May 17 with 1734 views | Highjack |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 11:47 - May 16 by Kilkennyjack |
That is total bollox.
First question - in a prosperous UK, why is Wales so poor that it qualifies for EU funding ? Go on have a go at that one. |
It’s been run by labour for 100 years. Next question? | |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 07:32 - May 17 with 1695 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 00:14 - May 17 by Jack59 |
Not all of the UK is prosperous. There are regions in England that are still struggling after the closures of shipyards, steelworks, motor assembly plants, mines and other heavy industries. These regions in England, who incidentally also qualified for similar EU funding, mirror the economic degradation of South Wales for the very same reasons.
These industries sustained the industrial heartlands of England and Wales for a hundred years, and as China, India, and other nations expand their industry, they regrettably cause the inevitable contraction of ours. |
Firstly thank you taking the time to answer.
You are right about some of Englands regions, but 2 wrongs do not make a right.
Please see this chart to see the the UK is not normal and frankly we should not just accept it as inevitable. Its not.
As regards the rest of the world developing then that is inevitable. Yes it brings increased competition but it also brings greatly increased demand with more opportunities for all. You have to roll with it because its reality. You might think technology and innovation is our real advantage rather than a static market share which will only ever be a point in time. | |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 07:37 - May 17 with 1693 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 00:58 - May 17 by Highjack |
It’s been run by labour for 100 years. Next question? |
The last 100 years has seen the Tory party making the vast majority of the political decisions that have impacted Wales.
Wales voted Labour but got Tory governments.
The Tory party is accountable for inequality in the UK. | |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 09:17 - May 17 with 1682 views | johnlangy |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 00:58 - May 17 by Highjack |
It’s been run by labour for 100 years. Next question? |
Did you think before typing that ? | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 10:32 - May 17 with 1668 views | costalotta |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 23:46 - May 15 by Jack59 |
Can you please tell me How much Objective One money has been claimed by the Welsh Government, specifically meant for deprived areas in South West Wales?
And can you tell me where the money went?
The only improvement in Wales in the last 20 years has been in the pockets of the Assembly members, and all the associated staff.
My advice to you is to forget the flags, the songs, and the nonsense you'll hear at the rally's and start doing some basic mathematics. |
I am no fan of the Assembly but FFS. Are you blind?
Ljnk/fast Roads & Infrastructure for one. Actually i could go on about this as i have direct experience and have been part of a few initiatives. One around 2004 which was rolled (edit removed 'ruled') out in the valleys and in and around Swansea was a huge success. Because of the EU funding, it also attracted funding, skills and much more from BT, several universities etc. Transformed the life of many people with access to tech courses, infra provided, connecting the valleys etc. Pr the first set of foreign language sites provided and paid for by EU funding that allowed our businesses to access various markets across the GLOBE!!!! And theres been so many more, i really could go on.
You need to open your eyes and actually travel around Wales, or rather from Wales into England and you can see the money the EU has spent on infrastructure in Wales. That infrastructure has helped my business. In fact, because of that we are better placed to compete, stay within Wales (not having to move to England), Make access to educated and skilled workers easier.
My advice is to open your mind, perhaps...no definitely retake mathematics! Oh and look at the possibilities. [Post edited 17 May 2019 10:40]
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 12:07 - May 17 with 1641 views | costalotta |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 11:56 - May 16 by valleyboy |
The first lot of Objective One money was controlled and authorised by the Welsh Assembly
Where this money went??L
Only the Welsh Assembly knows, as they were not prepared to publish where it went
For the first time ever, when money had been given to help communities it was supposed to help.
Instead of the GDP improving it dropped
And who was in government with Labour at that time
Plaid Cymru |
Not a clue, nothing. No lights on in your head just a darkness.
Heads of valleys ring any bells? Why do you need the Welsh Assembly to tell you where EU money is spent. What are ART (EU Funding for access to masters) Or CCC (EU money for infrastructure and connecting the valleys), Or Help Wales - Funding to get welsh companies online.
Its not that the welsh assembly are not telling you, Its you having ears and eyes closed, your talking too much and not allowing yourself to experience listening and acquire accurate information and knowledge. But there again.......... Y o u A r e S t u c k I n Y o u r W a y s a remnant, and a lost soul. | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 14:42 - May 17 with 1615 views | valleyboy |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 12:07 - May 17 by costalotta |
Not a clue, nothing. No lights on in your head just a darkness.
Heads of valleys ring any bells? Why do you need the Welsh Assembly to tell you where EU money is spent. What are ART (EU Funding for access to masters) Or CCC (EU money for infrastructure and connecting the valleys), Or Help Wales - Funding to get welsh companies online.
Its not that the welsh assembly are not telling you, Its you having ears and eyes closed, your talking too much and not allowing yourself to experience listening and acquire accurate information and knowledge. But there again.......... Y o u A r e S t u c k I n Y o u r W a y s a remnant, and a lost soul. |
I know it might just be the daily mail, but something similar was posted in the Telegraph
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2121916/How-waste-6-billion-story-Wal | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 14:57 - May 17 with 1609 views | costalotta |
Yeah you can find all sorts of stuff like that in the Daily Mail. Speaks volumes that you are using that as source of your information. Says it all. | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 19:10 - May 17 with 1583 views | Jackarmy777 |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 18:08 - May 11 by exiledclaseboy |
It’s inevitable eventually. It’s a couple of generations away yet though. |
I see you are still making ridiculous political statements, I’ll file Welsh independence is inevitable, in with the other ridiculous statements you previously have made - 2015 general election, Donald Trump and the result of the Brexit referendum........  | | | |
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