| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic 12:17 - Jan 4 with 55762 views | exiledclaseboy |
Apparently. Cue a few days of outraged reaction until Oldham change their mind. |  |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:29 - Jan 8 with 1439 views | reddythered |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:27 - Jan 8 by Parlay |
Excellent.
What was the evidence again? |
Read the transcripts, again. |  |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:34 - Jan 8 with 1420 views | Parlay |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:29 - Jan 8 by reddythered |
Read the transcripts, again. |
I was asking for your opinion. Reading the transcripts wont give me your opinion.
I ask again...
What, in your opinion, was the compelling evidence that shows Evans certainly raped the woman.
Don't answer if you are stuck. |  |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:37 - Jan 8 with 1412 views | reddythered |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:34 - Jan 8 by Parlay |
I was asking for your opinion. Reading the transcripts wont give me your opinion.
I ask again...
What, in your opinion, was the compelling evidence that shows Evans certainly raped the woman.
Don't answer if you are stuck. |
Opinions are subjective, not objective.
You want to use objective facts to base your view upon so I'd suggest reading the transcripts.
Don't answer if you don't read the transcripts. | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:39 - Jan 8 with 1402 views | skippyjack |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:37 - Jan 8 by reddythered |
Opinions are subjective, not objective.
You want to use objective facts to base your view upon so I'd suggest reading the transcripts.
Don't answer if you don't read the transcripts. |
You're mixing up objective facts with an objective viewpoint.. read this perception.. it's exactly like the case. |  |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:41 - Jan 8 with 1381 views | Parlay |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:37 - Jan 8 by reddythered |
Opinions are subjective, not objective.
You want to use objective facts to base your view upon so I'd suggest reading the transcripts.
Don't answer if you don't read the transcripts. |
I didnt say opinions were objective or subjective - i was merely asking for yours.
I ask again, what, in your opinion, was the key evidence which shows he certainly raped the woman.
Stop wriggling and answer the question, your continued reluctance to answer a simple question is only proving my point. | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:42 - Jan 8 with 1378 views | reddythered |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:39 - Jan 8 by skippyjack |
You're mixing up objective facts with an objective viewpoint.. read this perception.. it's exactly like the case. |
Not at all.
"Objective facts" as presented by chedevans.com are not after all objective; plenty of inconsistencies there. Indeed, certainly tweets used to intimate the victim was a golddigger when the tweets themselves have nothing to do with the case.
The jury and court of appeal were presented with a mixture of objective facts along with subjective viewpoints in search of a notional objective viewpoint. | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:44 - Jan 8 with 1371 views | Parlay |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:42 - Jan 8 by reddythered |
Not at all.
"Objective facts" as presented by chedevans.com are not after all objective; plenty of inconsistencies there. Indeed, certainly tweets used to intimate the victim was a golddigger when the tweets themselves have nothing to do with the case.
The jury and court of appeal were presented with a mixture of objective facts along with subjective viewpoints in search of a notional objective viewpoint. |
Cool.
So what in your opinion are the key facts which proves with certainty Evans raped the woman?
Should be interesting... | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:45 - Jan 8 with 1370 views | reddythered |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:41 - Jan 8 by Parlay |
I didnt say opinions were objective or subjective - i was merely asking for yours.
I ask again, what, in your opinion, was the key evidence which shows he certainly raped the woman.
Stop wriggling and answer the question, your continued reluctance to answer a simple question is only proving my point. |
In my opinion, the key evidence points are contained within the transcripts of the case.
Which if you'd read them also contained attempted rebuttals. Giving the whole picture, see.
Stop wriggling and read the transcripts, your continued reluctance to research and gain more than a superficial view of the case which would answer your own questions only proves that you are either incredibly lazy, wanting cliff notes or are trolling. | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:48 - Jan 8 with 1363 views | Parlay |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:45 - Jan 8 by reddythered |
In my opinion, the key evidence points are contained within the transcripts of the case.
Which if you'd read them also contained attempted rebuttals. Giving the whole picture, see.
