| Stoke 20:54 - Aug 22 with 19589 views | Magic_Michu |
They are really in a mess... spending millions gambling on going straight back up and looking like relegation fodder at the moment. |  |
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| Stoke on 14:02 - Aug 23 with 1280 views | jack247 |
| Stoke on 13:43 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
No it wouldn’t.
Bonys signature represented a chance to remain in the league and recycle the money. Llorente staying with a broken arm, no pre season and a contract measured in months is the sort of decision made by utter imbeciles. If you think that was the right decision then you don’t really have any grounds to criticise other decisions because that is just off the chart bonkers. It is reaigning yourself to relegation after just admitting your ambition would be to remain at the highest level.
“Could have spent wiser” is such a silly point of view though. You have absolutely no idea what our realistic options were at the time. None. Had our most successful PL striker Bony failed to make an impact the first time around you could say “could have spent it wiser”. It’s juat reactionary rubbish based on not a lot of information.
Your options represent a doomsday scenario, just like your last post when you referenced Portsmouth. That wasn’t a scenario here so a futile discussion. Costs had peaked, they were not outstripping income. It means we would stagnate, not be financially crippled. So 10 years in the PL please - without question.
You have no idea what is and isn’t sustainable with the plans in place for this side. You are just decided it will be a negative slant regardless. |
I’m saying that as an extreme example and with hindsight. I certainly wasn’t suggesting it at the time. With hindsight, keeping Llorente, or throwing McBurnie in would have been a better option. Without it, there would have been plenty of capable strikers with better injury records, not in a position to demand that kind of money because they weren’t already being paid it.
You don’t think we could have spent wiser than Bony, Clucas, Mesa and Ayew? That’s not even taking our loans into account.
Costs had peaked. How could you possibly know that? How do you know what this seasons spending would have been in the PL? It’s a fair bet that both costs and income would have risen each year. It’s also not a massive stretch to assume that the gap between PL and Championship incomes would also increase.
When has a team with one fit striker, two centre backs (plus a backup with no league experience) and no holding midfielder ever been successful over a 46 game season at Championship level? |  | | |
| Stoke on 14:03 - Aug 23 with 1271 views | E20Jack |
The article is accurate.
Your quote isn’t. He didn’t say what you claim. |  |
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| Stoke on 14:10 - Aug 23 with 1239 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 14:02 - Aug 23 by jack247 |
I’m saying that as an extreme example and with hindsight. I certainly wasn’t suggesting it at the time. With hindsight, keeping Llorente, or throwing McBurnie in would have been a better option. Without it, there would have been plenty of capable strikers with better injury records, not in a position to demand that kind of money because they weren’t already being paid it.
You don’t think we could have spent wiser than Bony, Clucas, Mesa and Ayew? That’s not even taking our loans into account.
Costs had peaked. How could you possibly know that? How do you know what this seasons spending would have been in the PL? It’s a fair bet that both costs and income would have risen each year. It’s also not a massive stretch to assume that the gap between PL and Championship incomes would also increase.
When has a team with one fit striker, two centre backs (plus a backup with no league experience) and no holding midfielder ever been successful over a 46 game season at Championship level? |
Well if you are changing your opinion based on hindsight and then holding others to account standing on that hindsight then it’s worthless isn’t it. Let’s be fair.
I have absolutely no idea what our options were in order to make a judgement. Neither do you. They clear we’re not expansive as common sense and the result tells us. If it is an option of signing them or nobody in a situation like we found ourselves in then it would be a choice to sign them all day long.
Costs peaked because we had nigh on £100m wage bill. That’s what happens when all your Championship players disappear and your whole squad is made up of PL players on PL wages. Signings that don’t work out accumulate until you are left with a massive and expensive squad. The more successful you are at making good decisions the longer you stave that off. We staved that off for longer than anyone could have dreamed posiableZ
I don’t know how often a team like us has had success in the Championship. The same could be said about our success in the PL. The mistake you are making is thinking that the whole future lies in this season. Our squad will be a work in progress, you may well want it all now. But the people in charge aren’t going to just sign anyone to fill numbers and won’t be spending more than we can bare. This should be applauded. | |
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| Stoke on 14:30 - Aug 23 with 1191 views | E20Jack |
Yep.
