| Is the lock down ending too soon? 04:59 - Jul 1 with 150507 views | Glyn1 |
That's basically it.
Thoughts please. [Post edited 1 Jul 2020 5:00]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:13 - Aug 14 with 1554 views | majorraglan |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 08:53 - Aug 14 by Scotia |
Don't forget at the time of opening pubs here there was no guidance as to how to socially distance in pubs. Guidance wasn't provided until after pubs had opened and had already been set out - I assume following guidance for pubs in England. That guidance is still far more vague than the English guidance. This guidance needed to be provided by WG in advance of August 3rd.
There is still no guidance for gyms.
Most of the increase in England seems to be down to multi generational living and work places. Although obviously some from pubs too - that is inevitiable. Just look at Aberdeen.
I would like to think that Johnson is acting on advice regarding cases not in the public domain. CONFIRMED cases are at a higher level - but testing level is considerably increased and targeted at areas where there have been outbreaks. Despite this the proportion of positive tests are still at about 0.6% in England. There are less people than ever being admitted to and treated in hospital - indicating a controlled situation.
Also most recent ONS data, which is based on very few positive cases, indicates a stable level in the community and the Kings College Zoe study (big caveats with this) indicates a fall of about 600 symptomatic cases a day over the last 2 weeks.
It is quite possible that virus levels in the community are at a lower level.
Edit - I think this is quite sensible from WG as it was extended home visits that seemed to cause many of the problems in NW England. [Post edited 14 Aug 2020 8:56]
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I think the WAG have now released guidance re gyms, from what I can understand it’s a maximum f 30 people in a room at any one time and the 2m social distancing requirement will still apply. Room needs to be well ventilated. |  | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:16 - Aug 14 with 1552 views | Kilkennyjack |
Drakeford doing what the professor does best ...... ðŸ†ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿
Less moving around means less virus spreading. Who would have fecking thought that 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |  |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:40 - Aug 14 with 1538 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:13 - Aug 14 by majorraglan |
I think the WAG have now released guidance re gyms, from what I can understand it’s a maximum f 30 people in a room at any one time and the 2m social distancing requirement will still apply. Room needs to be well ventilated. |
Almost better late than never, but it isn't.
I know can that there are gyms completely flouting this rule, operating above this capacity and have been for a week, is anyone now going to enforce it?
They've set up their arrangements in absence of guidance. WG have had months to prepare but failed. Yet again.
If there is a cluster in a gym or pub there is one man to blame. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 23:04 - Aug 14 with 1511 views | majorraglan |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:40 - Aug 14 by Scotia |
Almost better late than never, but it isn't.
I know can that there are gyms completely flouting this rule, operating above this capacity and have been for a week, is anyone now going to enforce it?
They've set up their arrangements in absence of guidance. WG have had months to prepare but failed. Yet again.
If there is a cluster in a gym or pub there is one man to blame. |
TBH I don’t know who is enforcing it, I’d have thought either the Council or Police but I am pretty sure the latter would say they already have enough on their plate.
Once the guidance is out there, if companies flout the rules I believe they should get a warning, if they don’t heed the warning then they get fined/ shut down or in the event of a new lock down no compensation. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:13 - Aug 15 with 1456 views | Andy1300 |
Meanwhile, in Manchester
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:13 - Aug 15 with 1436 views | Flashberryjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:13 - Aug 15 by Andy1300 |
Meanwhile, in Manchester
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That is f*cking crazy....if they were draped in the Union jack instead of the Pakistani flag the old bill would be wading in and arresting sharpish. |  |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:06 - Aug 15 with 1426 views | Andy1300 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:13 - Aug 15 by Flashberryjack |
That is f*cking crazy....if they were draped in the Union jack instead of the Pakistani flag the old bill would be wading in and arresting sharpish. |
Yep, nothing like pussyfooting around our brown friends.
They can’t even arrest them for kiddy fiddling unless pushed to do so. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:49 - Aug 15 with 1412 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:06 - Aug 15 by Andy1300 |
Yep, nothing like pussyfooting around our brown friends.
