| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 12:13 - Aug 29 with 2790 views | Spratty |
But perhaps not so great that all the stat he quoted really tells you is how many went through the turnstiles from 15 mins before KO (unless I missed the advanced queueing theory lectures)
Maybe they had been queueing up for hours or like Dyfnant their ticket not working even after queueing to get it corrected.
Never mind just blame that on the fans being dishonest trying to print off multiple tickets whilst paying for 1. Which is fraud not stupidity.
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| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 12:30 - Aug 29 with 2763 views | MattG |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 12:07 - Aug 29 by Flashberryjack |
Thanks for your sympathetic response, I wish everyone that isn't affected by these in your face led boards responded in the same manner.
If they are here to stay,then maybe it won't be long before they are extended to other parts of the ground, I wonder what parts of the ground those dissatisfied fans will be relocated to by Mr Dineen
Other than us, there are only 2 clubs in Europe that subject their fans to flashing advertising boards that directly face them.
Unfortunately our club are prepared to do so, without knowing the implications or side affects they may have on the fans they purport to represent, in a few years the club could be facing litigation should it be proven that damage may have been done to fans that have had the misfortune to have their eyesight bombarded with flashing lights, maybe time for the HS executive to get involved. |
100% agree that if there are any health risks associated with the boards then they should be switched off but presumably, given the occasional warnings on TV about flashing images, they must be safe.
And if, as LD suggests, the intention is to make them less conspicuous by reducing the brightness, hopefully they will become much less of an issue. |  | | |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 12:32 - Aug 29 with 2757 views | eddie71 |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 11:39 - Aug 29 by Flashberryjack |
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From Twitter
"Eleven Sports Media (@ElevenSports_)
23/08/2014 12:14
Today we introduce only the 3rd crowd-facing LED system in Europe at @SwansOfficial. We hope fans + sponsors enjoy the interactive platform."
Says it all really. Eleven were the main "advertiser" on the wretched boards.
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From the SCFC guest book |
Yeah there's probably a reason other clubs haven't done it. It would be because its a stupid idea that shows a total lack of respect. If they are hoping fans enjoy the interactive platform (which clearly the dont give a toss about) they have a disappointment coming. If they tried that at West Ham or Leeds they wouldnt have lasted the first half of the first game. |  | | |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 12:41 - Aug 29 with 2730 views | Spratty |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 12:30 - Aug 29 by MattG |
100% agree that if there are any health risks associated with the boards then they should be switched off but presumably, given the occasional warnings on TV about flashing images, they must be safe.
And if, as LD suggests, the intention is to make them less conspicuous by reducing the brightness, hopefully they will become much less of an issue. |
They said asbestos was safe.
There are clearly recognised heath issues associated with flashing lights especially when continually in the viewline. You don't have to be a genius to work out this would seriously detract from the enjoyment of those in front of them. As someone said if they are OK the Board should lead by example and sit right in front of them.
I am not affected by them but understand how upset I would be if these had been placed right in front of my seat with no consultation or consideration. If there was fan consultation on things that might considerably affect ticket holders then it would stop a lot of these things becoming an issue in the first place. | | | |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 12:41 - Aug 29 with 2724 views | ApeShit |
How the f*ck are these advertising boards interactive?? |  | | |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 12:44 - Aug 29 with 2715 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 11:39 - Aug 29 by Flashberryjack |
40 minutes ago Host: 188.29.48.105.threembb.co.uk
From Twitter
"Eleven Sports Media (@ElevenSports_)
23/08/2014 12:14
Today we introduce only the 3rd crowd-facing LED system in Europe at @SwansOfficial. We hope fans + sponsors enjoy the interactive platform."
Says it all really. Eleven were the main "advertiser" on the wretched boards.
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From the SCFC guest book |
this is the sort of thing I just don't understand. They describe it as an 'interactive platform' but it's just advertising. Why would fans 'enjoy' advertising. It's not like everyone sits there saying 'oh fantastic - I love that ad for low cost van rentals' (or similar).
I mean, what could there possibly be to 'enjoy'. I realise that it is just marketing speak, but it's just completely stupid.
I also don't really understand how it can make much money. Surely companies don't pay that much for advertising to a few thousand people that are trying to ignore it anyway? | | | |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 12:46 - Aug 29 with 2706 views | tomdickharry |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 12:30 - Aug 29 by MattG |
100% agree that if there are any health risks associated with the boards then they should be switched off but presumably, given the occasional warnings on TV about flashing images, they must be safe.