So he didn’t say if we get relegated his position would be untenable then did he. People with an agenda took his words and attributed a time limit to them to fit a narrative and decided to run with it and pretend that is what he said. I took that as a long term view of the future, but then again I don’t have an agenda.
We sit in the top 6 in the league and remain undefeated thi season. Or doesn’t that count and he must have been talking about a specific period of games between two dates we decide upon to give us the answer we want? [Post edited 23 Aug 2018 14:31]
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| Stoke on 14:31 - Aug 23 with 1193 views | jack247 |
| Stoke on 14:10 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
Well if you are changing your opinion based on hindsight and then holding others to account standing on that hindsight then it’s worthless isn’t it. Let’s be fair.
I have absolutely no idea what our options were in order to make a judgement. Neither do you. They clear we’re not expansive as common sense and the result tells us. If it is an option of signing them or nobody in a situation like we found ourselves in then it would be a choice to sign them all day long.
Costs peaked because we had nigh on £100m wage bill. That’s what happens when all your Championship players disappear and your whole squad is made up of PL players on PL wages. Signings that don’t work out accumulate until you are left with a massive and expensive squad. The more successful you are at making good decisions the longer you stave that off. We staved that off for longer than anyone could have dreamed posiableZ
I don’t know how often a team like us has had success in the Championship. The same could be said about our success in the PL. The mistake you are making is thinking that the whole future lies in this season. Our squad will be a work in progress, you may well want it all now. But the people in charge aren’t going to just sign anyone to fill numbers and won’t be spending more than we can bare. This should be applauded. |
I’m not basing my opinion on hindsight, I’m providing and example based on it and I’ll reply to the rest later, but you can’t seriously think that with the transfer fee and wages we paid, it was a choice between Bony or nobody? | | | |
| Stoke on 14:32 - Aug 23 with 1187 views | E20Jack |
Penny.
Dropped. | |
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| Stoke on 14:36 - Aug 23 with 1173 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 14:31 - Aug 23 by jack247 |
I’m not basing my opinion on hindsight, I’m providing and example based on it and I’ll reply to the rest later, but you can’t seriously think that with the transfer fee and wages we paid, it was a choice between Bony or nobody? |
Yes you are. Read it again.
Bony or nobody suitable would be more accurate. Yes I truly believe that.
This isn’t a computer game. It takes a lot to convince a player of a certain standard to come and play for relegation standard teams. | |
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| Stoke on 14:39 - Aug 23 with 1172 views | swan65split |
| Stoke on 14:30 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
Yep.
So he didn’t say if we get relegated his position would be untenable then did he. People with an agenda took his words and attributed a time limit to them to fit a narrative and decided to run with it and pretend that is what he said. I took that as a long term view of the future, but then again I don’t have an agenda.
We sit in the top 6 in the league and remain undefeated thi season. Or doesn’t that count and he must have been talking about a specific period of games between two dates we decide upon to give us the answer we want? [Post edited 23 Aug 2018 14:31]
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I had the same problem
Vicar says do "you Chris take?"
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| Stoke on 14:40 - Aug 23 with 1161 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 14:39 - Aug 23 by swan65split |
I had the same problem
Vicar says do "you Chris take?"
ffs |
No idea what that means. | |
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| Stoke on 14:54 - Aug 23 with 1110 views | TheResurrection |
| Stoke on 11:28 - Aug 23 by thornabyswan |
Bony is reportedly on 100k a week over 5 million a year.
Championship clubs without parachute money have 6 million a year in Sky revenue incredible really.
So yes our wage bill is still high but the transfer budget this season was low 5.5 spent on fees against 47 million approx received.
Not knocking it because we needed to cut back but _41.5 million does not equate to one of the biggest budgets. |
Of course it does. Yeah we've got shot of high earners to bring things back to a more level playing field but we've kept some strong performers on bloody good money, paid a decent fee and earnings for Celina and Asora, will now hopefully bring in some loanees who'll also be on a good whack and our wage bill will be one of the highest in this league.
