| Stoke 20:54 - Aug 22 with 19584 views | Magic_Michu |
They are really in a mess... spending millions gambling on going straight back up and looking like relegation fodder at the moment. |  |
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| Stoke on 15:07 - Aug 23 with 1188 views | Catullus |
| Stoke on 15:00 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
So again.. regardless of who is brought in, you just want him gone yes? |
This is often how football works, people are sacked, released, sold or not renewed all the time then a replacement is sought out. In the real world people bad at their jobs get fired/laid off and they advertise for replacements, then interview and eventually appoint. In our case, maybe we could just bite that bullet and instead of a chairman just utilise the CEO. Or, if we want a genuine club man, a fantastic, wel loved and respected chairman, ask Alan Curtis to stand in while we seek out someone.
It seems to me you are accusing everyone of purely wanting revenge whilst seemingly defending Jenkins at all costs, why is that? |  |
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| Stoke on 15:08 - Aug 23 with 1174 views | swan65split |
| Stoke on 15:07 - Aug 23 by Catullus |
This is often how football works, people are sacked, released, sold or not renewed all the time then a replacement is sought out. In the real world people bad at their jobs get fired/laid off and they advertise for replacements, then interview and eventually appoint. In our case, maybe we could just bite that bullet and instead of a chairman just utilise the CEO. Or, if we want a genuine club man, a fantastic, wel loved and respected chairman, ask Alan Curtis to stand in while we seek out someone.
It seems to me you are accusing everyone of purely wanting revenge whilst seemingly defending Jenkins at all costs, why is that? |
Good Point.. |  | | |
| Stoke on 15:13 - Aug 23 with 1156 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 15:07 - Aug 23 by Catullus |
This is often how football works, people are sacked, released, sold or not renewed all the time then a replacement is sought out. In the real world people bad at their jobs get fired/laid off and they advertise for replacements, then interview and eventually appoint. In our case, maybe we could just bite that bullet and instead of a chairman just utilise the CEO. Or, if we want a genuine club man, a fantastic, wel loved and respected chairman, ask Alan Curtis to stand in while we seek out someone.
It seems to me you are accusing everyone of purely wanting revenge whilst seemingly defending Jenkins at all costs, why is that? |
But usually the company isn’t currently wetting themselves over the current performance designed by said employee, after that same employee just brought them their most successful 15 year period in their century old history outperforming anything most associated with the company could ever dream of.
I am not accusing anyone of anything and am not defending anyone. I am making an accurate deduction of what is going on. People are incriminating themselves right left and centre. Want him out regardless of who is brought in and on another thread we have people wanting the club to suffer a points deduction just for the old board to lose their own personal money.
This revenge is breeding negativity and pissing on what Potter, the team and the club is trying to create. The irony being of course is that putting personal gratification ahead of the club is what Jenkins is being blamed for yet it is now the driving force behind a lot of these fans views for their own gratification above club wellbeing.
If it wasn’t so tragic it would be deliciously ironic. [Post edited 23 Aug 2018 15:18]
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| Stoke on 15:16 - Aug 23 with 1144 views | TheResurrection |
| Stoke on 12:36 - Aug 23 by jack247 |
There aren’t lists as long as your arm of that many signings in a single season that misfired as badly as ours did at every club. It’s very rare, it’s spectacularly bad recruitment and the reason we went down.
Yes, I totally take your point that if we’d been run more prudently we would likely have been relegated sooner. I wouldn’t have said so at the time, but that would have been preferable to 3?seasons circling the drain followed by selling those assets off for a fraction of their cost.
At the moment, we’ve got a bright young manager playing great football with a paper thin squad. It’s not sustainable as it is, we are papering over the cracks.
If we ever go up again, I’d take a shorter stay and a smoother transition into the Championship over knowing we are going to go down eventually and when we do, we’ll be a complete mess. |
Mate, don't take offence to this but fack off with your 'perfect world' bollocks is it.
You'd swear you or others would've done everything so meticulously right the whole time. Can't you see how pathetic and flawed that rubbish is, especially when you've never ever bought a Premier league player in your life, or are likely to.
Back to FIFA. |  |
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| Stoke on 15:16 - Aug 23 with 1139 views | dobjack2 |
| Stoke on 14:59 - Aug 23 by Fireboy2 |
Who are these strong performers on good money we have kept then chris?
The only ones i can think of is Vdh and Fer |
Carroll, olssen naughton montero dyer routledge | | | |
| Stoke on 15:19 - Aug 23 with 1127 views | swan65split |
| Stoke on 15:13 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
But usually the company isn’t currently wetting themselves over the current performance designed by said employee, after that same employee just brought them their most successful 15 year period in their century old history outperforming anything most associated with the company could ever dream of.
I am not accusing anyone of anything and am not defending anyone. I am making an accurate deduction of what is going on. People are incriminating themselves right left and centre. Want him out regardless of who is brought in and on another thread we have people wanting the club to suffer a points deduction just for the old board to lose their own personal money.
