| Energy bills 23:01 - Aug 24 with 48301 views | Hayesender |
Watching the news earlier, they were talking about the impact these energy bill rises will have on small businesses.
It got me thinking (dangerous I know) about the potential effect it could have on our club, and other clubs of similar and smaller size?
Not only the day to day running costs and matchday costs, but also the affect its gonna have on attendances.
Obviously when it comes down to heating, eating, mortgage, rent etc, days out with mates and family watching football, or any sporting event, are gonna have to take a back seat for many people.
Unless the government (lol) take action now, its gonna be a bleak winter for many people and businesses, and I fear for people's mental well being |  |
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| Energy bills on 18:46 - Sep 9 with 2645 views | R_from_afar |
| Energy bills on 17:24 - Sep 9 by Sakura |
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/20/sri-lanka-fertiliser-ban-president
The first line here from the Guardian article is pretty telling:
“For the farmers of Sri Lanka, their problems began in April last year when President Gotabaya Rajapaksa, who now stands accused of pushing the country into financial ruin, implemented a sudden ban on chemical fertilisers.
The full implications of the ill-advised policy — which has now been reversed — are only just being realised. Farmers say their livelihoods are under threat and for the first time in its modern history, Sri Lanka, which usually grows rice and vegetables in abundance, could run out of food as harvests drop”
Rajith Keerthi Tennakoon, 52, former governor of the southern province. “We have had past economic crises, security crises but never in Sri Lanka’s history have we had a food crisis.”
In Rajanganaya, where most farmers operate on a small scale with no more than a hectare apiece, the majority of those the Guardian spoke to reported between a 50% to 60% reduction in their crop harvest.
These are the people who suffer most from your views of trying to speed run switch to renewables [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 17:25]
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I can hear the sound of hooves. Yep, the unmistakable sound of the gish gallop, and one I recognise....because you used exactly the same tactic with me.
Like me, dmm was only talking about energy. Now you have twisted and broadened the argument by focusing on fertiliser and food production.
You also keep talking about physics, as if science is the preserve of those who are against renewables - which it is not, see some of my earlier posts which quote physicists and universities - but then mysteriously spend a lot of time quoting Doomberg, an unidentifiable and anonymous source whose logo is a green, cartoon chicken.
Mind you, the "Ah but I'm going to talk about the science/physics" ploy is a classic move I have seen from others trying to undermine renewables, like Matt Ridley.
There are plenty of quantified, independent research studies out there which make the case *for* renewables. Some of them have been quoted in this thread, a thread which is about energy. |  |
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| Energy bills on 11:06 - Sep 10 with 2474 views | Sakura |
| Energy bills on 18:46 - Sep 9 by R_from_afar |
I can hear the sound of hooves. Yep, the unmistakable sound of the gish gallop, and one I recognise....because you used exactly the same tactic with me.
Like me, dmm was only talking about energy. Now you have twisted and broadened the argument by focusing on fertiliser and food production.
You also keep talking about physics, as if science is the preserve of those who are against renewables - which it is not, see some of my earlier posts which quote physicists and universities - but then mysteriously spend a lot of time quoting Doomberg, an unidentifiable and anonymous source whose logo is a green, cartoon chicken.
Mind you, the "Ah but I'm going to talk about the science/physics" ploy is a classic move I have seen from others trying to undermine renewables, like Matt Ridley.
There are plenty of quantified, independent research studies out there which make the case *for* renewables. Some of them have been quoted in this thread, a thread which is about energy. |
"twisted and broadened the argument by focusing on fertiliser and food production"
Just tells me you don't understand the direct link.
Nitrogen fertilisers are the most common fertiliser in the world. The key ingredient in their production is natural gas. As we restrict that we as I have shown with examples we have less food. We also have less CO2 for industry and so less able to transport frozen foods
There are a lot of people who like you don't understand the direct link and because of that many people are going to die over the next couple of years around the world.
Many other consequences to all this. But I thought the food production and fertiliser link to energy example was an easy one to understand. Apparently not [Post edited 10 Sep 2022 11:06]
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| Energy bills on 12:11 - Sep 10 with 2426 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Energy bills on 11:06 - Sep 10 by Sakura |
"twisted and broadened the argument by focusing on fertiliser and food production"
Just tells me you don't understand the direct link.
Nitrogen fertilisers are the most common fertiliser in the world. The key ingredient in their production is natural gas. As we restrict that we as I have shown with examples we have less food. We also have less CO2 for industry and so less able to transport frozen foods
There are a lot of people who like you don't understand the direct link and because of that many people are going to die over the next couple of years around the world.
