| Stoke 20:54 - Aug 22 with 19582 views | Magic_Michu |
They are really in a mess... spending millions gambling on going straight back up and looking like relegation fodder at the moment. |  |
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| Stoke on 10:44 - Aug 23 with 1318 views | E20Jack |
You don’t think we have one of the biggest budgets then? |  |
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| Stoke on 10:46 - Aug 23 with 1315 views | ItchySphincter |
| Stoke on 10:26 - Aug 23 by TheResurrection |
I think Potter is over the moon. He knew exactly what the remit was and why we brought him and his team in.
And he's going about his job doing just that, working to his remit.
He's building and rebuilding at the same time and what he sees in front of him every week probably makes him feel very proud |
This is really difficult because I agree again, but don't you get at least the littlest feeling that Potter was inclined to believe that he would have had a slightly bigger war chest? Maybe not, maybe he was told he could spend a percentage of what he could bring in and had the final say on what was an acceptable fee to accept for the outgoing players. I don't think he's been here long enough for that, and no other manager in the last few years has been given that kind of responsibility. Maybe having the likes of Dyer and Routledge around is causing him major problems, I don't know, it's a possibility.
But yes, he appears to be doing a very good job and he should be proud. He is also restoring a sense of pride to the fans. The recent disconnect has been sad. |  |
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| Stoke on 10:46 - Aug 23 with 1315 views | icecoldjack |
| Stoke on 21:35 - Aug 22 by MrSwerve |
And I'd have him back in our central midfield in a heartbeat.
Fantastic player. |
Exactly. Anyone who thinks Joe isn't top notch and wouldn't improve our no end is a bit daft. Make no mistakenly was a huge blunder not to sign him. |  | | |
| Stoke on 10:48 - Aug 23 with 1302 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 10:46 - Aug 23 by ItchySphincter |
This is really difficult because I agree again, but don't you get at least the littlest feeling that Potter was inclined to believe that he would have had a slightly bigger war chest? Maybe not, maybe he was told he could spend a percentage of what he could bring in and had the final say on what was an acceptable fee to accept for the outgoing players. I don't think he's been here long enough for that, and no other manager in the last few years has been given that kind of responsibility. Maybe having the likes of Dyer and Routledge around is causing him major problems, I don't know, it's a possibility.
But yes, he appears to be doing a very good job and he should be proud. He is also restoring a sense of pride to the fans. The recent disconnect has been sad. |
The pride he is restoring is being eaten away by the fans determined to look for every single negative to keep a narrative going that is incredibly corrosive.
That’s the only thing I would be disappointed in if I was Potter. | |
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| Stoke on 10:48 - Aug 23 with 1304 views | ItchySphincter |
| Stoke on 10:31 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
I have never said anything on here I do not truly believe.
Ever. |
I believe you believe 100% in what you say. That's why you present it as fact. | |
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| Stoke on 10:52 - Aug 23 with 1288 views | jack247 |
| Stoke on 10:12 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
As I said, amounts are irrelevant. It was clearly being suggested that the club were gambling their health on promotion. Something widely advocated on here.
You have since claimed that they are like Man City and their owners will absorb any risk. So not the problem it is wing painted as really.
Should we have spent like some wanted in here then the Stoke forum could however quite rightly have a thread on our reckless spending. Thankfully that isn’t the case as we have been very responsible with our clubs future. |
We haven’t been responsible with the clubs finances and now we are facing the consequences.
£15m on Clucas, £20m on Ayew, a massive loan fee for Sanches, Bonys wages, Mesa...that’s being utterly irresponsible with the clubs finances. That’s why we’ve got one striker for the foreseeable, a cebtre back with very little experience and only Harries as cover, why we have to sell or loan out everyone that had a value or cost significant wages.
If we were responsible with money we wouldn’t have had to slash costs quite so dramatically.
And I didn’t say Stoke were like Man City, I said both clubs were being bankrolled |  | | |
| Stoke on 10:53 - Aug 23 with 1283 views | jack247 |
| Stoke on 10:23 - Aug 23 by TheResurrection |
It will be a big problem for Stoke next year when they fall foul of FFP |
Well I’ll grant you that’s not something we are going to have to worry about | | | |
| Stoke on 10:54 - Aug 23 with 1280 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Stoke on 10:44 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
You don’t think we have one of the biggest budgets then? |
How do we have one of the budgets in the Championship? Seriously. |  | | |
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| Stoke on 10:55 - Aug 23 with 1272 views | ItchySphincter |
| Stoke on 10:48 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
The pride he is restoring is being eaten away by the fans determined to look for every single negative to keep a narrative going that is incredibly corrosive.
That’s the only thing I would be disappointed in if I was Potter. |
Well I don't agree with that bold statement.
PS isn't wholly representative of the fanbase. Believe it or not some people are just in it for the football. We have five ST's in our family and loads of my friends are fans but I'm the only one I know of that discuss this stuff on here.
HJ attempted to lay blame at the feet of the fans last year and you'e just done the same.