This revenge is breeding negativity and pissing on what Potter, the team and the club is trying to create. The irony being of course is that putting personal gratification ahead of the club is what Jenkins is being blamed for yet it is now the driving force behind a lot of these fans views for their own gratification above club wellbeing.
If it wasn’t so tragic it would be deliciously ironic. [Post edited 23 Aug 2018 15:18]
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an accurate assumption is that we have been relegated, been the subject of ridicule since just before the sale.
Forget whats gone on before, stop playing mind games its not revenge, its time for change, the club has said it , the WaXks have said it, we are told the recruitment has changed, so he is now just a puppet taking the flak and 500k,
get rid and get some else as stated Footballers change, owners change , staff change, now change him,,,,for the best interest of the fans/club, ,,,,if they talk of unity. | | | |
| Stoke on 15:20 - Aug 23 with 1118 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 15:19 - Aug 23 by swan65split |
an accurate assumption is that we have been relegated, been the subject of ridicule since just before the sale.
Forget whats gone on before, stop playing mind games its not revenge, its time for change, the club has said it , the WaXks have said it, we are told the recruitment has changed, so he is now just a puppet taking the flak and 500k,
get rid and get some else as stated Footballers change, owners change , staff change, now change him,,,,for the best interest of the fans/club, ,,,,if they talk of unity. |
Every club outside the elite get relegated.
Why should we be any different? | |
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| Stoke on 15:22 - Aug 23 with 1111 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Stoke on 13:47 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
Yes they would.
Hence why they did it for personal gain. |
Agreed Jenkins and Co sold out purely for personal gain with no regard for the impact on the club and it's supporters. |  |
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| Stoke on 15:24 - Aug 23 with 1105 views | swan65split |
| Stoke on 15:20 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
Every club outside the elite get relegated.
Why should we be any different? |
I give up , honestly , you talk of trolls , but surely your up there .
just keep praising your idol
Have a nice day/ night, or parallel universe wherever you are. | | | |
| Stoke on 15:26 - Aug 23 with 1098 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 15:22 - Aug 23 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Agreed Jenkins and Co sold out purely for personal gain with no regard for the impact on the club and it's supporters. |
Well I said it was for personal gain, I didn’t say what it wasn’t for.
I also happen to think it was because the club had financially reached its peak and needed owners with the ability to move the club on. They could do no more and taken it as far as they could.
So back to my point. Why do you think who the Americans would put in charge would put the club over themselves? | |
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| Stoke on 15:28 - Aug 23 with 1084 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 15:24 - Aug 23 by swan65split |
I give up , honestly , you talk of trolls , but surely your up there .
just keep praising your idol
Have a nice day/ night, or parallel universe wherever you are. |
So you are now resorting to calling me troll because I made the point that every single club gets relegated outside the elite? I don’t think staying the obvious constitutes trolling regardless of how convenient it is to shout. | |
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| Stoke on 15:29 - Aug 23 with 1072 views | swan65split |
| Stoke on 15:28 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
So you are now resorting to calling me troll because I made the point that every single club gets relegated outside the elite? I don’t think staying the obvious constitutes trolling regardless of how convenient it is to shout. |
you are just going around in circles mun ffs
same points, questions all the time
who? relegated? just to keep going on and on....for what agenda I ask. | | | |
| Stoke on 15:32 - Aug 23 with 1059 views | TheResurrection |
| Stoke on 12:37 - Aug 23 by 34dfgdf54 |
Wouldn't a budget indicate what money there is to spend?
Our outgoings have compensated for the drop in revenue from Premier League to Championship, it's not money readilly available. |
Far too simplistic a definition. Yes it's our income minus our expenditure but for the whole season, not just the bloody summer.
And our income is reported to be around 60m. Only two teams come anywhere close to this.
Plus we've cut our wage bill down and are still trying to.
So we've got one of the biggest budgets in this league.
What we'll do with it is another matter. | |
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| Stoke on 15:32 - Aug 23 with 1056 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 15:29 - Aug 23 by swan65split |
you are just going around in circles mun ffs
same points, questions all the time
who? relegated? just to keep going on and on....for what agenda I ask. |
The agenda of showing that our fans are currently our biggest problem.
Out for revenge at any cost to the club and ruining the feel good factor that Potter, the team, Jenkins and co are working hard to restore.
It’s awful. | |
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| Stoke on 15:35 - Aug 23 with 1053 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Stoke on 15:26 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
Well I said it was for personal gain, I didn’t say what it wasn’t for.
I also happen to think it was because the club had financially reached its peak and needed owners with the ability to move the club on. They could do no more and taken it as far as they could.
So back to my point. Why do you think who the Americans would put in charge would put the club over themselves? |
That's right, we have owners who are not good custodians. | |
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| Stoke on 15:35 - Aug 23 with 1052 views | TheResurrection |
| Stoke on 13:18 - Aug 23 by Neath_Jack |
The reason we went down is because we didn't score enough goals to stay up.