Many other consequences to all this. But I thought the food production and fertiliser link to energy example was an easy one to understand. Apparently not [Post edited 10 Sep 2022 11:06]
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I’m not going to pretend I know a lot about this but I thought the fertilizer problem in Sri Lanka stems from concerns over the safety of the fertilizer itself? Harmful bacteria or something. Nothing to do with energy use or production techniques. Tin hat on! |  |
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| Energy bills on 12:49 - Sep 10 with 2385 views | Sakura |
| Energy bills on 12:11 - Sep 10 by CliveWilsonSaid |
I’m not going to pretend I know a lot about this but I thought the fertilizer problem in Sri Lanka stems from concerns over the safety of the fertilizer itself? Harmful bacteria or something. Nothing to do with energy use or production techniques. Tin hat on! |
You’recompletely right that. Sri Lanka's government opted voluntarily to ban chemical fertilisers. It got them an excellent ESG score of 98 from the World Economic Forum
But that as The Guardian put ut is where "the problems began"
Netherlands to has a government imposing this voluntarily on its farmers hence the recent protests that got a fraction of the coverage of BLM and extinction rebellion types do.
But also now as we have seen here with the example of the recent closure of our own only remaining fertiliser plant this is just now happening as the energy input costs make it unviable for farmers
Although the cause now is different it's not voluntary. The effects will be the same only this time on a major scale
Had we not limited fossil fuel exploration, or expanison of nuclear we just wouldn't have this problem | | | |
| Energy bills on 13:21 - Sep 10 with 2320 views | Ranger_Things |
The Queen secretly lobbied ministers to become the only landowner in Scotland to be exempt from renewable energy guidelines.
The King has been quite forthright on green issues, let’s hope he puts his (our) money where his mouth is. |  | | |
| Energy bills on 13:27 - Sep 10 with 2317 views | dmm |
The Tory Govt's decade long failure on renewables and house insulation has led them to borrow £150 bn to sort out the energy crisis, a sum you and I will have to pay back, rather than the energy companies currently wallowing in unprecedented profits. How could this have possibly happened?
Read this link: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/09/tories-decade-fossil-fuel- |  | | |
| Energy bills on 14:03 - Sep 10 with 2272 views | Sonofpugwash |
| Energy bills on 13:21 - Sep 10 by Ranger_Things |
The Queen secretly lobbied ministers to become the only landowner in Scotland to be exempt from renewable energy guidelines.
The King has been quite forthright on green issues, let’s hope he puts his (our) money where his mouth is. |
So he's sort of Green King In Palace Actually? |  |
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| Energy bills on 15:55 - Sep 10 with 2142 views | R_from_afar |
| Energy bills on 11:06 - Sep 10 by Sakura |
"twisted and broadened the argument by focusing on fertiliser and food production"
Just tells me you don't understand the direct link.
Nitrogen fertilisers are the most common fertiliser in the world. The key ingredient in their production is natural gas. As we restrict that we as I have shown with examples we have less food. We also have less CO2 for industry and so less able to transport frozen foods
There are a lot of people who like you don't understand the direct link and because of that many people are going to die over the next couple of years around the world.
Many other consequences to all this. But I thought the food production and fertiliser link to energy example was an easy one to understand. Apparently not [Post edited 10 Sep 2022 11:06]
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If, as you say, natural gas is essential for the production of fertiliser, it could still be used for that purpose if the world got to the point where gas was no longer being used to produce energy. | |
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| Energy bills on 18:09 - Sep 10 with 2045 views | Sonofpugwash |
There's always human fertiliser of course - plenty of that around apparently. | |
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| Energy bills on 18:57 - Sep 10 with 2013 views | davman |
| Energy bills on 14:44 - Sep 6 by PlanetHonneywood |
Good job the UK managed to pay off the cost of the 2008 banking crisis; the furlough scheme; free weapons for Ukraine; and personal debts on our zero hour jobs before incurring more debts.
Actually let me back track: who is paying for the weaponry sent out to Kyiv? I bet BAE etc. aren’t donating it for neesh... [Post edited 6 Sep 2022 14:46]
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Take a look at their Share Price since the start of the war and that'll tell you what you need to know... |  |
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| Energy bills on 15:07 - Sep 12 with 1745 views | QPR_John |
“ "In the past, when you used a self-service pump to buy fuel, the exact cost would only show up against your account balance one or two days after you filled up”
I’ve been paying at the pump for a while now and when finished you can get a receipt immediately.
No skin of my nose if they bring in this system but I get annoyed when they try to say if helps the customer.
Edit: Just looked at it again and I assume it only applies to debit cards | | | |
| Energy bills on 15:26 - Sep 12 with 1708 views | dmm |
Wholesale gas prices have halved in a fortnight yet our gas bills will be going up £500pa very soon. Why? | | | |
| Energy bills on 09:27 - Sep 13 with 1339 views | dmm |
Some very interesting details on the UK's energy supply of which I've only recently become fully aware.