Stop wriggling and read the transcripts, your continued reluctance to research and gain more than a superficial view of the case which would answer your own questions only proves that you are either incredibly lazy, wanting cliff notes or are trolling. |
i didn't ask where they were i asked what they were, i asked...
In your opinion, what are the key pieces of evidence that suggests Evans clearly raped the woman.
I have told you that I dislike reading so havent read noted from wither side. I am simply asking for your view on the evidence.
You seem unable to answer though. | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:49 - Jan 8 with 1364 views | skippyjack |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:45 - Jan 8 by reddythered |
In my opinion, the key evidence points are contained within the transcripts of the case.
Which if you'd read them also contained attempted rebuttals. Giving the whole picture, see.
Stop wriggling and read the transcripts, your continued reluctance to research and gain more than a superficial view of the case which would answer your own questions only proves that you are either incredibly lazy, wanting cliff notes or are trolling. |
Well If you read the transcripts.. Ched got sentenced because the girl was unable to give consent.. because she was drunk.. or she couldn't 'remember'.. he got sentenced because a girl couldn't remember.. that's flimsy. | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:52 - Jan 8 with 1356 views | reddythered |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:48 - Jan 8 by Parlay |
i didn't ask where they were i asked what they were, i asked...
In your opinion, what are the key pieces of evidence that suggests Evans clearly raped the woman.
I have told you that I dislike reading so havent read noted from wither side. I am simply asking for your view on the evidence.
You seem unable to answer though. |
And in my answer, I pointed out where all the evidence was contained.
Different people look for different levels of proof. Within those transcripts is the entirety of the evidence so you can educate yourself to your hearts content on the matter, making your opinion without being swayed by others.
I have noted your dislike of reading, as evidence by reading this thread and replying to posts. Which some would say involves reading in the first instance.
You have been asked before for evidence as to why Evans was not guilty. You seem unable to answer though. | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:52 - Jan 8 with 1356 views | wetjack |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:44 - Jan 8 by Parlay |
Cool.
So what in your opinion are the key facts which proves with certainty Evans raped the woman?
Should be interesting... |
sorry to butt in here but what are the key facts that prove he didn't? | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:53 - Jan 8 with 1353 views | Shaky |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:48 - Jan 8 by Parlay |
i didn't ask where they were i asked what they were, i asked...
In your opinion, what are the key pieces of evidence that suggests Evans clearly raped the woman.
I have told you that I dislike reading so havent read noted from wither side. I am simply asking for your view on the evidence.
You seem unable to answer though. |
Maybe he hasn't read it himself, and his conviction that Evans is guilty as charged is based solely on his mistaken belief that family exposed the girl's identity. |  |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:57 - Jan 8 with 1346 views | Parlay |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:52 - Jan 8 by wetjack |
sorry to butt in here but what are the key facts that prove he didn't? |
You don't need to prove you didn't do something.
I couldn't prove i didn't rape her either. I have no idea what I was doing that day in order for me to provide alibi.
The thing with a criminal prosecution is you have to prove guilt, not innocence. | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 17:00 - Jan 8 with 1341 views | wetjack |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:57 - Jan 8 by Parlay |
You don't need to prove you didn't do something.
I couldn't prove i didn't rape her either. I have no idea what I was doing that day in order for me to provide alibi.
The thing with a criminal prosecution is you have to prove guilt, not innocence. |
and clearly they did via a trial which is the way the judicial system works I believe
I don't need to see the evidence I will trust it
My work here is done, keep trolling theres a good girl
2 posts, game, set and match. over and out | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 17:01 - Jan 8 with 1335 views | Parlay |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 16:52 - Jan 8 by reddythered |
And in my answer, I pointed out where all the evidence was contained.
Different people look for different levels of proof. Within those transcripts is the entirety of the evidence so you can educate yourself to your hearts content on the matter, making your opinion without being swayed by others.
I have noted your dislike of reading, as evidence by reading this thread and replying to posts. Which some would say involves reading in the first instance.
You have been asked before for evidence as to why Evans was not guilty. You seem unable to answer though. |
That is not what I asked though.
I could go to where all the evidence is contained and it still wouldnt show me your opinion.