The only thing the fans have is their voice. | |
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| Stoke on 11:20 - Aug 23 with 1212 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Yet another post hijacked by the usual suspects.
Back to the OP, and Stoke lost again last night 3:0. | | | |
| Stoke on 11:28 - Aug 23 with 1195 views | thornabyswan |
Bony is reportedly on 100k a week over 5 million a year.
Championship clubs without parachute money have 6 million a year in Sky revenue incredible really.
So yes our wage bill is still high but the transfer budget this season was low 5.5 spent on fees against 47 million approx received.
Not knocking it because we needed to cut back but _41.5 million does not equate to one of the biggest budgets. | |
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| Stoke on 11:33 - Aug 23 with 1180 views | ItchySphincter |
| Stoke on 11:20 - Aug 23 by A_Fans_Dad |
Yet another post hijacked by the usual suspects.
Back to the OP, and Stoke lost again last night 3:0. |
We know Stoke lost.
Thank you for contributing eff-all. | |
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| Stoke on 11:41 - Aug 23 with 1164 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 10:54 - Aug 23 by 34dfgdf54 |
How do we have one of the budgets in the Championship? Seriously. |
So who has larger outgoings than us in the Championship?
Draw up a list. | |
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| Stoke on 11:47 - Aug 23 with 1151 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 10:52 - Aug 23 by jack247 |
We haven’t been responsible with the clubs finances and now we are facing the consequences.
£15m on Clucas, £20m on Ayew, a massive loan fee for Sanches, Bonys wages, Mesa...that’s being utterly irresponsible with the clubs finances. That’s why we’ve got one striker for the foreseeable, a cebtre back with very little experience and only Harries as cover, why we have to sell or loan out everyone that had a value or cost significant wages.
If we were responsible with money we wouldn’t have had to slash costs quite so dramatically.
And I didn’t say Stoke were like Man City, I said both clubs were being bankrolled |
But on one hand people are moaning about not being responsible (matter of severe debate) then they want us to be irresponsible by spending what we clearly cannot afford. Makes little sense.
There are lists as long as your arm at every club of signings that don’t work out. Even more so when you are down the bottom and options become narrower and narrower. The plan was clearly to hold most of the value in player assets, probably why we managed to stay up for so long, this was not an unexpected occurance, it was the relegation plan. Do you really think McBurnie was being primed for regular Premier League football?
So in short, if we were “responsible” with money or your version of what that is, you would probably still be moaning about relegation, but 3 years ago.
I don’t understand what your point is regarding Stoke then. Is it a problem for the club or not? You have likened the ownership model to Man City (your own example). | |
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| Stoke on 11:49 - Aug 23 with 1141 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 10:55 - Aug 23 by ItchySphincter |
Well I don't agree with that bold statement.
PS isn't wholly representative of the fanbase. Believe it or not some people are just in it for the football. We have five ST's in our family and loads of my friends are fans but I'm the only one I know of that discuss this stuff on here.
HJ attempted to lay blame at the feet of the fans last year and you'e just done the same.
The only thing the fans have is their voice. |
You don’t think that people are looking for negatives in every detail? Undermining our success by offsetting it against negativity elsewhere?
Well I am amazed if you truly think that then. The one eyes unbalanced views intended to continue a vendetta is palpable. | |
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| Stoke on 11:51 - Aug 23 with 1130 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 10:53 - Aug 23 by jack247 |
Well I’ll grant you that’s not something we are going to have to worry about |
You almost sound disappointed. [Post edited 23 Aug 2018 11:52]
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| Stoke on 12:03 - Aug 23 with 1095 views | Catullus |
I just watched the EFL highlights, looks to me like Allen and Williams are 5th columnistsdoing their best for the Swans!
As for our budget, we have 40 million parachute money, an estimated 10 million income during the season and whatever money raised from transfers Then we need to know what our wage bill is right now, none of us know much about that except that Bony is on around 5 million.
Without knowing the outgoings it's a diificult call but most people suspect we could have afforded Woods and a few loan signings. Our wage bill last season was 85% of income but 3/4 of those players are gone now. The other unknown is how much we know about outstanding transfer fees owed.
The bottom line is most people don't trust HJ anymore and many never trusted the Americans to start with, they are between a rock and a hard place. I'm willing to give the Yanks a chance but I want HJ to leave. I believe their biggest mistake was leaving him in position and purely because I felt he'd lost his mojo and had his head turned by money. | |
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| Stoke on 12:05 - Aug 23 with 1092 views | ItchySphincter |
| Stoke on 11:49 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
You don’t think that people are looking for negatives in every detail? Undermining our success by offsetting it against negativity elsewhere?
Well I am amazed if you truly think that then. The one eyes unbalanced views intended to continue a vendetta is palpable. |
You think that people that don't agree with your every detail are intentionally devise, without the best intentions of the club at heart?
You really believe that? | |
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| Stoke on 12:13 - Aug 23 with 1062 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 12:05 - Aug 23 by ItchySphincter |
You think that people that don't agree with your every detail are intentionally devise, without the best intentions of the club at heart?
