| Most reliable information.Covid-19 23:34 - May 20 with 20096 views | RonaldStump |
So who is providing the most reliable information?
The so called 'Conspiracy Theorists' or the Government (Sage) and their modelling.
Since March 2020 there clearly only one winner here.
Congratulations the so called 'Consiracy Theorists'
Prove me wrong. |  |
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| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 21:30 - Jun 28 with 1093 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 21:14 - Jun 28 by Scotia |
As I understand myocarditis often occurs after a viral infection. It usually isn't a serious complaint and the risk is tiny.
There's a good chance these people would have developed myocarditis after getting covid. And they would get covid at some point. |
But they were given it by a Vaccine and the authorities wish to continue to do so, despite the possibility of serious long term issues or death.
The people under 20 have virtually nothying to fear from COVID and a lot to fear from the Vaccine. [Post edited 28 Jun 2021 21:37]
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| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 21:36 - Jun 28 with 1073 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 21:24 - Jun 28 by Professor |
Very much so. Very common post infection and thankfully often transient. Pericarditis more problematic |
It gives them both and it can permanently damage the heart but hey it is just a few people, so it doesn't matter.
Did you look at what the numbers should be compared to what they were, only a 25 fold increase in the 18-24 group.
You 2 are very cavalier with other peoples health. [Post edited 28 Jun 2021 21:38]
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| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 22:27 - Jun 28 with 1045 views | Professor |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 21:36 - Jun 28 by A_Fans_Dad |
It gives them both and it can permanently damage the heart but hey it is just a few people, so it doesn't matter.
Did you look at what the numbers should be compared to what they were, only a 25 fold increase in the 18-24 group.
You 2 are very cavalier with other peoples health. [Post edited 28 Jun 2021 21:38]
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Not as cavalier as you. What part of you fails to understand that if you are vaccinated your chances of dying from a SARS CoV2 infection is around. 1 in 1000. And the likelihood of infection is reduced. Without vaccination it was around 1 in 60 for the Alpha variant. Over 70 that is about 1 in 10.
Now that is full Prince Rupert.
And yes there are adverse events- that’s true for every medicine. hit these are 1 in 100,000 events Yet you harp on about treatments that are ineffective or of limited benefit. You are truly an idiot sucked up into a pseudoscience conspiracy. As Scotia says if you are over 50 and unvaccinated you are truly risking your life. | | | |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 08:03 - Jun 29 with 1013 views | Scotia |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 21:27 - Jun 28 by A_Fans_Dad |
They do not show that at all.
I am amazed that with a University education you do understand the difference between the word stop and possibly reduce the chances of or reduce the chances of. |
You've posted stats from PHE that clearly show that infection is 87% more prevalent in those who have received no vaccination at all and 63% more prevalent in the same group than those that have receive one dose.
Ok that's not a clinical trial, it is a rough calculation and there are significant variables but the stats speak for themselves. Vaccination is working.
Why anyone, even at slight risk of covid, would not take up the offer of a vaccine is beyond me [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 8:07]
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| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 08:06 - Jun 29 with 1010 views | Scotia |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 21:36 - Jun 28 by A_Fans_Dad |
It gives them both and it can permanently damage the heart but hey it is just a few people, so it doesn't matter.
Did you look at what the numbers should be compared to what they were, only a 25 fold increase in the 18-24 group.
You 2 are very cavalier with other peoples health. [Post edited 28 Jun 2021 21:38]
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"You 2 are very cavalier with other peoples health."
Says someone who advocates the use of a drug known not to work and cause serious cardiac issues rather than a proven safe and extremely effective vaccine. | | | |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 10:03 - Jun 29 with 987 views | Scotia |
I wouldn't describe it as very concerning. It may not be ideal but the vaccine is clearly working in the real world.
The week ending 18th June was the first week since the start of that pandemic that Wales recorded 0 covid deaths, I suspect that is down to Wales having the highest % of population in the UK that has received at least one dose. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 10:10]
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| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 11:16 - Jun 29 with 972 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 08:06 - Jun 29 by Scotia |
"You 2 are very cavalier with other peoples health."
Says someone who advocates the use of a drug known not to work and cause serious cardiac issues rather than a proven safe and extremely effective vaccine. |
More lies from scotia, absolutely classic mis-direction.
Any drug given at 6 times the recommended maximum dose is likely to be dangerous.
In the trials based on the correct protocol there were no higher cardiac concerns, but you wouldn't know that because the only studies you believe are the worst studies in the world where deliberate overdoses were given to critically ill patients.