And if, as LD suggests, the intention is to make them less conspicuous by reducing the brightness, hopefully they will become much less of an issue. |
In view of the possible safety to health associated with flashing lights wonder if the club or Swansea City Council has carried out an appropriate H & S risk assessment excercise.Pond to a penny they haven't. | | | |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 12:56 - Aug 29 with 2683 views | MattG |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 12:46 - Aug 29 by tomdickharry |
In view of the possible safety to health associated with flashing lights wonder if the club or Swansea City Council has carried out an appropriate H & S risk assessment excercise.Pond to a penny they haven't. |
My assumption, possibly incorrect, was that the boards themselves would have to be tested for safety prior to being put on the market.
Then again, I suppose it's more to do with what's shown on them, in which case the Club are, to some degree, in control - i.e. they *could* refuse to show certain adverts if they were considered to be a risk. | | | |
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| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 12:59 - Aug 29 with 2676 views | sa3swan |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 12:44 - Aug 29 by londonlisa2001 |
this is the sort of thing I just don't understand. They describe it as an 'interactive platform' but it's just advertising. Why would fans 'enjoy' advertising. It's not like everyone sits there saying 'oh fantastic - I love that ad for low cost van rentals' (or similar).
I mean, what could there possibly be to 'enjoy'. I realise that it is just marketing speak, but it's just completely stupid.
I also don't really understand how it can make much money. Surely companies don't pay that much for advertising to a few thousand people that are trying to ignore it anyway? |
The crowd facing boards will be making no more than £10k for the club. And that's probably an exaggeration.
£70m from the Prem League and still the decision is made that it's worth obscuring hundreds of paying fans' views to generate (relative) peanuts in income.
It's a friggin disgrace. | | | |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 13:01 - Aug 29 with 2673 views | westside |
astonished by the walk up for rotherham 
embarrassing |  | | |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 13:07 - Aug 29 with 2654 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 12:59 - Aug 29 by sa3swan |
The crowd facing boards will be making no more than £10k for the club. And that's probably an exaggeration.
£70m from the Prem League and still the decision is made that it's worth obscuring hundreds of paying fans' views to generate (relative) peanuts in income.
It's a friggin disgrace. |
yes - I wouldn't think they'd make much.
Obviously the ones facing out (i.e. towards the TV cameras) are completely different - you can see why they are used and make a lot of money, but facing the crowd?? | | | |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 13:08 - Aug 29 with 2649 views | Darran |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 12:59 - Aug 29 by sa3swan |
The crowd facing boards will be making no more than £10k for the club. And that's probably an exaggeration.
£70m from the Prem League and still the decision is made that it's worth obscuring hundreds of paying fans' views to generate (relative) peanuts in income.
It's a friggin disgrace. |
Probably makes much more more than that. |  |
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| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 13:17 - Aug 29 with 2626 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 13:08 - Aug 29 by Darran |
Probably makes much more more than that. |
It can't be that much though surely? Even if it's £50k that's really not very much given the irritation.
I realise that with a lot of this stuff, it calms down and people forget and the club still gets the money so all's well, but it does in this case seem strange. To be honest, if it was a good idea, I can't help but feel that the 'big' clubs with huge commercial departments and a lot of commercial savvy would have already started doing it.
The fact that they don't do it at, for example, Old Trafford or the Emirates (which would generate much much bigger revenue streams, because of the sheer number of people) suggests that it is really not a good idea. | | | |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 13:17 - Aug 29 with 2624 views | sa3swan |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 13:08 - Aug 29 by Darran |
Probably makes much more more than that. |
No chance, Darran. I worked in advertising for decades.
These are ads that will be seen by approx 10,000? people fortnightly. With no targeting other than that the potential viewers are Swans fans. That puts it in the same ballpark as a local paper ad, or at quite a stretch a Yellow Pages ad. Typical cost £250 per insertion.
And that's why the advertisers are all small local businesses. | | | |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 13:20 - Aug 29 with 2615 views | epaul |
I rang the ticket office and they told me they couldn't sell me a ticket because I had a London postcode and that I didn't have jackarmy account (I haven't renewed it this season) at the request of Chelsea FC.
I haven''t renewed as last season I didn't use it as enough mates had season''s etc and got me tickets giving them the points. However Chelsea ticket sorted |  |
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| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 13:53 - Aug 29 with 2586 views | MattG |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 13:17 - Aug 29 by sa3swan |
No chance, Darran. I worked in advertising for decades.
