| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City 09:05 - Apr 3 with 2283 views | SwansIndependent |
 Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City 3rd Apr 2022 09:01It wasn’t the most positive of run ins to a derby game that ended in a memorable 4-0 win yesterday. The faith maybe lost by some swans fans in Russell Martin’s vision for the club. The road at times this season has been a wobbly one that possibly required a little bit more faith in a young football managers dream.  0
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| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:09 - Apr 3 with 485 views | vetchonian |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:03 - Apr 3 by magicdaps10 |
Yeah, Martin's style does produce goals and that is the answer.
Martin was an ex pro and international, speak to him and he will explain a few things to you I am sure. |
But he has not achieved any success yet has he?
Had we lost yesterday I'm sure things would be different....just as last season was defined by the 90 mins of the paly off final it seems this season has now been defined by yesterdays 90 mins! | |
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| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:20 - Apr 3 with 461 views | vetchonian |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 19:41 - Apr 3 by magicdaps10 |
God knows how Martin's style gets goal if all he wants is to pass backwards and sideways!
The passing you refer to is to pull the oppositions shape out of place and once achieved the pace, runs in behind and passing with intent comes into place.
Vetch I am going to say it sorry but you really have got no clue about how this style actually works and are misreading the stats in comparison to how the style actually works. The more joy you get from knowing the style and making it work the more the possession percentage comes down and more shots at goal you get. |
Under Martin we achieve 1.18 goals per game...under the boring Cooper we achieved 1.21 goals per game last season
stats eh | |
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| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:25 - Apr 3 with 454 views | magicdaps10 |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:03 - Apr 3 by vetchonian |
Which as I have said before is why not other manager is attempting to play that way
As you say if this is the case we can never expect to progress...where are Brighton under the great manager Potter? Struggled to beat Norwich ...
IF this style is going to be hard to replicate game after game why persevere with it?
This has been said before keep digging a hole daps |
Brighton who are 13th in the prem who have played some superb football over the season, come on Vetch that's just silly now.
I will let you into another secret Vetch, it doesn't have to be successful game after game for it to get success over a full season. |  |
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| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:29 - Apr 3 with 450 views | magicdaps10 |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:20 - Apr 3 by vetchonian |
Under Martin we achieve 1.18 goals per game...under the boring Cooper we achieved 1.21 goals per game last season
stats eh |
And?!
Next year we could average less than 1.18 goals per game and finish higher up the league, teams that get promoted could even have a lesser goals per game ratio.
Stats as I have stated before don't always show a true reflection.
I understand your concern but its been about 15 months too early, come back to me in October/November and if we are struggling lower than 12/13th in the league and I will gladly join you in what needs sorting. | |
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| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:32 - Apr 3 with 444 views | vetchonian |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:29 - Apr 3 by magicdaps10 |
And?!
Next year we could average less than 1.18 goals per game and finish higher up the league, teams that get promoted could even have a lesser goals per game ratio.
Stats as I have stated before don't always show a true reflection.
I understand your concern but its been about 15 months too early, come back to me in October/November and if we are struggling lower than 12/13th in the league and I will gladly join you in what needs sorting. |
im confident come October we will be having a similar conversation
But by then too much damage will have been done
the issue is yesterday historic derby win has clouded the issue... | |
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| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:34 - Apr 3 with 439 views | swan_si |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:20 - Apr 3 by vetchonian |
Under Martin we achieve 1.18 goals per game...under the boring Cooper we achieved 1.21 goals per game last season
stats eh |
Out of interest, how many penalties did we have last season compared to this one?
How many penalties did we score?
How many points did we pick up from scored penalties? |  | | |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:39 - Apr 3 with 435 views | vetchonian |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:34 - Apr 3 by swan_si |
Out of interest, how many penalties did we have last season compared to this one?
How many penalties did we score?
How many points did we pick up from scored penalties? |
Im not sure but also if you check the stats you ill probably see we had more attempts at shots at goal with less possession.... | |
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| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:40 - Apr 3 with 434 views | STID2017 |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:32 - Apr 3 by vetchonian |
im confident come October we will be having a similar conversation
But by then too much damage will have been done
the issue is yesterday historic derby win has clouded the issue... |
Yesterday was a fantastic day.
Tuesday may not be.
Just enjoy it when you can.
As I said elsewhere, nobody's suggesting the wheel has been reinvented.
Just the tyres pumped up properly ... |  |
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| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 21:02 - Apr 3 with 421 views | swan65split |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:09 - Apr 3 by vetchonian |
But he has not achieved any success yet has he?
Had we lost yesterday I'm sure things would be different....just as last season was defined by the 90 mins of the paly off final it seems this season has now been defined by yesterdays 90 mins! |
No it hasn't, I don't think anyone thinks that, we beat then 4-0 away first double in over a 100 yrs, come on be reasonable.
we may have a mare in mid week, , who knows, Obafemi didn't play for half a season, Martin says he wasn't ready....maybe he wasn't, |  | | |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 21:14 - Apr 3 with 405 views | swan_si |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:39 - Apr 3 by vetchonian |
Im not sure but also if you check the stats you ill probably see we had more attempts at shots at goal with less possession.... |
I dont do stats, unless its absolutely like for like, then its meaningless. | | | |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 21:49 - Apr 3 with 375 views | NotLoyal |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 21:14 - Apr 3 by swan_si |
I dont do stats, unless its absolutely like for like, then its meaningless. |
0-4 is a good un. |  |
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| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 22:19 - Apr 3 with 345 views | swan_si |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 21:49 - Apr 3 by NotLoyal |
0-4 is a good un. |
Forever in the history books, as FACT, can never be argued or questioned.  | | | |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 02:57 - Apr 4 with 277 views | DJack |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 22:19 - Apr 3 by swan_si |
Forever in the history books, as FACT, can never be argued or questioned. |
That's a stat also...
Sorry buddy, I couldn't resist and yes your point on stats is valid. Others use them to push their worldview rather than support a valid claim. |  |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 07:41 - Apr 4 with 242 views | STID2017 |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 20:20 - Apr 3 by vetchonian |
Under Martin we achieve 1.18 goals per game...under the boring Cooper we achieved 1.21 goals per game last season
stats eh |
Under Hollins 1999 / 2000 our goals per game stat was 1.108 goals per game.
Although in my opinion that title winning season was boring as any I can remember.
So Vetch random stats mean nothing, as for example if we had not conceded against Reading (H), Birmingham (A), Luton (A), Preston (A)and Blackpool (H) we would be firmly in the top six having scored the same number of goals.
So if I wanted used stats I could show it is our defence is the problem as the attack is doing better than Hollins championship winning side ?
Let's just go with the process and continue to enjoy Saturday's result eh Vetch. | |
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| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 08:15 - Apr 4 with 229 views | magicdaps10 |
| Sometimes we just have to believe in Swansea City on 07:41 - Apr 4 by STID2017 |
Under Hollins 1999 / 2000 our goals per game stat was 1.108 goals per game.
Although in my opinion that title winning season was boring as any I can remember.
So Vetch random stats mean nothing, as for example if we had not conceded against Reading (H), Birmingham (A), Luton (A), Preston (A)and Blackpool (H) we would be firmly in the top six having scored the same number of goals.
So if I wanted used stats I could show it is our defence is the problem as the attack is doing better than Hollins championship winning side ?
Let's just go with the process and continue to enjoy Saturday's result eh Vetch. |
Stats are a handy guideline but by no means are they the tool to work from at sll times.
In our last 6 games we have scored 11 goals, taken 13 points from our last 21(7 games). That's not too shabby considering Martin is not up to it and we are not progressing in some people's eyes. | |
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