They can’t even arrest them for kiddy fiddling unless pushed to do so. |
You should be banned for that post. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:10 - Aug 15 with 1410 views | Catullus |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 19:49 - Aug 15 by Kilkennyjack |
You should be banned for that post. |
I don't like the way it was phrased but it's factually correct isn't it? The Asian grooming gangs got away with it for years and Police were found to have turned a blind eye, even when victims went to them,
http://timesofsweden.com/2020/02/03/british-police-afraid-of-racism-ignored-pedo
So as it's factually correct why does it deserve a ban? | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:29 - Aug 15 with 1403 views | Scotia |
Because it is racist. An absolutely disgusting post. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 20:33 - Aug 15 with 1402 views | Gwyn737 |
If the comment was directed towards particular grooming gangs then fair enough.
Identifying ‘our brown friends’ as an homogeneous group is not. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:56 - Aug 15 with 1361 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:16 - Aug 14 by Kilkennyjack |
Drakeford doing what the professor does best ...... ðŸ†ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿
Less moving around means less virus spreading. Who would have fecking thought that 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |
Yet Wales has a higher rate per 100,000 than any of the four nations since the outbreak began.
Wales 556 per 100,000
England 487 per 100,000
Scotland 353 per 100,000
NI 332 per 100,000 | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 22:06 - Aug 15 with 1378 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 21:56 - Aug 15 by felixstowe_jack |
Yet Wales has a higher rate per 100,000 than any of the four nations since the outbreak began.
Wales 556 per 100,000
England 487 per 100,000
Scotland 353 per 100,000
NI 332 per 100,000 |
And potentially a higher R number than anywhere in England except the North West.
Its hard to think how he could have done a worse job really. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 22:29 - Aug 15 with 1367 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 22:06 - Aug 15 by Scotia |
And potentially a higher R number than anywhere in England except the North West.
Its hard to think how he could have done a worse job really. |
With our cases so low even a very small increase in cases would up the R rate. The fact is England has for several months had many more cases than Wales. The fact you cannot accept this because of your hatred of Drakeford says everything about you rather than the facts. The figures of new cases for Wales for the last 7 days show 26, 12, 13, 8, 15, 18 and 27. A total on 119 new cases which is a uk equivalent 2469 just over 2 days of the figures for the UK.
You have been the one complaining that Drakeford should have been opening things like pubs and gyms earlier and that there was expected to be an increase because of it. If you get the expected increase the R rate will increase. That is something you have called for many times. You really are no position to criticise Drakeford for carrying out what you wished knowing it was going to increase the R rate. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 22:38 - Aug 15 with 1357 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 22:29 - Aug 15 by exhmrc1 |
With our cases so low even a very small increase in cases would up the R rate. The fact is England has for several months had many more cases than Wales. The fact you cannot accept this because of your hatred of Drakeford says everything about you rather than the facts. The figures of new cases for Wales for the last 7 days show 26, 12, 13, 8, 15, 18 and 27. A total on 119 new cases which is a uk equivalent 2469 just over 2 days of the figures for the UK.
You have been the one complaining that Drakeford should have been opening things like pubs and gyms earlier and that there was expected to be an increase because of it. If you get the expected increase the R rate will increase. That is something you have called for many times. You really are no position to criticise Drakeford for carrying out what you wished knowing it was going to increase the R rate. |
It's pretty obvious I'm not criticising him for releasing lock down. I'm pointing out the fact that keeping Wales in the tightest lock down in Europe at the time was completely pointless. Just look at Scotland and Northern Ireland, if that increase doesn't happen here it's down to luck and not Drakeford.
Cases are stable across England, the R is below 1, deaths are decreasing as are hospitalizations. Boris is a clown, but at the moment things are going pretty well for him. Let's hope it continues. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 23:24 - Aug 15 with 1345 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 22:38 - Aug 15 by Scotia |
It's pretty obvious I'm not criticising him for releasing lock down. I'm pointing out the fact that keeping Wales in the tightest lock down in Europe at the time was completely pointless. Just look at Scotland and Northern Ireland, if that increase doesn't happen here it's down to luck and not Drakeford.
