| The 20MPH punishments 08:34 - Aug 3 with 137259 views | SullutaCreturned |
Well the punishment for breaking the limit,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/police-confirm-how-punish-drivers-
Given how many idiots are on the roads, the delivery drivers under pressure and the actual difficutly in staying below 20 (it is difficult, I do it every week when I go to Cardiff and it's harder than you'd think, specially going downhill) there will be a lot of speeding going on.
The Senedd expect the fire brigade to become a road safety unit, how stupid is that? The fire brigade have their job and it's hard enough for them to do that the way the Senedd behaves.
Then there's the pollution problem, all those cars tootling around in second gear will fill the streets with pollution, it'll rise and rise and the few accidents stopped by this madness will be replaced tenfold and more in the years to come by serious health issues, those with asthma can look out, better buy your respirators now.
I wonder if cancers will also increase?
By the time we have all gone electric, assuming we all do, thousands of lives will be blighted by illness. |  | | |  |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:15 - Sep 25 with 1587 views | theloneranger |
"Wales' ambulance service will also be restricted to a maximum speed of 40mph (65km/h), rather than 50mph (80km/h), on 20mph (30km/h) roads, it has emerged, as policy means drivers are limited to going 20mph over the limit."
"... officers with the highest level of training were not restricted on speed when responding to emergencies, but "drivers who have a reduced level of training will drive to a maximum speed of 20mph above the posted the speed limit". |  |
| Everyday above ground ... Is a good day! 😎 |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 20:45 - Sep 25 with 1475 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:15 - Sep 25 by theloneranger |
"Wales' ambulance service will also be restricted to a maximum speed of 40mph (65km/h), rather than 50mph (80km/h), on 20mph (30km/h) roads, it has emerged, as policy means drivers are limited to going 20mph over the limit."
"... officers with the highest level of training were not restricted on speed when responding to emergencies, but "drivers who have a reduced level of training will drive to a maximum speed of 20mph above the posted the speed limit". |
To be fair, it doesn't really matter how fast an ambulance can go when they are all stuck outside A&E unable to transfer patients because the Welsh NHS has been run into the ground. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 07:51 - Sep 26 with 1408 views | felixstowe_jack |
Signatures calling for the disastrous 20mph law to be rescinded over 430,000.
Signatures calling for the Excellent 20mph to be kept 2,951 | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 10:39 - Sep 26 with 1359 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 07:51 - Sep 26 by felixstowe_jack |
Signatures calling for the disastrous 20mph law to be rescinded over 430,000.
Signatures calling for the Excellent 20mph to be kept 2,951 |
How is it disastrous, it's only just been implemented? You don't know how it's going to work out. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:18 - Sep 26 with 1258 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:39 - Sep 26 by controversial_jack |
How is it disastrous, it's only just been implemented? You don't know how it's going to work out. |
I am only repeating the title of the petition.
"We want the Welsh Government to rescind and remove the disastrous 20 mph law" signatures to date 432,397
The other petition for balance
"We want the Welsh Government to keep the excellent 20mph law" signatures to date 3049
Clearly 144 to 1 view it to be disastrous as compared to excellent. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 13:22 - Sep 26 with 1255 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:18 - Sep 26 by felixstowe_jack |
I am only repeating the title of the petition.
"We want the Welsh Government to rescind and remove the disastrous 20 mph law" signatures to date 432,397
The other petition for balance
"We want the Welsh Government to keep the excellent 20mph law" signatures to date 3049
Clearly 144 to 1 view it to be disastrous as compared to excellent. |
You do tend to repeat verbatim what you see, without giving it much thought. It can't be disastrous, as we haven't seen the outcome of it yet. At the moment it's pure speculation. How has it affected Spain with their 18 mph limit. It doesn't seen to have affected their tourism or investment
From what i have seen, the roads seem to be more orderly with no rushing around and risk taking | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:28 - Sep 26 with 1255 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:22 - Sep 26 by controversial_jack |
You do tend to repeat verbatim what you see, without giving it much thought. It can't be disastrous, as we haven't seen the outcome of it yet. At the moment it's pure speculation. How has it affected Spain with their 18 mph limit. It doesn't seen to have affected their tourism or investment
From what i have seen, the roads seem to be more orderly with no rushing around and risk taking |
You seem to repeat verbatim what you see as an opposite view without any evidence.
Spain has a population density half that of the UK so it not comparable. Drakeford often quotes the report from Belfast which concluded it had negligible effect on road safety .
You have also ignored of the reports on this site which states motorist are now having to overtake idiots driving at 20 mpjhin 30mph and 40 mph zones. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 14:06 - Sep 26 with 1233 views | controversial_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:28 - Sep 26 by felixstowe_jack |
You seem to repeat verbatim what you see as an opposite view without any evidence.
Spain has a population density half that of the UK so it not comparable. Drakeford often quotes the report from Belfast which concluded it had negligible effect on road safety .
You have also ignored of the reports on this site which states motorist are now having to overtake idiots driving at 20 mpjhin 30mph and 40 mph zones. |
Not sure what a population density has to do with driving in urban areas. An urban area is an urban area regardless of where it is. Motorways and dual carriageways are still the same speeds. Should motorists be overtaking in urban areas?
Yes, of course there will be confusion at first until motorists understand the system fully. It's like any change in how we behave it takes time.Look at decimal current, Brexit etc, all take time
I'm not in favour of it myself, but we should wait to see the results before calling it disastrous | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:09 - Sep 26 with 1234 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 13:28 - Sep 26 by felixstowe_jack |
You seem to repeat verbatim what you see as an opposite view without any evidence.