There are hundreds of studies by 1000s by professionals that say it works which you totally ignore in favour of 3 studies deliberately designed to fail.
Typical of you. | | | |
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| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 11:28 - Jun 29 with 974 views | Scotia |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 11:16 - Jun 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
More lies from scotia, absolutely classic mis-direction.
Any drug given at 6 times the recommended maximum dose is likely to be dangerous.
In the trials based on the correct protocol there were no higher cardiac concerns, but you wouldn't know that because the only studies you believe are the worst studies in the world where deliberate overdoses were given to critically ill patients.
There are hundreds of studies by 1000s by professionals that say it works which you totally ignore in favour of 3 studies deliberately designed to fail.
Typical of you. |
Studies debunked ad nauseum.
I've asked you before, I'll ask again. Why wasn't Trump treated with it? | | | |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 11:29 - Jun 29 with 968 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 08:03 - Jun 29 by Scotia |
You've posted stats from PHE that clearly show that infection is 87% more prevalent in those who have received no vaccination at all and 63% more prevalent in the same group than those that have receive one dose.
Ok that's not a clinical trial, it is a rough calculation and there are significant variables but the stats speak for themselves. Vaccination is working.
Why anyone, even at slight risk of covid, would not take up the offer of a vaccine is beyond me [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 8:07]
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But still ended up with more dead bodies in the vaccinated group.
Cases as designated by a crap test are not "infected people", you still don't understand that part because you take prof's word against the creator of the test, the scientists that reviewed the WHO test design and the scientists that carried out studies on the test results.
Studies have also shown that there are no 1000s of Asymptomatic cases spreading the Virus, they are the product of the crap test. and are not infectious, it is most likely that about only 6% of those said to be asymptomatic that do actually pass the virus on. | | | |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 11:58 - Jun 29 with 961 views | Scotia |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 11:29 - Jun 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
But still ended up with more dead bodies in the vaccinated group.
Cases as designated by a crap test are not "infected people", you still don't understand that part because you take prof's word against the creator of the test, the scientists that reviewed the WHO test design and the scientists that carried out studies on the test results.
Studies have also shown that there are no 1000s of Asymptomatic cases spreading the Virus, they are the product of the crap test. and are not infectious, it is most likely that about only 6% of those said to be asymptomatic that do actually pass the virus on. |
All of that has been debunked on here, every word.
It is all conspiracy rubbish. You believe it and are putting your life at risk. You don't even understand the importance and real world interpretation of the stats you have posted. You'd rather believe pseudo - science posted by irrelevantly qualified scientists than those that actually know what they are talking about.
The tests are very accurate. Not perfect but very accurate.
Asymptomatic / presymptomatic people can spread the virus.
Unless you shield you will get covid over the coming months. If you want to take a chance on not being vaccinated it is up to you. I would suggest you are taking a huge risk with your life. Stop being so bloody minded, admit the vaccine will benefit you and head over to the Bay field hospital ASAP.
So why wasn't Trump treated with HCQ? | | | |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 14:25 - Jun 29 with 931 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 22:27 - Jun 28 by Professor |
Not as cavalier as you. What part of you fails to understand that if you are vaccinated your chances of dying from a SARS CoV2 infection is around. 1 in 1000. And the likelihood of infection is reduced. Without vaccination it was around 1 in 60 for the Alpha variant. Over 70 that is about 1 in 10.
Now that is full Prince Rupert.
And yes there are adverse events- that’s true for every medicine. hit these are 1 in 100,000 events Yet you harp on about treatments that are ineffective or of limited benefit. You are truly an idiot sucked up into a pseudoscience conspiracy. As Scotia says if you are over 50 and unvaccinated you are truly risking your life. |
"pseudoscience conspiracy."?
What pseudoscience from doctors and scientists just as qualified, if not more so than you?
The people who are actually working with the patients and with the virus?
Those people have concerns which you ignore.
The latest one is Dr Robert Malone, if you don't know the name he is the actual inventor of the mRNA science and the principle of the mRNA Vaccines in the late 1980s.
What does he have to say?
He contacted the FDA and advised them that long term affects of the spike protein could be dangerous, they ignored him of course preferring to believe the Manufacturers. It appears they were wrong.
Added to his concerns are the suppression of information about adverse effects and alternative medicines, so he now says it is unethical to continue because people cannot make an "informed decision".
He wants return to "data based Science". | | | |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 14:30 - Jun 29 with 928 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 11:58 - Jun 29 by Scotia |
All of that has been debunked on here, every word.