These are ads that will be seen by approx 10,000? people fortnightly. With no targeting other than that the potential viewers are Swans fans. That puts it in the same ballpark as a local paper ad, or at quite a stretch a Yellow Pages ad. Typical cost £250 per insertion.
And that's why the advertisers are all small local businesses. |
Are you talking £10k a game or £10k for the season?
If the latter then that makes the whole thing a complete joke - it'll probably take 5 years to pay off the cost of the boards themselves! | | | |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 14:16 - Aug 29 with 2545 views | jacksinceever |
I sent an email to the club this morning:
Dear Sir / Madam,
With regards to Leigh Dineen's response to customer concerns in the Evening Post, I have three seats in the front row of the South Stand, ( seats .......... )
As I have suffered from Epilepsy since 1988, which is currently controlled by medication, I have genuine concerns that continued exposure to flashing lights and bright images at a distance of approximately two metres may bring on an epileptic fit.
I would therefore appreciate it if you could please find me 3 South Stand seats to exchange my Season Tickets to with the utmost urgency.
Please feel free to call me to discuss this on
I received this reply:
Thank you for your e-mail & sorry to hear of the disruption. I wish to assure you that Swansea City FC are a club committed to its supporters & take very seriously every comment or complaint, especially where fan welfare is concerned.
We have been speaking with other Premier League clubs where crowd facing LED is used & over the coming weeks, following supporter feedback, we will be looking at the possibilities of both dimming the LED as well as producing a more static image.
Should you find the LED still to be obtrusive in a few weeks’ time, once we have made the necessary adjustments, then we would be happy to look into relocating you. In the meantime however, we wish to thank you for your patience & co-operation
So I have done as the article stated and contacted the cub with my concerns, to be iMO fobbed off.
Best to contact LD and see if he is true to his word .... [Post edited 29 Aug 2014 14:22]
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| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 14:20 - Aug 29 with 2542 views | sa3swan |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 13:53 - Aug 29 by MattG |
Are you talking £10k a game or £10k for the season?
If the latter then that makes the whole thing a complete joke - it'll probably take 5 years to pay off the cost of the boards themselves! |
The boards would be installed and maintained by elevensports media, but they would then take a cut of all revenue. I just hope that Swans haven't signed a contract with them that they now can't get out of. I fear that is probably the case though.
Revenue 10-20k max per season from the crowd-facing abominations.
All in my opinion. | | | |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 14:22 - Aug 29 with 2535 views | sa3swan |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 14:16 - Aug 29 by jacksinceever |
I sent an email to the club this morning:
Dear Sir / Madam,
With regards to Leigh Dineen's response to customer concerns in the Evening Post, I have three seats in the front row of the South Stand, ( seats .......... )
As I have suffered from Epilepsy since 1988, which is currently controlled by medication, I have genuine concerns that continued exposure to flashing lights and bright images at a distance of approximately two metres may bring on an epileptic fit.
I would therefore appreciate it if you could please find me 3 South Stand seats to exchange my Season Tickets to with the utmost urgency.
Please feel free to call me to discuss this on
I received this reply:
Thank you for your e-mail & sorry to hear of the disruption. I wish to assure you that Swansea City FC are a club committed to its supporters & take very seriously every comment or complaint, especially where fan welfare is concerned.
We have been speaking with other Premier League clubs where crowd facing LED is used & over the coming weeks, following supporter feedback, we will be looking at the possibilities of both dimming the LED as well as producing a more static image.
Should you find the LED still to be obtrusive in a few weeks’ time, once we have made the necessary adjustments, then we would be happy to look into relocating you. In the meantime however, we wish to thank you for your patience & co-operation
So I have done as the article stated and contacted the cub with my concerns, to be iMO fobbed off.
Best to contact LD and see if he is true to his word .... [Post edited 29 Aug 2014 14:22]
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That's a cut and paste response that has been sent to all complaints (that I am aware of). | | | |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 14:52 - Aug 29 with 2488 views | monmouth |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 14:16 - Aug 29 by jacksinceever |
I sent an email to the club this morning:
Dear Sir / Madam,
With regards to Leigh Dineen's response to customer concerns in the Evening Post, I have three seats in the front row of the South Stand, ( seats .......... )
As I have suffered from Epilepsy since 1988, which is currently controlled by medication, I have genuine concerns that continued exposure to flashing lights and bright images at a distance of approximately two metres may bring on an epileptic fit.