My question was - IN YOUR OPINION, what (not where is) is the key evidence which shows Ched clearly raped the woman.
The burden of proof is on the complainant. However my proof as the defence is simply that there is no clear evidence to suggest guilt.
Thats as easy as it gets for a defence lawyer. [Post edited 8 Jan 2015 17:02]
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 17:11 - Jan 8 with 1315 views | reddythered |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 17:01 - Jan 8 by Parlay |
That is not what I asked though.
I could go to where all the evidence is contained and it still wouldnt show me your opinion.
My question was - IN YOUR OPINION, what (not where is) is the key evidence which shows Ched clearly raped the woman.
The burden of proof is on the complainant. However my proof as the defence is simply that there is no clear evidence to suggest guilt.
Thats as easy as it gets for a defence lawyer. [Post edited 8 Jan 2015 17:02]
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And again, you want my opinion to shape your own.
If the evidence was clear Ched was innocent, then that evidence would be within the transcript, waiting for your moist eyes to read making my opinion irrelevant.
The burden of proof was met to the satisfaction of a jury and an appeal court. Why you seem to believe you're magically above those entities is interesting... to a psychologist no doubt.
"Your proof as the defence" would indicate a bias, either cultural or other, towards the Evans family view given that seems your preferred view. I'd also point out that the "no clear evidence" claim isn't something you can make given your acknowledged superficial knowledge of the case. You don't want to see or know any clear evidence as it would undermine your stated view. "No clear evidence" equally does not indicate someone is innocent either; in Scotland, you view would tend to lean more towards "Not Proven", a different kettle of fish entirely.
As it's incredibly easy for a defence lawyer, it's amazing how incompetent the defence lawyers were for Evans then; especially given the multi-millionaire backing his campaign. | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 17:21 - Jan 8 with 1300 views | Parlay |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 17:11 - Jan 8 by reddythered |
And again, you want my opinion to shape your own.
If the evidence was clear Ched was innocent, then that evidence would be within the transcript, waiting for your moist eyes to read making my opinion irrelevant.
The burden of proof was met to the satisfaction of a jury and an appeal court. Why you seem to believe you're magically above those entities is interesting... to a psychologist no doubt.
"Your proof as the defence" would indicate a bias, either cultural or other, towards the Evans family view given that seems your preferred view. I'd also point out that the "no clear evidence" claim isn't something you can make given your acknowledged superficial knowledge of the case. You don't want to see or know any clear evidence as it would undermine your stated view. "No clear evidence" equally does not indicate someone is innocent either; in Scotland, you view would tend to lean more towards "Not Proven", a different kettle of fish entirely.
As it's incredibly easy for a defence lawyer, it's amazing how incompetent the defence lawyers were for Evans then; especially given the multi-millionaire backing his campaign. |
You have no idea why i want your opinion for.
There doesn't need to be any evidence that Ched was innocent. Which part of that is confusing you? It seems more and more you have shaped your opinion on the opinion of the jury (baaa) which is why you are so reluctant to tell me your view.
Above those entities? You do realise those people are members of the public don't you? If i got a random 10 people together in Wales they may agree Cardiff are the best football team in Wales contrary to the lack of proof - it doesn't mean they are. The fact you have hung your opinion on this is frightening.
I have no idea what the "Evans family view" is other than a protestation of innocence. There is no bias, why would there be. If you can show me proof he did it then I will say so - that is subjective not bias.
You seem to be leaning towards "there is no clear evidence" would i be right?
You seem to have an opinion that he is guilty. You also seem to acknowledge there is no clear evidence to suggest this. Yet what confuses me is you are unwilling to state them together - presumably because you realise assuming someones guilt with a realisation there is no proof looks awful.
It certainly is easy for defence lawyers. Which is why the guilty verdict looks incredibly odd. | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 17:28 - Jan 8 with 1291 views | reddythered |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 17:21 - Jan 8 by Parlay |
You have no idea why i want your opinion for.
There doesn't need to be any evidence that Ched was innocent. Which part of that is confusing you? It seems more and more you have shaped your opinion on the opinion of the jury (baaa) which is why you are so reluctant to tell me your view.