Cases are stable across England, the R is below 1, deaths are decreasing as are hospitalizations. Boris is a clown, but at the moment things are going pretty well for him. Let's hope it continues. |
Actual Figures for Wales
119 cases in last week
8 Deaths of which 7 were in Betsi Cadwalladr Health Board.
20 hospital admissions in the week to 9/8/20 of which 13 were in Betsi Cadwalladr Health Board.
98 hospital in patients as of 9/8/20 of which 76 are in Betsi Cadwalladr Health Board.
0 in critical care as of 9/8/20.
As the cases in Wrexham are now subsiding all these will come down unless opening the pubs and gyms has a major impact.
However a relatively small increases in cases say 130 instead of 119 will cause quite a rise in the R rate. At the current level in Wales the R rate means very little.
Every local authority in Wales except Wrexham has a rate of under 10 cases per 100000 population. There are plenty in England well over that and Wreham's rate has come down and will fall further and will probably shortly be under 10 as well | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 23:28 - Aug 15 with 1339 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 23:24 - Aug 15 by exhmrc1 |
Actual Figures for Wales
119 cases in last week
8 Deaths of which 7 were in Betsi Cadwalladr Health Board.
20 hospital admissions in the week to 9/8/20 of which 13 were in Betsi Cadwalladr Health Board.
98 hospital in patients as of 9/8/20 of which 76 are in Betsi Cadwalladr Health Board.
0 in critical care as of 9/8/20.
As the cases in Wrexham are now subsiding all these will come down unless opening the pubs and gyms has a major impact.
However a relatively small increases in cases say 130 instead of 119 will cause quite a rise in the R rate. At the current level in Wales the R rate means very little.
Every local authority in Wales except Wrexham has a rate of under 10 cases per 100000 population. There are plenty in England well over that and Wreham's rate has come down and will fall further and will probably shortly be under 10 as well |
Here is an article today 29 areas on Public Health England's watch list. Speaks for itself
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12409982/hotspots-on-public-health-england-coronav
Another day with over 1000 cases today. So much for under control
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-lockdown-updates-coronavirus-live-22519
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 23:34 - Aug 15 with 1336 views | Scotia |
I have no idea what point you are trying to make?
That shows that the majority of England doesn't have a problem despite being out of lock down a month longer than Wales.
The 1000 plus cases are the entire UK. Not just England.
There has also been nearly 180000 tests, over 100000 more than in June. These are targeted to try and find the virus, so will find the virus.
England has a lower proportion of positive tests than Wales.
This is like groundhog day. [Post edited 15 Aug 2020 23:40]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 23:58 - Aug 15 with 1331 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 23:34 - Aug 15 by Scotia |
I have no idea what point you are trying to make?
That shows that the majority of England doesn't have a problem despite being out of lock down a month longer than Wales.
The 1000 plus cases are the entire UK. Not just England.
There has also been nearly 180000 tests, over 100000 more than in June. These are targeted to try and find the virus, so will find the virus.
England has a lower proportion of positive tests than Wales.