Whether that was because of the tactics, the playing staff, the coaching staff or just the general malaise about the club, is up for debate, probably a mixture of all of them i'd guess.
Football is a simple game chaps.
We didn't score enough goals. |
Bang on. | |
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| Stoke on 15:38 - Aug 23 with 1037 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 15:35 - Aug 23 by JACKMANANDBOY |
That's right, we have owners who are not good custodians. |
Ok.
So in answer to my question? | |
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| Stoke on 15:38 - Aug 23 with 1037 views | swan65split |
| Stoke on 15:32 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
The agenda of showing that our fans are currently our biggest problem.
Out for revenge at any cost to the club and ruining the feel good factor that Potter, the team, Jenkins and co are working hard to restore.
It’s awful. |
Thats your opinion.
PS...your not always right. | | | |
| Stoke on 15:39 - Aug 23 with 1033 views | TheResurrection |
| Stoke on 13:44 - Aug 23 by Catullus |
WE'd be better off because the vast majority of the hate and bile being spewed forth is aimed at Jenkins, he is the focal point for most of the ill will, people blame him for....in no particular order, lying about the sale of the club, that the Americans were needed for investment to take us to the next level, making asuccession of bad decisions that saw us spend a lot of money on failures (I haven't spoken to anyone or seen online any post saying Clucas was a good deal yet, beforehand I spoke to many who hoped we didn't sign him, specially at that price) and the constant turmoil we seem to have been in with the Trust being frozen out and several rumours of dodgy business deals, like a certain shareholder who got a supply contract supposedly only because of those shares/being with the in crowd.
People don't like or want the Americans anymore yet I accept we have to go with them because we have no choice. Huw Jenkins however, well he can be removed and after all, he himself said his position would be untenable if we got relegated. The Turkey predicted Christmas is coming and is still managing to avoid the oven but the heat is rising! |
You've not answered the main point over and over again.
It's Jenkins that brought in Potter.
Without Jenkins to guide the ship we'd be left with whoever the Americans brought in.
This cannot happen and no amount of cutting your noses off should warrant it. | |
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| Stoke on 15:40 - Aug 23 with 1027 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 15:38 - Aug 23 by swan65split |
Thats your opinion.
PS...your not always right. |
It isn’t an opinion.
You just said you wanted him out regardless of who is brought in.
On the other thread we have people wanting the club to have a points deduction in return for being able to burn the sell outs personal cash.
It’s revenge. | |
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| Stoke on 15:43 - Aug 23 with 1025 views | TheResurrection |
Good job he's got his way with the choice of manager and we're winning some again then. | |
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| Stoke on 15:53 - Aug 23 with 1001 views | swan65split |
| Stoke on 15:40 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
It isn’t an opinion.
You just said you wanted him out regardless of who is brought in.
On the other thread we have people wanting the club to have a points deduction in return for being able to burn the sell outs personal cash.
It’s revenge. |
Its not revenge,,,,,i said in a post earlier the club was becoming a joke before the sale, I believe he had lost it then, time to go, fresh blood. | | | |
| Stoke on 15:56 - Aug 23 with 991 views | swan65split |
| Stoke on 15:43 - Aug 23 by TheResurrection |
Good job he's got his way with the choice of manager and we're winning some again then. |
early days,,,,,,,,,,,but heres hoping. keeping all m 6 fingers crossed
dont want to do a Clement singing praises this early do we? | | | |
| Stoke on 15:56 - Aug 23 with 985 views | TheResurrection |
| Stoke on 14:48 - Aug 23 by swan65split |
Maybe thats your problem.......... 
Responsibility.......
“I oversee our recruitment and we probably do things in a more old-fashioned way than most clubs, in that we actually go and watch players,” Jenkins said. “In so many clubs they over-complicate what they do on transfers. It doesn’t matter how many people you’ve got in a room deciding what players you want, somebody has to make a decision. It’s easier to have fewer opinions and keep it simple."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/swansea-city/11601125/Swansea-C
edit....link
my words , he simply fooked us up. hes responsible, so he should go. [Post edited 23 Aug 2018 14:49]
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A couple of things.
The first, this is exactly where we've gone wrong in recent years. We've now had the American involvement in transfers and even the money ball guy. This has complicated our process no end.
Secondly, he took his eye off the ball, massively when he wanted to sell his shares. I blame him every bit like the next man for that and constantly posted about it at the time.
And lastly, fishing for quotes somebody once said for the sole purpose to pick them apart is pretty naff. Things change, opinions change, life evolves and what worked once doesn't mean it always will. | |
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| Stoke on 15:59 - Aug 23 with 978 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 15:53 - Aug 23 by swan65split |
Its not revenge,,,,,i said in a post earlier the club was becoming a joke before the sale, I believe he had lost it then, time to go, fresh blood. |
Before the sale we had just finished 8th and then 12th in the Premier League.
A joke we were not, regardless of how convenient that would be to your rhetoric. | |
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