Above those entities? You do realise those people are members of the public don't you? If i got a random 10 people together in Wales they may agree Cardiff are the best football team in Wales contrary to the lack of proof - it doesn't mean they are. The fact you have hung your opinion on this is frightening.
I have no idea what the "Evans family view" is other than a protestation of innocence. There is no bias, why would there be. If you can show me proof he did it then I will say so - that is subjective not bias.
You seem to be leaning towards "there is no clear evidence" would i be right?
You seem to have an opinion that he is guilty. You also seem to acknowledge there is no clear evidence to suggest this. Yet what confuses me is you are unwilling to state them together - presumably because you realise assuming someones guilt with a realisation there is no proof looks awful.
It certainly is easy for defence lawyers. Which is why the guilty verdict looks incredibly odd. |
If the assertion is that it's an unsafe conviction, then yes, proof of innocence would be needed.
I've read more than enough to form my own opinion. Which is why it's puzzling you seem to want to rely on others to convince you due to laziness in research.
Jury trials are made up of the public. I'm sure if it were any other way I'm sure you'd complain, being such an advocate of justice and all as you previously stated.
I'm firmly in "clear evidence". Based upon evidence presented; nowhere have I acknowledged there is no clear evidence to suggect this. Please don't make suppositions to try to bolter your view.
You claim this case ( based upon superficial understanding ) is easy for defence lawyers and thus the verdict is "odd". Anybody else would view it as being maybe, just maybe, their lack of understanding of the case gave them an incorrect assumption of how "easy" the defence case would be and thus the verdict was not "odd". | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 17:40 - Jan 8 with 1266 views | Parlay |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 17:28 - Jan 8 by reddythered |
If the assertion is that it's an unsafe conviction, then yes, proof of innocence would be needed.
I've read more than enough to form my own opinion. Which is why it's puzzling you seem to want to rely on others to convince you due to laziness in research.
Jury trials are made up of the public. I'm sure if it were any other way I'm sure you'd complain, being such an advocate of justice and all as you previously stated.
I'm firmly in "clear evidence". Based upon evidence presented; nowhere have I acknowledged there is no clear evidence to suggect this. Please don't make suppositions to try to bolter your view.
You claim this case ( based upon superficial understanding ) is easy for defence lawyers and thus the verdict is "odd". Anybody else would view it as being maybe, just maybe, their lack of understanding of the case gave them an incorrect assumption of how "easy" the defence case would be and thus the verdict was not "odd". |
I am talking about the original case, not a defence appeal which are entirely different entities based on entirely different criteria.
Your opinion seems to be based on the jury's opinion - which is why you are so reluctant to give yours. Can you think of any logical reason someone would want to withhold crucial parts of a debate intentionally avoiding requests for it? Either there isn't any or they are trolling and on a massive wind up. Which one do you fall under?
I have now read enough to form mine, i took your advice and read it, so now you cant say that I should read them - can you tell me in your opinion what was the key evidence that suggested Evans clearly raped the woman?
You suggest I have a lack of understanding of this case yet are not bringing to light anything that I'm seemingly not understanding. You do realise this makes you look awful right?
So now I have read the notes, please give me your view on which part of it clearly states Ched raped the woman and also if you would be so kind as to point me to your assertion that I dont understand the case.
Ta.
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 17:52 - Jan 8 with 1251 views | reddythered |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 17:40 - Jan 8 by Parlay |
I am talking about the original case, not a defence appeal which are entirely different entities based on entirely different criteria.
Your opinion seems to be based on the jury's opinion - which is why you are so reluctant to give yours. Can you think of any logical reason someone would want to withhold crucial parts of a debate intentionally avoiding requests for it? Either there isn't any or they are trolling and on a massive wind up. Which one do you fall under?
I have now read enough to form mine, i took your advice and read it, so now you cant say that I should read them - can you tell me in your opinion what was the key evidence that suggested Evans clearly raped the woman?
You suggest I have a lack of understanding of this case yet are not bringing to light anything that I'm seemingly not understanding. You do realise this makes you look awful right?
