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Watching the news earlier, they were talking about the impact these energy bill rises will have on small businesses.
It got me thinking (dangerous I know) about the potential effect it could have on our club, and other clubs of similar and smaller size?
Not only the day to day running costs and matchday costs, but also the affect its gonna have on attendances.
Obviously when it comes down to heating, eating, mortgage, rent etc, days out with mates and family watching football, or any sporting event, are gonna have to take a back seat for many people.
Unless the government (lol) take action now, its gonna be a bleak winter for many people and businesses, and I fear for people's mental well being
Cheers Clive. The "respected posters" comment made me chuckle as well. Especially as when I put together what I thought was quite a reasoned post on page 1 of this thread, supported with links to supporting material and Kensal Risers response without addressing any of the points specially was:
"What a massive pile of stinking ordure"
I wonder why elnombre wasn't on telling him off for speaking like that to a fellow poster, respected or not…
The likes of Baz, DMM, and Kensal riser appear at the more extreme end of the scale and are unlikely to at least openly shift their view points as the realities of physics hit us this decade but I do think the silent majority will tip away from support or indifference to those views to a more realist view as the consequence's of our attempts to push to net zero too quickly become apparent.
When Kensal Riser makes quite extreme comments like "Renewables are the only solution". I wonder how aware of the amount of energy sourced from fossil fuels and just how big a shortfall Renewables would need to make up in a very short amount of time. I also wonder if he understands the intermittent nature of renewables and so the need for base load powers like nuclear being the key reliable power running along with renewables.
There is a shift here fortunately though. NPR article this week titled "Why even environmentalists are supporting nuclear power today"
Then a couple of days later the Diablo Canyon Nuclear plant in California had its life extended despite the environmentalist lobby pushing for it to close.
Kensal risers comment "nuclear takes too long" was the same thing Nick Clegg said in 2010 on the video on my first post. That power from a major plant would be coming on line in 2021 or 2022 he said dismissively back then
Reminds me of the proverb, "society grows great when old men plant trees who's shade they shall never sit in"
Anyway smaller nuclear plants can be done in a 2-3 years. When you consider that solar takes on average 4 years to get to the point where it produces as much power as it took to create it maybe not so clear cut on the speed side
Many of our politicians in the West shared the view of Kensal Riser and really believed "renewables are the only solution". But as it turns out they aren't ready to take on our energy needs as quick as they hoped
have been looking into this vaguely although I think finding an installer and sourcing the kit is not easy at the moment due to demand. Who did you use if you don't mind me asking?
I used a local company to where I live in Banbury as I try to support the small guys etc. He does MOD work all around the country so if you were still interested I could pass on details. He was about 10% more expensive than the big boys but is on the end of the phone if I need any help with anything. You are correct about the sourcing as I asked for a 2nd battery about a month after the original installation and it took until mid August before he was able to get one and the price in that time had risen from "around £1k fitted" to £2200 plus £200 fitting. The problem is that the materials and electronics are almost exclusively built in China. Owning nearly all the mineral mines in Western Australia has given them a global stranglehold.
An alarming trend seems to be power companies obtaining warrants to "enter" homes to install prepaid and smart meters. Time to get that slavering Rottweiler methinks.
They should hook up this thread to the national grid .....the hot air being generated here could run the whole of West London for a month with the energy created!!
AND WHEN I DREAM , I DREAM ABOUT YOU AND WHEN I SCREAM I SCREAM ABOUT YOU!!!!!
Turn off your lights when the wind doesn't blow,don't cook food until after 8pm,use a f*cking ten quid kettle for hot water...next thing you know they'll be banning outdoor Christmas lights.Mind you they've become like the Blackpool Illuminations in some places.
Hornsea 2 is fully operational and could supply 1.4M homes with reasonably-priced, Greta-approved (don't let that put you off, Sakkers) renewable electricity this winter (when the wind blows). Except it won't, because the operator has chosen to delay the contract by a year to 'guarantee its revenues further into the future', which is, I think, commerce-speak for 'screw customers for more for longer'.
Maybe Bazz has a point.
This on the back of two other windfarms, Moray East and Triton Knoll, doing exactly the same, a piece of profiteering market manipulation so blatant that even Kwasi Kwartang noticed:
So that's over 3 million homes-worth of renewable capacity sitting idle right now, for starters, before EDF has even begun installing the corroded components in Sizewell C.
Almost as though Kensal might have a point too. Though easy on the intemperate language please mate, Sakkers thinks I should police the whole internet and he gets twitchy if I miss one.
Relentless hounded off, he gave as good as he got (as do you) when it comes to name calling etc so no need for the whole martyr act.
Wasn't this "spot on about the whole thing" predictions including something about microchips and central digital currency. Yeah he was a visionary. I'd suggest doing a Boris and give it a little longer before rewriting history.
Jim- here’s a report tweeted out an hour ago by the World Economic Forum in which they say:
“The number of central #banks considering issuing their own digital #currencies is growing. Australia is the latest country to trial a digital currency”
Hornsea 2 is fully operational and could supply 1.4M homes with reasonably-priced, Greta-approved (don't let that put you off, Sakkers) renewable electricity this winter (when the wind blows). Except it won't, because the operator has chosen to delay the contract by a year to 'guarantee its revenues further into the future', which is, I think, commerce-speak for 'screw customers for more for longer'.
Maybe Bazz has a point.
This on the back of two other windfarms, Moray East and Triton Knoll, doing exactly the same, a piece of profiteering market manipulation so blatant that even Kwasi Kwartang noticed:
So that's over 3 million homes-worth of renewable capacity sitting idle right now, for starters, before EDF has even begun installing the corroded components in Sizewell C.
Almost as though Kensal might have a point too. Though easy on the intemperate language please mate, Sakkers thinks I should police the whole internet and he gets twitchy if I miss one.