That's what a budget is. It's not just a transfer kitty, it's your whole cost operation, and that needs managing. |  |
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| Stoke on 14:56 - Aug 23 with 1105 views | swan65split |
| Stoke on 14:54 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
So you recognise (I hope) that every single club makes signings that don’t work out. Yet you want our most successful chairman ever to go simply because he proves not immune to that notion... and you wish it exoect the Americans to replace him with whom exactly?
Or again does that not matter? |
yes I want him gone, simples . | | | |
| Stoke on 14:57 - Aug 23 with 1095 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 14:56 - Aug 23 by swan65split |
yes I want him gone, simples . |
Regardless of who is brought in? | |
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| Stoke on 14:57 - Aug 23 with 1098 views | swan65split |
| Stoke on 14:54 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
So you recognise (I hope) that every single club makes signings that don’t work out. Yet you want our most successful chairman ever to go simply because he proves not immune to that notion... and you wish it exoect the Americans to replace him with whom exactly?
Or again does that not matter? |
why keep a failiure? | | | |
| Stoke on 14:58 - Aug 23 with 1095 views | swan65split |
| Stoke on 14:57 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
Regardless of who is brought in? |
Bring in the Res....hes all mouth and trooooosers, he seems to know it all along with someone else on here | | | |
| Stoke on 14:59 - Aug 23 with 1093 views | Fireboy2 |
| Stoke on 14:54 - Aug 23 by TheResurrection |
Of course it does. Yeah we've got shot of high earners to bring things back to a more level playing field but we've kept some strong performers on bloody good money, paid a decent fee and earnings for Celina and Asora, will now hopefully bring in some loanees who'll also be on a good whack and our wage bill will be one of the highest in this league.
That's what a budget is. It's not just a transfer kitty, it's your whole cost operation, and that needs managing. |
Who are these strong performers on good money we have kept then chris?
The only ones i can think of is Vdh and Fer |  | | |
| Stoke on 15:00 - Aug 23 with 1089 views | Catullus |
| Stoke on 14:03 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
The article is accurate.
Your quote isn’t. He didn’t say what you claim. |
Well this is taken from the article, i'd assumed you read it though....
If we continue on this path of hardly winning football games, yes, I have no doubt it is (untenable).’
So did he say untenable or not, is the article accurate or not? I know you could argue he never said untenable and relegation in the same sentence, but it's what he meant because not winning games ended in relegation. It depends how pedantic you want to be. | |
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| Stoke on 15:00 - Aug 23 with 1083 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 14:58 - Aug 23 by swan65split |
Bring in the Res....hes all mouth and trooooosers, he seems to know it all along with someone else on here |
So again.. regardless of who is brought in, you just want him gone yes? | |
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| Stoke on 15:01 - Aug 23 with 1084 views | swan65split |
| Stoke on 15:00 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
So again.. regardless of who is brought in, you just want him gone yes? |
how simple do you want it YES! | | | |
| Stoke on 15:02 - Aug 23 with 1073 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 15:00 - Aug 23 by Catullus |
Well this is taken from the article, i'd assumed you read it though....
If we continue on this path of hardly winning football games, yes, I have no doubt it is (untenable).’
So did he say untenable or not, is the article accurate or not? I know you could argue he never said untenable and relegation in the same sentence, but it's what he meant because not winning games ended in relegation. It depends how pedantic you want to be. |
Eh?
So you understand he didn’t say it so have decided to take two sentences and cut and paste them to suit?
As I said, we are winning more than losing these days - or does that not count anymore, only counts between a set of dates you decide, giving an outcome you want? | |
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| Stoke on 15:05 - Aug 23 with 1065 views | E20Jack |
And that is my point proven in a nutshell.
Revenge is the desire. Regardless of impact on club.
The fans are in a worse state than the club. | |
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| Stoke on 15:06 - Aug 23 with 1068 views | swan65split |
| Stoke on 15:05 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
And that is my point proven in a nutshell.
Revenge is the desire. Regardless of impact on club.
The fans are in a worse state than the club. |
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