I would therefore appreciate it if you could please find me 3 South Stand seats to exchange my Season Tickets to with the utmost urgency.
Please feel free to call me to discuss this on
I received this reply:
Thank you for your e-mail & sorry to hear of the disruption. I wish to assure you that Swansea City FC are a club committed to its supporters & take very seriously every comment or complaint, especially where fan welfare is concerned.
We have been speaking with other Premier League clubs where crowd facing LED is used & over the coming weeks, following supporter feedback, we will be looking at the possibilities of both dimming the LED as well as producing a more static image.
Should you find the LED still to be obtrusive in a few weeks’ time, once we have made the necessary adjustments, then we would be happy to look into relocating you. In the meantime however, we wish to thank you for your patience & co-operation
So I have done as the article stated and contacted the cub with my concerns, to be iMO fobbed off.
Best to contact LD and see if he is true to his word .... [Post edited 29 Aug 2014 14:22]
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If you do want to move, don't forget to specify three seats together mate, or I suspect this tale may have a sequel..... |  |
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| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 14:55 - Aug 29 with 2480 views | fbreath |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 14:16 - Aug 29 by jacksinceever |
I sent an email to the club this morning:
Dear Sir / Madam,
With regards to Leigh Dineen's response to customer concerns in the Evening Post, I have three seats in the front row of the South Stand, ( seats .......... )
As I have suffered from Epilepsy since 1988, which is currently controlled by medication, I have genuine concerns that continued exposure to flashing lights and bright images at a distance of approximately two metres may bring on an epileptic fit.
I would therefore appreciate it if you could please find me 3 South Stand seats to exchange my Season Tickets to with the utmost urgency.
Please feel free to call me to discuss this on
I received this reply:
Thank you for your e-mail & sorry to hear of the disruption. I wish to assure you that Swansea City FC are a club committed to its supporters & take very seriously every comment or complaint, especially where fan welfare is concerned.
We have been speaking with other Premier League clubs where crowd facing LED is used & over the coming weeks, following supporter feedback, we will be looking at the possibilities of both dimming the LED as well as producing a more static image.
Should you find the LED still to be obtrusive in a few weeks’ time, once we have made the necessary adjustments, then we would be happy to look into relocating you. In the meantime however, we wish to thank you for your patience & co-operation
So I have done as the article stated and contacted the cub with my concerns, to be iMO fobbed off.
Best to contact LD and see if he is true to his word .... [Post edited 29 Aug 2014 14:22]
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So who are these other premier league clubs because according to post here earlier on the company who manage these boards, they have 3 clubs all together.
I would have thought that someone with a serious medical complaint like yours would get immediate attention, unless there is something in season tickets t&c's that say they are not responsible. |  |
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| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 14:59 - Aug 29 with 2462 views | monmouth |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 14:55 - Aug 29 by fbreath |
So who are these other premier league clubs because according to post here earlier on the company who manage these boards, they have 3 clubs all together.
I would have thought that someone with a serious medical complaint like yours would get immediate attention, unless there is something in season tickets t&c's that say they are not responsible. |
Now he's told them explicitly, I suspect there may well be an implied liability....in any case they can't ignore health and safety whatever is written down and they have effectively placed him in a potentially high risk situation by their unilateral actions. | |
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| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 15:02 - Aug 29 with 2453 views | Flashberryjack |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 14:55 - Aug 29 by fbreath |
So who are these other premier league clubs because according to post here earlier on the company who manage these boards, they have 3 clubs all together.
I would have thought that someone with a serious medical complaint like yours would get immediate attention, unless there is something in season tickets t&c's that say they are not responsible. |
Eleven sports media (whoever they are) say there are 3 clubs in Europe using their boards whilst facing the crowd.
Because they use the word Europe, the would lead me to believe that we are the only ones in the premier league doing so, or maybe the only club that Would dare to insult the intelligence of their fans. |  |
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| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 15:02 - Aug 29 with 2453 views | tomdickharry |
Bullshit response,e-mail the club back and ask for confirmation that a H & S Assessment has been carried out in respect of the ad boards. | | | |
| Leigh Dineen's Answers on 15:05 - Aug 29 with 2447 views | Flashberryjack |
How about we organise a chant to let the board and the advertisers know how much these board are detested.
Any budding composers on here ? | |
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