It is all conspiracy rubbish. You believe it and are putting your life at risk. You don't even understand the importance and real world interpretation of the stats you have posted. You'd rather believe pseudo - science posted by irrelevantly qualified scientists than those that actually know what they are talking about.
The tests are very accurate. Not perfect but very accurate.
Asymptomatic / presymptomatic people can spread the virus.
Unless you shield you will get covid over the coming months. If you want to take a chance on not being vaccinated it is up to you. I would suggest you are taking a huge risk with your life. Stop being so bloody minded, admit the vaccine will benefit you and head over to the Bay field hospital ASAP.
So why wasn't Trump treated with HCQ? |
Because Trumps medical team considered that much more expensive medicines, not available to the public were better.
But you knew that already. | | | |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 14:32 - Jun 29 with 926 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 11:58 - Jun 29 by Scotia |
All of that has been debunked on here, every word.
It is all conspiracy rubbish. You believe it and are putting your life at risk. You don't even understand the importance and real world interpretation of the stats you have posted. You'd rather believe pseudo - science posted by irrelevantly qualified scientists than those that actually know what they are talking about.
The tests are very accurate. Not perfect but very accurate.
Asymptomatic / presymptomatic people can spread the virus.
Unless you shield you will get covid over the coming months. If you want to take a chance on not being vaccinated it is up to you. I would suggest you are taking a huge risk with your life. Stop being so bloody minded, admit the vaccine will benefit you and head over to the Bay field hospital ASAP.
So why wasn't Trump treated with HCQ? |
None of it has been debunked, just in your head.
Those studies would have been withdrawn if they had been debunked. | | | |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 14:38 - Jun 29 with 929 views | Professor |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 14:32 - Jun 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
None of it has been debunked, just in your head.
Those studies would have been withdrawn if they had been debunked. |
No. They would not. Things are only retracted when there is misconduct (like Wakefield) or the authors retract. The latter does not happen very often if at all.
And don't argue the toss as:
1. You have never published in a journal
2. Are not an editor of a journal | | | |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 15:22 - Jun 29 with 918 views | Scotia |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 14:30 - Jun 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
Because Trumps medical team considered that much more expensive medicines, not available to the public were better.
But you knew that already. |
But he was also treated with cheap and widely available drugs and supplements. Some of which I took this morning.
The only expensive, unavailable to the public medicine was regeneron. Which is still of questionable benefit.
There was only one glaring omission from his treatment regimen???
He wasn't given it because it wouldn't have worked and could have made him even sicker. | | | |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 15:47 - Jun 29 with 912 views | Scotia |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 14:25 - Jun 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
"pseudoscience conspiracy."?
What pseudoscience from doctors and scientists just as qualified, if not more so than you?
The people who are actually working with the patients and with the virus?
Those people have concerns which you ignore.
The latest one is Dr Robert Malone, if you don't know the name he is the actual inventor of the mRNA science and the principle of the mRNA Vaccines in the late 1980s.
What does he have to say?
He contacted the FDA and advised them that long term affects of the spike protein could be dangerous, they ignored him of course preferring to believe the Manufacturers. It appears they were wrong.
Added to his concerns are the suppression of information about adverse effects and alternative medicines, so he now says it is unethical to continue because people cannot make an "informed decision".
He wants return to "data based Science". |
I saw that Dr Malone had posted that the mRNA spike protein is "cytoxic" so I did some research. It's been completely debunked. It is not harmful.
I also looked in to who "invented " mRNA vaccine technology. It seem to be largely credited to Prof Drew Weissman and Prof Katalin Kariko.
There are several references, all apparently very recent, to it being invented by Dr Robert Malone. All of these sources seem to have been told Dr Malone invented the technology by Dr Malone himself, apart from one which was written by Dr Jill Glasspool.
Dr Glasspool is his wife.
Edit. I just googled him. The self proclaimed inventor of mRNA vaccines doesn't even have an English language Wikipedia page. I don't know where you get this nonsense from but please start questioning what you are reading. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 16:01]
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| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 16:21 - Jun 29 with 901 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 15:47 - Jun 29 by Scotia |
I saw that Dr Malone had posted that the mRNA spike protein is "cytoxic" so I did some research. It's been completely debunked. It is not harmful.
I also looked in to who "invented " mRNA vaccine technology. It seem to be largely credited to Prof Drew Weissman and Prof Katalin Kariko.
There are several references, all apparently very recent, to it being invented by Dr Robert Malone. All of these sources seem to have been told Dr Malone invented the technology by Dr Malone himself, apart from one which was written by Dr Jill Glasspool.
Dr Glasspool is his wife.