This is like groundhog day. [Post edited 15 Aug 2020 23:40]
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Yet more evidence all the places above 10 cases per 100000. Only 1 in Wales and that is 32nd and figure going down. Loads elsewhere and in Southern parts of England as well
Oldham 106.7 1082.6 2,567
Blackburn with Darwen 89.5 1106.9 1,657
Leicester 57.6 1514.9 5,366
Bradford 54.3 1045.2 5,642
Rochdale 44.1 920.8 2,048
Northamptonshire 43.0 532.2 4,009
Manchester 40.7 672.8 3,720
Calderdale 39.3 494.7 1,046
Swindon 38.7 482.0 1,071
NHS Grampian 34.3 305.1 1787
Kirklees 31.2 615.6 2,707
Salford 30.5 625.1 1,618
Tameside 30.5 780.6 1,768
Birmingham 28.5 503.6 5,750
Bolton 26.8 745.6 2,144
Luton 25.3 783.4 1,669
Stockport 24.5 644.5 1,891
Sandwell 24.4 614.1 2,017
Trafford 24.4 650.6 1,544
Bury 22.5 757.2 1,446
Antrim and Newtownabbey 22.5 356.8 509
Mid and East Antrim 21.6 349.9 485
Sheffield 20.9 764.8 4,473
Slough 20.7 482.1 721
Barnsley 20.3 837.3 2,067
Lancashire 19.9 627.7 7,656
Hounslow 18.4 442.7 1,202
Middlesbrough 18.4 730.6 1,030
Peterborough 17.8 755.0 1,527
Wakefield 17.8 567.3 1,976
Coventry 17.0 414.0 1,538
Newry, Mourne and Down 16.7 257.5 464
Wrexham 16.2 1009.9 1,373
Warrington 14.8 661.3 1,389
Rotherham 14.7 796.1 2,113
Lisburn and Castlereagh 14.5 384.4 558
Leeds 14.4 512.9 4,068
Stoke-on-Trent 13.7 608.5 1,560
Belfast 13.7 439.6 1,500
Redbridge 13.4 402.7 1,229
Cumbria 13.0 591.2 2,956
Wolverhampton 12.5 582.1 1,533
Hammersmith and Fulham 12.4 447.8 829
Walsall 11.9 561.9 1,604
Derby 11.3 532.8 1,371
Telford and Wrekin 11.1 365.3 657
Newcastle upon Tyne 10.9 527.1 1,596
Waltham Forest 10.8 396.4 1,098
Liverpool 10.6 537.9 2,679
Richmond upon Thames 10.6 293.9 582
Westminster 10.3 334.9 875
Hillingdon 10.1 391.4 1,201
Blackpool 10.0 770.2 1,074 | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 07:31 - Aug 16 with 1309 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 23:58 - Aug 15 by exhmrc1 |
Yet more evidence all the places above 10 cases per 100000. Only 1 in Wales and that is 32nd and figure going down. Loads elsewhere and in Southern parts of England as well
Oldham 106.7 1082.6 2,567
Blackburn with Darwen 89.5 1106.9 1,657
Leicester 57.6 1514.9 5,366
Bradford 54.3 1045.2 5,642
Rochdale 44.1 920.8 2,048
Northamptonshire 43.0 532.2 4,009
Manchester 40.7 672.8 3,720
Calderdale 39.3 494.7 1,046
Swindon 38.7 482.0 1,071
NHS Grampian 34.3 305.1 1787
Kirklees 31.2 615.6 2,707
Salford 30.5 625.1 1,618
Tameside 30.5 780.6 1,768
Birmingham 28.5 503.6 5,750
Bolton 26.8 745.6 2,144
Luton 25.3 783.4 1,669
Stockport 24.5 644.5 1,891
Sandwell 24.4 614.1 2,017
Trafford 24.4 650.6 1,544
Bury 22.5 757.2 1,446
Antrim and Newtownabbey 22.5 356.8 509
Mid and East Antrim 21.6 349.9 485
Sheffield 20.9 764.8 4,473
Slough 20.7 482.1 721
Barnsley 20.3 837.3 2,067
Lancashire 19.9 627.7 7,656
Hounslow 18.4 442.7 1,202
Middlesbrough 18.4 730.6 1,030
Peterborough 17.8 755.0 1,527
Wakefield 17.8 567.3 1,976
Coventry 17.0 414.0 1,538
Newry, Mourne and Down 16.7 257.5 464
Wrexham 16.2 1009.9 1,373
Warrington 14.8 661.3 1,389
Rotherham 14.7 796.1 2,113
Lisburn and Castlereagh 14.5 384.4 558
Leeds 14.4 512.9 4,068
Stoke-on-Trent 13.7 608.5 1,560
Belfast 13.7 439.6 1,500
Redbridge 13.4 402.7 1,229
Cumbria 13.0 591.2 2,956
Wolverhampton 12.5 582.1 1,533
Hammersmith and Fulham 12.4 447.8 829
Walsall 11.9 561.9 1,604
Derby 11.3 532.8 1,371
Telford and Wrekin 11.1 365.3 657
Newcastle upon Tyne 10.9 527.1 1,596
Waltham Forest 10.8 396.4 1,098
Liverpool 10.6 537.9 2,679
Richmond upon Thames 10.6 293.9 582
Westminster 10.3 334.9 875
Hillingdon 10.1 391.4 1,201
Blackpool 10.0 770.2 1,074 |
That proves that most of England - especially outside the North West and London is in a better position than parts of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Cheers. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:17 - Aug 16 with 1284 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 07:31 - Aug 16 by Scotia |
That proves that most of England - especially outside the North West and London is in a better position than parts of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Cheers. |
Quite how you can work that out only you can dream of.. Of all the cases with over 1o case per 100000 Wales has 1. England has 32 and this hasnt included all the cases with 9,8,7 and 6 that England has loads but Wales very few. Is Swindon in the North West. What about Northamptonshire. Telford.