You really believe that? |
I don’t understand the question in order to tell you if I believe it or not.
If you are asking me if I believe that people choose to be negative intentionally in order to push a narrative based on revenge as opposed to the actual situation, even if they know that their negativity could have an impact on the club - then yes absolutely. Not even in question.
In fact, I would bet that there are people within our very own Trust that would find it very hard to choose between the benefit of the club offset against revenge against the likes of Jenkins. | |
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| Stoke on 12:20 - Aug 23 with 1047 views | jack247 |
| Stoke on 11:51 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
You almost sound disappointed. [Post edited 23 Aug 2018 11:52]
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I ‘sound’ almost disappointed. Well you couldn’t have misinterpreted that much better | | | |
| Stoke on 12:23 - Aug 23 with 1038 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 12:20 - Aug 23 by jack247 |
I ‘sound’ almost disappointed. Well you couldn’t have misinterpreted that much better |
So you are glad we are cutting our cloth accordingly then?
Me too. | |
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| Stoke on 12:24 - Aug 23 with 1033 views | Catullus |
| Stoke on 12:13 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
I don’t understand the question in order to tell you if I believe it or not.
If you are asking me if I believe that people choose to be negative intentionally in order to push a narrative based on revenge as opposed to the actual situation, even if they know that their negativity could have an impact on the club - then yes absolutely. Not even in question.
In fact, I would bet that there are people within our very own Trust that would find it very hard to choose between the benefit of the club offset against revenge against the likes of Jenkins. |
From my perspective I want Jenkins gone but not for revenge, just because I think the club would be better off if he left. I also believe the huge majority of fans are right behind Potter and the players and are avoiding negativity during matches (at least whilst in play) but taking any opportunity to lambast the chairman and owners.
I see a lot of negativity towards HJ and the Americans online but isn't that the right place for it because, at the same time, most people are singing the teams praises, highlighting the effort, commitment and skill they display. | |
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| Stoke on 12:29 - Aug 23 with 1020 views | E20Jack |
| Stoke on 12:24 - Aug 23 by Catullus |
From my perspective I want Jenkins gone but not for revenge, just because I think the club would be better off if he left. I also believe the huge majority of fans are right behind Potter and the players and are avoiding negativity during matches (at least whilst in play) but taking any opportunity to lambast the chairman and owners.
I see a lot of negativity towards HJ and the Americans online but isn't that the right place for it because, at the same time, most people are singing the teams praises, highlighting the effort, commitment and skill they display. |
Better off in what way?
Many people disguise their vendetta as that but then don’t offer any realistic alternative to what the future may hold as a result of their wish.
Again, I think Pearlman would take control with an advisor. Possibly Landon Donovan. Who do you think the Americans would put in charge?
Then put that against the most successful chairman we have ever had who put all that you are excited about in place and tell me why Pearlman and Donovan - probably part of the consortium to appoint Bradley - and tell me why we would be better off?
To me it is a huge dose of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Deep down everyone knows we would be worse off but they want it anyway, because they feel hurt and betrayed and want to get one up in him regardless of what it takes or what it costs. It’s awfully sad to witness. [Post edited 23 Aug 2018 12:30]
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| Stoke on 12:36 - Aug 23 with 1001 views | jack247 |
| Stoke on 11:47 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
But on one hand people are moaning about not being responsible (matter of severe debate) then they want us to be irresponsible by spending what we clearly cannot afford. Makes little sense.
There are lists as long as your arm at every club of signings that don’t work out. Even more so when you are down the bottom and options become narrower and narrower. The plan was clearly to hold most of the value in player assets, probably why we managed to stay up for so long, this was not an unexpected occurance, it was the relegation plan. Do you really think McBurnie was being primed for regular Premier League football?
So in short, if we were “responsible” with money or your version of what that is, you would probably still be moaning about relegation, but 3 years ago.
I don’t understand what your point is regarding Stoke then. Is it a problem for the club or not? You have likened the ownership model to Man City (your own example). |
There aren’t lists as long as your arm of that many signings in a single season that misfired as badly as ours did at every club. It’s very rare, it’s spectacularly bad recruitment and the reason we went down.
Yes, I totally take your point that if we’d been run more prudently we would likely have been relegated sooner. I wouldn’t have said so at the time, but that would have been preferable to 3?seasons circling the drain followed by selling those assets off for a fraction of their cost.
At the moment, we’ve got a bright young manager playing great football with a paper thin squad. It’s not sustainable as it is, we are papering over the cracks.
If we ever go up again, I’d take a shorter stay and a smoother transition into the Championship over knowing we are going to go down eventually and when we do, we’ll be a complete mess. | | | |
| Stoke on 12:37 - Aug 23 with 997 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Stoke on 11:41 - Aug 23 by E20Jack |
So who has larger outgoings than us in the Championship?
Draw up a list. |
Wouldn't a budget indicate what money there is to spend?
Our outgoings have compensated for the drop in revenue from Premier League to Championship, it's not money readilly available. | | | |
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