These articles are behind a pay wall so I can’t see do they acknowledge the issues about the intermittent nature of wind power. What we do when it either isn’t windy enough or is too windy.
Thinking about this in the context of how well Doomberg already put it:
“It is widely known that adding intermittent electricity-generating sources to an electricity grid can substantially destabilize it. As it turns out, the reliable operation of a grid falls into the category of “tough problems that everybody takes for granted.” Electricity sources must be perfectly timed with anticipated demand, which is why utilities have a mix of always-on base load power (think coal, nuclear, and natural gas), mostly-on intermediate power (like renewables) and rarely-on peaking power (dedicated power plants — usually natural gas turbines — that only run when demand exceeds the combination of what the base load and intermediate facilities can produce).
Many of our policy makers govern from platitude to platitude. Most have no formal scientific training, nor have they spent any meaningful time working in heavy industry. It sounds good to be pro-renewable and simultaneously against nuclear energy. It sounds good to be against any new exploration and development of traditional fossil fuels in our own backyards. It sounds good to oppose the construction of new power plants using traditional fuels, no matter how critical they might be to the operation of the grid. It all sounds good, except taken in combination these positions make for predictably terrible policy that imperils the most economically vulnerable among us”
I was talking to someone fairly 'itk' about rolls royce's proposed 'mini' nuclear reactors - it's a shame the government won't commit to those as readily as the french built one at sizewell c and, over financial and time budgets, hinkley. That has issues with design,water supply etc etc with a company that is going to be stretched anyway with it's 'home' commitments,as frequently outlined by Private Eye.
What is it with these bastards and favouring foreign business's over ours?
Jim- here’s a report tweeted out an hour ago by the World Economic Forum in which they say:
“The number of central #banks considering issuing their own digital #currencies is growing. Australia is the latest country to trial a digital currency”
Maybe this guy wasn’t so far off on those predictions after all…
Well RB will be disappointed, I think his timeline had them in everyone's hand by now through force and threats of being refused access. So a BBC article "normalising" (see reporting on) is hardly half way to his prediction.
Back to energy I don't see how currently needing non renewable energy means we can't or shouldn't aim to get 100% renewable. We've drastically increased the amount of renewable energy being fed into the grid in the last decade, so why not continue. If it's merely storage issue then why not address that issue. If it is impossible due to physics, which I don't think it is, why isn't it a problem to be solved. Even a suggestion to limit renewables to say 70%, would be more of a conversation than saying that it just can't be done and we should build more nuclear.
I do take your point about intermittency, although 55 miles out into the North Sea, the wind is fairly reliable, at least in winter, which is conveniently when it is most need!
Equally I agree your point on base load - pragmatically, UK supply is always going to be a mix, and that must include nuclear, heck even biomass and fossil for the foreseeable. That's what I gather from reading Ol Sparky in Private Eye, anyhow. He seems to think we'll need energy rationing this winter too, so well done Liz for promising that we won't.
Still, It. Is. A. Disgrace. As Liz herself would put it, that these operators are allowed to profiteer, selling a huge chunk of capacity at spot instead of honouring central govt contracts at the agreed prices (which were hugely inflated anyhow, to make the projects viable at all). German and Dutch owned (I might be misremembering...) - you might have expected a bit of European solidarity from them, but business is business I suppose; Blame the Business Secretaries who signed the deals. That's the current and putative Chancellors, of course... Oh well.
Look at us, finding common ground and keeping on-thread though.
A sensible way of freezing energy prices for homes would be to offer electricity and gas up to say, £1500, maybe a touch more, for free and anything above that you have to pay for.
It would focus minds on being more careful with their usage.
It amazes me how many people leave their heating on 24/7 in the winter, it’s not necessary.
Re. panels.There was a complaint from someone on social media - not sure if genuine - that the Americans were using more than their "fair share" of sunlight.
Re. panels.There was a complaint from someone on social media - not sure if genuine - that the Americans were using more than their "fair share" of sunlight.
Thers an idea.......................Privatise the Sun. Simples.
You just know Lizard’s grand plan will be to keep people paying at the increased rates from April - and then the public will pay the excess over time. In simple form: the people will pay, but the energy companies with bulging pockets of cash won’t feel a hint of a pinch.
I’m sure it’s been said above already, but more debt heaped on people’s already heavily burdened shoulders.
'Always In Motion' by John Honney available on amazon.co.uk
You just know Lizard’s grand plan will be to keep people paying at the increased rates from April - and then the public will pay the excess over time. In simple form: the people will pay, but the energy companies with bulging pockets of cash won’t feel a hint of a pinch.
I’m sure it’s been said above already, but more debt heaped on people’s already heavily burdened shoulders.
Good job the UK managed to pay off the cost of the 2008 banking crisis; the furlough scheme; free weapons for Ukraine; and personal debts on our zero hour jobs before incurring more debts.
Actually let me back track: who is paying for the weaponry sent out to Kyiv? I bet BAE etc. aren’t donating it for neesh...
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'Always In Motion' by John Honney available on amazon.co.uk
The last massive price increase was April....most people probably had their central heating off....so even with a price cap freeze now , I think people are still gonna struggle!! Energy prices need to go down not be frozen at the present scandalous levels!!
AND WHEN I DREAM , I DREAM ABOUT YOU AND WHEN I SCREAM I SCREAM ABOUT YOU!!!!!
Today, Ed Miliband, Shadow Secretary of State for Climate Change and Net Zero, pointed this out:
"The only way out of the energy crisis is to get off fossil fuels as the price of fracked gas will be exactly the same price as imported gas, because gas is sold on an international market, and it's 9 times the price of renewables."
The Govt knows this but will still press ahead with drilling and fracking for oil and gas. Utter madness.
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