Edit. I just googled him. The self proclaimed inventor of mRNA vaccines doesn't even have an English language Wikipedia page. I don't know where you get this nonsense from but please start questioning what you are reading. [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 16:01]
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"mRNA spike protein is "cytoxic" so I did some research. It's been completely debunked."
Where, a study link please. | | | |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 16:55 - Jun 29 with 894 views | Scotia |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 16:21 - Jun 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
"mRNA spike protein is "cytoxic" so I did some research. It's been completely debunked."
Where, a study link please. |
I tell you what, you provide something to substantiate this statement first.
"The latest one is Dr Robert Malone, if you don't know the name he is the actual inventor of the mRNA science and the principle of the mRNA Vaccines"
Something he hasn't written himself of course. | | | |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 17:09 - Jun 29 with 890 views | Professor |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 16:55 - Jun 29 by Scotia |
I tell you what, you provide something to substantiate this statement first.
"The latest one is Dr Robert Malone, if you don't know the name he is the actual inventor of the mRNA science and the principle of the mRNA Vaccines"
Something he hasn't written himself of course. |
That's because it's bull
Kariko and Weissman are considered the pioneers in this field.
mRNA can't be cytotoxic as any protein synthesis involves mRNA. In eukaryotic cells DNA is copied to mRNA transcript which bind to tRNA on ribosomes to synthesise amino acid chains. These undergo secondary processing (folding) to make protein structures.
And another one. one 50K trained GPs in the UK-probably easy to find the odd outlier in that number. | | | |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 17:39 - Jun 29 with 878 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 16:55 - Jun 29 by Scotia |
I tell you what, you provide something to substantiate this statement first.
"The latest one is Dr Robert Malone, if you don't know the name he is the actual inventor of the mRNA science and the principle of the mRNA Vaccines"
Something he hasn't written himself of course. |
First of all you need this.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41593-020-00771-8
Then you need this
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075
and then an English version of this
https://www.docdroid.net/xq0Z8B0/pfizer-report-japanese-government-pdf
Or you have to take the word of Byram Bridle, a viral immunologist and associate professor at University of Guelph, Ontario.
“It’s the first time ever scientists have been privy to seeing where these messenger RNA [mRNA] vaccines go after vaccination,” Bridle said in an interview with Alex Pierson where he first disclosed the data. “Is it a safe assumption that it stays in the shoulder muscle? The short answer is: absolutely not. It’s very disconcerting.”
“We thought the spike protein was a great target antigen, we never knew the spike protein itself was a toxin and was a pathogenic protein. So by vaccinating people we are inadvertently inoculating them with a toxin.”
Of course he is just another of those not to be believe. | | | |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 17:59 - Jun 29 with 876 views | onehunglow |
Trump has Covid
Ive had Angelina Jolie and | |
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| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 18:24 - Jun 29 with 864 views | Scotia |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 17:39 - Jun 29 by A_Fans_Dad |
First of all you need this.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41593-020-00771-8
Then you need this
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075
and then an English version of this
https://www.docdroid.net/xq0Z8B0/pfizer-report-japanese-government-pdf
Or you have to take the word of Byram Bridle, a viral immunologist and associate professor at University of Guelph, Ontario.
“It’s the first time ever scientists have been privy to seeing where these messenger RNA [mRNA] vaccines go after vaccination,” Bridle said in an interview with Alex Pierson where he first disclosed the data. “Is it a safe assumption that it stays in the shoulder muscle? The short answer is: absolutely not. It’s very disconcerting.”
“We thought the spike protein was a great target antigen, we never knew the spike protein itself was a toxin and was a pathogenic protein. So by vaccinating people we are inadvertently inoculating them with a toxin.”
Of course he is just another of those not to be believe. |
So you can't find anything to substantiate your claim that Dr Robert Malone invented mRNA vaccines?
Now you mention Byram Bridle. He has his own website look.
https://byrambridle.com/
You are being taken for a fool.
Edit. Regarding the links. I'm not aware of encephalitis or neurological conditions being reported as anything like a common vaccine side effect? [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 18:58]
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| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 19:16 - Jun 29 with 846 views | Professor |
| Most reliable information.Covid-19 on 18:24 - Jun 29 by Scotia |
So you can't find anything to substantiate your claim that Dr Robert Malone invented mRNA vaccines?
Now you mention Byram Bridle. He has his own website look.
https://byrambridle.com/
You are being taken for a fool.
Edit. Regarding the links. I'm not aware of encephalitis or neurological conditions being reported as anything like a common vaccine side effect? [Post edited 29 Jun 2021 18:58]
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No. But are very common after SARS CoV2 infection. | | | |
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