So now I have read the notes, please give me your view on which part of it clearly states Ched raped the woman and also if you would be so kind as to point me to your assertion that I dont understand the case.
Ta.
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I have spoken about both the original case AND the appeal. As both are entirely different entities based upon entirely different criteria, Evans has been found guilty by that logic under two different entities with entirely different criteria.
My opinion is based upon the court transcripts. Can you think of any logical reason someone would want to claim Evans to be not guilty on a "easy" defence case with an admitted "superficial" view of the case who wanted to be hand fed evidence without doing any "reading" into the case? Either they are lazy or they are trolling and on a massive wind up. Which one do you fall under?
You now seem to claim you're read the court transcripts. I must say, I'm heartily impressed with your speed reading skills to have got through so many pages in such a tight timescale since you were last asked to do so whilst continuing to post here.
Since you now have read the transcripts and cannot plead ignorance, can you please tell us all in your opinion which parts of the defence case proved the prosecution case to be "flimsy" as you've been requested previously many a time?
You suggest I have a lack of understanding of this case ( allegedly following the jury decision blindly ) yet are not bringing to light anything that I'm seemingly not understanding with regards to Evans' perceived innocence. You do realise this makes you look beastly, right?
So now you've fully read the court transcripts, please give me your view on which part of it clearly disproves the decison made by the jury as being the correct one and also if you would be so kind as to point me to the noted you've read; notes are by nature a subset of the entire case and if unofficial notes contain bias, inadvertant or otherwise.
Ta.
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 17:59 - Jan 8 with 1244 views | trampie |
Should they have found Evans guilty in the first place is one question being asked by some people ???
Not referring to the Evans case now but in general there seems to be a lot of sex cases in recent years which I as a lay person think how have the courts come to a guilty verdict ?[from what little I have read].
Has something changed to do with the balance of probabilities or something ?
Is one word against another good enough or something ?
Historic sex cases going back decades, no dna, fading memories, possibly no witnesses yet some verdicts seem to now go the other way to what perhaps the way they would have gone years previously, I perceive a change in verdicts, perhaps my perception is wrong, but something seems to have changed. [Post edited 8 Jan 2015 18:02]
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 18:02 - Jan 8 with 1233 views | reddythered |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 17:59 - Jan 8 by trampie |
Should they have found Evans guilty in the first place is one question being asked by some people ???
Not referring to the Evans case now but in general there seems to be a lot of sex cases in recent years which I as a lay person think how have the courts come to a guilty verdict ?[from what little I have read].
Has something changed to do with the balance of probabilities or something ?
Is one word against another good enough or something ?
Historic sex cases going back decades, no dna, fading memories, possibly no witnesses yet some verdicts seem to now go the other way to what perhaps the way they would have gone years previously, I perceive a change in verdicts, perhaps my perception is wrong, but something seems to have changed. [Post edited 8 Jan 2015 18:02]
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The woeful number of rape convictions, indeed the woeful number of rape cases taken to trial indicated something needed to change.
I'm sure some here would want to convince you the majority of women in those cases were lying liars looking to set people up or should get over it having been drunk but the reality is the old "caveman" mentality went out the window years ago. | |
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 18:09 - Jan 8 with 1218 views | Parlay |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 17:52 - Jan 8 by reddythered |
I have spoken about both the original case AND the appeal. As both are entirely different entities based upon entirely different criteria, Evans has been found guilty by that logic under two different entities with entirely different criteria.
My opinion is based upon the court transcripts. Can you think of any logical reason someone would want to claim Evans to be not guilty on a "easy" defence case with an admitted "superficial" view of the case who wanted to be hand fed evidence without doing any "reading" into the case? Either they are lazy or they are trolling and on a massive wind up. Which one do you fall under?
You now seem to claim you're read the court transcripts. I must say, I'm heartily impressed with your speed reading skills to have got through so many pages in such a tight timescale since you were last asked to do so whilst continuing to post here.
Since you now have read the transcripts and cannot plead ignorance, can you please tell us all in your opinion which parts of the defence case proved the prosecution case to be "flimsy" as you've been requested previously many a time?