Your claim that most of England is doing better than Wales beggars belief. Shame you cant base your opinions on facts. Is the reason for Northamptonshire having a high number of cases down to ethnics and large cities as you keep claiming.
The reality is that other than Wrexham there isnt currently a single Welsh Authority with over 10 cases.
It seems you follow Johnson's rubbish claims who now wants to get rid of Public Health England whose advice he doesnt like and replace it with a new body chaired by Dido Harding. You know the one who runs the failing Test, Trace and Protect and previously run the Cheltenham Racecourse which was left open when it should have ben closed. Oh and also ran Talk Talk when they had problems with customer records. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:56 - Aug 16 with 1278 views | exhmrc1 |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:17 - Aug 16 by exhmrc1 |
Quite how you can work that out only you can dream of.. Of all the cases with over 1o case per 100000 Wales has 1. England has 32 and this hasnt included all the cases with 9,8,7 and 6 that England has loads but Wales very few. Is Swindon in the North West. What about Northamptonshire. Telford.
Your claim that most of England is doing better than Wales beggars belief. Shame you cant base your opinions on facts. Is the reason for Northamptonshire having a high number of cases down to ethnics and large cities as you keep claiming.
The reality is that other than Wrexham there isnt currently a single Welsh Authority with over 10 cases.
It seems you follow Johnson's rubbish claims who now wants to get rid of Public Health England whose advice he doesnt like and replace it with a new body chaired by Dido Harding. You know the one who runs the failing Test, Trace and Protect and previously run the Cheltenham Racecourse which was left open when it should have ben closed. Oh and also ran Talk Talk when they had problems with customer records. |
You have shown how little you know about Englands Geography by moving places into the North West and London. Leicester, Northamptonshire, Swindon, Birmingham, Luton, Sandwell, Sheffield, Middlesboro, Peterborough, Wakefield, Coventry, Leeds, Wolverhampton, Walsall, Derby, Telford and Newcastle Upon Tyne cover the North East, Yorkshire, West Midlands, East Midlands and the South in addition to the North West and London. The actual Welsh average is 3 cases per 100000 population.
Other places with double that amount include Leicestershire, Nottinghamshire, Milton Keynes, Oxfordshire, Sunderland, Cambridgeshire and Bristol. [Post edited 16 Aug 2020 10:11]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 11:27 - Aug 16 with 1243 views | Scotia |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 09:17 - Aug 16 by exhmrc1 |
Quite how you can work that out only you can dream of.. Of all the cases with over 1o case per 100000 Wales has 1. England has 32 and this hasnt included all the cases with 9,8,7 and 6 that England has loads but Wales very few. Is Swindon in the North West. What about Northamptonshire. Telford.
Your claim that most of England is doing better than Wales beggars belief. Shame you cant base your opinions on facts. Is the reason for Northamptonshire having a high number of cases down to ethnics and large cities as you keep claiming.
The reality is that other than Wrexham there isnt currently a single Welsh Authority with over 10 cases.
It seems you follow Johnson's rubbish claims who now wants to get rid of Public Health England whose advice he doesnt like and replace it with a new body chaired by Dido Harding. You know the one who runs the failing Test, Trace and Protect and previously run the Cheltenham Racecourse which was left open when it should have ben closed. Oh and also ran Talk Talk when they had problems with customer records. |
Where have I claimed that most of England is doing better than Wales?
Once again you've cherry picked areas of infection and ignored great swathes of the country that are in a much better position. | | | |
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