More than 50% of Britain’s electricity needs are covered by wind power, which is cheap to produce, and around 15% is covered by nuclear. As for reliance on gas, which is around 35% of British electricity, more or less all of it comes from the North Sea. The UK doesn’t need Russian gas and doesn’t need to import anything.
Why then is the cost of electricity in the UK rising? The answer lies in the privatisation of the electricity system in the UK that Thatcher introduced. It's failed to keep energy prices down as was promised. Instead, we have energy companies making obscene profits because they can, while the poor and vulnerable suffer. And that's neo-liberal economics in a nutshell. | | | |
| Energy bills on 10:53 - Sep 13 with 3026 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Energy bills on 09:27 - Sep 13 by dmm |
Some very interesting details on the UK's energy supply of which I've only recently become fully aware.
More than 50% of Britain’s electricity needs are covered by wind power, which is cheap to produce, and around 15% is covered by nuclear. As for reliance on gas, which is around 35% of British electricity, more or less all of it comes from the North Sea. The UK doesn’t need Russian gas and doesn’t need to import anything.
Why then is the cost of electricity in the UK rising? The answer lies in the privatisation of the electricity system in the UK that Thatcher introduced. It's failed to keep energy prices down as was promised. Instead, we have energy companies making obscene profits because they can, while the poor and vulnerable suffer. And that's neo-liberal economics in a nutshell. |
Then they use the crisis they’ve created as an excuse to bring in ‘emergency’ powers to saddle the country (us) with more debt that is given to the very same businesses that are creating the crisis. Who then pass on the ‘relief’ funds to their share-holders, who are probably the same people who lent the money in the first place. It’s brilliant in some ways. | |
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| Energy bills on 15:47 - Sep 13 with 2812 views | QPR_John |
Well the energy cap seems to be working. A few weeks ago I received an email from OVO Energy saying if I did not increase my DD this time next year I would be over £600 in debt. Just looked at my account on their website and they now say I will £75 in credit | | | |
| Energy bills on 15:55 - Sep 13 with 2796 views | Mick_S |
| Energy bills on 15:47 - Sep 13 by QPR_John |
Well the energy cap seems to be working. A few weeks ago I received an email from OVO Energy saying if I did not increase my DD this time next year I would be over £600 in debt. Just looked at my account on their website and they now say I will £75 in credit |
A similar thing happened to us, John. I appreciate we are approaching the bad weather etc, and usage will increase, but it’s a feckin mess. I’m just going to try and control the direct debit and see what happens. I do realise that some are not so lucky; it must be such a worry. |  |
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| Energy bills on 18:25 - Sep 21 with 2440 views | Discodroids |
Just been informed today of my new direct Debit of £245 a month. Up from £155.
Painful. |  |
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| Energy bills on 20:10 - Sep 21 with 2337 views | PBLOCK |
| Energy bills on 18:25 - Sep 21 by Discodroids |
Just been informed today of my new direct Debit of £245 a month. Up from £155.
Painful. |
I like yourself live on the Essex Riviera
Ours has been on the rise for a while but as we have been paying the same £180 quid a month for a while our new bill has come back at about £155
Still a racket but every little helps I guess | | | |
| Energy bills on 21:22 - Sep 21 with 2250 views | Lblock |
| Energy bills on 18:25 - Sep 21 by Discodroids |
Just been informed today of my new direct Debit of £245 a month. Up from £155.
Painful. |
Whilst energy bills aren't easy to read -- check 'em!
Your DD is not a reflection of your usage DD (!!!)
If you find they have set your DD too high then you can get them to reduce it but the catch22 is you'll need to show that over a fair amount of time.
Ours was always a bit too much and we sort of used it as a savings pot albeit really small.
Now I am on it like a tramp on chips as lots of these companies are just extracting the yellow stuff.
If you need a hand with anything feel free to gimme a shout. |  |
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| Energy bills on 21:29 - Sep 21 with 2238 views | Mick_S |
| Energy bills on 18:25 - Sep 21 by Discodroids |
Just been informed today of my new direct Debit of £245 a month. Up from £155.
Painful. |
Glenn,
I believe that regarding your direct debit payments that you are in control of them regarding your energy bills. As long as you are paying monthly, ie not defaulting, you should be ok. Surely, they cannot enforce an increased payment?
I mentioned earlier on this thread that my energy company whacked my d/d up by a fortune. I told them that I wasn’t having it, but would pay an agreed increase that I could afford, which they agreed to.
Feck them. | |
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| Energy bills on 21:31 - Sep 21 with 2232 views | colinallcars |
I was watching the news round the brother-in-law's.
They said supporting companies with their bills would cost the taxpayer 100 billion pounds.
The brother-in-law said “Is that each ?” |  | | |
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