Spain has a population density half that of the UK so it not comparable. Drakeford often quotes the report from Belfast which concluded it had negligible effect on road safety .
You have also ignored of the reports on this site which states motorist are now having to overtake idiots driving at 20 mpjhin 30mph and 40 mph zones. |
Drove to St David’s yesterday afternoon and drove back this afternoon., granted that the majority of the journey was on non 20mph roads but, the areas that were 20mph people seemed to be driving sensibly to the limit and keeping a reasonable distance from the vehicle in front.
It seems to be sinking in down West. |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:25 - Sep 26 with 1203 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:09 - Sep 26 by lifelong |
Drove to St David’s yesterday afternoon and drove back this afternoon., granted that the majority of the journey was on non 20mph roads but, the areas that were 20mph people seemed to be driving sensibly to the limit and keeping a reasonable distance from the vehicle in front.
It seems to be sinking in down West. |
It's good to hear that the non Labour councils are using more sense when implementing the 20mph. Probably resulting in a lower percentage of signatures on the petition. |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 18:13 - Sep 26 with 1095 views | controversial_jack |
I've not seen any problems with this so far. Traffic seems to be moving well enough | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:46 - Sep 26 with 1060 views | Flashberryjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 18:13 - Sep 26 by controversial_jack |
I've not seen any problems with this so far. Traffic seems to be moving well enough |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 20:34 - Sep 26 with 1046 views | AnotherJohn |
There are newspaper reports suggesting that Drakeford was evasive today when questioned in the Senedd about the likelihood of road charging to safeguard air quality. I think people who say 20 mph is just the thin end of the wedge are quite right. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 20:50 - Sep 26 with 1040 views | Dr_Winston |
| The 20MPH punishments on 20:34 - Sep 26 by AnotherJohn |
There are newspaper reports suggesting that Drakeford was evasive today when questioned in the Senedd about the likelihood of road charging to safeguard air quality. I think people who say 20 mph is just the thin end of the wedge are quite right. |
Of course, all monies raised by road charging will be invested into public transport. That most of it will end up being invested in public transport in the Cardiff and Valleys area will be a closely guarded secret. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 21:27 - Sep 26 with 1021 views | Flashberryjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 20:34 - Sep 26 by AnotherJohn |
There are newspaper reports suggesting that Drakeford was evasive today when questioned in the Senedd about the likelihood of road charging to safeguard air quality. I think people who say 20 mph is just the thin end of the wedge are quite right. |
Hopefully this will wake the people of Wales up enough to vote these clowns out of office. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 22:01 - Sep 26 with 1013 views | builthjack |
It seems to be working well in Mid Wales towns. If it saves even one life, which could be someone’s son, daughter, wife, husband, mum, dad, it will be worth it. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| The 20MPH punishments on 22:07 - Sep 26 with 991 views | union_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:01 - Sep 26 by builthjack |
It seems to be working well in Mid Wales towns. If it saves even one life, which could be someone’s son, daughter, wife, husband, mum, dad, it will be worth it. |
Emotionally, yes, definitely.
Politically or economically, sadly not. |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 22:15 - Sep 26 with 986 views | builthjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:07 - Sep 26 by union_jack |
Emotionally, yes, definitely.
Politically or economically, sadly not. |
Lives are worth more than money. | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| The 20MPH punishments on 22:19 - Sep 26 with 973 views | union_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:15 - Sep 26 by builthjack |
Lives are worth more than money. |
Well, as I said, that depends on how much it costs to save one life. Do not think of this emotionally. Governments or authorities won’t. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 22:32 - Sep 26 with 969 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:01 - Sep 26 by builthjack |
It seems to be working well in Mid Wales towns. If it saves even one life, which could be someone’s son, daughter, wife, husband, mum, dad, it will be worth it. |
How many more will die as a result of extra pollution. 1400 people die in Wales every year because of air pollution only 40 people die as a result of traffic accidents in 30 mph zones. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 06:43 - Sep 27 with 929 views | Dr_Winston |
| The 20MPH punishments on 22:15 - Sep 26 by builthjack |
Lives are worth more than money. |
The idea that tens of millions spent and hundreds of thousands of other people inconvenienced daily would be worth it to save one life is nuts.
There are medical committees who put a value on a human life every day, and it clocks up at significantly lower than that. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 07:37 - Sep 27 with 921 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| The 20MPH punishments on 06:43 - Sep 27 by Dr_Winston |
The idea that tens of millions spent and hundreds of thousands of other people inconvenienced daily would be worth it to save one life is nuts.
There are medical committees who put a value on a human life every day, and it clocks up at significantly lower than that. |
If you invested £32M in cancer screening equipment, how many lives would be saved? more than cutting speeds to 20? |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 07:51 - Sep 27 with 904 views | Dr_Winston |
| The 20MPH punishments on 07:37 - Sep 27 by JACKMANANDBOY |
If you invested £32M in cancer screening equipment, how many lives would be saved? more than cutting speeds to 20? |
Hundreds more I would say.
Hell, after the insanity of Covid where Cancer screening effectively stopped for months you could probably just spend that much on overtime and save more lives. [Post edited 27 Sep 2023 7:52]
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| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 08:02 - Sep 27 with 893 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| The 20MPH punishments on 07:51 - Sep 27 by Dr_Winston |
Hundreds more I would say.
Hell, after the insanity of Covid where Cancer screening effectively stopped for months you could probably just spend that much on overtime and save more lives. [Post edited 27 Sep 2023 7:52]
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If that's the case, the 20mph thing is not about saving lives? | |
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