You suggest I have a lack of understanding of this case ( allegedly following the jury decision blindly ) yet are not bringing to light anything that I'm seemingly not understanding with regards to Evans' perceived innocence. You do realise this makes you look beastly, right?
So now you've fully read the court transcripts, please give me your view on which part of it clearly disproves the decison made by the jury as being the correct one and also if you would be so kind as to point me to the noted you've read; notes are by nature a subset of the entire case and if unofficial notes contain bias, inadvertant or otherwise.
Ta.
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Ok lets break this down, point by point as you seem to be evading questions and then trolling in the reply by mimicking what I am putting to you. Do you want a debate or a playground exchange?
I have spoken about both the original case AND the appeal. As both are entirely different entities based upon entirely different criteria, Evans has been found guilty by that logic under two different entities with entirely different criteria.
You have spoken about neither. You have said a jury convicted him, that is not speaking about it, that is giving a fact irrelevant to what the debate is. We are discussing evidence clearly showing he raped someone... Of which there doesnt seem to be any,
My opinion is based upon the court transcripts. Can you think of any logical reason someone would want to claim Evans to be not guilty on a "easy" defence case with an admitted "superficial" view of the case who wanted to be hand fed evidence without doing any "reading" into the case? Either they are lazy or they are trolling and on a massive wind up. Which one do you fall under?
Your opinion is based upon the jury's decision. You have been asked repeatedly to give your reasoning as to where you feel the transcripts show the clear evidence suggesting rape and you have been falling over yourself to not do it. Who has said I have superficial knowledge of the case and havent read it? Im sure I just told you I had. So again, you are wrong. Spectacularly.
You now seem to claim you're read the court transcripts. I must say, I'm heartily impressed with your speed reading skills to have got through so many pages in such a tight timescale since you were last asked to do so whilst continuing to post here.
Thank you. So which part do you feel suggests he clearly raped someone then? Or are you still unsure?
Since you now have read the transcripts and cannot plead ignorance, can you please tell us all in your opinion which parts of the defence case proved the prosecution case to be "flimsy" as you've been requested previously many a time?
I have answered that many a time. There is no clear evidence to suggest he raped her. Ive gone into detail why. Now only if you could return the courtesy we may have a debate rather than a cardiff fan on a trolling mission.
You suggest I have a lack of understanding of this case ( allegedly following the jury decision blindly ) yet are not bringing to light anything that I'm seemingly not understanding with regards to Evans' perceived innocence. You do realise this makes you look beastly, right?
You seemingly have no concept of the fact that bringing to light Evans' innocence is irrelevant, a criminal case is not proving innocence but proving guilt. Otherwise you could have everybody of a certain age without an alibi in the dock for the assassination of Kennedy. So I ask again, where is the clear evidence of his guilt? If you dont have any, just say. I dont understand why you are so unwilling to admit there is no clear evidence.
So now you've fully read the court transcripts, please give me your view on which part of it clearly disproves the decison made by the jury as being the correct one and also if you would be so kind as to point me to the noted you've read; notes are by nature a subset of the entire case and if unofficial notes contain bias, inadvertant or otherwise.
Again, you arent quite understanding this are you. NONE of it proves his innocence, just as none of it proved my innocence. It doesnt have to prove anybodies innocence. The transcript should prove someone guilt, if it doesnt, then that itself proves his innocence.
In my view, no evidence clearly suggests he raped her. So which part do you think shows he clearly did?
That is a far more pertinent and relevant question.
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| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 18:09 - Jan 8 with 1218 views | trampie |
| Ched Evans to Oldham Athletic on 18:02 - Jan 8 by reddythered |
The woeful number of rape convictions, indeed the woeful number of rape cases taken to trial indicated something needed to change.
I'm sure some here would want to convince you the majority of women in those cases were lying liars looking to set people up or should get over it having been drunk but the reality is the old "caveman" mentality went out the window years ago. |
Something needed to change you say ?, I thought you had to be proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt ?
Not talking about the Evans case now, the nature of the crime of rape is often there are no witnesses, if one party says there was consent and the other party says there wasn't any, is society/law courts taking the word of one party over another ?, i'm very uneasy about that. | |
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